<DocScrutinizer> ok, then you  need a *really* experienced fab, which knows their business to get it right without much fiddling and try&error
<DocScrutinizer> maybe even offers some guaranteed yield
<DocScrutinizer> (which they achieve by manual repair where needed)
<DocScrutinizer> I.E: a fab specialized on ultralow qty
<wpwrak> i think that's what they do, yes (small quantities)
<DocScrutinizer> you *might* be even better off with manual assembly
<wpwrak> they're in spain, not china ;)
<DocScrutinizer> hmm, then no manual asly
<wpwrak> ;-)
<wpwrak> maybe in a few years, after the european south's economy has been bombed back to medieval standards, ...
<DocScrutinizer> the Spanish are too expensive and not as myopic as the Chinese
<DocScrutinizer> duh, almost exactly my wording of a few hours ago
<DocScrutinizer> I actually said "Greece getting economy-bombed back into ~1920"
<DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-17 16:04:25] <DocScrutinizer> not all of a joke, when you look at Greece getting economy-bombed back to ~1920
<DocScrutinizer> they'll still miss that special chinese affinity to microscopic things
<DocScrutinizer> Spanish mentality is more like the russian "let's build everything like it was a tank"
<wpwrak> oh, the myopia will develop naturally - helps with finding food :)
<wpwrak> the russian approach isn't too bad, all things considered
<DocScrutinizer> sure, but incompatible to SMT
<wpwrak> nanotanks ;-)
<DocScrutinizer> LOL
<DocScrutinizer> me counters with "Ecranoplan"
<wpwrak> yeah, nice little vehicle ;-)
<wpwrak> "The Ecranoplane combines the two most dangerous phases of aviation, i.e takeoff and landing, into one continuous event, dispensing with the safe altitude phase completely."
<unclouded> hey xiangfu, could I please have a new project on projects.qi-hardware.com?
<xiangfu> as long as it's about copyleft hardware. :)
<unclouded> of course! :)
<xiangfu> what name you want?
<unclouded> man-tiny, please
<xiangfu> shot name
<xiangfu> ok
<xiangfu> unclouded: what is your username in projects.qi-hardware.com?
<xiangfu> oh it's 'unclouded' found it
<unclouded> that's right.  only just found it myself
<unclouded> great stuff.  thanks very much
<wpwrak> "... he was a tiny man, the girls said ..." ;-)
<unclouded> ;-)
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc: some initial test process documentation (still very incomplete) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/d0ab9d9
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/atusb: separated flashing from testing; added enumeration and ID test http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/32744af
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/Common (expect, expect_re): allow multiple arguments (for options) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c2163a6
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/flow.fig: draw feedback (information vs. physical items) dashed http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b9a3054
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/atnet.c (atnet_set_clkm): corrected return code (1 means success here) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/b24a189
<qi-bot> [commit] Neil Stockbridge: There is now a ( very simple) man page viewer that supports MANPATH http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e15a705
<qi-bot> [commit] Neil Stockbridge: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-packages http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/5d8d83a
<unclouded> I was having trouble with the busybox man, so that man-tiny package is a simple man page viewer that finds the man page ( supporting a MANPATH with many entries unlike the busybox one) and then hands off the rendering to mandoc ( already part of the release image) and less ( not more)
<unclouded> can we drop new .ipk files in to http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/ at any time or should they really be part of the latest release?
<xiangfu> unclouded: we can not just 'drop' it to that folder, there are a package list under that URL
<xiangfu> Packages.gz.
<xiangfu> we need update this Packages.gz. then opkg can found the new packages.
<unclouded> ah ok.  I forgot about that.  That's what opkg uses to decide which packages are available
<unclouded> presumably we'd rather not edit Packages.gz by hand for fear of making a mistake that renders the whole thing unusable?
<xiangfu> better using "make package/index"
<xiangfu> and also the packages better release with the images. then it will have same uClibc, Gcc etc. for less problem :)
<unclouded> that makes sense
<kyak> unclouded: for your problem with ../man3 you could use "UNPACK_CMD" in Makefile
<kyak> grep it in existing Makefiles, for exmaple
<kyak> PKG_UNPACK seems to work, too
<xiangfu> kyak: I saw your message about cronjob. will working on that after ~1 hours. I have to go offline for awhile, see you later.
<kyak> xiangfu: thanks :)
<xiangfu> kyak: thanks for feedback as always, (also the email) see you .
<kyak> xiangfu: always welcome!
<unclouded> kyak: thanks for the tip.  I'll have a go at fixing the package later on
<qi-bot> [commit] Neil Stockbridge: The libsdl-doc-man Makefile is now more elegant http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/62d7bcd
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: config.full_system: disable libxfce4util http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/9b8498d
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: stardict enalbe man page search http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c911cb2
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: config.full_system: disable libxfce4util http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cd2b5dc
<xiangfu> kyak: Hi what is the better way for 'jobs in sequence'?
<xiangfu> put while() in one script file ?
<kyak> xiangfu: something like that, yes :)
<xiangfu> kyak: buildhost get error on libxfce4util, I just disable. we don't need xfce in nanonote.
<kyak> yep, this xfce is in xfce feed, that should be disabled
<kyak> only leave qipackages, packages and desktop
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless feeds http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2a5cc31
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: feeds.conf: disable useless feeds http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a4a100c
<xiangfu> kyak: after the current full_system build finish, I will start this "compile-openwrt.sh" :)
<kyak> xiangfu: yeah, i think it's simple but effective :)
<kyak> then you need to run this cronjob only once..
<xiangfu> kyak: then I would like start it manually :)
<kyak> would it run well detached from terminal?
<kyak> also, you need to remember to run it after reboot :)
<kyak> i think a cron job on boot would be better
<xiangfu> oh. that make sense.
<unclouded> can I get some space on http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/ to host some .ipk files before they make it in to the release?
<xiangfu> kyak: about "files/ directory in build script"
<xiangfu> kyak: I only can make sure. the the "files/" is at very last.
<xiangfu> kyak: the "define Package/nanonote-data-files/postinst" is for install new nanonte-data-files. for example. it can overwrite the files we want.
<kyak> xiangfu: i see.. i just don't have this files/ symlink in my build dir and didn't run into any issues yet
<xiangfu> kyak: but for the build progress. I don't understand what is the order of  packages compile. so I just keep the 'files/' in openwrt root folder
<kyak> yo uare symlinking the same files you are copying later with nanonote-data-files
<xiangfu> kyak: oh. yes.
<xiangfu> seems all packages un 'qipackages' compiled at very last.
<xiangfu> also not many package overwrite '/etc/profile' ... :)
<xiangfu> s/un/under
<kyak> hm...
<xiangfu> kyak: one thing. I found 'opkg.conf' under target/xburst/base-files/ is overwrite by 'opkg' package. so I move it to 'files/'
<kyak> ok, so this is just the way for you to be double sure :)
<xiangfu> kyak: it's works fine before.
<kyak> ok, then i'll set up this symlink as well
<xiangfu> ping
<wolfspraul> xiangfu: you are there :-)
<xiangfu> kyak: yes. for double sure.
<kyak> fidelio seems to play ping timeout on xiangfu all the time :)
<xiangfu> kyak: I will test your wiki code after buildhost finish the 'trunk' images.  thanks again.
<kyak> np - hope it works for you :)
<kyak> i already gave up and waiting for ben-wpan release
<wpwrak> kyak: what have you given up on ?
<xiangfu> wpwrak: he mean given up on SDW-823 wifi card.
<kyak> wpwrak: yeah, that one
<kyak> not working for me, whatever i try
<wpwrak> kyak: yeah, i've been following that story here on IRC. tragic, tragic ...
<kyak> if it isn't tuxbrain himself!
<kyak> tuxbrain: hi :)
<tuxbrain> hi :)
<kyak> tuxbrain: can i order atben/usb soon? :)
<tuxbrain> yes :) no definitive date yet, I claiming for it
<kyak> have you decided the price already?
<tuxbrain> kyak I'm still calculating I will annouce once I make sure on the final date and costs
<kyak> ok, sure :)
<tuxbrain> I'm still pending to do the test with wpwrak's prototypes ... I have the feeling I arriving late to everywhere...
<DocScrutinizer> quite possibly the better alternative to c-ts sometimes: http://www.youtube.com/viralsilabs#p/u/0/QvrB8cufv80
<DocScrutinizer> silabs has some cute chips
<whitequark> can anyone who knows linux kernel internals point me to a best way of solving the task: wait for irq and then memcpy a lot of data
<whitequark> I'm thinking about tasklets, but not sure if it's the right tool
<GNUtoo|laptop> wait for an irq is to be done in an interupt handler
<GNUtoo|laptop> the interupt handler has to be devided in 2 part
<GNUtoo|laptop> bottom half and top half
<GNUtoo|laptop> you can learn about that here:
<GNUtoo|laptop> if I remember well the top half has to complete quickely
<GNUtoo|laptop> to ack the interrupt
<whitequark> GNUtoo|laptop: thanks for the link, I'll read it
<GNUtoo|laptop> and to schedule for a later run a task
<GNUtoo|laptop> that will memcpy your lot of data
<kristianpaul> copy where?
<kristianpaul> s/where/to
<whitequark> kristianpaul: from memory to memory, there is a memory-mapped device which appears as RAM block
<kristianpaul> hmm interesting
<kristianpaul> i never used memcpy before, but looks usefull
<kristianpaul> ramblock, oh
<kristianpaul> that sound familiar
<kristianpaul> whitequark: what platformit is?
<kristianpaul> platform*
<whitequark> kristianpaul: that's a HDTV webcam on AT91SAM9G, a russian opensource project
<kristianpaul> cool
<kristianpaul> hi heberth :-)
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: more fault analysis, mainly clock frequency http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e86997e
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/: new helper function for daemonification http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/43f179d
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-proxy/atrf-proxy.c: new option -b to background/daemonize http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/1bfe86a
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: added section separators; expanded setup section http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/f5b1693
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/dirtpan/dirtpan.c: new option -b to background/daemonize http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/81a8e13
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/index.html: split into one file per topic http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e11d7b1
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: adjusted heading level and section separators of topic pages http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/3d2bed5
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: prod/doc/: added up/prev/next links to topic pages http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/430a296
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-xmit/atrf-xmit.c (xfer_one, usage, main): new option -v (verbose) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/558017e
<Jay7> whitequark: hm... where can I read about that "russian opensource project"? :)