<unclouded>
does the latest NanoNote kernel still work with MMC cards? If I use the kernel from 2010-12-14 then it boots fine but if I use the 2011-02-23 kernel then it says "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
<xiangfu>
unclouded: 2011-03-23 will try to load '/boot/uImage' in first ext2/3 partition in Memcard.
<xiangfu>
also load rootfs at first ext2/3 partition
<xiangfu>
unclouded: let me find the Changlog.
<unclouded>
that's exactly what I'm trying.  rootfs in in ext2 in first ( and only) partition on the uSD card.  it boots find when /boot/uImage on the uSD card refer to the 2010-12-14 kernel but produces that error when /boot/uImage on the uSD card is 2011-02-23
<unclouded>
are the kernel configs for the two version available for comparison?
<xiangfu>
unclouded: hmm..
<xiangfu>
unclouded: yes. since you mentions this, we should keep that somewhere. thanks.
<unclouded>
xiangfu: you're welcome :)Â Â it definitely could come in handy in the future
<xiangfu>
unclouded: you are using 2011-02-23 kernel boot the 2010-12-14 rootfs?
<unclouded>
other way around
<unclouded>
2011 rootfs with 2010-12-14 kernel
<xiangfu>
unclouded: that maybe have problem. if gcc or uclibc changed,
<xiangfu>
the kernel module will not working, since there is a small update in kernel. update to .32.27 in 2011-02-23
<unclouded>
ok, I might have missed out some detail.  yesterday I did reflash-ben.sh, so NAND has 2011-02-23 u-boot, kernel and rootfs on NAND.  that all works.  today I unpacked the 2011-02-23 rootfs on uSD and put the 2011-02-23 kernel at /boot/uImage on the uSD.  that failed.  then I replaced /boot/uImage with the older kernel and now it boots
<unclouded>
so I don't think it's something I've stuffed up.  I think the 2011-02-23 kernel has some changes that mean it can't boot from MMC
<unclouded>
sorry if that's what you understood already and I'm repeating myself
<xiangfu>
unclouded: can you try this, put the 2011-02-23 kernel to Memcard:/boot/uImage, when poweron HOLD the [F1], see what happen
<unclouded>
ok, will try that right now
<unclouded>
looks like it does exactly the same thing
<unclouded>
i.e. when holding [F1] it tries to boot from MMC but says "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
<xiangfu>
unclouded: I will try that in my nanonote. see if I can reproduce the issue.
<Fusin>
bot is working on sundays??? isn't that forbiden?? 8)
<kyak>
Fusin: it depends on what religion qi-bot is professing :)
<kyak>
wpwrak: awesome video :)
<kyak>
with cool music, too!
<wpwrak>
kyak: thanks ;-)
<wpwrak>
kyak: what i like best about it is that all the video editing is done by a shell script. no more poking around in unstable gui programs. (well, melt is also quite fragile, but at least you don't care much if it segfaults on you ;-)
<unclouded>
could future release images please have CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_STRINGS switched off?  it prevents binutils from being installed without having to hack /usr/lib/opkg/info/busybox.list
<dvdk>
unclouded: maybe you should send a note to the mailinglist or file an entry with the issue tracker, so that your complaint isn't lost
<kristianpaul>
if not, you may want to follow a bit more :-)
<GNUtoo|laptop>
but I know that there is a vga bitbanged adaptor
<kristianpaul>
werner, give us susrprises all the time
<kristianpaul>
yup, that  more than bitbanged as it implement dma for the sdio controller now
<kristianpaul>
but yes, is other great project from wpwrak
<kyak>
i think werner is hiding a dozen of engineers in his basement
<kyak>
and makes them work for food
<xMff>
kyak: size is one consideration, conflicts the other if there are multiple providers of something
<kristianpaul>
kyak: thats a good deal :-)
<GNUtoo|laptop>
wow
<GNUtoo|laptop>
the video is very well made
<kristianpaul>
yeah
<GNUtoo|laptop>
loves the command explanations
<GNUtoo|laptop>
*commands
<kristianpaul>
I wonder to know how he sync the subtitles
<wpwrak>
kyak: naw, no food. they work for not getting flogged ;-)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: (subtitles) easy. first, i did the cuts. the original video has sequences that are too long, where i got the zoom wrong, or where i tried to re-focus. (focus is a problem - my camera doesn't get it right at this kind of distances)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: then i previewed the video and looked where i would put which text. melt, the command-line video editing utility, shows the frame number and lets you step back and forth.
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: so all i had to do was find the right frames and then add the frame number to the corresponding subtitle.
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: then i could watch it again to see if the timing looked right
<kyak>
wpwrak: i'm looking at melt right now, i don't find it any easy or obvious to use -\
<kyak>
besides, the version packaged in my distro seems buggy - it hangs when capturing from web camera
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: the hardest part was figuring out how to make melt do what i want. there's very little documentation, much of the examples don't work, the syntax is fragile, errors are usually silently ignored, and the underlying concepts aren't trivial. the best examples i found in the mlt sources, directory demo/
<wpwrak>
kyak: (easy to use) oh, only took me a bit more than a day of trying and googling before i got it to show subtitles in the right spot. afterwards, it was pretty easy ;-)
<kyak>
the whole concept of command-line video editor is a bit awkward :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: you cutted the video using?
<wpwrak>
kyak: preparing the demo, setting, light, and shooting the video took maybe 4-5 hours (i did a few tries until i had something that looked usable)
<kyak>
wpwrak: btw, where is the music from?
<wpwrak>
kyak: editing the video, once i had a way for doing it, took maybe the same amount of time. a lot of experimenting with how to best place the various texts, how long to show what, etc.
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: all the raw material (video and soundtrack) is available, so you can make your own cut ;-)
<wpwrak>
kyak: the music was the easiest part. i made it with my kaossilator. it has a few cheat modes where it does nearly all the work itself ;-)
<wpwrak>
kyak: (melt) it's very non-obvious ;-) but what i like is that i can control precisely what it does (well, once i've figured out how express wishes in a what that will be understood)
<kyak>
wpwrak: kaossilator - never even heard of such thing before
<wpwrak>
kyak: with gui-based tool, there's always that element of fuzziness, where you, say, have to place something by dragging. and the next item that should go in the same spot won't line up. or you have to go to the first, find the coordinates (if they are shown), write them down, then go to the second place, and align according to them.
<wpwrak>
kyak: and if you decide that all this should, say, be shifted a little, or maybe you want to tweak the color, you have to edit every single one again.
<kyak>
wpwrak: i'm almost sure gui video editors support scripting
<wpwrak>
kyak: (kaossilator) it's a kind of synthesizer. very simple, suitable for the musically inept, like me ;-) there are some youtube videos that show what it can do
<kyak>
wpwrak: eah, i've seen some pictures of this thing :)
<wpwrak>
kyak: (scripting) perhaps. but then, the only useful thing the gui editor would do is give me the general framework (that is, if it can save to a script) and with trying out new features. just putting elements on a screen and such takes only minutes anyway. so the gui would only help with tasks that are also simple in a script.
<xiangfu>
the 'opkg' using 'wget',  'wget' depends on 'libidn_1.18',
<xiangfu>
found the latest 'opkg' package have some depends problem
<kyak>
xiangfu: btw, i noticed that you use "rm -f files && ln -s feeds/qipackages/nanonote-files/data/qi_lb60/files/" in your build script on buildhost; but "nanonote-data-files" package already provides it, right?
<xiangfu>
the boot time is about ~17 secs.
<xiangfu>
kyak: sorry, what you mean?
<xiangfu>
kyak: seems only needs setup the 'files' once.
<xMff>
xiangfu: opkg issues?
<xMff>
xiangfu: autofail crap?
<xMff>
xiangfu: can you paste the relevant part? slow line here
<xiangfu>
xMff: compile fine. there are some error when running. :
<vladkorotnev>
and then what's better: Jlime or the original openWRT?
<vladkorotnev>
I don't want to build my own image, I can't wait for 6hrs for the build to finish D:
<kyak>
you don't need to build your own image in either case
<vladkorotnev>
kyak: I meant if I want some pachages that are not in wrt but in jlime or vice versa
<kristianpaul>
vladkorotnev: both jlime an owrt have interesting features, some people like something from here or there..
<kristianpaul>
so hard to tell, you should find it your self
<vladkorotnev>
kristianpaul: what comes preinstalled on the NN, is it in the image or uploaded by Qi employees by hand?
<kristianpaul>
openwrt
<kristianpaul>
by hand = from a micro-sd-like card
<kristianpaul>
wich is other method of flashing
<vladkorotnev>
kristianpaul: I mean gmu, gmenu2x, all the stuff. Will I be able just to use USB or uSD to reflash the NN and have it with all the same apps like just-out-of-the-box?
<kristianpaul>
there is a script for that too, you can check the wiki for more info about flashing alternatives
<vladkorotnev>
kristianpaul: reflash_ben.sh?
<kristianpaul>
yes
<akusoy>
Question: When i turn my computer on my Monitor stays on STAND-BY, multiple times it just turned on after 10-30min. What could  be wrong?
<kristianpaul>
humm... dunno, but i think people at #hardware channel could be more helpfull than us :-)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: we should change the channel topic to "the unhelpful hardware channel" ;-)
<Jay7>
no hardware help here :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: ;-)
<kristianpaul>
rejon_: hey !
<kristianpaul>
Are you good editing wikipedia, or know somebody ?
<kristianpaul>
anyway, i started the wikipedia article about the nanonote