2013-03-25 00:43
hsbt_away changed the topic of #ruby-core to: check the latest release candidate for 1.9.1 release ftp.ruby-lang.org:/home/yugui/ruby-1.9.1-r26021+1.tar.bz2
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hsbt >
Did you finished git-svn for svn.ruby-lang.org?
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hsbt >
I created git-svn repository
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hone >
actually gotta head out to dinner, but what did you need me to do?
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hone >
i still need to test it with zzak
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hsbt >
it is later ok.
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zzak: my first comment is
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_ko10 >
it is very hard to write announcement quality logs for each deve
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_ko10 >
dev-meeting
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_ko10 >
my proposal is:
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_ko10 >
write a log (dirty) in somewhere
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_ko10 >
announce news to link to this log
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_ko10 >
with short summary
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_ko10 >
i'm not sure news on ruby-lang.org is needed
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_ko10 >
but if you feel we need to do, i want to propose it
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_ko10 >
10:38 _ko10 > with short summary
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_ko10 >
== important decision, such as EOL discussion
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_ko10 >
if there are only small bug fixes, then no logs are need I feel for news.
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_ko10 >
basically, we file off-line discussion for each redmine ticket.
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zzak >
where to put "announce news to link to this log"?
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zzak >
what do you mean by "off-line discussion"?
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_ko10 >
10:44 zzak > where to put "announce news to link to this log"?
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_ko10 >
to ruby-lang.org
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_ko10 >
10:44 zzak > what do you mean by "off-line discussion"?
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_ko10 >
not on-line (ML, etc) discussion
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_ko10 >
> For example, discussions taking place during a business meeting are "online", while issues that do not concern all participants of the meeting should be "taken offline" — continued outside of the meeting.
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_ko10 >
offline discussion doesn't mean "meeting outside network"
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zzak >
so discussion should take place on redmine is what you mean?
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_ko10 >
actually, i don't care the place.
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_ko10 >
but i think we can maintain redmine.
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_ko10 >
this is my opinion
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_ko10 >
maybe others have other opinions
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_ko10 >
background is: if we do hard, we can't continue
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so i believe we need to take it easy
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zzak >
im not sure i understand
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zzak >
im willing to help make this easier
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zzak >
the reason i propose MeetingGuideline is because i want it to be easy for (non-attendee) committer and contributors to stay relevant
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zzak >
there should be some process
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zzak >
where do logs go?
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zzak >
where do summaries go?
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zzak >
should they be translated?
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_ko10 >
i understand
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_ko10 >
actually, if anyone else do such things completely, i don't care.
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_ko10 >
but maybe i need to do sometime if no one else want to do it
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_ko10 >
so i want to make it easy process as possible
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_ko10 >
tradeoff: readability <-> writing effort
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_ko10 >
as no-attendee, your proposal is great
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_ko10 >
BTW, as naruse-san says, EOL conclusion should announce independent article
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because it is more readalbe for users.
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zzak >
it should be in both, independent and summary (since it was apart of discussion)
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_ko10 >
i can agree
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zzak >
it should be the job of meeting organizer
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zzak >
just as i did last week
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_ko10 >
i can understand
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_ko10 >
i'm afraid nobody want to make meeting
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_ko10 >
if it is duty
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my opinion.
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_ko10 >
i like that organizer can choose how to announce logs
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_ko10 >
log is needed, of course.
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_ko10 >
non-attendee can help to announce as zzak propose
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zzak >
does announce include writing summary?
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_ko10 >
meeting at Jul,
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_ko10 >
(1) we summarize wiki page
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(2) we write logs in google docs
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(3) write discussion on each log ticket
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at least, i think only (1) and (3) is enough, I feel
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zzak >
can you specify whose responsibility for each task?
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zzak >
if 2 is optional, so should be location, ie: (2) we write logs (google docs or wiki preferred)
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i think responsibility of organizers
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_ko10 >
i understand everything perfect is ideal.
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zzak >
i like the idea of notetakers
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_ko10 >
write barrier
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zzak: good idea
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zzak >
having an assigned attendee to take notes of discussion
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_ko10 >
problem is, nobody want to do it :)
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zzak >
_ko10: i cant be everywhere :(
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yes, i know
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hone >
_ko10: hmm, we have notetakers for heroku meetings
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hone >
it works pretty well
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hone >
_ko10: why don't people want to take notes?
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hone: want to concentrate discussion
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_ko10 >
but i can doubt my opinion
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_ko10 >
others can do note.
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_ko10 >
note disucssion as best effort seems good for me.
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zzak >
_ko10: i think you make a good candidate for note taker
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zzak >
since you are not ruby user
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this is why i want to reduce duty :)
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_ko10 >
actually i do if nobody want
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hone >
i think steps towards transparency are good
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hone >
other people from core can help too
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_ko10 >
not transparent last Jul meeting?
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zzak >
all we need is 1-2 sentances per agenda item on conclusion, compiled (similar to each ticket update)
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zzak >
we dont need the full discussion
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zzak >
its good, but they are both in japanese
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we can improve this part
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_ko10 >
basically, at dev-meeting, we assign ticket for good person, and this person summrize discussion on redmine.
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_ko10 >
we have assigned
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we can balance load
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zzak >
i feel like anyone can take notes, its better if they're not involved in discussion
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zzak >
should the notes be written in japanese, we could have other contributors help translate (again their involvement can be limited)
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i understand
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zzak >
i would even consider taking on some of the translation effort, but my japanese needs help
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_ko10: i will write a draft for MeetingGuidelines soon
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zzak >
hsbt: do you think we can migrate the redmine stuff to github/ruby?
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next year i'd like to make a push to upgrade this stuff and improve the process
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someone just reported: "seems owZ(r4Hjgfeq+DpYhq3v isnt a very good password for redmine"
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"even my new 20-character password without any special characters won't work, despite having activated the account"
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we should upgrade rails and improve the registration/signin process (maybe using github/twitter/etc)
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