hsbt_away changed the topic of #ruby-core to: check the latest release candidate for 1.9.1 release ftp.ruby-lang.org:/home/yugui/ruby-1.9.1-r26021+1.tar.bz2
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<hsbt> hone: ping
<hone> hsbt: pong
<hsbt> Did you finished git-svn for svn.ruby-lang.org?
<hsbt> I created git-svn repository
<hone> actually gotta head out to dinner, but what did you need me to do?
<hone> i still need to test it with zzak
<hsbt> it is later ok.
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<_ko10> hi
<zzak> hi
<_ko10> zzak: my first comment is
<_ko10> it is very hard to write announcement quality logs for each deve
<_ko10> dev-meeting
<_ko10> my proposal is:
<_ko10> write a log (dirty) in somewhere
<_ko10> announce news to link to this log
<_ko10> with short summary
<_ko10> i'm not sure news on ruby-lang.org is needed
<_ko10> but if you feel we need to do, i want to propose it
<_ko10> 10:38 _ko10 > with short summary
<_ko10> == important decision, such as EOL discussion
<_ko10> if there are only small bug fixes, then no logs are need I feel for news.
<_ko10> basically, we file off-line discussion for each redmine ticket.
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<zzak> where to put "announce news to link to this log"?
<zzak> what do you mean by "off-line discussion"?
<zzak> _ko10: ^
<_ko10> 10:44 zzak > where to put "announce news to link to this log"?
<_ko10> to ruby-lang.org
<_ko10> 10:44 zzak > what do you mean by "off-line discussion"?
<_ko10> not on-line (ML, etc) discussion
<_ko10> > For example, discussions taking place during a business meeting are "online", while issues that do not concern all participants of the meeting should be "taken offline" — continued outside of the meeting.
<_ko10> I misusd.
<_ko10> offline discussion doesn't mean "meeting outside network"
<_ko10> sorry
<zzak> so discussion should take place on redmine is what you mean?
<_ko10> actually, i don't care the place.
<_ko10> but i think we can maintain redmine.
<_ko10> this is my opinion
<_ko10> maybe others have other opinions
<_ko10> background is: if we do hard, we can't continue
<_ko10> so i believe we need to take it easy
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<zzak> im not sure i understand
<zzak> im willing to help make this easier
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<zzak> the reason i propose MeetingGuideline is because i want it to be easy for (non-attendee) committer and contributors to stay relevant
<zzak> there should be some process
<zzak> where do logs go?
<zzak> where do summaries go?
<zzak> should they be translated?
<_ko10> i understand
<_ko10> actually, if anyone else do such things completely, i don't care.
<_ko10> but maybe i need to do sometime if no one else want to do it
<_ko10> so i want to make it easy process as possible
<_ko10> tradeoff: readability <-> writing effort
<_ko10> as no-attendee, your proposal is great
<_ko10> ----
<_ko10> BTW, as naruse-san says, EOL conclusion should announce independent article
<_ko10> because it is more readalbe for users.
<zzak> it should be in both, independent and summary (since it was apart of discussion)
<_ko10> i can agree
<zzak> it should be the job of meeting organizer
<zzak> just as i did last week
<_ko10> i can understand
<_ko10> i'm afraid nobody want to make meeting
<_ko10> if it is duty
<_ko10> my opinion.
<_ko10> i like that organizer can choose how to announce logs
<_ko10> log is needed, of course.
<_ko10> non-attendee can help to announce as zzak propose
<zzak> does announce include writing summary?
<_ko10> meeting at Jul,
<_ko10> (1) we summarize wiki page
<_ko10> (2) we write logs in google docs
<_ko10> (3) write discussion on each log ticket
<_ko10> at least, i think only (1) and (3) is enough, I feel
<zzak> can you specify whose responsibility for each task?
<zzak> if 2 is optional, so should be location, ie: (2) we write logs (google docs or wiki preferred)
<_ko10> i think responsibility of organizers
<_ko10> i understand everything perfect is ideal.
<zzak> i like the idea of notetakers
<hone> hsbt: back
<zzak> wb
<_ko10> write barrier
<_ko10> zzak: good idea
<zzak> having an assigned attendee to take notes of discussion
<_ko10> problem is, nobody want to do it :)
<hsbt> hone: hi
<zzak> _ko10: i cant be everywhere :(
<_ko10> yes, i know
<hone> _ko10: hmm, we have notetakers for heroku meetings
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<hone> it works pretty well
<hone> _ko10: why don't people want to take notes?
<_ko10> hone: want to concentrate discussion
<_ko10> but i can doubt my opinion
<_ko10> others can do note.
<_ko10> note disucssion as best effort seems good for me.
<zzak> _ko10: i think you make a good candidate for note taker
<zzak> since you are not ruby user
<_ko10> i make?
<zzak> you are ;)
<_ko10> i am?
<_ko10> good point
<_ko10> this is why i want to reduce duty :)
<_ko10> actually i do if nobody want
<hone> i think steps towards transparency are good
<_ko10> sure
<hone> other people from core can help too
<_ko10> not transparent last Jul meeting?
<zzak> all we need is 1-2 sentances per agenda item on conclusion, compiled (similar to each ticket update)
<zzak> we dont need the full discussion
<_ko10> last Aug.
<zzak> its good, but they are both in japanese
<_ko10> yes
<_ko10> we can improve this part
<_ko10> basically, at dev-meeting, we assign ticket for good person, and this person summrize discussion on redmine.
<_ko10> we have assigned
<_ko10> we can balance load
<zzak> i feel like anyone can take notes, its better if they're not involved in discussion
<zzak> should the notes be written in japanese, we could have other contributors help translate (again their involvement can be limited)
<_ko10> i understand
<zzak> i would even consider taking on some of the translation effort, but my japanese needs help
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<znz_jp> biff: [ruby-changes:32064] hsbt:r44143 (trunk): * lib/xmlrpc.rb: [DOC] fix typo. - http://mla.n-z.jp/?ruby-changes=32064
<zzak> _ko10: i will write a draft for MeetingGuidelines soon
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<znz_jp> biff: [ruby-changes:32065] tmm1:r44144 (trunk): gc.c: fix typo (RVALUE_OLDEGN_BITMAP -> RVALUE_OLDGEN_BITMAP) - http://mla.n-z.jp/?ruby-changes=32065
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<znz_jp> biff: [ruby-changes:32066] a_matsuda:r44145 (trunk): [DOC] Fix typo in docs/globals.rdoc by @dvsuresh [Fixes GH-474] - http://mla.n-z.jp/?ruby-changes=32066
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<znz_jp> biff: [ruby-changes:32069] a_matsuda:r44148 (trunk): * doc/contributing.rdoc: [DOC] Fix typo in comments by @dvsuresh [Fixes GH-475] - http://mla.n-z.jp/?ruby-changes=32069
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<zzak> hsbt: do you think we can migrate the redmine stuff to github/ruby?
<zzak> next year i'd like to make a push to upgrade this stuff and improve the process
<zzak> someone just reported: "seems owZ(r4Hjgfeq+DpYhq3v isnt a very good password for redmine"
<zzak> "even my new 20-character password without any special characters won't work, despite having activated the account"
<zzak> we should upgrade rails and improve the registration/signin process (maybe using github/twitter/etc)
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<znz_jp> biff: [ruby-changes:32071] nagachika:r44150 (ruby_2_0_0): merge revision(s) 39722: [Backport #9178] - http://mla.n-z.jp/?ruby-changes=32071
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<znz_jp> biff: [ruby-changes:32074] svn:r44154 (trunk): * 2013-12-13 - http://mla.n-z.jp/?ruby-changes=32074
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<znz_jp> biff: [ruby-changes:32076] mrkn:r44155 (trunk): Append [Bug #7458] in the previous Changelog entry - http://mla.n-z.jp/?ruby-changes=32076
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