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<narya> banisterfiend: why isn't "X.instance_methods" updated accordingly when I append more methods? I tested the same thing in irb and it works as expected
<narya> bug or something one should understand about it?
<banisterfiend> narya: i don't believe it isn't :)
<banisterfiend> narya: can you show a gist proving that?
<narya> ah, gist and not pastebin. hold on
<narya> ok now this is freakish, of course it worked now. I have to check wtf I did last time
<banisterfiend> narya: btw, use ls instead of X.instance_methods
<narya> cause my old module is still buggy. It has both methods working, but not listed. But I can't seem to repsoruce it
<banisterfiend> narya: ls -M X
<narya> <3
<banisterfiend> narya: type: ls -h
<banisterfiend> for more info
<narya> that shit was long to write
<narya> instead of dir(object)
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<narya> .. now I feel stupid.
<narya> I am so used to the whole self.y shit
<narya> : )
<narya> no wonder the new ones didn't show up
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<zenspider> gah. need heroku help if someone has some cycles
<zenspider> n/m. help == use my wireless stick, not cafe's
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<zenspider> wow. it is DEAD here :(
<fowl> im zenspider and i base my facial emotions on #ruby-lang 's activity
<Aria> It really is.
<zenspider> Aria: long time no talk... how goes?
<Aria> It's good!
<zenspider> im fowl and I'm simply annoying
<Aria> Aw.
<Aria> Too much holiday?
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<zenspider> Aria: good good. did you happen to make it to rubyconf this year? it was in your neck of the woods, no?
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<Aria> I didn't, sadly.
<Aria> And actually, I'm in Boston at the moment.
<Aria> Business upsets drove me out of the rural hinterlands, so I ditched Colorado for the time being.
<zenspider> boston? wow. that's a tad different
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<Aria> Yeah, though in some ways not.
<Aria> Still walkable.
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<zenspider> Aria: where were you in Colorado again? I have yet to find anything in Denver "walkable". TBH, I've wanted to nuke that city from orbit every time I go there
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<mhall> LOL, America, where the towns want to nuke the cities, and the cities want to nuke the towns, and same with the Red and the Blue, etc. etc. :)
<Aria> Ridgway, CO
<Aria> Deep rural
<Aria> Denver is no fun unless you stay right downtown
<Aria> Even then, ew
<mhall> LOL, I've been through Ridgway
<Aria> Really?
<Aria> Such a tiny place
<mhall> Yeah, part of my family is from GJ
<mhall> My dad went to HS there, then to USAFA and CU
<Aria> Oh fun.
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<mhall> It's along a decent route to 4 Corners, and we had a friend with a homestead near there
<mhall> I guess you had a remote job FTW?
<mhall> I wouldn't mind one someday but I worry about stability because I have to have insurance for my chronic disease. :(
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<zenspider> too many acronyms
<mhall> @zenspider.brain.conversation_context.merge(current_context)
<mhall> should fix it
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<Aria> I actually ran an ISP and consultancy.
<Aria> Mostly local.
<zenspider> what are you doing in boston?
<Aria> Working for a gay dating site.
<Aria> PHP (gak) and Node.js (yay)
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<mhall> I had one friend who ended up working at an adult hosting company without knowing it
<mhall> He was quite surprised the first day of work
<mhall> When he figured out what servers he was going to manage
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<zenspider> Aria: nice. which one?
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<zzak> my talk got accepted for newhavenrb in february :D
<Aria> zenspider: Manhunt.
<Aria> ("dating")
<Aria> Heh, yeah. We have a few big clues we leave for people interviewing.
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<mhall> The name should be a good hint
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<telemachus> zzak: grats
<mhall> In this case they didn't go into any of the details
<Aria> Well, the company name is more benign.
<mhall> Oddly enough he didn't mind once he got used to it
<Aria> Yeah, it's not really about the content.
<mhall> And developed a good collection of test accounts and external disks and rsync skills ;)
<telemachus> Aria: I'll bite - what is the company's name?
<Aria> Online Buddies, Inc.
<mhall> After a while, the normal stuff got boring, so then they collected bloopers and outtakes, hehe
<Aria> Heh.
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<zzak> telemachus: thank you
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<ggreer> aww, rmagick gem is broken with imagemagick 6.8 or later :/
<ggreer> yes I know it's really old
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<charliesome> is there any reason why cross compiling ruby would result in [#<Encoding:ASCII-8BIT>, #<Encoding:UTF-8>, #<Encoding:US-ASCII>] being the only known encodings?
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<heftig> charliesome: no iconv
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<charliesome> does ruby rely on iconv?
<charliesome> i wasn't aware of that
<charliesome> i thought it had its own encoding stuff
<heftig> for utf-8 only
<charliesome> hm
<charliesome> heftig: i don't think it's that, i just tried compiling a sample program that uses iconv in my cross compilation environment and it worked
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<heftig> charliesome: right, i was mistaken
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<heftig> oniguruma has its own conversion engine, the transcoder (econv)
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<charliesome> got any other thoughts? i'm pretty stuck here :|
<dorao> I'm looking to upload files to s3 using ruby. what library is popular? aws-sdk?
<rking> charliesome: Does it rely on the system locales?
<rking> E.g. is locale -a showing that exact same list?
<charliesome> i believe ruby only looks at the system locale to determine source file encoding
<charliesome> # locale -a
<charliesome> -sh: locale: command not found
<charliesome> hehe
<heftig> charliesome: not even that
<heftig> source file encoding is US-ASCII by default
<charliesome> it does *something* based on LANG like that
<charliesome> but not much
<heftig> the default external encoding
<charliesome> ah
<charliesome> close enough :p
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<dorao> does anybody here use AWS ?
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<badeball> dorao: i havn't used s3 with ruby, but it is my understanding that you have two (real?) options: aws-sdk and aws-s3.
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<badeball> (name of two gems, both on RubyGems)
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<dorao> I'm having an issue with writing a file to my bucket; I get an NetworkError which is odd
<dorao> within the same scipt, I'm able to download files from s3, and using s3cmd, I'm able to upload
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<dorao> *shrug*
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<dorao> I guess I can always call s3cmd
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<charliesome> oh what the fuck
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<charliesome> heftig: so it turns out that ruby didn't compile the encoding bundles for the right architecture
<heftig> ow
<charliesome> either i'm doing it wrong, or ruby sucks at being cross compiled
<heftig> it's probably not tested well
<charliesome> cross compilating is an edge case i guess
<charliesome> compilation*
<charliesome> yay all the encodings are loaded properly now
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<andrewvos> Umm does anyone use Prompt.app on ipad? It doesn't have a pgup or pgdown button :/
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<dorao> hello. I have a tempfile question
<andrewvos> dorao: yay!
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<dorao> if I externally run gunzip, will tempfile complain (it removes 'gz')
<andrewvos> Will it not be a different file dorao?
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<dorao> hmm
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<dorao> I guess I should just use a regular file
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<dorao> (and just use pid in the filename)
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<dorao> woop works like a charm
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<dorao> yay! done!
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<rue> Morning everywhere
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: any release plans for the next furnace version?
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<injekt> darix: what's \a? /\afoo\z/ =~ "foo" #=> nil (that's why I used \A I wasn't aware of an \a)
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<injekt> \a is a bell character :D
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<Paradox> injekt, \a is the start of a string in regex
<Paradox> not the start of a line
<Paradox> the start of a string
<Paradox> no
<Paradox> wait
<Paradox> thats \A
<Paradox> no clue what \a is, probably a bell
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<injekt> Paradox: so exactly what i just said eh? :P
<Paradox> injekt, yop
<Paradox> its been a long day
<Paradox> i've had to deal with the worst monster ever to exist in programming
<Paradox> banking apis
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<gnufied> bell bell
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<erikh> sup bros
<erikh> broheims
<erikh> bronies
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<gnufied> good good. I have been hacking around on a single page app. DOM is a b***h
<erikh> I just really came to say that walter white is the best rails developer ever
<gnufied> who the heck is walter white?
<yorickpeterse> What is a walter?
<erikh> walt is a whater?
<ddfreyne> waltz with waltzer!
<antbody> How much does it cost and can you eat it?
<gnufied> is it tasty?
<gnufied> and more importantly, stay off IRC while you are drunk
<erikh> not very expensive supposedly, and I believe a common way to eat it is to rub it against your teeth
<erikh> I forget this is the european crowd at this hour; have any of you seen "Breaking Bad"?
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<RyanScottLewis> Yesh
<RyanScottLewis> Very much
<Paradox> erikh, walt shoots mike
<RyanScottLewis> =0
<Paradox> in an old western shootout
<erikh> I haven't actually watched any of s4 yet
<erikh> or beyond. too busy making noise with vim
<Paradox> and they get cowboy hats
<erikh> cool. do they have a rap interlude in the middle of the show?
<Paradox> yup
<Paradox> with 90s will smith
<erikh> hot damn you get all my jokes. will you marry me?
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<RyanScottLewis> Methheads just don't understand.
<seoaqua> hi guys, i got a problem, how to parse hosts with "_",pls? /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/uri/generic.rb:213:in `initialize': the scheme http does not accept registry part: 79660556199_qyzone.groups.tianya.cn (or bad hostname?) (URI::InvalidURIError)
<RyanScottLewis> gem Uniform_resource_identifier >_>
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<charliesome> seoaqua: is _ even valid in hostnames?
<ddfreyne> seoaqua: What is the full URL that you are trying to parse?
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<RyanScottLewis> Thats a subdomain
<RyanScottLewis> and yes
<RyanScottLewis> The prob is he omitted "http://"
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<seoaqua> charliesome, not really, but they just use it and browsers accepts it
<gnufied> URI.parse fails to parse many valid URIs
<RyanScottLewis> Thats why I HATE the URI library >_<
<ddfreyne> seoaqua: _ is not valid in hostnames anyway
<gnufied> ddfreyne: I think he did not mean hostname
<RyanScottLewis> Some /valid/ URIs refuse to be parsed because it doesn't conform to the old RFC
<seoaqua> ddfreyne, i know, but i have to parse them, e.g. ' http://sub_domain.domain.com/xx/yy/zz.html'
<RyanScottLewis> Thats why I made the uniform_resource_identifier gem
<RyanScottLewis> It doesnt fail, just splits
<seoaqua> RyanScottLewis, ok i'll try and talk to you guys in one minute :)
<seoaqua> RyanScottLewis, thanks so much
<RyanScottLewis> I should really update that gem.. no dang time though
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<erikh> underscores aren't legal in hostnames
<RyanScottLewis> Yeah, hostnames.. but third-level domains?
<RyanScottLewis> That's totally valid
<erikh> eh?
<erikh> care to cite a working example?
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<RyanScottLewis> ryan_scott_lewis.lewis-family.org
<erikh> yeah, not workin' here.
<RyanScottLewis> Don't make me read through the RFC =<
<RyanScottLewis> If it's not valid, then the URI hex replacement thingy would
<erikh> mmno
<erikh> that happens before resolution and isn't allowed in the host part of a URI anyhow
<yorickpeterse> Pretty sure you can't have underscores in hostnames
<RyanScottLewis> What?
<erikh> you might be able to fake it out with punycode, but I sincerely doubt it
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<RyanScottLewis> I mean that stupid thing where you could do %95 instead of "_"
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<erikh> yes
<RyanScottLewis> Gotcha, we're on the same page =p
<erikh> think about it for a second. let's say you could do it in the host part of the uri
<erikh> http://%20spaces.org/
<erikh> that would be evaluated to ' spaces.org'
<erikh> then dns lookup would occur, because DNS doesn't really give a shit about URIs at all.
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<erikh> there is a spec for encoding non-latin1 characters in domain names, called punycode.
<gnufied> hmm, I had different problem where URI lib failed me
<gnufied> http://s7d4.scene7.com/is/image/roomandboard/?src=ir{roomandboardrender/sanna_chr_20?obj=main&sharp=1&src=rpt_cambridgegrey&illum=0&obj=material&src=drape_material_cc}&$truvu0$&wid=307
<RyanScottLewis> ^ That answer seems pretty definitive
<yorickpeterse> TIL
<erikh> you might want to read the part where it differentiates hostnames (A records) and domain names
<RyanScottLewis> =D I could have sword that I did it before, thats why
<RyanScottLewis> s/sword/sworn
<erikh> those underscore records are examples of what normally consitutes a SRV record
<erikh> and usually aren't resolvable outside of that.
<RyanScottLewis> Honestly, I really don't care *shrug*
<RyanScottLewis> I'm being foreced to work in PHP so my mind is elsewhere >_<
<erikh> probably should have said that before you spent the last 20 minutes arguing about it
<erikh> :P
<RyanScottLewis> True =p
<erikh> anyhow, now we all know! yay.
<RyanScottLewis> w00t!
<seoaqua> RyanScottLewis, dude, your github project has been removed? and i don't understand the manual:S
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<RyanScottLewis> Oh sorry mate I changed my username
<RyanScottLewis> github.com/RyanScottLewis/blah_blah_blah
<seoaqua> haha thanks
<RyanScottLewis> It just splits the URI string into an object that has helper methods for extracting different parts of the URI, like the top-level domain, the hostname, scheme, etc..
<erikh> gnufied: fwiw, ruby's URI encoder implements one spec, and there's another, more modern spec that some web services use
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<erikh> (AWS's API needs it, for example)
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<RyanScottLewis> it'll also use PublicSuffixList to make sure it can parse the complicated TLDs like co.jp
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<erikh> basically the difference involves in what characters have to be encoded
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<gnufied> it is somewhat crazy. I think dragonfly was once generating base64 encoded urls, which were being rejected by URI lib
<erikh> gnufied: did they have the spec-defined newline in them?
<erikh> common gotcha
<erikh> I want to say it's at 72 characters, but I'd have to read up.
<erikh> (throw back from email)
<gnufied> I need to look. it happend awhile ago
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<gnufied> I don't know, how sane is what they are doing (dragonfly)
<gnufied> say, you have a s3 path like: "/foo/bar/baz.jpg"
<erikh> which dragonfly is this?
<erikh> I know there's a dragonfly for openstack and there (used to? still is?) dragonflybsd
<gnufied> the ruby gem, sorry
<erikh> mmm
<erikh> "use this gem to really piss off your ops team"
<erikh> "why are the app servers out of memory?"
<RyanScottLewis> XD
<gnufied> it took me awhile to figure out what is happening. but they base 64 encode each part and when you access that resource back, the rack app - decodes those base64 parts and puts them back together
<erikh> it's not a bad idea I guess -- probably ok for small things.
<gnufied> base64*
<erikh> why? what's the reason
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<RyanScottLewis> I have to make pretty much an ActiveModel clone in PHP >_< Boy, I hate this language.
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<yorickpeterse> hahahah
<gnufied> erikh: I have no idea, I suspect a GUID'sh uri, that is all
<yorickpeterse> I got 99 problems but PHP aint one
<RyanScottLewis> yorickpeterse: I used to think the same thing =<
<gnufied> ^ thats what they use to serialize uris
* erikh blinks
<erikh> yeah
<erikh> run away
<RyanScottLewis> gnufied: Why?
<RyanScottLewis> Oh sorry, didn't see your last comment
<yorickpeterse> RyanScottLewis: I've more or less made an oath not to write a single line of PHP anymore
<erikh> that's gotta tear the garbage collector a new asshole for any significantly-sized image
<gnufied> RyanScottLewis: like I said, no idea. wasn't it considered a good practice to server static image directly from front end web server?
<RyanScottLewis> yorickpeterse: Honestly, it's a bit refreshing to get out of the same old swing of things.. bringing Ruby concepts into PHP
<gnufied> why will I want a rack app to server my static images
<gnufied> (i know sometimes there is a reason)
<yorickpeterse> RyanScottLewis: I'd rather hang myself
<gnufied> I don't like this trend!
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<RyanScottLewis> XD
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<erikh> generally you want to keep any kind of static asset completely off your app server
<RyanScottLewis> Well, right now PHP is paying better than Ruby for me right now so this is where I'm at =<
<erikh> (if you can)
<antbody> Got the best christmas present when the company I work for started to port all legacy apps from PHP to RoR.
<antbody> True nerd tears right there.
<RyanScottLewis> =p
<antbody> And this was legacy to the max.
<injekt> heh, whilst I'm moving more stuff away from ruby :)
<antbody> Like if $var = "1" $var = 1
<gnufied> worst yet. in case of dragonfly, the request hits your rack first and then dragonfly deserializes the url, computes S3 bucket, fetches the image from bucket and returns it
<gnufied> rack app(
<erikh> yeah
<erikh> that's sloooow
<RyanScottLewis> injekt: Moving from Ruby to what?
<erikh> I had a nginx serving straight from the filesystem, which was presented with s3fs
<erikh> still too slow
<erikh> injekt: heading there myself for non-chef stuff.
<erikh> but you already know that I think.
<injekt> RyanScottLewis: well, our work apps are written in ruby, but the api is written in Go
<injekt> erikh: :)
<yorickpeterse> Ah, you're a Go hipster now
<erikh> just when I think the ghetto can't get any worse, someone from the rubinius team has to start talking
<gnufied> lol
<injekt> yorickpeterse: looks that way, I work in a lot of languages and go fits in well for what i'm doing
<injekt> it probably wont ever be used for the main app because in that case, i don't think it'll fit so well
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<RyanScottLewis> I've dedicated myself to learning C better and learning the internals of MRuby. I'm sick of learning other peoples programming languages and have an internal need to create my own... It's tearing me apart.
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<RyanScottLewis> But, I suck at C and they mock me in the C channel =<
<yorickpeterse> So you're building yourself a slightly less round wheel?
<RyanScottLewis> A very small octagon, if you will
<gnufied> RyanScottLewis: C channel needs thick skin. it is only next to #scala
<injekt> fuck #scala those assholes are pretty much the reason I stopped writing it
<RyanScottLewis> gnufied: Too true, they really /really/ look down on newcomers to the language O_o
<antbody> scala *shivers*
<ddfreyne> #go-nuts is cool ;)
<injekt> :P
<injekt> it actually really is, people in there are super cool
<gnufied> good to hear.
<RyanScottLewis> Did the creator of Go realize that there was already a programming language with the same name?
<RyanScottLewis> Or does Google just not give a fuck
<injekt> The latter, of course
<ddfreyne> RyanScottLewis: it is Go vs Go! (exclamation mark)
<injekt> :D
<ddfreyne> But yeah probably the latter :)
<RyanScottLewis> Gee, I wonder which one has more results in a Google search
<RyanScottLewis> Haha
<injekt> meh, the name of the language frankly sucks
<ddfreyne> injekt: I agree
<injekt> but I really enjoy writing it
<ddfreyne> I wish I had more Go projects
<ddfreyne> I wrote a Go app at my Smalltalk company, but I'm sure nobody wants to touch it :D
<injekt> I have a lot of Go work, but it's all closed sauce
<erikh> RyanScottLewis: just a small pro tip -- unless you're zhivago, you're getting mocked in the C channel
<erikh> brian fuckin' kernighan could go in there and get mocked.
<injekt> lol
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: https://github.com/opal/opal/blob/master/lib/opal/lexer.rb wtf, y/y? Discuss!
<yorickpeterse> Getting real tired of all these motherfucking ruby parsers on my motherfucking plain
<erikh> there is a lot to learn if you idle, though.
<yorickpeterse> * plane
<injekt> too many ruby parsers
<injekt> just like there's too many option parsers, who the hell keeps writing that shit
<RyanScottLewis> I'm a bit confused as to why that's a bad thing
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<erikh> I think he was joking.
<gnufied> given inject has written bunch of option parsers himself
<gnufied> :-)
<RyanScottLewis> No I meant @yorickpeterse
<injekt> who is this inject fellow you speak of
<RyanScottLewis> Sounds like a junkie
<erikh> injekt: just some dork -- he doesn't know how to spell it like a l33t hax0r
<yorickpeterse> It's not a bad thing per se, just that there are plenty of capable parsers out there already
<injekt> erikh: i kno rite
<erikh> also inc jet really doesn't have the same ring to it
<yorickpeterse> If you don't care for portability, use Ripper. If you don't care for columns use ruby_parser
<injekt> erikh: :D
<gnufied> injekt: :-)
<RyanScottLewis> yorickpeterse: Everyone needs their 15 minutes of fame
<rue> Jet Ink Inc
<yorickpeterse> You can probably write the thing in 1/3rd of the code
* yorickpeterse brushes neckbeard
<rue> Inkjet Jet Ink Inc
<RyanScottLewis> That code will still probably get that guy a killer job
<injekt> You know what's fucked up? when s3 doesn't auto set a cache-control on assets, and you forget to do it..
<injekt> so you traverse over 40k assets and have to update their meta data
<erikh> RyanScottLewis: thank you for identifying everything wrong with today's software industry
<RyanScottLewis> No problem! =)
<erikh> injekt: oh, at $job we had to expire some media very, uh, quickly
<erikh> cloudfront
<injekt> ugh
<erikh> not a fun experience
<injekt> shit like that makes me want to puch a baby dolphin
<erikh> there are other CDNs that don't have this problem
<erikh> you get what you pay for
<injekt> I avoided cf but the website really needs something better for managing content distribution
<erikh> cloudfront is not really that great performance-wise, either
<injekt> I try and avoid crap like that, but unfortunately it's hard when i'm the only server-ish guy at work
<erikh> fast.ly might be worth it depending on your needs
<injekt> for example, i spent most of the day (a couple weeks ago) trying to figure out why the linkedin sharing widget wouldn't scrape our website
<injekt> interesting, will check it out cheers!
<erikh> one of the co-owners lead ops at livejournal
<erikh> another on the team lead ops at wikipedia
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<erikh> to say they know what they're doing is a pretty significant understatement
<gnufied> who do you work for Umbrella corporation?
<injekt> erikh: nice
<antbody> erikh: but you'll become the master of these things by reading high scalability.
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<antbody> As one non-dev said reading it makes you handle all scalability problems.
<antbody> And people wonder why it projects fail.
<RyanScottLewis> Does anyone know if "HoneyPot" captchas actually work? Should they be used in combination with a regular image captcha?
<injekt> captchas also make me want to punch baby dolphins
<yorickpeterse> captchas should be your last resort to begin with
<erikh> RyanScottLewis: ages ago, I used to work for a company that hired 4 full-time people to fill in captchas for very prominent websites
<RyanScottLewis> (This is for a WordPress comment box >_<)
<RyanScottLewis> XD nice!
<jaska> captchas are getting to the point where they reject humans instead of bots <.<
<RyanScottLewis> I usually *always* setup a honeypot captcha because it doesn't interfere with the interface at all. Just in case.
<injekt> RyanScottLewis: I feel sorry for you for even having to think about that
<erikh> dunno. these days I think just making the system in a way where gaming it yields no benefit is the best solution
<erikh> not always an answer, but probably is more than people want to believe
<seoaqua> guys, i recommend http://rubydoc.info/gems/addressable/2.2.2/frames to parse invalid uri :)
<injekt> seoaqua: um, thanks for that
<RyanScottLewis> Unfortunately, every single client I have needs some type of "Contact me instantly with this amazing form on my homepage" feature
<yorickpeterse> RyanScottLewis: please stop using XD btw, it reminds me too much of 14 year olds
<yorickpeterse> and that pisses me off
<injekt> get off yorick's lawn
<yorickpeterse> yes
* yorickpeterse gets shotgun
<yorickpeterse> or wait
* yorickpeterse gets Bushmaster
<erikh> shotgun depends on whiskey
<yorickpeterse> I'm a bad person
<RyanScottLewis> yorickpeterse: Sorry, been doing it since I was 14 and probably ain't gonna stop.
<erikh> if we're going to do this properly at least
<injekt> I bought honey whiskey yesterday
<erikh> injekt: is it any good?
<injekt> erikh: it's very sweet but if you're into that it's pretty nice
<erikh> one of the things about whiskey I like the most is that it's not sweet
<erikh> hm, was worried about that
<injekt> yup that's my only issue with it, it's sweeter than you think, too
<erikh> ugh.
<injekt> basically I would drink if it I wanted a sweet drink, not if i wanted a whiskey
<RyanScottLewis> Blech. I've yet to find a whiskey that I actually like without mixing it.
<erikh> I don't get it, lee. I mean, you live in whiskey mecca
<gnufied> yorickpeterse: 14 year olds are people too, you know? XD
<injekt> erikh: haha, it's just another addition to my whiskey cabinet
<jaska> mixing whiskey.. if its anything other than a bit of water then its blasphemy :D
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<RyanScottLewis> Dewers scotch whiskey is pretty nice.
<erikh> injekt: fair 'nuff
<injekt> ugh, one does not simple mix whiskey
<injekt> rocks
<erikh> s/simple// FTFY
<injekt> ty
<erikh> I literally cringe when someone comes over, I offer them a glass of decent scotch, and they ask where the ice is
<injekt> baha
<erikh> I mean I can't hide it. it usually gets a little uncomfortable after that
<yorickpeterse> gnufied: oh god, my gears
<yxhuvud> a small amount of water is pretty fine, but ice o_O
<RyanScottLewis> I'm also not big into liquors, hipster microbrews are where it's at!
<erikh> yxhuvud: i live in 'murrica
<injekt> 'MURRICA
<erikh> here, whiskey is something people frequently drink to impress others
<erikh> sadly enough
<injekt> and I live in the UK, we drink if for breakfast when we're 10
<erikh> injekt: I thought they put it in the baby formula over ther
<erikh> e
<RyanScottLewis> That IS the baby formula
<injekt> only if you dont like your child
<injekt> so mostly
<erikh> on the bright side
<erikh> our porn is so much better
<injekt> oh dude
<oddmunds> here, babies drinks human milk
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<injekt> when I hear those girls speaking with a brit accent, I feel like it's a comedy sketch
<erikh> oh I didn't say it was the best
<erikh> pretty sure the germans have that locked in
<RyanScottLewis> Naw, the award goes to Canada
<injekt> erikh: no im agreeing with you, brit porn is so terrible
<injekt> and german porn just reminds me of dominikh so i try and avoid it
<erikh> hahaha
<erikh> but it's so much fun to taunt him
<dominikh> injekt: fuck off dude
<injekt> :D
<erikh> he's like the self-hating german
<erikh> and it's awesome
<injekt> dominikh: g'morning
<erikh> oh, hey. anyone know if I can accept pull requests to github wikis?
<erikh> I'd like to allow people to edit it, but approve the edits first.
<injekt> good question
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<erikh> I know you can clone the wikis and mess with them with gollum locally, but yeah.
<RyanScottLewis> Why not just use the github pages feature for that
<erikh> RyanScottLewis: I really don't want to deal with layout and page trees and all that
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<yorickpeterse> erikh: only the PR system that Git itself uses
<erikh> seems like you can't
<erikh> bummer
<erikh> doesn't seem like they plan to change that, either
<erikh> ugh.
<injekt> hey have 140 employees now, I wonder what they're all working on
<injekt> apart from trying to keep the site online
<erikh> learning how spanning tree protocol works
* erikh feels bad now
<yorickpeterse> REST....coldfusion
<yorickpeterse> hahaha
<erikh> STP is really easy to screw up. it's not really fair to them.
<darix> injekt: i was just too lazy for my shift key i meant \A\Z :p
<injekt> darix: oh ok, I'm just used to using \Z because \Z is \z but matches before a newline
<yorickpeterse> hahahahaha factory girl
<yorickpeterse> Please stop shitting *all* over method_missing
<RyanScottLewis> Is there anything like this that has been developed on recently? https://github.com/lucky/robustthread
<injekt> people use factories and similar way too often, when 80%+ can be tested without hitting the db it's majorly overkill
<darix> RyanScottLewis: i would be wondering how this is even supposed to work
<injekt> wow that's some terrible code
<RyanScottLewis> I don't even know if it does, I just stumbled onto it
<yxhuvud> They should have made the simplest thing to build a nonpersisted entry instead of the opposite.
<darix> RyanScottLewis: what are you looking for actually?
<RyanScottLewis> Oh nothing, I just ran across this and was wondering if a similar library is being actively developed.
<erikh> RyanScottLewis: at_exit { Thread.list.reject { |x| x == Thread.current }.each(&:join) }
<erikh> that code will replace that whole library. paste it anywhere
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<RyanScottLewis> Right. I'm saying is there a gem that has that in the code so I can just require that instead of remembering that bit of code.
<injekt> ...
<injekt> c'mon
<RyanScottLewis> Obviously wouldn't use it in a gem/library but totally would use this in a temp script
<RyanScottLewis> Hey! I'm lazy!
<erikh> RyanScottLewis: another way of saying it: if you don't know what that code does, you shouldn't be using threads.
<darix> erikh: so the whole thing it does is blocking exiting the program when there are still threads running?
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<erikh> darix: yeah, it's just an at_exit hook that joins all non-current threads
<erikh> I use a very similar pattern here
<darix> erikh: and i was hoping it would also survive crashes of the master process :p
<erikh> well certain crashes don't fire the at_exit handlers
<erikh> like, that code also sets Thread.abort_on_exception, which is pretty bad but is lazy and just as effective as handling it properly in my case
<RyanScottLewis> Also, exception handling?
<RyanScottLewis> Right
<erikh> abort doesn't fire at_exit, neither does exit!, etc
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<erikh> RyanScottLewis: Thread#join will raise any exception to the thread calling it
<RyanScottLewis> Oh yeah.. geez I need to goto sleep.
<RyanScottLewis> And stop staying up for 24+ hours
<erikh> that is: t = Thread.new { sleep 5; raise "omg!" }; begin; t.join; rescue RuntimeError => e; puts e.message; end
<RyanScottLewis> It's not helping my poor brain cells
<erikh> that'll print "omg!", presuming the program doesn't exit before the join completes
<injekt> RyanScottLewis: threading is hard, lets go.. to sleep?
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<gnufied> i honestly thought, robust-thread thingy, somehow makes other thread surive when main process dies
<RyanScottLewis> That's what my inital thought was
<injekt> hmm judofry is working on an orm eh?
<erikh> gnufied: well if the threads never terminate, the join will block
<RyanScottLewis> Now that I realize that it doesn't do that I feel like a jackass
<erikh> so that code above accomplishes the same thing.
<erikh> i mean, yes -- if the main thread exits the program will still be running, just the "main thread" will be executing its at_exit handlers.
<RyanScottLewis> I thought it would daemonize each "robust thread" that was running into separate process
<gnufied> erikh: sure. but I think, assumption was somehow non-main thread survive master process crash/exit
<gnufied> threads*
<erikh> well most "crashes" actually fire at_exit hooks
<erikh> there are a few that don't, though.
<RyanScottLewis> Either way, sleep time for me. Cheers.
<erikh> and daemonizing is a different subject really
<erikh> later
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<gnufied> that is besides the point. I was hoping for a erlang like supervisor
<gnufied> :-)
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<erikh> you mean celluloid?
<gnufied> I haven't looked too closely at celluloid. but here is the that library description
<gnufied> "RobustThread, threads that won't die when the process does (yay!) — https://github.com/lucky/robustthread#readme"
<gnufied> which is wrong
<darix> gnufied: ;)
<injekt> 'robust thread' haha
<darix> gnufied: you could combine erlang and ruby via bert: https://github.com/blog/531-introducing-bert-and-bert-rpc
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<erikh> you could do something lik that with fork
<erikh> but you're basically playing russian roulette with your foot
<injekt> didn't tom build bert?
<erikh> fork only carries over the current thread
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<erikh> so, presuming you detach the forks and they ran their own threads, and you forked for each running thread, you could have the behavior the readme describes
<darix> erikh: you would still need some way to access data on other threads
<erikh> of course, fork bombing your system when a service has a critical error -- probably not the best behavior
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<darix> also you would need something like drb, zmq so the threads could talk to each other
<erikh> darix: yeah; I never actually write my threaded code that way but it could be a problem sure
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<gnufied> this how rails gets a reputation of, build next facebook in 10 minutes
<gnufied> :-)
<erikh> wow, uh, he got perl running on heroku
<erikh> what a beautiful, beautiful man
<darix> perl *shudders* :p
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<erikh> it's funny, I started shitting out a rails app yesterday and really wanted to do it with dancer/dbic
<erikh> heroku was the reason I didn't
<erikh> so, uh, maybe I'll throw this away
<darix> erikh: because rails is the only ruby webframework?:)
<injekt> I've used mojo on heroku before
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<darix> injekt: mojo?
<injekt> darix: mojolicious, a perl web framework
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<injekt> I used the tool judofyr built
<erikh> injekt: why didn't you tell me this yesterday when I was bitching about sinatra and rails
<injekt> erikh: haha I didn't know you werent aware of perl on heroku
<injekt> you can pretty much run anything on heroku tbh
<dominikh> way to troll him injekt :D
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<injekt> you had fun though right?
<erikh> sure, if you mean learning new and creative ways of using sed to eliminate mindless boilerplate editing
<injekt> :D
<injekt> this was the buildpack https://github.com/judofyr/perloku
<erikh> I believe last night I ran this a fair amount: for i in **/*.erb; do html2haml $i >$(echo $i | sed 's/\.erb/\.haml/'); done
<injekt> ah yes, erb to haml views, fun..
<erikh> thank god I wasn't using posix shell
<erikh> anyhow, yeah
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<erikh> injekt: do you know if that comes with all the bits you need to install DBD::Pg?
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<injekt> erikh: I'm not sure as I used mojo, i think it picks up deps automatically (perhaps from the makefile?) and installs them on deploy
<darix> erikh:
<injekt> ah yes, deps specified in makefile should do the trick fine
<erikh> yeah, i mean libpq and all that, which is required by DBD::Pg
<injekt> oh right
<darix> erikh: why not just use: ${i//erb/haml}
<darix> ?:D
<erikh> not familiar with that syntax
<injekt> erikh: libpq exists on heroku you might have to check everything else though
<darix> erikh: why not just use: ${i//\.erb/.haml}
<erikh> is it like %% and ## ?
<darix> if you
<darix> yes
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<erikh> injekt: hrm ok
<erikh> darix: didn't know -- is that POSIX, ksh, beyond?
<darix> works on zsh and bash at least
<erikh> good to know, thanks.
<injekt> I use stuff like !! and !$ more than anything in my shell
<erikh> I try not to have too much faith in the shell I use
<erikh> just a consequence of being on a lot of machines
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<injekt> blah too much rails today
<injekt> ~/code/allur[master]% ls **/*.rb | wc -l 470
<injekt> no wonder rails is slow to start
<erikh> that's pretty small?
<injekt> reltively yeah, that's before optimizations too
<erikh> oh ha
<erikh> that's the number of files. lol.
<injekt> ya 470 files
<dominikh> yeah not lines of code :>
<erikh> this chef-workflow thing is getting largeish
<erikh> simplifying some things that firmly fell into the "Deal with it later" category now, so it's getting better.
<injekt> :D
<injekt> 117 js files, that's the worst part I think
<erikh> ooff
<erikh> all asset pipeline stuff?
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<erikh> oh btw, did I ever show you my sprockets hack to speed up asset pipeline compilation?
<injekt> yeah sort of, i deal with asset compiling myself because the asset pipeline sucks ass
<injekt> nope?
<yorickpeterse> I've heard people complain about but never dived into it, what's so bad about it?
<injekt> yorickpeterse: it's slow and not very smart, i dont think it's solving the problem very well
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<yorickpeterse> define "not very smart"
<yorickpeterse> (I'm genuinely curious)
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<injekt> one of our developers was having lots of issues with javascript compiling and such, when I couldn't find/fix the issue I stopped using the asset pipeline and implemented something myself, haven't had issues since. I can't really remember all of the issues I was having but there were plenty, probably a lot of stuff on google
<injekt> it doesn't mix well with engines very much, either
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<erikh> injekt: my little rake hack nearly tripled the speed at our place
<erikh> it was taking ~7 minutes before, ~2 after
<injekt> wow
<erikh> basically, during precompile it does a bunch of work, and then to reset the cache it actually forks and execs ruby -- from the shell -- to execute another rake task
<erikh> so I put the effort in to identify what caches needed to be cleared
<injekt> eh
<erikh> you'd be surprised how much faster it gets when it doesn't have to re-execute that mess a second time
<injekt> heh, rails and its related 'core' dependencies just seem to be getting slower
<injekt> our work app has so many hacks to speed things up
<erikh> yeah, sounds about right
<injekt> I read an article a few weeks ago about a raw insert being ~70x faster than ar processing and inserting itself
<yorickpeterse> > Rails
<yorickpeterse> > Performance
<yorickpeterse> lol
<erikh> injekt: well, yeah -- I tried to fix that a few years ago
<injekt> erikh: what happened?
<erikh> but I think you know that for some reason
<erikh> (I think you still have a commit bit!)
<injekt> oh
<injekt> yes
<injekt> :)
<injekt> I just dont understand how these things arent being fixed
<erikh> they don't see them as problems.
<erikh> devise, when you use case insensitive modes, runs this query against hte login key
<injekt> yeah I guess that's my biggest issue with rails
<erikh> select * from users where LOWER(email) = LOWER(?);
<erikh> it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that's not going to hit an index
<yorickpeterse> erikh: wat
<injekt> it uses that entire query? not column selects, no limits?
<erikh> it might do id or something, really doens't matter for this case
<injekt> 'heh
<erikh> the LOWER() in the where is busting the index
<erikh> dominikh: that's so unportable it's not even funny
<injekt> dominikh: hey man could we link to older docs? :D
<dominikh> injekt: I'm sure they didn't remove it in 9.2 :P
<injekt> you should try using devise in an engine
<injekt> haha..hahahaha
<erikh> see
<erikh> alternatively
<erikh> it could always be written out in lower case
<erikh> crazy
<erikh> I know
<erikh> motherfucking crazy idea.
<injekt> I had a conversation with jose about it, and it pretty much ended up with "yeah.. devise just cant handle that"
<yorickpeterse> but but!!
<injekt> no butts
<wnd> you managed to remind me of "you sound like a motor boat" -- time to rewatch bablyon 5
<erikh> butts
<erikh> motorboat
<erikh> things just got weird
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<injekt> things were always weird
<erikh> injekt: chef-workflow is just under 3k LoC according to sloccount
<erikh> 2 months of work
<injekt> :D
<erikh> apparently worth $100k
<erikh> lol.
<injekt> yeah.. sloccount..
<dominikh> been way happier ever since I replaced sloccount with cloc
<erikh> I like it because it's a little smarter than wc -l
<yorickpeterse> think about all the precious bytes you've liberated
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<injekt> yeah i've been using cloc
<erikh> I do not know these hipster tools
<injekt> :D
<injekt> brew install cloc gogo
<yorickpeterse> probably never heard of it
<dominikh> cloc is sloccount in faster, without nonsensical cost models and knowing more languages :P
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<erikh> it things some of my code is bourne shell and some of it is bash
<injekt> haha
<erikh> fact: there is no shell in either
<erikh> err in any of it
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<yorickpeterse> clocl also thinks it's scanning two files when I tell it to scan 1
<erikh> oh and a yaml file
<erikh> none of those either
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<injekt> see much more accurate
<erikh> seems that way
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<erikh> all I really care about is not counting whitespace
<erikh> but yeah
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<injekt> man, im about to start a bounty on SO for a god damn rails question
<injekt> such bullshit
<erikh> what q?
<injekt> the title is a little misleading, but I spoke to about 8 guys in the rails channel and no one could work it out so im not even entirely sure what the problem is
* dominikh votes to close.
<injekt> lol
<dominikh> why the fuck is your rep so high
<injekt> looks like the problem is in here somewhere https://github.com/injekt/teamr/blob/master/app/models/contact.rb but no clue what it is
<injekt> dominikh: it's only ~4k that's not high
<dominikh> it's higher than mine "{
<dominikh> *:P
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<injekt> and because I got 100+ rep for one answer where all I did was print the output of the rails help
<injekt> 173 apparently
<dominikh> beats my 119 for explaining how to run gem build :D
<dominikh> injekt: "one of the best answers i've ever gotten to a programming question. thanks"
<injekt> dominikh: haha yeah
<injekt> dominikh: haha did you downvote it?
<dominikh> maybe
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<erikh> injekt: can you send the query now() or current_timestamp() instead of using the time value from AR?
<erikh> those are the sql functions that postgres supports natively -- they run on the query itself
<injekt> erikh: trying that
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<erikh> e.g., equivalent sql: update teams set user_id=blah, last_assigned_contact_at=now() where id=420;
<erikh> another advantage to this is, if you have a ton of app servers, that time will always be consistent regardless of any clock skew between the app servers
<erikh> (because it actually executes on the db server)
<injekt> well shit
<erikh> let me know if you need an address to send that check to
<injekt> fuck you rails
<injekt> and <3 erikh
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<injekt> I wonder why rails is choking on this
<darix> injekt: you cant blame it on rails yet
<yorickpeterse> because fuck you
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<injekt> darix: sure i can, it works when I use now() but not when I use Time.current, who elses fault is it?
<darix> from all the infos we had so far it could also be the sql server
<darix> thats why i asked in the query if the same results happen if you use plain sql queries to do the actions
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<injekt> darix: I dont know I haven't tested it, as I said I lost patience for this a long time ago, so I'll probably revisit and try and work out the real issue when i have time again
<injekt> darix: the app is there and only a clone away if you're interested in debugging it, though
<injekt> a few people have looked at it and couldn't figure out what was happening
<erikh> well
<erikh> now() is a postgres-ism IIRC
<erikh> so that's hard to abstract
<erikh> it's also variant on type
<erikh> you'll notice that select now()::timestamp is different from now()::date, for example
<erikh> it's not the sql server.
<injekt> yeah and i need microsecond precision because records are being updated so fast
<erikh> I'd put money on the rails app generating the time and sending it to the database
<erikh> largely because it's hard to remain portable unless you do that
<erikh> that's one of many problems with ORMs.
<injekt> yeah it definitely does that I can see it in the logs, but if the timestamp is including ms then it shouldn't be a problem anyway? as long as the stamps are unique
<erikh> just to be clear, it's not an easy problem to solve and I can't really fault AR's architects for not caring
<erikh> injekt: well, depends
<erikh> are you running multiple app servers? how long does it take to get to the database? how long before the transaction completes?
<erikh> all are ways to fuck with something that has such high precision
<injekt> heh
<erikh> and that's long before you get into things like caching and so on which make this harder to debug
<erikh> anyhow
<darix> erikh: well they already have some things where they emulate stuff for DBs that doesnt support the feature. so adding another hook for time.now like queries ... shouldnt be hard
<erikh> well, 'emulate' very likely means "do as little as possible to keep people happy"
<erikh> and honestly if they generated now() it would have other repercussions
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<erikh> let's say you did this: foo = FooModel.new; foo.time = Time.current; foo.save; p foo.time
<erikh> what happens between foo.save and foo.time?
<erikh> (a reload, if you want to give a valid answer)
<erikh> what if you use foo.time before the save? what should happen then? etc etc
<injekt> fun stuff
<erikh> basically the only way you're getting around it is by generating the time at the time Time.current is called, but implementing it in a way that it matches, type-for-type, what now() would produce
<erikh> which is probably close to what they do now -- and also why it doesn't work for injekt's case
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<darix> erikh: dont you already have the problem for things like updated_at/created_at ?
<erikh> I'd be very surprised if it doesn't have this problem too
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<injekt> that's what the guy who answered my questions brought up, he said it doesn't happen and using write_attribute should work because it bypasses any time zone conversion (where rails rounds off the usec) but his solution didn't work, either
<erikh> what's really gonna beat your brain down is that not only do IEEE floats start becoming a liability at this point of precision, but also that for the longest time, ruby's Date libraries couldn't present this much precision
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<erikh> it's almost like I've written database libraries for postgres before and handled this exact issue
<erikh> :P
<erikh> injekt: that's not really the problem I think. it's a classic race
<injekt> erikh: yeah, the thing is it should be easy to reproduce by updating a ton of records in quick succession and ordering by updated_at, but that works fine
<erikh> Time.current simply doesn't represent the time the record was written
<erikh> and that's enough time to matter
<erikh> injekt: are you typing it in or hitting it with a script?
<erikh> I bet if you hit it with a script that did it, you'd see it.
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<erikh> well, something that did several writes in parallel
<injekt> erikh: right, but mine doesn't do writes in parallel (the original), if I do pretty much the exact same script except just touch the object and order by updated, they're fine
<erikh> hmm
<erikh> does the script hit the web server or does it run the queries directly?
<injekt> directly, i threw them in db/seeds that's how I've been testing them on the app I linked to
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<erikh> hmmmmmm
<erikh> what happens if you team.reload after the update_attributes?
<erikh> I still think you're doing this wrong if you're not using now(), but it could be, in your case, just a stupid caching issue
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<injekt> erikh: it's an lvar im not sure how that would help
<erikh> just try it :)
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<injekt> yeah no workie
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<erikh> meh
<erikh> no idea then
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<erikh> I should probably do something more productive than bitch in irc
<erikh> ttfn
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: hm, interesting
<yorickpeterse> that's not how I'd describe it
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: huh?
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<yorickpeterse> I can't see myself maintaining some beast like that
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: this is basically better ruby_parser lexing code
<whitequark> much cleaner, but still the same crap
<yorickpeterse> heh
<whitequark> do you consider my ragel lexer better than this?
<yorickpeterse> It's auto generated so I can't say much about the resulting Ruby code
<yorickpeterse> (note that I was explicitly wtf'ing about the look of it, not if it actually works)
<whitequark> we're talking about maintainability here
<yorickpeterse> and wondering why he didn't use one of the existing parsers
<whitequark> and you don't need to maintain autogenerated code.
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<yorickpeterse> Correct, but the Opal code doesn't seem to be auto generated
<yorickpeterse> (only the grammar seems to use racc)
<whitequark> yeah, it isn't
<yorickpeterse> what the hell
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<yorickpeterse> Hm that reminds me, my new parser probably doesn't do op assigns
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: he tried to use RP's lexer but it fails on pathological inputs
<yorickpeterse> hmm
<whitequark> through there isn't really much sense to rewrite it to get basically the same shit again
<whitequark> as per parser, I dunno, probably NIH syndrome
<whitequark> because there isn't really a reason to not use RP's grammar.y. it's quite good and only needs a minor cleanup.
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: talking about opal, I don't exactly see a reason for it to exist.
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<yorickpeterse> tbh I think it would be better suited than Coffeescript, at least when targeting Rubyists
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<whitequark> exactly. it explicitly cannot run existing code
<whitequark> and unless you can run existing code unmodified, transpilers are not worth it
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<lempface> I am having the hardest time getting this regular expression to work. Basically I am using Watir to automate some web browser tasks here at work and I need to find the ID of the button I want to click. I am attempting to do this by location a line that will give me that ID through regex searching the entire html source. If I test my expression in a regex tester app after pasting in the source I get the match I want. If I explicitly
<lempface> in ruby I also get the match, but not when I pull the html from Watir.
<canton7> yuck, html + regex don't work well together, in general
<canton7> (html isn't regular, so can't be described by regular expressions, etc etc)
<yorickpeterse> lempface: First rule of parsing HTML is to **NOT** use regular expressions
<yorickpeterse> Use Nokogiri
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<lempface> well maybe you have another idea, I am basically deactivating a work order. I give a function the name of the workorder i.e. "Company Box 10000" and in the html I have <option rowid="21110">Company Box 10000</option>, then the button I want to click is going to be id="21110_submitSave"
<lempface> so I need that id to make sure I am pressing the correct button
<canton7> what's your regex?
<injekt> doc.find('option[rowid="21110"]')
<injekt> with nokogiri
<injekt> @rowid
<lempface> :/<option value=\S* >#{work_order_name}<[^\d]*>/
<canton7> I thought you needed #css or #xpath, not #find ?
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<injekt> canton7: find uses either
<canton7> injekt, aha, good to know thanks
<canton7> lempface, well that's wrong for starters. There's no space before the > in your sample?
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<injekt> also you know that option is the closing tag, so what's with the <[^\d]*> :S
<injekt> /<option value="[^"]+">#{word_order_name}<\/option>/
<canton7> you probably want to capture the option value, too
<injekt> yeah not entirely sure what he's trying to achieve
<canton7> capture the rowid of the <option> with contents word_order_name?
<canton7> well, or value as given in his regex
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<yorickpeterse> lempface: save yourself the trouble and stop using regular expressions for parsing HTML
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<lempface> sorry all let me read through this again my boss stopped by
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<lempface> also that wasn't a straight example, but the regex does work in like regex hero or that ruby regex tester
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<lempface> injekt that was exactly my first try at the regex, but i started testing other things just to try
<lempface> I'll check out nokogiri, I assume I could say find an option tag with innertext "Company Box 10000"
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<Smol> doc.xpath("//option[text() = 'Company Box 10000']").first['rowid']
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<lempface> Smol, thanks for that, I had returned the array of all option tags, but I am getting an undefined method [] when trying your code there
<injekt> no need for finding them all, use at_xpath() to return the first one and stop parsing the document
<lempface> hmm can I specify inner text with at_xpath
<injekt> why do you want that? I thought you wanted the rowid
<Smol> oh yeah, at_css/at_xpath, that's what they were called
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<Smol> couldn't remember the method names off the top of my head
<lempface> I want the rowid from a specific inner text
<injekt> lempface: that's what Smol just showed you how to do
<lempface> so just change that to at_xpath?
<injekt> it's not necessary that code works fine
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<lempface> I got an undefined method '[]'
<injekt> lempface: paste the output
<lempface> sure just a moment
<injekt> of this: doc.xpath("//option[text() = 'Company Box 10000']").inspect
<lempface> gonna be a minute this machine is dreadfully slow
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<lempface> [#<Nokogiri::XML::Element:0x2c4684 name="option" attributes=[#<Nokogiri::XML::Attr:0x2c364c name="value" value="4093">] children=[#<Nokogiri::XML::Text:0x9f7c80 "DEMO - General Cable AP">]>]
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<lempface> its really value not rowid there
<injekt> eh so it's not rowid
<injekt> it's value
<injekt> right, so ammend your code to suit
<lempface> i did that hah
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<injekt> doc.at_xpath('//option[. = "Company Box 10000"]')['value'] should also work
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<lempface> cool that seems to be working!
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<lempface> frustrating time clock system, they give us read only access to the mysql db, so to automate some tasks that take 10+ hrs a week I can't easily just change values but have to use web browser automation.. coming from vb.net ruby is a bit of a mind blower
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<lempface> any thoughts on building the gui front end for this? IronRuby maybe?
<lempface> eh maybe just a windows form that produces a parsable output file for the rb to execute
<injekt> oh god
<injekt> guis
<lempface> hah the people that will use this app are not the mightiest and brightest in the world
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<lempface> Ahhh... so much easier to specify the button you want when you have the id =) That worked absolutely beautifully.
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<zzak> good morning!
<lempface> morning zzak
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<imperator> yo
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<lempface> with nokigiri if I want to find <div class="pageSelect"> is it html.doc.css("div#pageSelect") ?
<lempface> html_doc rather
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<seanstickle> div.pageSelect
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<seanstickle> # is for ids
<banisterfiend> seanstickle: sup stick.
<lempface> thanks
<seanstickle> Heya banisterfiend .
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<banisterfiend> seanstickle: Stick.
<seanstickle> Yup
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<injekt> lempface: yeah, I think .pageSelect would work too
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<lempface> is there an easy way to validate the existence of an 'a' with innertext "foobar" that would be a child of that <div class="pageSelect"> ?
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<injekt> lempface: //div[contains(text(), 'a')]
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<injekt> oh wait [text()[contains(., 'a')]
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<injekt> I believe
<injekt> I cant check right now
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<lempface> thanks again injekt ill try it momentarily
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<lempface> sorry injekt I wasn't clear, the div has children link tags <a ..>foobar</a>, I wan't to verify that a link tag exists with innertext foobar
<injekt> lempface: can you paste a snippet of html and the output you want?
<injekt> I'm a little confused
<lempface> sure
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<lempface> what is the preferred paste site?
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<ambethia> lempface, looks like gist, from the topic
<lempface> thanks ambethia, I forget to check those sometimes
<ambethia> :D
<lempface> i just recalled that someone mentioned they didn't prefer pastebin last time I was here
<injekt> yeah man fuck pastebin
<lempface> lawl
<zzak> someone actually updated the topic, nice
<zzak> needs p362 tho
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<injekt> aye
<injekt> damn no-one changing it on xmas day
<seanstickle> lempface: gist
<zzak> injekt: seriously, someone is fired
<injekt> zzak: yeah or just like not pay them for a month, that'll show them
<zzak> injekt: and dont tell them, just keep redirecting them between payroll and hr
<injekt> YEAH
<injekt> matz and matz
<zzak> i try to stay on matz good side, because we all know MINBSHCBAHD
<injekt> man I am trying to come up with something
<zzak> matz is nice but sometimes he can be a huge dick
<injekt> :D:D:D:D
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<injekt> lempface: what are you looking to return?
<lempface> boolean
<injekt> lempface: based on what condition?
<lempface> existence of <a page='1'>First</a> as a child in <div class="pageSelect">
<injekt> oh
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<injekt> lempface: exists = !doc.at('//div[@class="pageSelect"]/a[1][. = "First"]').nil?
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<lempface> it works, let me see if i can follow..
<injekt> lempface: that basically checks if the first link in the pageSelect div has the text 'First'
<lempface> indexing not zero based there ?
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<mbr> injekt: why not just doc.at('div.pageSelect a').text == 'First'?
<injekt> mbr: no reason, we could probably come up with about 20 things (im a sucker for xpath, too)
<mbr> I see, don't get that xpath mojo well too
<lempface> mbr is yours using CSS?
<mbr> lempface: it looks like
<injekt> mbr: I guess you could possibly drop the div prefix too?
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<zzak> '.pageSelect > a[page=1]'
<injekt> HAH FUCK ZZAK
<lempface> i'm getting syntax errors on that one mbr
<zzak> i prefer css selectors
<injekt> Im attracted to xpath, it's like the ugly chick you'd secretly bang
<lempface> ruby is like magic tricks to me. hard to follow
<zzak> xpath is probably more stable, css is just familiarity
<injekt> heh, it's probably just more capable for advanced stuff
<zzak> you mean xpath?
<lempface> ugh... I guess I need to validate the existence of that div too because if there are no additional pages it errors out
<zzak> i think the xpath spec is way simpler, so its less error prone
<injekt> zzak: yah xpath
<injekt> lempface: that wouldn't happen with my one
<injekt> or zzaks
<injekt> calling .text is why it would flake
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<lempface> I was trying to use that one because it seemed to be the most readable.. zzak can you flesh out the entire statement of your idea?
<injekt> exists = !doc.at('.pageSelect > a[page=1]').nil?
<zzak> 10:14 < lempface> existence of <a page='1'>First</a> as a child in <div class="pageSelect">
<zzak> so i wrote a css selector for that case
<zzak> what inkjet said
<injekt> AS FAST AS A JET, AS DARK AS INK, ALWAYS GETTING JAMMED BY YOUR PAPER
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<lempface> doc.at('.pageSelect > a[page=1]') ?
<zzak> haahah
<whitequark> inkjet lol
<zzak> lempface: try it
<whitequark> injekt: i wonder how often do you get called like tht
<injekt> whitequark: always
<injekt> i even mistake it myself sometimes
<zzak> i remember calling you inkjet a few years ago
<zzak> and judofry
<injekt> ah yes good old judofry
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<llaskin> can anyone help provide me an answer?
<injekt> llaskin: < not >
<llaskin> ok
<llaskin> so ignore that mistake...
<injekt> also xyz is not a valid class name
<llaskin> i typed this up quick and dirty
<injekt> a class name is a constant
<injekt> obviously
<injekt> how about you type it up slow and clean instead
<injekt> also, ruby doesn't support multiple inheritance
<lupine> well, it does, just not from classes
<injekt> no
<llaskin> ok
<injekt> that's not multiple inheritance then
<injekt> it has mixins
<llaskin> so I would have to have Axyz and Bxyz or some such?
<lempface> zzak I got an unexpected 'l' after 'equal' in nokogiri/css/parser_extras.rb
<lupine> right, it's a different way of doing the same thing
<llaskin> or FooXyz and BarXyz?
<injekt> llaskin: right, your example class names are outstanding
<llaskin> i sense sarcasm
<llaskin> they are example names...why not use easy to type letters.
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<llaskin> ok cool
<lupine> anyway, the answer would be "use namespaces"
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<zzak> lempface: what did you do?
<lempface> exists = html_doc.at('.pageSelect > a[page=1]')
<lupine> you could define Foo::Xyz and Bar::Xyz as the respective subclasses
<lempface> forgot the nil?
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<lupine> but that'd get weird if you forgot
<injekt> lempface: the nil is only to force boolean value, you dont need it
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<llaskin> lupine: ty. that is the answer I was looking for. are all class variables available within modules inside of a class?
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<injekt> class variables :(
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<lupine> llaskin, I never use them, so can't answer sanely
<lupine> you can look it up, or try it out
<lupine> or find a different way to do what you want ^^
<lempface> zzak same error with or without the nil?
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<injekt> lempface: you mean unexpected '1' after equal not 'l' :P
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<llaskin1> wait
<llaskin1> why are class vars bad?
<whitequark> llaskin1: no, class variables aren't available in nested modules inside a class
<llaskin1> i would assume they are better then using global...
<llaskin1> they aren't
<llaskin1> hrmmm
<llaskin1> is there any way to share a var between modules
<lempface> injekt most likely this rubymine font looks very similar 1s and ls
<zzak> you could use class getter/setter methods
<injekt> lempface: anyway, you just need to write the 1 in quotes, that's all
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<llaskin1> or does each module have to have its own set of vars?
<whitequark> llaskin1: they're considered harmful for some because when you change the value of a class variable in a subclass, you are actually changing the value of a class variable at the point of its definition
<injekt> lempface: page=1 is invalid, page="1" is fine
<zzak> injekt: thank you
<injekt> yeah, use class instance variables SAY WHAT
<injekt> zzak: <3
<lupine> well, there's class variables, and class instance variables, and they're different
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<whitequark> injekt: class variables have valid use cases
<injekt> whitequark: I never said they didn't?
<lupine> class Foo ; @bar = 1 ; end vs class Foo ; @@bar = 1 ; end
<whitequark> injekt: hmpf, nevermind
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<llaskin1> sorry, i meant instance varaibles
<injekt> whitequark: ;)
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<lupine> the main thing I use them for would be class registries
<lupine> which are occasionally useful
<whitequark> lupine: there are also times when being able to access a var with @@something from both class context and instance context is extremely useful
<lupine> the eloquent ruby book goes over both types in quiter some detail IIRC
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<lempface> injekt/zzak what does the '>' function as in that code
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<zzak> child selector
<injekt> ^
<injekt> foo > bar matches any bar element that is a child of foo
<zzak> sometimes > is wonky tho, you can try it without, doesn't make much a difference
<lempface> so .pageSelect finds any node that has a property = to pageSelect ?
<zzak> unless you have many .pageSelect's on the doc
<injekt> lempface: class
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<injekt> .pageSelect checks for any tag with class 'pageSelect'
<zzak> ideally you would use a class for something non-unique
<injekt> yeah, the only reason you'd use an id is for something unique
<zzak> like, 'a.link' => [<#a link>, <#another link>]
<zzak> 'a#the_one_and_only' => <#a link>
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<lempface> does this work? .pageSelect > a[text="foobar"] ?
<injekt> did you try it?
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<manveru> xi ~ % ruby -rnokogiri -e 'p Nokogiri::HTML("<div class='pageSelect'><a>foobar</a></div>").at(%(.pageSelect a[text()="foobar"]))'
<manveru> #<Nokogiri::XML::Element:0x110a65c name="a" children=[#<Nokogiri::XML::Text:0x110a440 "foobar">]>
<injekt> manveru: we're already been here :)
<injekt> and thanks for ruining my "did you try it?" :(
<manveru> :)
<manveru> i tried it, and it didn't work
<lempface> trying now, won't read that :)
<injekt> lol
<manveru> and i hate every time i forget to use text() instead of text
<injekt> aye
<manveru> also hate that docs are so hard to find
<manveru> if xpath just wasn't so damn useful when you actually need it...
<injekt> comprehensive docs are hard to find but I think finding xpath solutions through google is relatively easy
<injekt> so many on so
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<lempface> I think I figured it oit.
<injekt> also foo[.="foo"] > foo[text()="foo"] :D
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<manveru> yeah, just finding what libxml2 supports out of the xpath2 specs...
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<manveru> :)
<manveru> see, i had no idea
<lempface> https://gist.github.com/4401016 was what I came up with
<injekt> I I like this one
<injekt> (//h2[. = 'Foo bar'])[1]/following-sibling::p [1 = count(preceding-sibling::h2[1] | (//h2[. = 'Foo bar'])[1])]
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<manveru> MY EYES
<injekt> (yes I used that for something)
<injekt> lempface: holy mother of method name
<injekt> downcase that shit, bro
<manveru> lol
<injekt> lempface: looks good
<lempface> thats right downcase in ruby :)
<injekt> doesn't the browser have ways of dealing with that? i mean, you're having to parse everything twice
<injekt> seems awfully pointless
<lempface> I'm wasnt able to find anything that would return that row_id for me
<zzak> manveru: i was just reading libxml2 doesnt support xpath2
* zzak tries to sound knowledgable
<manveru> zzak: it supports a few things
<manveru> but not full xpath2
<manveru> i don't think anybody does
<zzak> right
<zzak> i was reading the libxml2 xpath docs
<zzak> impossible
<injekt> what kind of things?
<injekt> man that's a big document
<manveru> i read a ton of the xpath2 spec once
<zzak> no examples in the docs :/
<injekt> I had that and the xpath2 spec open
<manveru> before i figured out that it would be useless because nokogiri doesn't do that stuff :P
<injekt> :D
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<injekt> ah xpath2 allows (.|following-sibling) thats neat
<injekt> and 'except'
<rue> injekt: It’s an enterprise document
<injekt> ur an enterprise document
<manveru> enterprise documents you
<rue> The xpath subset is mostly OK, you can program the rest with a real language
<injekt> document enterprises you
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<lempface> I've decided navigating html sucks
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<zzak> hah
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<tockitj> is there a way of retrieving a fully qualified class name of ruby class (with all name-spaces it belongs to) ?
<lupine> Class#name ?
<tockitj> like A::B::C::D
<injekt> [2] pry(main)> module A; class B; p self.ancestors; end; end
<injekt> [A::B, ...]
<tockitj> it works! :)
<tockitj> thanks
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<lempface> I need to write a routine that loops through an html tables 2nd cell of rows with a specific class and compares a div's innertext for equality
<lempface> this should be fun!
<injekt> seems trivial
<injekt> table/tr[2] <- second row
<lempface> 2nd cell
<injekt> o
<injekt> table/td[2] come at me bro
<lempface> table class=pagedata / tbody / tr class="pdtRow hi header" / div text equalto? workorder
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<injekt> you forgot the cell
<lempface> and that
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<injekt> table[@class="pagedata"]/tbody/tr[@class="pdtRow hi header"]/td/div[.="workorder"]
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<injekt> could probably be well simplified depending on the rest of the document
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<lempface> /td[2]?
<injekt> right
<lempface> I guess I could just get the pdtRow hi header trs
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<injekt> :)
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<injekt> I would probably do tr[..]/following::div[.="wordorder"] or something
<injekt> following-sibling i guess
<injekt> *shrug*
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<lempface> I tihnk I am almost there I have a list of all the <a> tags how do I extract the text? //tr[@class="foobar"]/td[2]/div/a[text()] or a[text] doesn't seem to work
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<injekt> a.text
<injekt> after you've pulled them
<injekt> doc.search('...').each { |link| link.text }
<lempface> I feel like I did when learning regex, its pretty simple but the syntax is so wildly different it is hard to wrap your head around at the beginning
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<lempface> can't I return the list of link.text in one line?
<lempface> hi = html_doc.xpath("//tr[@class='pdtRow hi header']/td[2]/div/a")
<lempface> I figure ruby will have a nifty trick up its sleeve for doing such a thing
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<injekt> lempface: .map(&:text)
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<darix> why not using html_doc.xpath("//tr[@class='pdtRow hi header']/td[2]/div/a/text()") ?
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<injekt> because that'll still return nokokiri objects not strings
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<lempface> Well i'd try that but my first array index has some erroneous data in it that isn't from a tr with the class i specified. is this normal?
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<lempface> well at least printing to the console returned expected results
<injekt> what kind of results?
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<lempface> html_doc.xpath("//tr[@class='pdtRow hi header']/td[2]/div/a").map {|link| link.text} -- returns an array of half of the work orders for me to compare
<lempface> the other half are pdtRow lo header class
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<lempface> do it twice and combine the array or is there a way to get both classes at the same time
<lempface> conditional and maybe
<injekt> im confused
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<lempface> well the dev's of this webapp use tr class "pdtRow hi header" and class "pdtRow lo header" to color alternating rows differently
<lempface> so that line i just pasted gets me all of the white backgrounded row data, and if I did it again with LO I'd get the grey backgrounded row data
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<lempface> can do something like @class='pdtRow hi header' AND 'pdtRow lo header'
<lempface> ?
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<lempface> I could just create 2 arrays, and .zip.flatten to get them back in order
<injekt> yeah you can do that
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<lempface> easy enough then
<injekt> @class='foo' and @class='bar'
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<lempface> it did not like that
<lempface> returned empty array
<injekt> oh you want or
<injekt> of course
<lempface> derp
<injekt> and makes no sense there :)
<lempface> I'm derpin
<lempface> oh boy =)
<lempface> perfecto
<injekt> :)
<emocakes> oh ruby, why can't you be more like php...
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<lempface> gb2php?
<injekt> wtf
<emocakes> gb? good bye?
<injekt> fophp
<injekt> I think you can work that one out
<emocakes> ahh, clever!
<injekt> :)
<injekt> and who in their right mind would want ruby to be ANYTHIGN like php
<lempface> go back 2
<injekt> do not past go do not collect 200 bucks
<emocakes> someone who knows php and is trying to hammer ruby into his head :p
<injekt> emocakes: what are you trying to do?
<lempface> I'm doing the same from .net
<emocakes> i actually wish I could replace the php stuff in my head with ruby
<emocakes> then id be happy injekt
<lempface> but I did ruby a while ago prior to .net and <3 it still
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<emocakes> nothing in particular, just feel retarded productivity wise
<injekt> I wish ruby was a lot of things, too
<zzak> injekt: its a trap!
<lempface> wish ruby had a gui ide
<injekt> zzak: D:
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<emocakes> rubymine lempface
<injekt> ew rubymine
<lempface> that is what i am working i
<emocakes> most ruby i did was in 2007
<lempface> and it is such a hogggg
<emocakes> a bot
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<emocakes> hpricot and nokogiri <3
<lempface> I'm learning nokogiri today too with tons of help from zakk and injekt
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<lempface> and i feel unproductive
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<Paradox> ruby is like mayonnaise
<Paradox> it goes with everything
<Paradox> and some people who are probably stupid dont like it
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<lempface> bahahah
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<zzak> lempface: if you feel confused, its probably because you are learning, that is a good thing!
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<zzak> its important to try things on your own in this stage, and learn at your own pace
<zzak> if we give you the answers all the time you won't be learning anything
<emocakes> zzak, i never thought of it that way
<emocakes> i've been feeling confused and have just been calling myself stupid and crying myself to sleep with a tub of choc-chip ice cream recently
<emocakes> guess you can see the glass half full or half empty
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<lempface> .map or .collect, who you got?!
<nyuszika7h> hi, any idea what am I doing wrong here? http://ix.io/3Mq/ - ruby 1.9.3p327 (2012-11-10 revision 37606) [x86_64-linux]
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<lempface> are there any lighter weight ruby ide's that have a nice debug interface similar to ruby mine? code completion is nice but not required just seems crazy to me this thing will chew as much memory as you give it. Also when looking through debug variable data I often run out of memory.
<imperator> which platform?
<lempface> windows sorry
<zzak> lempface: how much ram do you have?
<emocakes> lempface sounds like an issue
<emocakes> rubymine 'chews' about 700mb here
<emocakes> three projects open
<emocakes> zzak, my money is on 2gb :D
<zzak> nyuszika7h: socket is awesome
<imperator> eclipse or sapphiresteel: http://www.sapphiresteel.com/
<emocakes> eclipse will chew more
<nyuszika7h> zzak, the problem is with creating the file when it doesn't exist
<lempface> 2gb my boss will upgrade my ram to 16gb for me but I'm on 32 bit and don't really wanna re-setup my machine for like the 4th time this year
<nyuszika7h> it seems the listener is started BEFORE the attempt to create the file
<emocakes> ruby in steel looks interesting
<emocakes> lempface, you cant complain on 2gb.... haha
<lempface> I can if Visual Studio lets me tear things up
<lempface> and doesn't run outta memory
<zzak> nyuszika7h: because you create socket before you check file
<zzak> see line 18
<lempface> this is a dinky 58 line script that navigates some webpages through watir and chrome
<zzak> lempface: if you're on 32bit you can only have 3.2gb of ram anyways
<emocakes> lempface have you trying mechanize?
<lempface> zzak yea thats why i said resetup the machine again
<nyuszika7h> oh
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<wnd> PAE might help
<lempface> maybe i make em buy me 16gb and a ssd :) then we see whats what
<nyuszika7h> ah, that's not the problem, I found it
<nyuszika7h> I was missing a 'w' argument to File.open()
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<zzak> nyuszika7h: i wrote a little tcp chat server once upon a time: https://gist.github.com/2d6d0ee91c6392b786ba
<zzak> yar
<emocakes> its a nice combo lempface laptop has it, 16gb and ssd
<nyuszika7h> interesting
<emocakes> still swap on 16gb sometimes though
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<lempface> plus this thing has quite a monitoring agents on it from out manged services guys
<zzak> nyuszika7h: FileUtils.touch(vfile) and log.debug("#{vfile} doesn't exist, creating") unless File.exists? vfile
<nyuszika7h> ah, nice
<lempface> wow that sentence was bad
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<blahwoop> i finally found ruby lang!
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<injekt> horrah
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<freedrull> hey
<blahwoop> rooby
<emocakes> hey
<freedrull> rooby for breakfast? not rooby, rooby puffs cereal!
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<blahwoop> im reading the well grounded rubyist now. is that a good place to start for ruby?
<injekt> imperator: hey can you update the /topic with the latest patch-release of ruby pl0z
<injekt> blahwoop: is it working?
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<blahwoop> the first part is a good review of ruby
<blahwoop> haven't gotten past that yet
<injekt> the best book is the one that teaches the person who's reading it
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<blahwoop> not sure how much im actualy learning lo
<injekt> well it sounds like you haven't even started :)
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<blahwoop> i finally decided to hit ruby hard first before i continue with rails
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<blahwoop> ive been flipflopping. hasn't helped
<injekt> :)
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<emocakes> blahwoop i smacked into rails and just feel frustrated
<emocakes> too much magic
<emocakes> need to know how the magic ismade, off to learn ruby
<emocakes> :p
<blahwoop> thats the conclusion i came to
<blahwoop> hope im right lol
<injekt> learning ruby first is definitely the right way to go
<imperator> injekt, what's p10z? don't see it on the home page
<injekt> imperator: haha, i meant please. it's p362
<imperator> injekt, i did set it
<imperator> (didn't I?)
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<injekt> no topic was last set by apeiros_ on dec 1st
<imperator> i guess i didn't use the proper incantation
<imperator> i typed it in there, thought i set it - i see it now
<imperator> maybe only I see it?
<injekt> jeez one job
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<injekt> now it's done :)
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<imperator> i blame the interfaace
<imperator> asked me to save, i said yes...silly me, thinking that actually saved it
<injekt> wth kind of irc client are you using?
<imperator> xchat
<injekt> ah
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<darix> irssi ftw :p
<imperator> something something old dog, new tricks
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<darix> it isnt that hard :p
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<injekt> yay, install imagemagick, try and install rmagick, apparently there's no imagemagick
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<darix> injekt: on which OS?
<injekt> darix: os x ML, it's funny because it worked before I did a brew upgrade
<injekt> so I naturally removed the gem and tried to reinstall, no go
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<darix> injekt: maybe the libs/headers not in the searchlist of the compiler?
<injekt> darix: if that were the case it wouldn't have worked before though eh?
<injekt> anyway they're all in /usr/local/{includes/lib/etc} (that's where homebrew is
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<rue> I blame the intercom
* imperator seems to recall multiple imagemagick libs, and one of them sucked
<imperator> (as in ram)
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<injekt> how do you pass compile options to gem install? I thought it was -- --foo=bar
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<zzak> zenspider: just released image_science
<zzak> you can try that
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<injekt> yeah I wish I had that choice :)
<zzak> injekt: yeh: gem install some_extension_gem -- --with-extension-lib=/path/to/lib
<zzak> 'gem help install'
<injekt> yeah thought so, not helping
<zzak> what version of gems?
<injekt> zzak: sorry the passing build flags is working, it's just not helping the install
<injekt> still failing
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<rue> There’s no build flag in that
<rue> Though I do recall it’s not always easy to get them through to the extconf
<injekt> rue: I know, it doesn't need one
<injekt> the headers for image magick are found, as you can see, it just cant find initializeMagick() for some reason
<rue> Headers aren’t the same thing as the libs
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<rue> Where *are* the libs?
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<injekt> ~% ls /usr/local/lib/*Magick* | wc -l 13
<injekt> in /usr/local/lib
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<injekt> hah
<injekt> assholes
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<jost> hi! I'm new to ruby and rails etc., and am running into trouble when running 'rake db:migrate' after scaffolding a simple model: If I run it with the mysql2 adapter, migration aborts with "undefined method `accept' for nil:NilClass". If he database connections are changed to the mysql adapter, the error message becomes "database configuration specifies nonexistent mysql adapter". What is the problem?
<zzak> jost: try #rubyonrails
<jost> zzak, ok, I'll do that
<jost> thanks
<injekt> jost: what version of mysql2?
<jost> injekt: 0.3.11
<injekt> jost: can you paste your gemfile and database.yml
<jost> and 2.9.0 of mysql
<injekt> dont have them both in the gemfile at the same time :)
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<jost> I've changed all occurences of 'mysql2' to 'mysql' when trying to use mysql
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<injekt> jost: remove activerecord-mysql2-adapter from gemfile, add 'mysql2' then bundle install, restart your server and try again
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<jost> injekt: thanks, that worked :-)
<jost> whats the reason?
<injekt> jost: activerecord-mysql2-adater doesn't need to be used, mysql2 is enough, it's caused many issues before
<jost> what is the difference between the two? activerecord is a database abstraction layer, correct?
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<Paradox> jost, ye
<Paradox> AR is an ORM
<injekt> mysql2 is the ruby binding to mysql, not even sure exactly what the adapter alone is supposed to do
<Paradox> it doesnt care where the data is stored
<Paradox> as long as it can respond to a certain set of instructions
<Paradox> and what inkjet said is true
<Paradox> there are other adapters too
<Paradox> pg is the postgres one
<injekt> inkjet
<Paradox> etc
<Paradox> yes
<Paradox> inkjet
<Paradox> thats your new name
<injekt> NO YOU
<Paradox> nou
<injekt> PARACOX
<jost> :-)
<Paradox> xd
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<irb> hello
<irb> is anyone familiar with the Whenever gem to assist with cron jobs?
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<reactormonk> irb, metaquestion.
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<freedrull> destroyallsoftware is blowing my mind
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<freedrull> rspec or minitest/spec??? :|
<havenn> minitest/spec
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<Spaceghostc2c> It does that.
<Spaceghostc2c> irb: !used
<Spaceghostc2c> Oh wrong channel
<Spaceghostc2c> irb: just ask the question.
<JMcAfreak> still wrong channel?
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