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<fcosegovia_>
hola
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<zenspider>
apeiros: sorry! I thought I could ban a few thousand more
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<centrx>
Free the people!
<ddd>
ALL UR PPL R BELONG 2 US!
<zenspider>
it does look like many can be consolidated
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<zenspider>
why did we need to ban kyb3r_ anyhow?
<kyb3r_>
wait what?
<zenspider>
do I finally get to say "I told you so" about the registration requirement?
<ddd>
because he has a secret prediliction to coding in php over ruby possibly?
<zenspider>
eww
<kyb3r_>
I'm missing something here.
<zenspider>
seems appropriate then
<ddd>
heh
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<zenspider>
ah. I think I see why now :)
<centrx>
Too many PHP users
<ddd>
php gives me the evil shivers
<kyb3r_>
I'm using hexchat but I can't get how to make identify on startup work
<ddd>
i feel dirty everytime after i have to deal with it
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<centrx>
kyb3r_, It's in the options for the server/network
<zenspider>
ddd: nobody HAS to deal with it
<centrx>
kyb3r_, Change "Login method"
<kyb3r_>
centrx, yeah I had it on there and wasn't working properly
<kyb3r_>
let me try again.
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<kyb3r_>
yeah, not working. It's a bit weird.
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<ddd>
zenspider well i do if i want to continue helping my wife with her site which is written in php (i didn't write it, she paid for it. trying to convert her to a rails site)
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<zenspider>
want, not need. I said nobody HAS to deal with it.
<ddd>
ah i see your angle. ok, true
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<jtperreault>
exit
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<maloik>
man that github story is sickening
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<ljarvis>
heh
<apeiros>
zenspider: I wouldn't mind clearing the whole list
<apeiros>
people with connection problems I usually ban with nick!user@host$##ruby-fix-your-connection
<apeiros>
but I recently noticed that you need op in the target channel :-(
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<zenspider>
apeiros: elliottcable and dross are permabans. the rest I'm totally fine with clearing out and seeing how it falls out
<apeiros>
ok
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<zenspider>
looks like dag's ban was lifted
<zenspider>
and erikh should prolly stay, but I doubt he'd come back in
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<ohsix>
who are those people to ruby
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<zenspider>
people we've banned. that's who
<ohsix>
could have said 'nothing', too
<ohsix>
from the outside ruby is a bit opaque to me, if they represented some project or fork or something besides trololololling it'd be notable
<ohsix>
bans on freenode are unusal, too
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<apeiros>
ohsix: "bans on freenode are unusual" - how so?
<apeiros>
or rather: nonsense. a quick check on other channels shows it's rather usual.
<ohsix>
unless you watched a bunch being applied right this second, mode #channel b doesn't say much about anything
<Silex>
maloik: which one?
<ohsix>
people are talking as if they are all familiar with why the bans are there, that's why i asked
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<apeiros>
ohsix: the banlist not saying much isn't the same as bans being unusual
<apeiros>
and yeah, it's a shame bans can't be annotated with a reason. makes op'ing harder than necessary
<ohsix>
i'm not sure why you offered the banlist of some sort of counterpoint then
<ohsix>
they can't?
<ohsix>
on efnet generally you could use a # to put a comment for operators on various things
<ohsix>
dunno if you could with b though
<maloik>
Silex: the Julie Ann Horvoth one
<ohsix>
if they're banned for a 'reason' they'll usually come back and do it when the ban is removed, so it's easy to see why ;D
<apeiros>
ohsix: you say "bans are unusual on freenode" - what has that got to do with *banreasons*?
<ohsix>
(for the health of IRC reason, not out of band cant-work-together stuff)
<apeiros>
ohsix: I say it's not unusual, given that bans happened (proven by the banlist) on most channels
<ohsix>
02:12 < ohsix:#ruby-lang> people are talking as if they are all familiar with why the bans are there, that's why i asked
<ohsix>
oh jeeze
<ohsix>
you know that a ban could be set 10 years ago right
<ohsix>
once every year, perhaps
<ohsix>
then you'd have a ban list 10 entries long, over 10 years
<apeiros>
that's a valid point. just as bans can be and are removed.
<ohsix>
10 is 'a lot', and they tend to aggregate for spambots and things, not people
<apeiros>
so if you want truly usable data, you'll have to parse logfiles and count bans/unbans.
<ohsix>
also as some sort of counter example? /mode #pulseaudio b, huahaouh!
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<ohsix>
no, i don't want data, i have data; and if for some reason it was contingent on you telling me what i asked, i could provide it to you
<apeiros>
"I offer you a datapoint of 1 to counter your statistic!" awesome :-p
<ohsix>
beats zero, or every channel you checked the ban list of
<apeiros>
well, "blablabla". I'm not interested in this discussion.
<ohsix>
do you even know are you just wanting to be antagonistic, am i threatening someone by asking, i didn't mean to imply there was no reason
<ohsix>
it's doubly strange you started it then.
<apeiros>
*shrug*
<Silex>
maloik: thanks
<ohsix>
at the very least, people know a bunch of names and why they won't be unbanned, and another list of ones that will; what they got banned for in the first place was my question
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<ohsix>
in private is fine, i'm only curious if this is an irc thing or a ruby community thing
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<ohsix>
i'll qualify 'are' with 'in my experience', the literal idea that someone experience with freenode is different, is strange; i suppose if you hang out in distro channels or where there's people always causing deliberate trouble, it is different
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
<apeiros>
moin
<maloik>
o/
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<yorickpeterse>
So yeah, Github's response
<yorickpeterse>
At least they're trying to do the right thing by the looks of it
<yorickpeterse>
was going to spend some time on it this weekend but played video games instead
<bnagy>
these things happen
<maloik>
bear metal
<maloik>
:D
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<bnagy>
yorickpeterse: re threading though, that's a massive can o worms for webservers
<bnagy>
I mean as you know, obviously
<yorickpeterse>
Yes, but I'm not exactly sure what's causing it atm
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<bnagy>
I just don't know rack / puma
<yorickpeterse>
Initially I expected Rubinius::Channel#receive_timeout since it's at the top, but on second look the total runtime of that method is roughly the same as the thread lifetime
<yorickpeterse>
also Puma doesn't use it directly I believe
<yorickpeterse>
it's probably a bunch of small things that add up to it
<yorickpeterse>
still have to run it under Valgrind to see what it does in C++ land
<bnagy>
hrm. If I had to guess I'd guess 'one catastrophic thing'
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<bnagy>
I mean all the rest of rbx should be as fast / faster as anything jruby can emit
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<yorickpeterse>
Considering jruby has been around for much longer and has more people working on it I'm not entirely surprised
<yorickpeterse>
but I did expect the numbers to be closer to jruby
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<bnagy>
oh.. so it's threading / locking
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<bnagy>
spawn_thread and condvars ( who even uses those )
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<bnagy>
anyways bed
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<yorickpeterse>
night night
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<zenspider>
apeiros: I just came back and started to catch up and was about to offer up ohsix for one of the newly cleared ban slots. Glad to keep reading.
<zenspider>
apeiros: are you done cleaning? I don't know several of these
<zenspider>
should you tack on "##ruby-jackass" ?
<zenspider>
also, maybe an expiration date to make things easier?
<apeiros>
I think I'm done. but either due to a bug in limechat or freenode I get no response on /ban anymore :-/
<apeiros>
problem is, afaik there's no way to provide an expiration date
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<zenspider>
you got metered UNbanning? haha
<apeiros>
the $ tack on redirects the person there. and you must be op in that channel in order to be able to tack it on
<zenspider>
I just mean "##jackass-2014-03-20"
<apeiros>
yeah, means you have to join that channel first to gain op :)
<zenspider>
gotcha. I was hoping it was a raw comment
<apeiros>
yeah, that'd be really nice
<apeiros>
I wonder whether we should introduce a ban-bot
<apeiros>
which manages comment and expiration date
<zenspider>
meh. I'd be fine with a text file on github. :)
<zenspider>
(or whereever)
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<apeiros>
that's fine too with me
<apeiros>
certainly easier to get started :D
<zenspider>
prolly wouldn't take much elisp to clear all bans and reapply the whole file
<apeiros>
Onixs: if you have more specific questions, I gladly help. but right now, the question is akin of asking "can somebody please write this in ruby for me?", and I don't do that.
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<Onixs>
apeiros found a link that worked. anyway, Thanks man
<apeiros>
good :)
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<Onixs>
mu first ever ruby script :F
<Onixs>
err
<Onixs>
my* ;D
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<maloik>
yorickpeterse: what if someone from the future left a review ?
<yorickpeterse>
I doubt they would do so on some random Russian travel website nobody heard of
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<apeiros>
yorickpeterse: nobody heard of it *in our time*!
<yorickpeterse>
my god, it all makes sense now
<yorickpeterse>
except for that part where it's just Date.parse being stupid :P
<apeiros>
quick, buy stock options of that website's company
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<apeiros>
I wouldn't wonder if there was an old DIN norm around for it, though
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<apeiros>
and a quick search over it seems to reinforce my statement - all formats using . to separate date parts are dd.mm.yy(yy)
<apeiros>
i.e., Date.parse could be improved to correctly recognize that pattern
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<apeiros>
it'd be nice if Date.parse required a second argument: culture
<apeiros>
or country
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<yorickpeterse>
One small thing though:
<yorickpeterse>
These fucking websites don't follow standards
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<yorickpeterse>
they make up random date formats
<yorickpeterse>
also: I wrote a date parser that can handle locale crap
<yorickpeterse>
basically just uses YAML files + String#gsub
<yorickpeterse>
then passes it to Date.parse / Date.strptime
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<yorickpeterse>
it currently does...
<yorickpeterse>
English, Cebuano, Spanish, French, Japanese, Dutch and Russian
<yorickpeterse>
the rest mostly use ISO dates Date.parse can handle (thank god)
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<apeiros>
I'd probably use a large table of regexen with a regex => strptime format table - and non-matches I'd log (to add them) and pass through Date.parse
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<yorickpeterse>
well, usually what we end up parsing is something like "01 Janvier 2014", so in that case we only need to gsub the month name
<yorickpeterse>
The regexp thing doesn't work nicely for for example Japanese
<apeiros>
how do japanese dates look like?
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<whitequark>
2008年12月31日
<whitequark>
pretty convenient to parse if you ask me
<whitequark>
it's basically ISO format
<yorickpeterse>
eh, the numbers aren't even always there
<yorickpeterse>
e.g.
<yorickpeterse>
三日 五月 2014
<apeiros>
day name, month name and year?
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<apeiros>
should be doable with regex too, no?
<apeiros>
I mean it's 7 day names and 12 month names
<yorickpeterse>
Yes, but I prefer to do it language -> language
<yorickpeterse>
instead of a massive lookup table with regexps
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<yorickpeterse>
but yes, it would be an option too
<yorickpeterse>
downside is that if somebody changes the format you also have to add entries for it
<yorickpeterse>
e.g.
<apeiros>
I think about a 5-10 regexen would actually be enough to cover all
<yorickpeterse>
三日-五月-2014
<apeiros>
d'oh, not 7 day names - 31 actually
<apeiros>
the japanese have a name for every day in a month? or do they have for every day in a year? or is it just the number written out?
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<yorickpeterse>
Every day of the month
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<apeiros>
anyway, I'd do it like: day = /\d+|#{Regexp.union(japanese_daynames)/; patterns = {/#{day}-#{month}-#{year}/ => '%d-%m-%y', …}; patterns.each …; string.gsub(names, names_to_numbers); Date.parse
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<chris2>
have there been any ideas on porting python 3's asyncio to ruby?
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<toretore>
chris2: you mean as part of the implementation or a library?
<chris2>
both
<chris2>
apparently its a pure python library
<chris2>
but i'm not sure we can do this "yield from" in ruby
<toretore>
yield from isn't possible, but implicit yielding is
<toretore>
i'm currently working on something similar
<apeiros>
what does "yield from" do?
<toretore>
it's kind of like Fiber.yield in ruby
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<toretore>
except Fiber.yield can happen deeper down the stack
<toretore>
or up the stack i guess
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<apeiros>
o0
<apeiros>
ok, still not sure what it'd do :)
<toretore>
you know how fibers work?
<toretore>
or coroutines in general
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<apeiros>
yes
<apeiros>
a kind of cooperative multitasking iirc
<apeiros>
you have priority until you say you're done
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<toretore>
ok, so with fibers you can call Fiber.yield anywhere, so if you're calling a method that calls another, etc, that last one can yield the fiber
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<toretore>
but in asyncio i think only the original function can `yield from`
<toretore>
as in python functions are coroutines, but in ruby it's fibers
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<toretore>
i'm not entirely familiar with asyncio though, so take this with a grain of salt
<apeiros>
ok
<apeiros>
thanks for the explanation!
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<toretore>
np, i've been on a async learning bender for a while, so i find the topic interesting :)
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<yorickpeterse>
not yet capable of hosting intergalactic LAN parties
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<whitequark>
intergalactic, uh
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<yorickpeterse>
yes yes I know that's not very local
<whitequark>
no, I mean
<whitequark>
there's about... at most eight turns to be made before photosynthesis on earth goes extinct
<yorickpeterse>
and yes, intergalactic != interplanetary
<yorickpeterse>
eh?
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<whitequark>
iirc: diameter of Milky Way ~ 100 Kly. time left before C3 photosynthesis becomes impossible due to CO2 concentration becoming too long: 800 My
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<yorickpeterse>
well it depends on whether we'll always be limited by the speed of light
<centrx>
You'll never be able to calculate jumps with this level of concentration
<yorickpeterse>
believe ™
<centrx>
*hyperjumps
<yorickpeterse>
Fucking Einstein and his theories
<yorickpeterse>
speed of light maximum speed my fucking butt
<yorickpeterse>
we should be able to at least go 3x faster
<yorickpeterse>
if not 5x
<yorickpeterse>
I've hereby decided that
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that no information can cross space faster than light
<yorickpeterse>
I'm well aware of this
<whitequark>
I mean, otherwise time travel becomes possible
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<yorickpeterse>
actually
<centrx>
We are travelling through time right now
<yorickpeterse>
There are plenty of theories about that being possible
<yorickpeterse>
the other day I watched some Neil de grass typhon video about how supposedly you can travel back in time when you're between two black holes
<bougyman>
whitequark: there are also theories postulating that information can.
<yorickpeterse>
Implying you wanted to instead of getting the fuck out
<bougyman>
time get's all fucked up near the singularity, even near the event horizon
<apeiros>
obviously future humanity has a reason not to travel back in time. otherwise they'd visit us and improve the world.
<yorickpeterse>
well doh
<yorickpeterse>
I mean look at us
<yorickpeterse>
I wouldn't travel back in time for that
<yorickpeterse>
hell no
<yorickpeterse>
perhaps I'd travel to 1942 to punch a certain someone in the face, but that would be it
<whitequark>
42?
<apeiros>
33
<yorickpeterse>
yeah whatever, WW2
<yorickpeterse>
close enough
<whitequark>
ah, I thought you wanted to punch Dijkstra
<yorickpeterse>
hahaha
<yorickpeterse>
No I'd write him an angry letter from the future
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<yorickpeterse>
"Dijkstra godverdomme kap eens met die arrogante bullshit"
<yorickpeterse>
(enjoy translating that)
<yorickpeterse>
haha, Google translate gives back total garbage
<yorickpeterse>
it also thinks it's Afrikaans :<
<surrounder>
lol
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<threeifbywhiskey>
Is Ruby /the/ programming language for stoners?
<centrx>
No?
<threeifbywhiskey>
Classes-are-24/7 seems like something that sort of person would want in a language.
<threeifbywhiskey>
I should probably clarify that I'm praising and not demeaning Ruby.
<centrx>
Most programming language support high uptime
<threeifbywhiskey>
I know there's a joke in there, but I can't think of an Erlang comeback.
<threeifbywhiskey>
I should learn Elixir.
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<threeifbywhiskey>
So, it seems like it's possible to write any program in Ruby without using any alphanumerics.
<threeifbywhiskey>
Tom Stuart showed us that all we need are Procs to do FizzBuzz, but he couldn't use real Ruby numbers and strings in his programs.
<threeifbywhiskey>
We can get numbers and strings without alphanumerics in Ruby.
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<threeifbywhiskey>
Does a language have to be Turing-complete to be able to host a FizzBuzz implementation?
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<[spoiler]>
threeifbywhiskey lolwat
<threeifbywhiskey>
You could be laughing at many of the things I've said.
<threeifbywhiskey>
I'm a little talkative at the moment, perhaps too much so.
<[spoiler]>
k g2g see ya guys
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<whitequark>
fizzbuzz, no
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<whitequark>
you can have a language with a single valid program, ".", meaning "execute fizzbuzz"
<threeifbywhiskey>
Erm... I've implemented FizzBuzz without using any alphanumerics.
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<threeifbywhiskey>
Oh, right, never mind.
<threeifbywhiskey>
But do you think non-alphanumeric Ruby is Turing-complete?
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<threeifbywhiskey>
The only thing we can't do without alphanumerics in Ruby is receive input.
<threeifbywhiskey>
We can generate numbers, strings, arrays. We can do output, looping, recursion, but we can't reverse-shovel $<.
<threeifbywhiskey>
I'm just saying Ruby is a pretty amazing language.
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