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<dingus_khan> does it make sense to use a module to create instances of objects?
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<apeiros_> dingus_khan: that question is so vague and unspecific, you could as well have asked "does it make sense to write code?"
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<jerseybyte> boom!
<CookieJar> apeiros, does it make sense to write using characters?
<CookieJar> ( ¬‿¬)
<apeiros> CookieJar: no. it's considered bad practice. stop using characters in your writings altogether.
<CookieJar> uh...
<CookieJar> hmm...
<CookieJar> I can't type in heiroglyphs...
<apeiros> I said stop using characters! will you already?! :D
<CookieJar> heh
<apeiros> I think hieroglyphs count as characters too
<CookieJar> yeah
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<CookieJar> more serious though, any reccomended reading for a beginner to ruby besides what is available on ruby-lang.org/en?
<jerseybyte> CookieJar, try http://iwanttolearnruby.com/
<CookieJar> ah, thanks jerseybyte
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<maloik_> morning
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<maloik_> yorickpeterse: you weren't at the beachparty?
<maloik_> I completely forgot you were going to baruco until I saw your lightning talk, so I decided to grab you at the beach but didn't spot you anymore
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<ledestin> darix: a nice way to talk to yourself
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<yorickpeterse> maloik_: I was, did we just completely miss each other? :<
<yorickpeterse> also hm 13:00, I better shower and get some breakfast
<yorickpeterse> last day in Barceona
<yorickpeterse> * Barcelona
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<maloik_> already at work :(
<maloik_> and yea apparently we did, sucks
<maloik_> I even wandered through the crowd a couple times looking for people I knew but hadn't spoken yet, never saw you i suppose
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<yorickpeterse> I was spreading the word of our lord and saviour Rubinius
<yorickpeterse> Oddly enough, many people move away from Ruby due to perf reasons without checking out JRuby/Rbx
<yorickpeterse> "Oh so we rewrote that thing in Scala" - "Did you check out Rubinius/JRuby?" - "Ehm no not really, not sure why we didn't"
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<maloik_> :-)
<ruby-lang912> hi, can anyone explain what this hash here means please #{app_config['config_dir']}"
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<maloik_> I don't think anyone can without knowing how/where it was defined
<maloik_> do a project-wide search for app_config
<yorickpeterse> bah, seems this is one of those countries where shit's closed on Monday
<maloik_> I imagine this is a Rails project? if so, you'll be able to find it in an initializer
<maloik_> yorickpeterse: they're having siesta time probably?
<maloik_> We usually went for starbucks, pretty safe bet in terms of opening hours
<yorickpeterse> I was going to starbucks later today to do some hacking
<yorickpeterse> (yes I'm a nerd)
<ruby-lang912> I just need to know what the hash stands for, i don't understand that syntax and I can't find an explanation for it so far
<surrounder> yorickpeterse: hipster more ;)
<yorickpeterse> surrounder: don't have a macbook
<yorickpeterse> ruby-lang912: #{} is used for embedding Ruby code in a string
<surrounder> damn, and you're allowed at starbucks?
<yorickpeterse> app_config['config_dir'] just accesses the "config_dir" key from the app_config hash
<ruby-lang912> directory "#{app_config['config_dir']}" do
<yorickpeterse> surrounder: so far I've never been denied
<surrounder> hehe
<surrounder> they opened this other hipsterplace in town here too called 'bagels and beans', had never heard of that one before but the hipsterness is huge
<surrounder> doesn't quite fit this town
<[spoiler]> "the hispterness"
<ruby-lang912> Ah, brilliant thank you , I'm trying to write my first chef cookbook and come across that syntax
<yorickpeterse> surrounder: dude, bagels and beans is as old as can be
<yorickpeterse> they've been around for years
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<surrounder> so I've heard, never encountered them before though
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<yorickpeterse> sssshhhiiii, there's an egyptian museum nearby too
<yorickpeterse> Fuck Gaudi, I want to see that
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<maloik_> oooh, he meant the # character :-)
<yorickpeterse> man gaudi must've been dropping a lot of acid
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<yorickpeterse> ok 3 museums should do, I'm off, toodles
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<[spoiler]> Hmm. Are Ruby strings interpolated at runtime?
<[spoiler]> also, is it implementation-defined or not
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<toretore> [spoiler]: [true,false]
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<[spoiler]> toretore, thanks :P
<apeiros> [spoiler]: ruby only has run time :)
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<[spoiler]> apeiros, I meant to ask whether the interpreter "expands" the literal before it executes that bit of bytecode it or whether it just blindly generates a new string, then interpolates it again
<[spoiler]> -it after bytecode
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<h4b0> hi all :)
<centrx> !hi
<h4b0> i have one question about poltergeist-capybara-angular, anyone can help?
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<centrx> h4b0, a) best results if you just ask the question
<centrx> h4b0, b) also try #ruby and #rubyonrails
<h4b0> hmm, thanks :)
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<h4b0> I made autocomplete directive in angular with jquery-ui and it working fine on website, but i have problem with pass integration test(capybara). I use poltergeist as driver with phantomjs.
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<h4b0> The problem is that, i use watch function for input, which giving permission to autocomplete after written hash.
<h4b0> watch function in angular ofc.
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<h4b0> hmm and this is funny cuz when i break test with binding.pry and i manually write instructions that working fine :)
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<maloik_> Is there more coming? Perhaps it's me (and my complete lack of understanding of how Angular works) but I don't see a question
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<maloik_> We'll need to see code, logs, errors to help I imagine
<h4b0> sure :)
<h4b0> sec
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<maloik_> Most likely won't be able to answer myself (leaving soon), but you'll need it anyway if you want other people to be able to help
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<h4b0> http://pastebin.com/DqQnvANa - watch function
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<bougyman> what lib would you use for a beanstalk consumer that had to be always running?
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<darix> bougyman: isnt the part "what you do with the data consumed by that consumer" almost more important?
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<bougyman> darix: yes, just trying to hear from someone actually using one.
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<darix> bougyman: i am sorry. we dont use it. we use delayed_job and sidekiq
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<darix> but sidekiq only because discourse is using it
<bougyman> I have a very solid worker that uses em::beanstalk.
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<bougyman> but em::beanstalk hasn't had love in 2 years.
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<bougyman> we tried backburner on a project and it's failing miserably
<darix> bougyman: does it *need* love?
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<darix> bougyman: something eventmachine based would have been my first thought too :)
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<toretore> bougyman: why are you looking to change something that is already "solid"?
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<darix> toretore: well the question to move to something maintained is not that bad. if you get stuck on old code that noone cares about anymore, is not a good situation either
<toretore> how do you know it's not "maintained"?
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<toretore> lack of commits is not it
<toretore> unresolved issues, maybe
<toretore> nobody ever considers that a lack of commits just means that something is stable, done
<darix> toretore: that's why i asked if it needs love :p
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<toretore> ok
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<headius> Steve-W: same bug in JRuby...I think it's a psych bug
<Steve-W> headius: intriguing
<headius> we don't use the same C code but my Java version of Psych is a direct port
<headius> we do share the same .rb code
<headius> we = jruby
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<Steve-W> Is syck still available these days as a test?
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<headius> I think it is on rbx... not on JRuby 1.7
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<headius> syck was a mess though
<headius> and it was never updated for encodings at all...I'd be surprised if it worked
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<Steve-W> I regarded the problem as one of serialising the object rather than actually working with encodings
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<apeiros> Steve-W: there's a syck gem, yes
<apeiros> we use it even in a ruby 2.1 app because of shared data and syck/psych incompatibilities
<Steve-W> danke
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<Steve-W> Syck does it too
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<Steve-W> Does anyone know a viable alternative to fork() in windows? Some of my users are low on cutlery.
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<waxjar> i think Process.spawn works on windows, not sure tho
<Steve-W> I'm using fork to split a currently running process at the moment
<Steve-W> Am I right in thinking that spawn doesn't take a block?
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<waxjar> yeah. it's not really an alternative for fork, tbh. it'll just start a new process, probably not what you need
<Steve-W> Is there *any* way? I'm struggling even to think of a way to refactor this in terms of launching a process
<Steve-W> (It's a CGI script that forks and leaves behind a copy of itself on a long-running job, so there's tons of state)
<apeiros> if you're masochistic - I think cygwin gives you fork on windows
<apeiros> well, you're caring for windows users, so I guess the question of whether you're masochistic is already answered :D
<Steve-W> haha
<Steve-W> Someone wants a local copy for a presentation, this was never something I planned :-)
<apeiros> VM
<Steve-W> Sladgehammer vs nut I reckon
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<Steve-W> unless I can just bundle cygwin for this one shot
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<apeiros> it is *so* *very* *much* less trouble to just use a VM
<Steve-W> mmm, I'm drifting in that direction now
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<Steve-W> Time to run some nested VMs to test :-)
<waxjar> if it's a one-off thing, making a vm image for the guy is probably the easiest yeah
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<Steve-W> I can then just give him a flash key
<Steve-W> woo, finally a use for my super-fast flash drive
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<apeiros> every use of a flash drive is a use for a super fast flash drive!
* apeiros impatient
<Steve-W> Well that's why I got it, but I find that every use for a flash drive is a use for scp
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<apeiros> Steve-W: I wish I could scp/rsync between the systems I use flash for :-(
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<imperator> brb, implementing fork on windows
<Steve-W> Sorry, does that question come up here a lot?
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<imperator> not a lot but sometimes
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<Steve-W> "if cygwin can do it..." :-)
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<Steve-W> Through the power of 'lowering user expectations' I have merely made that bit of code synchronous :-)
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<hramrach> hello
<hramrach> where is some example for opengl in ruby?
<hramrach> http://ruby-opengl.rubyforge.org/ does not seem alive
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<wallerdev> opengl would be so slow with ruby lol
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<hramrach> why?
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<wallerdev> because ruby is a lot slower than C
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<hramrach> and OpenGL is done on the GPU ...
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<wallerdev> well all the code you need to run each frame to determine what to draw using opengl isnt done on the gpu?
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<hramrach> like the same as last frame?
<wallerdev> oh you're drawing a static scene with opengl? lol
<hramrach> for it to change the user must move it. that's even slower than ruby
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<wallerdev> alright
<wallerdev> go for it :)
<wallerdev> looks like theres some options if you search ruby opengl bindings
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<hramrach> I found a teapot sample
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<hramrach> should be good enough to translate same random language OpenGL to ruby
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<whitequark> opengl doesn't have to be slow with ruby, especially if you use VBOs
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<jbardin> yea the promise of ruby game / opengl frameworks always seem to fall short in my experience
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<pipework> Open source promises are cheap.
<jbardin> opengl can be done in the in-effecient way, or the effecient way… so its possible… but then you get into deep object /scene graphs and high object orientating of your code and it starts to fall apart
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<jbardin> so then you tweak the graphics layers to speed things up, then you get re-CPU bound on the AI / pathfinding bits and or really tight loops over alot of objects and it falls apart again
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<whitequark> yeah, I'm not in fact saying that Ruby is great for 3D games
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<whitequark> just that opengl likely isn't going to be the bottleneck
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<whitequark> (or ruby/opengl interface)
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<jdecuirm> Hi! i need some help with a little problem! can anyone guide me?!
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<jdecuirm> It might be simple but i'm not catching why is it wrong
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<ericwood> don't ask to ask! just ask!
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<jdecuirm> Sorry i'm new here x3
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<ericwood> it's a good rule in general for IRC
<ericwood> anyways what's up?
<jdecuirm> Well, it's about a method!
<jdecuirm> por example
<momomomomo> !ask
<jdecuirm> Let me go to a page to paste code!
<momomomomo> How to ask good questions and get great answers: http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html
<momomomomo> jdecuirm: http://gist.github.com
<jdecuirm> hahahaha
<jdecuirm> Ok
<jdecuirm> this is the code!
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<jdecuirm> Im getting the set_name : wrong number of arguments (1 for 0)
<momomomomo> jdecuirm: read the link
<momomomomo> jdecuirm: paste your full trace
<momomomomo> it also seems that from what you pasted, you’re calling set_name with an argument (line 3)
<redtomahawk> jdecuirm: you need `def set_name(name)`
<momomomomo> set_name doesn’t take an argument
<jdecuirm> I wanna die, now i see, the first time the example does not have (name) and the second example does
<jdecuirm> ..Thanks a lot lol
<redtomahawk> :)
<jdecuirm> I'm quite new to Ruby, so thanks for the help!
<redtomahawk> good luck!
<ericwood> enjoy your ruby adventures
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<jdecuirm> Thanks a lot redtomahawk! i hope i don't die trying. Can you suggest me any page with exercises to learn better? and practice?
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<momomomomo> jdecuirm: yes, there are a number of books on ruby
<redtomahawk> jdecuirm: a quick google search will find many ruby tutorials ... I think its good to just try and build something simple with ruby and research questions as you go
<momomomomo> The Well Grounded Rubyist is good
<momomomomo> once you’re done wiht that, go on to MetaProgramming in ruby, or an intermediate book before that
<momomomomo> TWGR will get you pretty far
<womble> For things to write to develop your skills, there's not a lot better than standard (basic) Unix utilities like cat, cp, mv, grep, etc
<womble> I like 'strings' as a simple puzzle program
<jdecuirm> Oh, well, i was with the Beginning Ruby
<jdecuirm> I want to learn ruby, to go for Rails, i'm an iOS developer, and i need a backend
<redtomahawk> womble's ideas are good
<jdecuirm> but, paying for BaaS is not my style
<redtomahawk> smart, imho BaaS is seldom worth it anyways :)
<redtomahawk> DIY!
<redtomahawk> lol
<jdecuirm> So, The Well Grounded Rubyist is a great option?
<jdecuirm> I was thinking TWGR and Eloquent Ruby, then jump right for Rails
<djbkd> I'm a big fan of POODR
<djbkd> (no fecal matter)
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<momomomomo> bleh, I’ve never heard of it
<redtomahawk> _carefully clicks link_
<redtomahawk> lol
<jdecuirm> hahahaha
<momomomomo> and TWGR is honestly pretty standard and very thorough
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<jdecuirm> I'm in Ubuntu, using rvm, i made the mistake to "build" with the netbeans plug in and now i don't know where is the trashy gem i created lol
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<redtomahawk> lol ... law of leaky abstractions?
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<momomomomo> jdecuirm: ‘gem environment'
<momomomomo> oh, you built with an IDE? ask the ide
<redtomahawk> netbeans took your gem hostage!
<djbkd> TWGR is a solid book, too. The Ruby Programming Language by matz and david flanagan was pretty solid, too.
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<jdecuirm> hahahaha that was a mistake! i guess i'll stick with Aptana or at least sublime text 2 lol
<redtomahawk> text editors are really good when learning new things because they don't do everything for you ...
<redtomahawk> IDE's tend to hide details from you, which can make your more productive, but hurt learning if you don't know the details
<redtomahawk> imo
<jdecuirm> in fact i learned that way :P, but for sake of simplicity with the ctrl + space to complete methods...
<redtomahawk> s/your/you
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<redtomahawk> whichever works for you :)
<jdecuirm> first i'll find the created gem, and delete it! hahahaha
<redtomahawk> +1
<redtomahawk> lol
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<jdecuirm> ....
<jdecuirm> in the method def name
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<jdecuirm> i just put @first_name + ' ' + @last_name
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<jdecuirm> and i get the error undefined method + for nil:NilClass
<redtomahawk> try "#{@first_name} #{@last_name}"
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<jdecuirm> yes it works with interpolation! but why is not working according the book xD?
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<jdecuirm> One more question! TWGR is for beginner or medium or advanced :0
<momomomomo> it’s good for all levels
<jdecuirm> Oh
<jdecuirm> well
<jdecuirm> *throwing the other book, reading the other*
<ledestin> jdecuirm: one of the fields is nil, that’s why it behaves like that
<jdecuirm> Then that sucks! cuz' i used the split method to get both :/
<jdecuirm> I'll recheck the code! Thanks ledestin!
<ledestin> I think interpolation is faster than +, there are 2 new strings created with +, and I suppose there’s only one with interpolation
<ledestin> jdecuirm: you’re welcome
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<zenspider> jdecuirm: your @first_name value is nil, and you're calling #+ on it, which doesn't exist. Can you show your split code?
<zenspider> ledestin: not necessarily faster, per se, but it creates less garbage
<zenspider> another way that I like is Array#join
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<ruby-lang007> Anyone know how to catch rspec exceptions? im trying to run a bunch in a loop and pass if one of them passes?
<jdecuirm> Ok! let me show you!
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<zenspider> ruby-lang007: you're trying to do WHAT?
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<zenspider> that doesn't sound like good testing practices
<jdecuirm> the method def set_name
<zenspider> jdecuirm: 1) use attr_accessor, not methods that start with "set_"
<ruby-lang007> im trying to test an array of objects, that one of them will match the expectations
<jdecuirm> Oh, it's just the part of the learning in the book :P
<zenspider> second, `def set_name` but you're calling `set_name(name)`, which obviously won't work
<jdecuirm> Yes, i fixed that with the def set_name(name)
<zenspider> third, as pointed out in your comments, you're typo'ing @first_name on line 7, which is the real problem
<jdecuirm> Yes i just saw it! Thanks!
<zenspider> going back to #1) `def name= name`, then remove set_first_name and set_last_name entirely. Replace with `attr_accessor :first_name, :last_name`
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<jdecuirm> Yeah, is that i was following the book example xd but thanks!
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<ruby-lang007> <zenspider> something like this http://pastie.org/9557287
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