#ruby on 2012-01-25 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2011-11-28 00:09 Topic for #ruby is now Ruby programming language || ruby-lang.org || RUBY SUMMER OF CODE! rubysoc.org/ || Paste >3 lines of text in http://pastie.org || Para a nossa audiencia em portugues http://ruby-br.org/

00:00 <banisterfiend> Boohbah: no problem

00:02 <Boohbah> fflush - Last seen : Oct 14 13:11:08 2011 (14 weeks, 4 days, 10:50:35 ago)

00:02 <Boohbah> :(

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00:10 <Boohbah> jaysern: sounds like a PATH issue

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00:13 <jaysern> Boohbah: thanks. i just changed up the order in the PATH and that appears to have solved it

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00:23 <Boohbah> おはようございます！

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00:25 <banisterfiend> Boohbah: you're japanese?

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00:25 <Boohbah> banisterfiend: no, but i have studied the language

00:25 <heftig> おはよう

00:27 <Boohbah> heftig: お元気ですか?

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00:28 <heftig> sorry, i can only read hiragana and some basic sentences

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00:28 <heftig> though you probably just asked me if I am お元気, whatever that means

00:29 <heftig> anyway, off to sleep

00:29 <banisterfiend> german is similar to japanese in some ways right? in that your verb is at the end

00:29 <heftig> おやすみなさい

00:29 <sdferfx> how can I raise an exception I've just caught?

00:29 <heftig> banisterfiend: no

00:30 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: raise $!

00:30 <banisterfiend> heftig: but the verb is at the end in german, right?

00:30 <heftig> no

00:30 <banisterfiend> hmm, i was told it was

00:30 <heftig> you have the same basic "subject verb object" structure

00:30 <heftig> Fritz isst Nudeln.

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00:31 <heftig> good night :p

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00:31 <heftig> (same as english, i mean)

00:31 <banisterfiend> heftigZzzzz: nite

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00:32 <Boohbah> heftigZzzzz: お大事に

00:33 <michaelh_> for those of you who heard my complaining earlier about dd/mm/yyyy default input in active record and Date.parse: https://github.com/michaeldhopkins/Americanizer :P

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00:35 <Boohbah> http://tatoeba.org/eng/

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00:35 <shevy> michaelh_: hmm I consistently use dd.mm.yyyy

00:35 <Boohbah> michaelh_: neat :)

00:37 <shevy> I don't have a that strong objection to yyyy.mm.dd, though I don't like it, but mm.dd.yyyy is clearly the thought construct of someone who is drunk. what is the rationale to have months get the highest priority when counting?

00:37 <Boohbah> shevy: british people

00:37 <shevy> :(

00:37 <shevy> they still drive the wrong way, don't they?

00:37 <michaelh_> probably because month names are badass, named after gods and emperors and stuff.

00:37 <Boohbah> they do, just like the japanese :)

00:37 <shevy> hmm

00:38 <shevy> if people could just agree on the same things!

00:38 <shevy> which units to use ... which way to drive ... which currency to accept ...

00:38 <Boohbah> i like the metric system and yyyy/mm/dd

00:39 <shevy> just realized noone mentioned yyyy/dd/mm yet :)

00:39 <Boohbah> shevy: then we would have a one-world government with a shadow conspiracy!

00:39 <Boohbah> jk

00:39 <shevy> well corruption exists everywhere even without any mystic conspiracy :P

00:40 <Boohbah> but ruby was designed to make us happy, so let's leave the politics out :)

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00:41 <michaelh_> Boohbah: :)

00:41 <michaelh_> question: do most of you use github for your repo?

00:43 <Boohbah> github is popular

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00:44 <sdferfx> can I import any ruby file as a class on ri?

00:45 <sdferfx> this file is not instantiating objects but the system is configured such that it doesn't show me the failure until they attempt to use an instance

00:45 <shevy> michaelh_ yeah it's quite convenient to use

00:45 <shevy> much nicer than rubyforge etc...

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00:45 <sdferfx> going through rake

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00:50 <sdferfx> How can I evaluate a class file?

00:50 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: require it

00:50 <sdferfx> banisterfiend, right, but this is not telling me why it dies

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00:51 <sdferfx> I get an error when I try to use the instaniated class but not beforehand

00:51 <sdferfx> it just calls my imported class nilClass and says NoMethodError

00:51 <sdferfx> so I want to learn what in my class is broken

00:51 <banisterfiend> gist

00:52 <sdferfx> banisterfiend, can't gist it, contians infinity proprietary information

00:52 <sdferfx> there's no way for me to amke the thing raise?

00:52 <sdferfx> it's being called from within a rails app

00:52 <sdferfx> with rake and all that funny business

00:53 <banisterfiend> sd infinity?

00:54 <banisterfiend> what is 'infinity' ?

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00:55 <sdferfx> banisterfiend, infinity is a number so large I could never remove the proprietary content in time to post it in a pastebin

00:55 <banisterfiend> sdferfx: oh ok, 'an infinite amount of proprietary information', what you said was ungrammatical

00:56 <sdferfx> ok

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01:58 <macmartine> I'm in a Rails app, but this is a ruby-debug issue. Any ideas? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8996498/ruby-debug-with-pow-breakpoints-never-hit

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02:30 <macmartine> Any of you Ruby peeps know what could be going on with this ruby-debug issue? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8996498/ruby-debug-with-pow-breakpoints-never-hit

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02:35 <shevy> macmartine I dont use ruby-debug myself

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02:50 <yoshie902a> what is the best way to supress the return value. for example, if I set "x=5" ruby returns 5, I do not want to see the 5

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02:51 <yoshie902a> anyone here?

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03:08 <yoshie902a> boy its quite in here

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03:09 <ryanf> yoshie902a: quite what?

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03:11 <yoshie902a> sorry, I meant Quiet

03:12 <yoshie902a> ryanf: any idea how to suppress output in the console? for example x=3, I want to suppress the return of 3

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03:17 <ryanf> yoshie902a: x = 3 ;0

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03:17 <ryanf> or ;nil

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03:18 <yoshie902a> thanks

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03:29 <Jeaye> Hello.

03:31 <Jeaye> I'm looking to make a web application that allows me to browse video files in a directory and then choose one for (optionally fullscreen) viewing. I've never written Ruby before, but I'm an experience C++ programmer. How reasonable is this, and is Ruby (with Rails) a suitable language?

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03:31 <poisonar1s> Can anyone recommend a decent implementation of GTK for Ruby?

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03:32 <xissburg> test

03:32 <Jeaye> xissburg: Can't hear you.

03:32 <Jeaye> Speak louder into your mic.

03:32 <Jeaye> :P

03:34 <cobragoat> Jeaye: check 1 2... yes

03:35 <Jeaye> cobragoat: Loud 'n' clear.

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03:36 <xissburg> T E S T

03:37 <Jeaye> xissburg: Are you there?

03:37 <xissburg> is there a ruby gem for networking?

03:37 <Jeaye> -_-

03:37 <xissburg> I think so

03:37 <Jeaye> xissburg: Say something if you're there.

03:37 <xissburg> I mean, one that will abstract sockets and stuff and will properly handle multiple connections

03:37 * xissburg says somethinf

03:37 <xissburg> faik

03:37 <xissburg> fail

03:37 <xissburg> double fail

03:37 <cobragoat> Jeaye: pretty reasonable and suitable...

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03:39 <xissburg> >

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03:43 <shevy> poisonar1s what? ruby-gtk does not work for you?

03:44 <shevy> poisonar1s: http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.jp/

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03:45 <poisonar1s> shevy: I can't seem to get it to install =\

03:45 <poisonar1s> and im not getting any helpful error messages

03:45 <poisonar1s> just the whole "PROBABLY because of this or this or this"

03:46 <shevy> poisonar1s what message do you get

03:46 <poisonar1s> "Could not create Makefile due to some reason, probably lack of

03:46 <poisonar1s> necessary libraries and/or headers."

03:46 <shevy> if you use some shit like debian, you must uncripple the packages first. i.e. install the header files in the -dev packages

03:46 <shevy> yeah, that is 99,9% because you lack some header, or even a library

03:46 <poisonar1s> hmm

03:46 <poisonar1s> im on OSX

03:46 <shevy> oh

03:46 <shevy> ok

03:47 <shevy> no idea about OSX :)

03:47 <shevy> I use only linux and windows. ruby-gtk works fine on both

03:47 <poisonar1s> ill figure it out later

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04:17 <tsd_usa> Hi guys

04:18 <tsd_usa> I Created a ruby gem called "cpp_engine", a build system for C++ projects. It's pushed to rubygems.org.

04:18 <tsd_usa> https://rubygems.org/gems/cpp_engine

04:19 <tsd_usa> just started, I am really bored with those existing build system, like Make...

04:20 <banisterfiend> tsd_usa: github page?

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04:20 <tsd_usa> will push to github later...

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04:20 <tsd_usa> what do you guys use to build c++ files??

04:21 <tsd_usa> I just don't want to reinvent the wheels...

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04:22 <artOfWar> I'm trying to build latest version of ruby package from source, is there a version that is optimized for use with phusion or something like that?

04:24 <shevy> artOfWar dont think so, sounds rather exotic

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04:25 <artOfWar> shevy: I know, this is what I found so far http://www.rubyenterpriseedition.com/ what do you think?

04:25 <tsd_usa> :artOfWar use REE

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04:26 <shevy> no idea artOfWar, seems totally unnecessary to me

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04:28 <artOfWar> shevy: I'm not interested to do either, had no choice :(

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04:38 <shevy> well I compile ruby from source all the time

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05:12 <doug___> hey was up

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05:17 <poisonar1s> In Ruby, is it possible to access variables in one script from another?

05:18 <tsd_usa> I don't think so. Even if you can, it's not what you should do in most cases

05:19 <tsd_usa> you should make it belongs to an object or a module, or……global

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05:20 <poisonar1s> Well I'm making a game and I'm trying to figure out how I can separate everything into different files, but would like to access certain things from the main script. Hmm, I'll think of something, thanks.

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05:27 <doug___> how come ruby is so popular

05:27 <doug___> ?

05:27 <tsd_usa> is ruby so popular?

05:28 <tsd_usa> :poisonar1s you should design your solution in an OO way

05:29 <tsd_usa> things should be accessed from different objects

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05:32 <RubyPanther> poisonar1s: Ruby generally expects you to use a traditional *nix approach with IPC and avoid shared memory

05:33 <RubyPanther> my recommendation is to use dbus because that is portable and lacks the constraints of the older methods

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05:38 <nivoc> hey

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05:52 <Phrogz> Program my Enumerators for me: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8998397/explicitly-yielding-n-values-to-symbolto-proc

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06:08 <brownies> hey -- recommended IDE for Ruby/Rails work on Ubuntu?

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06:17 <trend> netbeans is my fav, and even has a linux flav

06:17 <epochwolf|vps> brownies: I know of komondo, eclipse or netbeans

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06:19 <brownies> thanks trend, epochwolf|vps ... will check them out

06:19 <brownies> bringing on a new dev and he's on Ubuntu

06:19 <epochwolf|vps> brownies: give him vim

06:20 <trend> np

06:20 <brownies> that's what i said! hah

06:20 <deryl> cn also check out latest RubyMine as it supports RVM, but it takes a bit of reading the docs to get that squared

06:20 <deryl> but its a decent IDE if you need an IDE

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06:22 <savage-> Phrogz: I just answered your stackoverflow question. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8998397/explicitly-yielding-n-values-to-symbolto-proc/8998680#8998680

06:23 <banisterfiend> savage-: are you of french ancestry?

06:23 <banisterfiend> your last name is interesting

06:23 <savage-> banisterfiend: yes, I'm from Louisiana. :)

06:23 <savage-> my grandparents can speak cajun french, but I can't.

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06:24 <banisterfiend> savage-: wow cool

06:24 <banisterfiend> savage-: can you do cajun cooking though? :)

06:24 <shevy> let's do cajun sex

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06:25 <savage-> yes a little bit

06:25 <savage-> gumbo and stuff

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06:27 <banisterfiend> savage-: can you make a jumbalaya

06:27 <savage-> my mom can :)

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06:30 <shevy> hmm

06:31 <shevy> so all the talent is in the grandparents and parents

06:31 <shevy> :(

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06:37 <banisterfiend> ANSWER ME THIS

06:38 <banisterfiend> what the heck is the point of required_ruby_version if stupid rubygems still trys to install the gem on unmatched ruby versions

06:38 <oddmunds> prose?

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07:47 <nivoc> .

07:48 <banisterfiend> nivoc: am i you and are you me?

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07:49 <bhavesh_a_p> object.nil? and object.blank? both are same ? in term of function

07:49 <nivoc> possible. are you an genius?

07:49 <bhavesh_a_p> no

07:50 <nivoc> ?

07:51 <banisterfiend> bhavesh_a_p: no they're not the same

07:51 <banisterfiend> bhavesh_a_p: obj.blank? is not even a ruby method

07:51 <banisterfiend> bhavesh_a_p: it's one of those horrid rails monkeypatches

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07:51 <banisterfiend> (well in this case it's kind of useful i guess:)

07:51 <bhavesh_a_p> oh. nice to know that

07:52 <heftig> bhavesh_a_p: no, they're not. #blank? as provided by ActiveSupport is true for nil, false, anything "empty?", strings full of whitespace

07:52 <nivoc> " ".nil? => false

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07:52 <nivoc> " ".blank? => ture

07:52 <nivoc> ture

07:52 <Houdini> How to send cookies with Net::HTTP.get(URI.parse(Settings.proxy))?

07:52 <nivoc> true

07:52 <banisterfiend> heftig: do you consider yourself the german version of My_Hearing (Mon_Ouie)

07:52 <heftig> no

07:55 <bhavesh_a_p> thanks for depth info

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09:03 <banisterfiend> hey can someone here test out a gem for me?

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09:10 <m4dc0d3r> should i use require_relative 'file' or require './file' ?

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09:25 <Hanmac> m4dc0d3r: require_relative

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09:30 <tillyj> i would like to learn the ruby

09:30 <tillyj> can you teach me the ruby

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09:50 <derailed> Hi is there someone here who can tell me something about code-reloading?

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09:50 <derailed> how does it work? can i just re-require a file for code to 'reload' or do i really need to fork?

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09:51 <Hanmac> code reloading does not work with require ... use load instad

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10:02 <mylifesisfine> hai friends...

10:04 <mylifesisfine> I had a small doubt in rails... though i know this is ruby room.. I am not able to connect to the rails room and that is the reason i am asking this question here.. Please give me your valuable thoughts on this if u know abt rails : I want to redirect a particluar user in my rails app straight to a community rather than the community index page. So is it a good practice in rails to mention the community link explicitly on the HT

10:06 <mylifesisfine> suppose i have a community id 1 to which i want a particular user to be redirected upon clicking a link.. will it be a good practice to mention on the html the explicit link to community with id 1 ? please sugest any better views in this regard

10:06 <mylifesisfine> thanks

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