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<Fretta>
Hey guys and girls, can you recommend a ruby web framework that has friendlier backwards compatibility compared to rails. I've been working on upgrading a rails 2 site to 3 and oh boy! I almost have to write 60% of the code from scratch....
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<Fretta>
For example before_filter is now before_action...
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<havenwood>
Fretta: Rails 2 to 3 was a pretty big jump. 3 to 4 is relatively painless.
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<havenwood>
Fretta: Rails may have matured into your requirement, I dunno. Could ask #RubyOnRails. Sinatra is very nice and stable as well.
<velus>
hello all im wondering if you can mix php with rhtml
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<havenwood>
velus: You *can*.
<Fretta>
Oh ok good. I wish these ruby frameworks were more like Linux and Ruby, with compatibility
<velus>
ok do i save the pages as .rhtml or .php
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<havenwood>
velus: Most would advise not serving up Ruby via CGI, and instead using something like Sinatra or even a bare Rack app.
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<havenwood>
velus: Sinatra or Rails play nice alongside PHP. Likely a better route!
<velus>
yes but the site it is gooig on it has to through cgi (its for a hosting site and its has the set templates and everything and there all in ruby
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<havenwood>
velus: Maybe you could use something like CgiProxy (https://github.com/csquared/rack-cgi-proxy), but really best to just get a server where you can run Ruby and spin up Sinatra apps.
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<velus>
i can but the site its self is built in (i have a reseler hosting account and its all linked in with cgi)
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<havenwood>
velus: Can you set your own Nginx/Apache confs? Just point that which is PHP's at PHP?
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<velus>
i cant do that now
<velus>
no
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<havenwood>
velus: An EC2 or Azure micro instance only costs a few cents a month. Might be worth looking at, since straying off the beaten path thusly can be a real yak shave.
<havenwood>
speakingcode: TL;DR: Default, yes. Use #{} for interpolation.
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<speakingcode>
havenwood: thanks, doesn't seem to be working
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<speakingcode>
havenwood: nm, i'm just blind, typed {#...} instead of #{..}
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<sam113101>
I've got a problem
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<havenwood>
sam113101: yeah?
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<sam113101>
havenwood: I wrote a script, when I run it from the directory it's in, everything's alright, but when I run it from somewhere else it complains about files not being found. I changed the pwd to the script directory inside the script, it worked fine for a while, but now that I created a symlink to it and that I run it from the symlink, for some reason it doesn't work anymore. Any idea?
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<havenwood>
sam113101: __FILE__ may be different than Dir.pwd, which can be confusing
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<havenwood>
sam113101: Related things to Google: $LOAD_PATH, $:, require_relative, __dir__, __FILE__, Dir.pwd
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<havenwood>
sam113101: __dir__ is new to Ruby 2.0, btw
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<Nom->
File.expand_path( 'some/dir/here', File.dirname( __FILE __) ) <--- my favorite method for requiring relative to the file location
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<fschuindt>
guys, I am trying to listen the user's keyboard events in parallel inside a console application. I am heavy heavy trouble, I think that I am using the wrong way and I am felling sad. The way I am using is messing up my normal app text output, and seems don't work well. https://github.com/fschuindt/camelog/blob/master/lib/camelog.rb (line 43)
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<bnagy>
LOL at that clear_screen method XD
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<fschuindt>
bnagy: yah, hahahaha
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<fschuindt>
bnagy: I don't face console applictions for a long time, I always work with web, hahaha. And I am newbie in ruby too, so forgive me hahaha
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<lisper>
hello!
<lisper>
Anyone online?
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<fryguy>
lisper: probably
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<lisper>
Hey fryguy
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<lisper>
Any experienced developers in the house>
<lisper>
?
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<lisper>
I finished some ruby tutorials and am no in a stage of "limbo"
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<lisper>
Good idea for a project?
<lisper>
Anyone..
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<automan>
write a script that rearranges the columns of a csv file
<automan>
deletes some, rearranges the others
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<lisper>
Hmm... thanks
<gauravag>
could some one help in understanding whether CoW is enabled by default in ruby-2.0.0-p0
<gauravag>
?
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<speakingcode>
lisper: could always look at projects on github n look for bug or feature request tickets
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<Hanmac>
gauravag: what is CoW?
<gauravag>
*CoW -> Copy on Write
<gauravag>
Sorry for using the abbreviation..
<automan>
I was trying to figure out the W. i was set on Call of ...., though
<automan>
heh
<Hanmac>
... isnt that file system specific? at or at what point does it matter?
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<bnagy>
Wardrop: because some people are too clueless to register their nicks
<gauravag>
bnagy: I have read it already..
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<gauravag>
#ruby-lang
<bnagy>
but it means that, de facto, this has become the newb channel and ruby-lang has become.. uh... niche
<Nom->
I didn't even know #ruby-lang was a thing
<Wardrop>
So #ruby-lang requires registration, and #ruby doesn't, is that right?
<bnagy>
gauravag: then why did you ask your question about bitmap marking?
<bnagy>
Wardrop: yeah
<Nom->
#ruby has more pplz :P
<gauravag>
the reason is that I do not see a performance improvement while migrating my app from 1.9.3 to 2.0.0..
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<bnagy>
...
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<Nom->
Ruby 2.0.0 should show improvements in startup times... I'm not sure there's a lot of runtime improvements?
<Nom->
If you were already running the GC patches and other performance patches for 1.9.3 you probably won't see anything
<Wardrop>
Well, I'm going back to #ruby-lang. I don't want to make this channel any more popular than it should be.
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<bnagy>
oh? I thought there were. I use jruby, so MRI is kind of dead to me except as a reference spec. :)
<Nom->
Well as far as I know the runtime improvements were the GC improvements... there might have been other internal stuff of course
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<gauravag>
Nom-: Which performance patch are you referring to?.. I have seen a couple of them and they looked to me that they were for 1.8.7..
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<Nom->
If you use RVM there's a patchset which includes them all for 1.9.3... most are to do with GC or improving certain data structures, and I believe they were all accepted into upstream in 2.0.0
<bnagy>
gauravag: you realize that GC improvements only speed up certain kinds of code right?
<bnagy>
you can happily write code that runs with a disabled GC ( and I do, sometimes )
<bnagy>
so your performance issues may not have anything to do with GC perf
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<gauravag>
thanks bnagy.. but I have seen the code spend more time GCing than performing the request..
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<bnagy>
what did you profile with?
<bnagy>
also, is this rails?
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<Nom->
Yes, there's known problems with GC's happening during requests
<Nom->
If you're running Unicorn, for example, there's a gem someone has built which will disable GC before a request and run it after the request... hides the GC delay from the users but it's still there
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<gauravag>
Nom-: Thanksbnagy: Yes, this is rails
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<gauravag>
Nom-: I am using passenger..
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<bluelf>
I am trying to learn ruby, I have covered the basic rubymonk.com courses and now i can make programs in ruby, any suggestions on how to get better ?
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<tobiasvl>
bluelf: make programs!
<tobiasvl>
only way to get better is to make programs
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<bluelf>
tobiasvl, can you suggest what kind of programs ? I mean like is there a list of programs I can try to make?
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<tobiasvl>
if you're at all mathematically inclined you can have a go at http://projecteuler.net/
<tobiasvl>
but why did you want to learn ruby if not to make programs? you don't have any ideas what to make?
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<sebastianb>
bluelf: /wii bluelf
<sebastianb>
whooooooooooops
<sebastianb>
:D
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<bluelf>
sebastianb, :)
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<bluelf>
sebastianb, tobiasvl I am checking out project euler now . Is it a good source of starting set of problems ?
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<sebastianb>
I never used it, so I don't know :)
<bluelf>
tobiasvl, sorry I missed your last post
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<bluelf>
tobiasvl, I have some ideas but they are like proper desktop applications, and I dont know how to start. I have some web based projects too but I don't want to do anything in rails for now. It has too much magic and I feel I wont improve my ruby.
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<tobiasvl>
hehe, yeah, understandable
<jsaak_>
then find a gui toolkit suited for your platform and do your desktop app
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<maasha>
hey
<maasha>
Is there a tool that can pulls all external dependency source into one big script?
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<Gate>
maasha: I don't know of any, but I'm curious what you want it for. Are you wanting to distribute it or something?
<Gate>
If you want to write one, you could re-define the 'require' method and use it to "compile" a script instead of just evaluating it.
<Gate>
All of ruby's load paths are exposed to you via its given variables....
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<maasha>
Gate_: yeah, I want to send some code in a single script. I am pretty sure there is a tool to make an executable or some thing so there is no need for external dependencies.
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<maddog__>
Given temp_output_vector is a simple array, why does Vector.elements(temp_output_vector) return a Vector inside a Vector instead of a Vector containing the elements of my array?
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<bnagy>
probably it's not what you think it is
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<maddog__>
bnagy: yeah, you were right, I multiplied with a vector at some point, returning the scalar product
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<dawkirst>
Weird question: If I work with classes that manipulates images, is it better to pass through the actual binary file as an argument, or just the image's URL?
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<csmrfx>
dawkirst: depends
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<k610>
how long does this command "gem list -rd > 2013.05.13.gems" approximately takes ?
<corehook>
ERROR: Gem bundler is not installed, run `gem install bundler` first.
<corehook>
why ?
<gargamel>
I have a Parser class that takes another class as an argument containing some rules how the parser should parse a file. What is a good name for that class?
<k610>
csmrfx, this is the full detailed list of gem available on rubygems.org : ~56k gems
<csmrfx>
dawkirst: you should probably have a 'core' class that manipules bitmaps, abstraction that loads image formats and a wrapper that can download remote files
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<csmrfx>
k610: well, how long does 'apt-cache search *' take on your machine?
<csmrfx>
I would say the gem list takes about tenth of that ;)
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<k610>
csmrfx, i am only doing this cause rubygems.org don't want to improve their search engine to include descriptions in search
<k610>
csmrfx, is their any alternative to rubygems.rog
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<gargamel>
What is a good name for an attribute that contains a third party ID. And I don't want to name it like {app_name}_id. Should I name it service_id or entity_id. Any suggestions?
<MrZYX>
more context please
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<csmrfx>
third_party_id
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<gargamel>
MrZYX: It can either be an ID for bing, adwords or yahoo etc...
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<MrZYX>
representing a single entity on the remote service or an access token or... ?
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<alex88>
hi guys, someone knows a way to reorder and array basing it on a string? a kind of shuffle that with the same string returns the same shuffled array?
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<MrZYX>
you can pass shuffle a specific Random object
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<MrZYX>
just use the strings hash as a seed
<gargamel>
How can Rake use the Hash syntax with an array. Like this: "task :task_name, [:arg1, :arg2] => [:dependency1, :dependency2]" <-- This is not valid ruby syntax?
<Spooner_>
Which you could have seeded with a string.
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<alex88>
MrZYX: oh really? let me check
<MrZYX>
gargamel: looks like valid syntax to me
<Spooner_>
gargamel, That is valid Ruby.
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<Spooner_>
Whether it is valid Rake is another issue.
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<gargamel>
MrZYX, Spooner_: okay, thanks, my bad
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<Spooner_>
I don't believe it is. You need to add the dependency separately, I think.
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<CocoStorm>
I know java, why should i learn Ruby?
<dominikh>
don't.
<CocoStorm>
dominikh, why not?
<dominikh>
if you had a use for it, you'd know why.
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<CocoStorm>
dominikh, what do you mean?
<MrZYX>
CocoStorm: every new language you learn opens your mind and introduces you to new concepts you can apply almost everywhere
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<CocoStorm>
dominikh, are you saying Ruby isn't a useful language to learn?
<CocoStorm>
MrZYX, what could I do with Ruby that I won't be able to do in Java for example?
<otters>
yep
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<MrZYX>
add methods to strings for example, but that's not the point.
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<MrZYX>
every language I learned changed my thinking a bit, the way I tackle problems
<CocoStorm>
MrZYX, ya
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<r0bglees0n>
MrZYX: yeah i agree, thats why i try to learn languages unlike ruby (which is the language I know best). just to apply a different method of thinking and bring that back into ruby where it makes sense.
<r0bglees0n>
i am trying to learn clojure in my spare time
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<CocoStorm>
thanks for your input guys
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<jsonperl>
im trying to build a wrapper for a c library
<jsonperl>
as a c extension... im unclear how to build it, and then link the wrapper library to it
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<santana>
you may find inspiration in existing ones
<jsonperl>
would you try an build it all into the same extension?
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<yxhuvud>
jsonperl: depends on your exact need. It can often be simpler to make an .so and then link dynamically against that with FFI.
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<jsonperl>
i guess this one is a little weird from an example standpoint because the example library is not "built"....
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<jsonperl>
i could give that a shot i suppose... i really just want to wrap it
<yxhuvud>
you have a C lib that isn't built? how does that work?
<jsonperl>
i'll likely extend SOME stuff... but not necessarily
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<fschuindt>
Any help here? "What is the best way to get keyboard events (input without press 'enter') in a Ruby console application?" http://bit.ly/16vehtu
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<otters>
highline
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<fschuindt>
otters: I have tried it with no success, seems that it don't support this feature anymore. And I can't find any good example
<apeiros>
fschuindt: io/console with $stdin.raw
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<Hanmac>
hm imo does rubygems spec need an option to define that an gem needs to be rebuild/reinstalled ...
<Hanmac>
like that: "WARNING: Nokogiri was built against LibXML version 2.8.0, but has dynamically loaded 2.9.0" but so that "gem update" can detect that
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<aedornm>
There's a possibility that I'm creating an overly complicated system in order to simplify an overly complicated system.
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<unstable>
aedornm: What is your system?
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<aedornm>
Internal systems that use an LDAP server for authentication, that is managed via an API controlled by an external central server, which uses an OpenID system for authentication, so that local users and administrators are separate. Then I had a thought ... move the internal systems to OpenID also, but that requires a relay service for the internal machines and a constant internet connection or the world col
<aedornm>
lapses.
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<aedornm>
Nope.. that won't work. Can't use LDAP internally because requirements say the internal systems auto-login at the system level, and then users login via web interface. So LDAP is over complicated on that.. okay, let's remove it, and add a site authentication system.
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<aedornm>
So, let's see... Test app, GUI, site API, site web/auth service, central web service, OpenID (or at least some central auth system), relay service, BIS app/gui, and then internal tools is another 6 apps. Oh good, only 13 different code bases for 1 person. I was worried it was getting out of hand.
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<atr__>
LennyLinux: I found my answer in google :) thank you
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<lectrick>
Banistergalaxy: Thoughts? Would that even work?
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<Banistergalaxy>
Explain more I'm drunk
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<terrellt>
Anyone know if rspec has a helper to return its base directory, so I can include fixtures?
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<LennyLinux>
terrellt: base dir of what? RSpec executable?
<waxjar>
lectrick, shouldnt that be a method on Thread?
<lectrick>
waxjar: Yes, it could live there too.
<terrellt>
LennyLinux: No, the spec directory.
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<waxjar>
interesting
<Spooner>
terrellt, Usually all spec files just include spec/helper.rb which then can do all standard stuffing.
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<lectrick>
waxjar: The code was more of an idea than a full implementation, but you're right, it would have to live there too if implemented correctly.
<LennyLinux>
terrellt: you can use the canonical File.expand_path '../../etc', __FILE__ or File.dirname __FILE__
<terrellt>
Spooner: Yes, that happens, but inside the test I need to load a string which is stored in spec/fixtures. Have to get at that. Closest thing I can get to is File.join(Dir.getwd,"spec","fixtures","file.dat")
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<terrellt>
Which appears to be working, so maybe I'll just stick to that.
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<LennyLinux>
Spooner: terrellt spec_helper.rb, obtained with rspec --init
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<Spooner>
terrellt, In the spec_helper.rb: File.join(File.dirname(__FILE__),"fixtures","file.dat")
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<terrellt>
Spooner/LennyLinux: Thank you for your help. =)
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<Spooner>
LennyLinux, Never knew about rspec --init - not sure I need it that much though ;)
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<LennyLinux>
Spooner: yeah, it doesn't do anything useful for me. :)
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<LennyLinux>
But still
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