#ruby on 2013-07-05 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-06-29 12:33 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

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00:02 <bnagy> you're probably read aving on the second array lookup

00:02 <bnagy> but I have no idea what your arrays are supposed to contain

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00:59 <santini81> hey hey

00:59 <santini81> whats the difference between RB extension and plain text file code?

00:59 <popl> santini81: nothing?

01:00 <santini81> ya .rb files are compiled, cant read..

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01:00 <bnagy> no

01:00 <santini81> du gotta compile text file first before it shows up in msf?

01:00 <popl> no, santini81

01:00 * santini81 listens

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01:01 <popl> .rb is just a file extension, like .pl for perl or .py for python

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01:02 <popl> your second question doesn't make sense

01:02 <santini81> all the .rb files in the root/msf4/modules are unreadable, like compiled

01:03 <santini81> i wanna insert my exploit in there

01:03 <bnagy> metasploit is crazy, but not that crazy

01:03 <bnagy> I suspect you just don't know how text editors work

01:03 <santini81> hey now

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01:04 <santini81> the .rb files in there are compiled, they have some RMB7 header then its garbled code

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01:04 <bnagy> http://dev.metasploit.com/redmine/projects/framework/repository/entry/modules/exploits/multi/browser/java_jre17_exec.rb

01:04 <santini81> kali by the way

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01:07 <santini81> i guess im missing something

01:08 <santini81> so how du insert a custom code file into msf

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01:08 <bnagy> anyway I can't find anything about metasploit using insane 'compilation' for .rb but if they are then it's their problem

01:08 <popl> yeah

01:08 <santini81> i see

01:08 <bnagy> I'd try and find metasploit specific help. I think they have a channel on freenode

01:08 <santini81> like from exploit-db

01:08 <santini81> 10 4

01:08 <santini81> that # is bugged

01:08 <santini81> aint goin there

01:08 <bnagy> all the exploits I have read have just been plain ruby

01:09 <bnagy> bugged?

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01:09 <bnagy> what is WRONG with you

01:09 <bnagy> it's fricking freenode

01:09 <popl> santini81: lizard people too

01:09 <santini81> hey pal..trust me.

01:09 <bnagy> it's _all_ 'bugged'

01:09 * MrZYX gets popcorn

01:09 <popl> no

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01:11 <santini81> i just dont get why all the .rb files in kali are compiled already, i tried inserting a plain text code file and it doesnt show up..ruby on rails please compile

01:11 <popl> you're not even connecting with SSL and you're asking me to trust you about some privacy issue?

01:11 <popl> pfui

01:12 <santini81> damn straight im not..u crazy?

01:12 <popl> Quite possibly, but that's not the issue.

01:13 <popl> Go ask #metasploit about metasploit-centric things. If that bothers you, I'm sure there's probably a mailing list somewhere.

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01:13 <santini81> k

01:13 <santini81> thank you.

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03:27 <RobW_> Does anyone know if YAML can reference itself?

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03:28 <pontiki> not quite sure what you want, RobW_

03:28 <RobW_> pontiki: Ah, this is one of those questions I should just try myself.

03:28 <pontiki> you can set tags for an item and then later refer to it

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03:28 <pontiki> yer, go for it :)

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03:30 <RobW_> pontiki: That's what I mean.

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03:30 <RobW_> If I have some yaml with this: 'red', can I later in the same yml file reference the value of this?

03:31 <pontiki> yeah

03:32 <RobW_> Can usually do that with json, e.g., {this: 'red', that: { other: this}}, that.other = 'red'

03:32 <pontiki> let me find an example

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03:32 <RobW_> That would be really helpful, thanks.

03:34 <pontiki> not a great example, but: https://github.com/tamouse/gmail_archive_rails/blob/master/config/database.yml

03:34 <pontiki> it shows reusing the test config for cucumer

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03:34 <pontiki> the test: &test sets the tag

03:35 <RobW_> Great. I've found a couple examples too.

03:35 <pontiki> then it's reused in <<: *test to fill in the cucumber section

03:35 <RobW_> Aliases, I think they're called.

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03:35 <pontiki> it's quite a bit more powerful than that

03:35 <pontiki> yeah

03:35 <RobW_> Hope it works in Jekyll.

03:35 <pontiki> it should

03:35 <pontiki> it's YAML, should have nothing to do with what's reading it

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05:26 <RobW_> How do you monkey patch / alias a self.method?

05:26 <RobW_> I found some tutorials for rails, but coming up blank for ruby.

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05:29 <CaptainJet_> class << self; alias new_method method; end

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05:43 <bnagy> kind of depends on what you mean by self.method

05:43 <bnagy> usually that would just be in instance context

05:44 <bnagy> we just drop self. because self is the first receiver

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05:44 <bnagy> sometimes people say it when it's a method where the receiver wouldn't be obvious ( included module calling into an instance method etc )

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05:46 <bnagy> if you def self.blah it's different though

05:46 <bnagy> all of which to say CaptainJet_'s explanation is probably the one you want :D

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06:54 <epitron> bnagy: if he meant aliasing an instance method, i don't think he would've had much trouble

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06:56 <prsn> does anyone here use the ruby emacs mode? And if so, have you found a way to its horrible overindentation of function args on new lines?

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06:56 <prsn> *way to fix

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07:02 <flaccid> trying to find out which gem in a Gemfile is depending on a gem that depends on a greater ruby version. its driving me insane

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07:02 <popl> do you have a question?

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07:04 <flaccid> popl: sure, when doing a bundle install with a Gemfile, how do i work out which gem is depending on this? from what i can see, it could be anything in https://raw.github.com/rightscale/right_link/v5.8.13/Gemfile

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07:05 <sevenseacat> depending on what?

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07:05 <atmosx> to load helpers in sinatra we ure require_relative?

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07:06 <flaccid> a gem in the Gemfile depends on nokogiri, but nokogiri is not in the Gemfile

07:06 <sevenseacat> check the Gemfile.lock ?

07:07 <flaccid> sevenseacat: it doesn't have one because it doesn't complete due to the failure

07:07 <sevenseacat> you dont have one checked in? >_>

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07:09 <flaccid> sevenseacat: there is https://github.com/rightscale/right_link/blob/v5.8.13/Gemfile.lock but from what i can see Gemfile.lock does not do recursive dependency listing

07:09 <sevenseacat> flaccid: if its not in there, bundle install wont install it.

07:10 <sevenseacat> it lists *all the dependencies*.

07:10 <flaccid> sevenseacat: doesn't bundle install work from Gemfile

07:10 <sevenseacat> not if there's a Gemfile.lock.

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07:10 <flaccid> sevenseacat: oh ok, i should source both if i'm packaging, i'll try that

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07:11 <sevenseacat> uh ok.... sounds like you were actually asking something different to what you wanted then

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07:12 <flaccid> sevenseacat: i'm doing this https://github.com/flaccid/archlinux-packages/blob/master/rightscale-sandbox/PKGBUILD

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07:14 <sevenseacat> and your error is?

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07:16 <flaccid> i don't have one now sevenseacat i believe you solved it for me thank you kindly..

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07:16 <flaccid> added "https://raw.github.com/rightscale/right_link/v${pkgver}/Gemfile.lock" to source..

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07:17 <flaccid> i can test now to see if any foo occurred. then hopefully move on to building it on raspberry pi on arm

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08:44 <effbiai> hi, trying to install gitlab. bundle is failing with missing psych. here's full output plus some debugging http://pastebin.com/c4amG3XB

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09:38 <atmosx> anyone alive?

09:38 <mikecmpbll> yo.

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09:40 <atmosx> I've created a hash the returns values only when I issue 'p h[:value]' and not when it's called 'h[:value]' … but I need it to be displayed correctly, I have no idea how did I do that.

09:40 <atmosx> it's the 1st time that happens to me

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09:41 <mikecmpbll> atmosx: i don't understand what you mean.

09:41 <atmosx> https://gist.github.com/atmosx/5933370 the overnight_display

09:42 <mikecmpbll> what's the problem?

09:43 <atmosx> mikecmpbll: I'm calling this module from an external file (sinatra/haml) like: x = Pharmacy::Open.new ; y = x.overnight_display; y[:name] <--- this needs doesn't print any result.

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09:43 <atmosx> I need to use p y[:name] to get a result

09:43 <atmosx> printed on the screen/terminal/web

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09:44 <mikecmpbll> calling y[:name] will return whatever data[:name] is.

09:45 <atmosx> doesn't :-/

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09:45 <mikecmpbll> i need to know more about the context where you're trying to "display" this value

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09:46 <atmosx> It's a sinatra application, but I tried in the terminal too.

09:46 <mikecmpbll> what does it return then?

09:46 <atmosx> using haml files

09:46 <atmosx> nothing

09:47 <mikecmpbll> huh, so you call y[:name] at the terminal and nothing at all happens?

09:47 <atmosx> it doesn't display any error, it just doesn't return any value if I don't explicitly request it using p/puts

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09:47 <atmosx> let me redo

09:47 <atmosx> it

09:47 <mikecmpbll> gist your console session.

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09:50 <atmosx> mikecmpbll: https://gist.github.com/atmosx/5933432

09:50 <atmosx> the hello is my line

09:51 <atmosx> I mean it's hardcoded not the variable

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09:51 <atmosx> that's the running code https://gist.github.com/atmosx/5933435

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09:53 <mikecmpbll> `raise @ov_name.inspect`

09:53 <mikecmpbll> in your /overnights/drama and do the same thing again

09:54 <mikecmpbll> sorry, just `puts @ov_name.inspect`

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09:54 <atmosx> okay

09:55 <MrZYX> yeah, are you sure data[:name] isn't just nil?

09:55 <atmosx> return nils

09:55 <atmosx> returns nil

09:55 <mikecmpbll> there you go then.

09:55 <atmosx> hmm

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09:55 <atmosx> aargh

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09:56 <mikecmpbll> @ov_name is nil, which means that display[:name] is nil, which means that data[:name] is nil, which means that @address.first(id: get_id())'s name attribute is nil.

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09:57 <atmosx> which makes me think what did I do wrong because whem I'm callint from a test.rb works fine

09:58 <mikecmpbll> if you show us it working fine, i'm sure it will be obvious where the difference is.

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09:59 <atmosx> this code returns a correct value https://gist.github.com/atmosx/5933474

09:59 <atmosx> sits in the seame directory as teh sinatra app

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10:03 <mikecmpbll> rename your `display` variable to something else, seems like it's a method name for Object class

10:03 <mikecmpbll> might be causing you some trouble.

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10:04 <mikecmpbll> 1.9.3p194 :015 > 1.display -----> 1 => nil

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10:05 <atmosx> ahh

10:05 <mikecmpbll> that's a weird problem, but I can reproduce it in IRB

10:06 <mikecmpbll> actually, no I can't, my bad.

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10:07 <mikecmpbll> if that doesn't work, inspect `display` next and work backwards.

10:07 <atmosx> Yeah but I re-written the whole thing and now wroks..

10:07 <atmosx> I don't understand why

10:07 <atmosx> it's 2 lines

10:08 <mikecmpbll> did you change the variable name?

10:10 <atmosx> yes, but still I'm not sure if that did it

10:11 <atmosx> it's the 1st time I come across such weird behavior

10:11 <atmosx> not that I'm an expert or anything but I've used hashes before (I use them all the time actually)

10:11 <atmosx> anyway thank you very much

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11:26 <claymore> why does "not" require parentheses in a statement like "a = not(b)" but not in "if not b"?

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11:29 <atmosx> claymore: might be because 'not' is a method which takes 1 argument

11:29 <atmosx> while b can be anything (an object most likely)

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11:31 <claymore> atmosx: so it's a method in the case of "a = not(b)", but not in the second case?

11:31 <claymore> and even so, methods don't usually require parentheses... I'm confused

11:31 <atmosx> yes as I see it not(b) is clearly a mthod which takes 1 argument and does some magic returning a result

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11:31 <claymore> but I thought parentheses were optional in ruby anyway

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11:31 <claymore> for method calls

11:31 <atmosx> well, yes

11:32 <atmosx> try a = not b

11:32 <atmosx> might work

11:32 <claymore> I did, it doesn't like it

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11:32 <atmosx> I see

11:32 <claymore> syntax error, expects parentheses

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11:32 <atmosx> k strict syntax then

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11:33 <claymore> oh well, I was just curious anyway... doesn't really matter

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11:40 <matti_> atmosx: Is it a method?

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11:45 <wald0> does ruby support UTF-8? I mean, for things like .downcase, it will only work with a-z or for any language charset ?

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11:45 <atmosx> wald0: yeah I had to re-write a method for the Greek alphabet, works only for latin

11:45 <atmosx> matti_: no idea really.

11:46 <atmosx> matti_: just guessing

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11:47 <wald0> atmosx: yuck, i thought that ruby will suppor that by default :/

11:47 <matti_> atmosx: I cannot find it as method being defined anywhere. I got curious.

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11:47 <wald0> in my bash coding i can just use [[:alpha:]] for match any "character" value in any language, very useful for do massive changes in translation files

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11:48 * wald0 wonders how ruby can be used globally if only talks english

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11:48 <wald0> latin*

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11:52 <nyuszika7h> hi, I'm trying to add spaces around the <a> in the resulting document, how could I do that? http://dpaste.com/1290030/

11:52 <nyuszika7h> (I know there is no text wrapping, I blame HAML - try http://dpaste.com/1290030/plain/)

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11:55 <wald0> atmosx: seems like we can use things like /\p{Alpha}/ , http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/Regexp.html#label-Character+Properties

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12:02 <apeiros> nyuszika7h: `blandit enim turpis, non <a href='http://example.com'> elit` (valid in HAML)

12:02 <apeiros> alterantively, drop those ><

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12:04 <apeiros> (the > removes the spaces around the <a></a>, the < removes the spaces within it)

12:04 <brotspinne> hello. can someone explain me the difference between + and \ when splitting strings? I've created an evaled pastebin http://ideone.com/4Lq9E5

12:04 <apeiros> wald0, atmosx: if you want casemapping for non-ascii chars you need an external library.

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12:05 <apeiros> e.g. the unicode library, or rails' MB char stuff in activesupport

12:05 <apeiros> brotspinne: + invokes a method

12:05 <apeiros> \ is syntax to "escape" the newline

12:05 <brotspinne> apeiros: so \ is actually faster?

12:05 <apeiros> >> "foo" "bar"

12:05 <eval-in_> apeiros => "foobar" (https://eval.in/36578)

12:06 <apeiros> should be, yes. especially since "foo" "bar" is interpreted at parse-time, while + is interpreted at run-time.

12:07 <brotspinne> apeiros: what is when e.g. the first line is interpolated (double quotes) and the second is not (single quotes)?

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12:07 <apeiros> brotspinne: the lines don't matter. you escape the newline. ruby treats it as a single line.

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12:07 <apeiros> so your question is really: is `'foo' "bar"` valid syntax?

12:08 <brotspinne> yes

12:08 <apeiros> my answer: just try.

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12:08 <apeiros> >> 'foo' "bar"

12:08 <eval-in_> apeiros => "foobar" (https://eval.in/36579)

12:08 <brotspinne> >> 'foo\0' "bar\0"

12:08 <eval-in_> brotspinne => "foo\\0bar\0" (https://eval.in/36580)

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12:08 <brotspinne> nice

12:08 <apeiros> it doesn't work with %{} strings afaik

12:08 <apeiros> >> %{foo} 'bar'

12:08 <eval-in_> apeiros => "foobar" (https://eval.in/36581)

12:08 <apeiros> oh, does? odd… maybe a change?

12:09 <apeiros> 19>> %{foo} 'bar'

12:09 <eval-in_> apeiros => "foobar" (https://eval.in/36582)

12:09 <apeiros> hm, no, works in 1.9 too.

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12:09 <apeiros> 18>> %{foo} 'bar'

12:09 <eval-in_> apeiros => "foobar" (https://eval.in/36583)

12:09 <apeiros> blerp, mismemorized

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12:10 <brotspinne> apeiros: does ruby insert this whitespace when between the two escaped lines when compiling?

12:11 <brotspinne> -when

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12:11 <apeiros> obviously not. as you can see from the examples above.

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12:12 <brotspinne> no I mean does it eval 'foo''foo' or 'foo' 'foo' at runtime?

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12:12 <effbiai> trying to install gitlab. bundle is failing with missing psych. here's full updated output plus some debugging http://pastebin.com/c4amG3XB

12:12 <apeiros> brotspinne: ruby does not transform your code when evaluating it.

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12:13 <apeiros> or rather: that question doesn't really make sense.

12:14 <brotspinne> apeiros: I'm interested in the internals. so the compiler sees the \ and then directly jumps to the start of the next line and treats this as the next token or something?

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12:14 <apeiros> effbiai: why is it /bin/bundle when your executable directory is /usr/local/bin?

12:14 <effbiai> fedora symlinking

12:16 <effbiai> /usr/bin/bundle and /bin/bundle is the same

12:16 <apeiros> brotspinne: oh, you're confusing language and interpreter. ruby the language doesn't have such a concept. with regards to the interpreter: have fun reading whatever interpreters source… (kri, jruby, rubinius, …)

12:16 <effbiai> i now see that you're asking about /usr/local/bin. that one i don't know

12:16 <brotspinne> k

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12:24 <maloik> Anyone spot the problem with this? https://gist.github.com/hannesfostie/035cc9ebb899276c9aaa - it's a new gem I just started on, one of my first requires is making it fail

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12:30 <brotspinne> maloik: remove the line with the error

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12:33 <maloik> broquaint: how will that help me load the particular file? :PO

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12:52 <colonolGron> vim +NERDTree

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12:52 <atmosx> I use Project

12:52 <atmosx> but NERDTree is good

12:52 <atmosx> lol

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13:20 <nettoweb> guys, i have a question about checkot simple flow, can I ask here or i must ask in another place?

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13:52 <maloik> Any tips for storing iapi tokens for a gem with a commandline component? Is there some kind of standard? Do I write it to a file, and if so, where do I store that file ?

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14:00 <canton7> maloik, in a hidden dir in the user's home dir is pretty common

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14:05 <maloik> canton7: I'll 'streamline' it down the line, but if I prepare a command to set it, can I store the file with rights set to only the actual user rather than the user 'ruby' ?

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14:05 <canton7> maloik, if you want, as long as you can figure out how the 'actual user' is

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14:10 <maloik> canton7: are there any alternatives to doing that ?

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14:11 <canton7> what exactly are you doing? the gem is used by a process called 'ruby', but you want the credentials saved under someone else's permissions?

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14:17 <maloik> canton7: yea I want the gem to perform the file under /bin as the actual user rather than ruby

14:17 <maloik> for security reasons

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14:17 <canton7> who's the actual user?

14:17 <canton7> who reads the file?

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14:18 <maloik> I mean that if my computer's user is 'maloik', I want to execute the ruby script as such, and store the yml file to be only readable by that user

14:19 <maloik> so if someone else uses the computer he does not have access

14:19 <canton7> so who's the 'ruby' user?

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14:20 <maloik> doesn't ruby have a standard user it runs its processes as ?

14:20 <canton7> no? if you run a command, any command, it runs as the person who ran it

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14:21 <canton7> otherwise file permissions would be somewhat pointless, for starters...

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14:33 <kalib> Hello guys, I'm new with ruby. Just installed rvm and trying to learn/use it. When trying to run "rvm install 2.0.0" or "rvm install 1.9.2", for example.. I got an "mkdir: it's impossible to create the directory "/home/myuser/.rvm/log/ruby-1.9.2-p320": permission denied

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14:34 <kalib> also this: "could not detect ruby version/name for installation, please be more specific.

14:34 <kalib> Any tip?

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14:34 <kalib> I'm using Arch Linux

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14:36 <canton7> on the first error, check the perms on that dir. I suspect you ran some rvm command as root at some point

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14:36 <kalib> also, when trying to use "rvm use 1.9.3" I get: "rvm is not a function"

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14:38 <yoshie902a> can someone explain what this means? "%d-%02d-%02d" % [date.year, date.month,date,day]?

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14:39 <kalib> canton7: the permissions are ok now. don't get that permissions error anymore. thanks.

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14:39 <canton7> yoshie902a, that's shorthand for http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Kernel.html#method-i-sprintf

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14:40 <yoshie902a> canton7: great reference, thank you

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15:38 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I have a question about monkey patching (or not).. I have a validation mail method (which I use not only in rails) which is called as ValidateEmail.valid?(email), should I add a method to string class, called #valid_email? Or maybe #email?

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15:39 <lupine> up to you, really

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15:39 <gustavn> Fire-Dragon-DoL: I would put name it #valid_email?

15:39 <lupine> you have a more fundamental problem in that your email validation rules are almost certainly incorrect

15:39 <gustavn> lupine: Exactly what I thought as well.

15:40 <lupine> if it's anything other than .include?("@")

15:40 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> lupine: the code is from a validation gem which also check for domain mx record (optionally)

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15:40 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> and no, it doesn't do regex validation

15:40 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> I'm coming out from an issue with email with whitespace

15:40 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> so I've skipped it entirely :P

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15:42 <lupine> Fire-Dragon-DoL, if it's going as far as that, putting it in String is probably a mistake

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15:46 <gustavn> I would name it*

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15:48 <apeiros> lupine: .include?("@") invalidates valid email addresses :-p

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15:51 <jonkri> does "rails (~> 3.2.8) ruby" not include rails (4.0.0)?

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15:52 <atmosx> jonkri: no that's rails 3.2.x iirc

15:52 <atmosx> surely not 4.

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15:52 <Hanmac1> jonkri: nope ~> does only include until the prev-last number + 1

15:53 <jonkri> thanks

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15:53 <MrZYX> isn't it >= 3.2.8 < 3.3.0 ?

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15:54 <Hanmac1> MrZYX: thats what i mean

15:54 <Hanmac1> hm no

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15:54 <Hanmac1> its 3.3.x, that means 3.3.999999 works, but 3.4.0 does not

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15:55 <aaron-mhm> anyone have an idea how to set the connect timeout on a Net::IMAP?

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15:56 <MrZYX> "Had we said ~> 2.2.0, that would have been equivalent to ['>= 2.2.0', '< 2.3.0']" - http://guides.rubygems.org/patterns/

15:57 <MrZYX> he has ~> 3.2.8, so >= 3.2.8, < 3.3.0

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15:59 <Hanmac1> you also need beware that ~> 3.2, so >= 3.2, < 4 and ~> 3.2.8.5, so >= 3.2.8.5, < 3.3.9

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15:59 <lupine> apeiros, sucks to be our control panel then ^^

15:59 <nouitfvf> aaron-mhm, like that http://pastebin.com/PvTqTeYD

16:00 <MrZYX> ~> 3.2.8.5, would be >= 3.2.8.5, < 3.2.9

16:00 <Hanmac1> huch yes

16:00 <aaron-mhm> nouitfvf, i said Net::IMAP not TCPSocket

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16:01 <apeiros> lupine: granted, for websites, email addresses without @ make little sense and many mail servers fail to deliver them anyway. at least our exchange server failed when I tried :)

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16:01 <nouitfvf> aaron-mhm, but can you replace TCPSocket with Net::IMAP?

16:02 <aaron-mhm> no. and your example doesn't show how to set the connection timeout anyway. it's just waiting for some timeout instead of specifying the timeout of the socket

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16:06 <nouitfvf> aaron-mhm, it replaces socket timeout with their own timeout

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16:07 <aaron-mhm> that's just a workaround, i want to use the IO facilities properly... i.e. set a socket timeout

16:07 <aaron-mhm> i can do that with Net::SMTP for example

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16:09 <nouitfvf> aaron-mhm, but it can not be done with Net:IMAP. So why not use this solution above?

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16:09 <nouitfvf> Net::IMAP**

16:09 <aaron-mhm> because it reeks of unclean code?

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16:10 <nouitfvf> hmpf

16:10 <RubyPanther> aaron-mhm: generally you use Timeout.timeout(n) &block

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16:11 <aaron-mhm> that stuff is even worse, especially under jruby because it uses Thread.kill

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16:12 <RubyPanther> you can't want network code to be fine tuned and also portable between interpreters. Platforms, yes, interpreters, no

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16:12 <aaron-mhm> setting some connection timeouts is not fine tuning. it's IO bread and butter ffs

16:12 <RubyPanther> And generally in networking Ruby wraps the standard C functions without giving you access to all the options

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16:13 <RubyPanther> so when you want to fiddle low lever blahblah, you fall back to C.

16:14 <nouitfvf> aaron-mhm, no more solutions. You have to use sleep() or Timeout or nothing!

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16:14 <aaron-mhm> gah. i can do this in perl, in java, in C... who designs those APIs ~~

16:14 <RubyPanther> Ruby is not designed for low-level networking bread and butter. It is designed for high-level butter, and to have a wonderful happy C API

16:15 <RubyPanther> you can't use C or you'd be jumping for joy that that is the Ruby Way to get this.

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16:19 <aedorn> hmmm.. wouldn't you just be able to override where it establishes Socket.new and set it using setsockopt? Not that it matters since he's gone now.

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16:21 <poseidon> I'm a little new to ruby and trying to install gitorious. I get the following error: Could not autoload package: Could not autoload /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/puppet/provider/package/windows.rb: no such file to load -- windows/error at /root/ce-installer/manifests/nodes.pp:9

16:21 <nouitfvf> aedorn, how to do it? That place is hidden under many layers of abstraction..

16:21 <poseidon> Anyone familiar with why I would get that error?

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16:22 <headius> Timeout.timeout uses Thread.kill under all impls, as far as I know

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16:23 <kwerle> I'm running a long process (a rails migration) and I'm leaking memory. By using ObjectSpace, I know exactly which classes I'm leaking. How can I find out what is referencing those objects to keep them around?

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16:24 <aedorn> nouitfvf: Somewhere up the chain it runs Socket.new .. you'd just have to take the time to trace back to that unfortunately.

16:24 <kwerle> (ruby 2, mri, osx)

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16:25 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> wtf I always forget that rake tasks should have .rake extension...

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16:26 <nouitfvf> aedorn, as far as I understand you propose to make changes to the standard library?

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16:29 <jonkri> how can i instruct gem to install the latest version of jquery-rails that matches "~> 2.0"?

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16:30 <atmosx_> jonkri: using Gemfile

16:30 <aedorn> nouitfvf: Sure, why not? Won't harm anything

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16:32 <jonkri> atmosx_: is it not possible from the command-line?

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16:32 <atmosx_> jonkri: you sure

16:32 <atmosx_> jonkri: gem install sequel -v 3.48.0

16:32 <atmosx_> this will install sequel 3.48.0 instead of 4.0.0 which is the latest stable version

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16:33 <jonkri> atmosx_: i don't want to find out what the latest version is, i want gem to do it for me, without involving a Gemfile

16:33 <losninos> test

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16:34 <MrZYX> losninos: didn't work

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16:34 <atmosx_> jonkri: I don't understand what you want to do

16:35 <atmosx_> gem install any_gem will install latest stable version

16:35 <atmosx_> -v will install a specific version

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16:36 <jonkri> atmosx_: it turns out that i could do: gem -v "~> 2.0" install jquery-rails, so the problem is solved :) thanks

16:37 <atmosx_> np :-)

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16:55 <kwerle> No ideas on how to track down unwanted references to an object that keep it from getting GC'd?

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17:26 <Freeaqingme> How can I use the command line so that the following prints 'foo'? $ ruby

17:26 <Freeaqingme> print "foo"

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17:27 <puzanov> ruby -e print "foo"

17:27 <MrZYX> ruby -e "print 'foo'"

17:27 <apeiros> ruby -e 'print "foo"'

17:27 <apeiros> yay!

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17:27 <Freeaqingme> there's no way to do it interactively?

17:27 <MrZYX> irb

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17:27 <Freeaqingme> your timing is impeccable though ;)

17:27 <apeiros> or pry

17:27 <kwerle> echo 'print "foo"' | ruby

17:27 <Freeaqingme> oh, right. Tnx!

17:27 <Freeaqingme> irb is what I was looking for

17:27 <apeiros> or just do what everyone does and write your own repl

17:28 <Freeaqingme> own what?

17:28 <apeiros> REPL, irb is one, pry is another.

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17:28 <apeiros> read, eval, print line

17:28 <Freeaqingme> ah, right

17:28 <MrZYX> hm

17:28 <MrZYX> I always thought the l is loop

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17:28 <apeiros> oh, yeah

17:28 <apeiros> I think you're correct.

17:28 <kwerle> OK - if anyone happens by and thinks of a way to track down unwanted references to objects, please drop me a line at kurt@circlew.org .

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17:29 <Freeaqingme> though, why would everybody do that if they've got irb/pry?

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17:29 <apeiros> Freeaqingme: for the same reason everybody writes an irc bot, or a web framework, or a database, or an OS…

17:29 <Eiam> its fun

17:29 <Eiam> they are sick in the head

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17:29 <Eiam> its interesting!

17:30 <Eiam> they are trying to learn! pick one or more

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17:30 <popl> 3. They want be be cool (they are sick in the head).

17:30 <apeiros> I stick with: they're just batshitcrazy. every. single. one.

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17:31 <Eiam> I normally fall onto that line of thinking myself, but I figure its jsut because I have very little penchant for re-inventing wheels when existing wheels suffice fine enough =)

17:31 <Freeaqingme> heh. I always write my own skynet, that I then deploy globally

17:31 <Freeaqingme> just because I can

17:31 <popl> s/cool/k-r4d/

17:31 <apeiros> existing wheels *NEVER* suffice.

17:31 <apeiros> NEVER! I tells you!

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17:31 <DylanJ> apeiros: you're dumb. writing an irc bot is a great way to teach yourself a language. you cover sockets, file io, input/output

17:31 <Eiam> DylanJ: ...

17:32 <Eiam> trollin is a art

17:32 <popl> ad hominem, -5 to Slytherin

17:32 <apeiros> DylanJ: dude, behave

17:32 <apeiros> you might get kicked

17:32 <DylanJ> not like anything of substance happens in here

17:32 <apeiros> also you should probably google for apeiros + irc + bot

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17:32 <Eiam> DylanJ: seriously? this is one of my favorite channels… lots of stuff happens in here =)

17:33 <popl> Usually this is one of the least stressful channels I hang out in.

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17:33 <apeiros> he probably can't leave. /they/ force him to stick in this channel…

17:33 <apeiros> holding his kitty hostage…

17:34 <Eiam> DylanJ: or just go with "https://github.com/apeiros"

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17:34 <apeiros> Eiam: noooo, he'll see all those reinvented wheels. but they're MINE!

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17:34 <popl> who ever heard of a square wheel anyways?

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17:36 <vraptor> newbie syntax question: how do I check for string inequality?

17:36 <Eiam> inequality with what

17:36 <popl> (pssst that was a joke because Shark wheel)

17:36 <Eiam> >> "hello" != "yo"

17:36 <Eiam> oh thats the javascript channel, how do you poke the bot here

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17:37 <Eiam> vraptor: !=, newbie answer

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17:37 <vraptor> the inverse of foo.eql?("string")

17:37 <apeiros> actually >> is right

17:37 <apeiros> >> "foo"

17:37 <eval-in_> apeiros => "foo" (https://eval.in/36597)

17:37 <apeiros> hm

17:37 <Eiam> apeiros: eval doesn't like me?

17:37 <apeiros> maybe, dunno

17:37 <popl> or maybe it's the space

17:37 <Eiam> never used him before so

17:37 <apeiros> gotta ask charliesome

17:37 <cout> popl: how about a square steering wheel?

17:37 <cout> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Austin_Allegro_Interior_with_Quartic_steering_wheel.jpg

17:37 <Mon_Ouie> Yeah, I think it was the space beefore the ' '

17:38 <Mon_Ouie> >> "test"

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17:38 <Eiam> >>"hello" !="yo"

17:38 <eval-in_> Eiam => true (https://eval.in/36598)

17:38 <Mon_Ouie> before the '>>'*

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17:38 <Mon_Ouie> (You can still have the one after)

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17:38 <apeiros> oh, didn't see that he had a space there. might just be my irc client, though

17:39 <Eiam> i didn't put a space there..

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17:39 <popl> apparently you did

17:39 <Eiam> no, didi

17:39 <Eiam> i did

17:39 <Eiam> weird ;)

17:39 <popl> not really weird at all

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17:39 <Eiam> this is why invisibles as control structures should be *heavily frowned upon!*

17:39 <popl> cout: That looks painful.

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17:39 * Eiam stares at python

17:39 <Eiam> (and some parts of ruby)

17:40 <cout> popl: it is quite possibly one of the worst cars ever made.

17:40 <popl> I guess there are a lot of cars in that set.

17:40 <vraptor> guess I was overthinking things

17:40 <vraptor> thanks

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17:41 <popl> The Shark wheel seems pretty neat though.

17:41 <Eiam> vraptor: !"hello".eql?("yo")

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17:42 <Eiam> vraptor: anyway, be careful as those are different types of equality checks

17:43 <Eiam> == is a loose "value" check, .eql? is a class check

17:43 <Eiam> "can be a"

17:43 <matti> vraptor: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7156955/whats-the-difference-between-equal-eql-and

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17:44 <Eiam> ^ yeah that is cleaner =0-

17:44 <vraptor> Eiam: yes, I knew that .eql? was not the same as ==

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17:46 <vraptor> I keep forgetting that I can prepend stuff like ! to objects

17:47 <apeiros> == is in terms of sorting

17:47 <apeiros> == is true if <=> is 0

17:47 <vraptor> thanks for the link matti, that's a good explanation

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17:48 <cout> popl: it does seem neat. I want one on my race car.

17:49 <popl> >race car

17:49 <popl> cout: just one?

17:49 <cout> yeah just one

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17:49 <cout> put it in the center of the car

17:50 <popl> you'd have to redesign your powertrain

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17:50 <cout> coupla welds oughta do it

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18:03 <alainus> If I have rvm, can I remove all binary versions of ruby with apt-get remove ?

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18:07 <apeiros> alainus: rvm doesn't know about apt, apt doesn't know about rvm. so unless I misunderstand your question: no.

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18:08 <MrZYX> I think he wants to know if he needs a system ruby for RVM (and possibly other stuff) to work

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18:10 <spike|spiegel> leave that fuck in, you'll have dependency foo for distro upgrades later

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18:11 <alainus> I'm having issues with mkmf when installing mysql2, and I found on stackoverflow that it was possibly the ruby binary modifying the PATH

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18:13 <spike|spiegel> ruby binary doesn't modify PATH.

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18:13 <spike|spiegel> unless you mean someshit named bundler doing it

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18:14 <bobthecookie> hey, can anyone help me with my rails installation on Linux Mint? I've gotten to "gem install rails", but it returns an error at that point

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18:15 <fryguy> bobthecookie: start pasting to gist

18:15 <bobthecookie> fryguy: gist?

18:15 <fryguy> yes

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18:15 <bobthecookie> what is that exactly?

18:16 <fryguy> bobthecookie: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gist

18:16 <Mon_Ouie> http://gist.github.com

18:17 <popl> or just /topic

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18:17 <popl> 'cause it's mentioned there :)

18:17 <bobthecookie> so what exactly do I put in there? the message in the terminal?

18:18 <MrZYX> no, all your passwords so we take over your machine and fix your setup

18:18 <popl> heh

18:18 <bobthecookie> hunter2

18:18 <bobthecookie> https://gist.github.com/SharmaNikhil/5936298

18:18 <bobthecookie> there

18:18 <bobthecookie> that's the message in there terminal

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18:19 <popl> Is that your github account?

18:19 <MrZYX> it says "Successfully installed rails-4.0.0"

18:19 <fryguy> looks like it installed to me

18:19 <bobthecookie> let me show you how that doesn't work, one second

18:19 <popl> bobthecookie: Is that your github account?

18:19 <Hanmac1> bobthecookie: do you use rvm ?

18:20 <bobthecookie> https://gist.github.com/SharmaNikhil/5936303

18:20 <bobthecookie> and yeah, that's my account

18:20 <bobthecookie> I don't use RVM

18:20 <fryguy> bobthecookie: also, give strong consideration to using rbenv (or rvm or chruby if you prefer), as sudo installing gems is going to cause you trouble eventually

18:20 <popl> You weren't aware of gist though? o_O

18:20 <popl> weird

18:20 <bobthecookie> no, I wasn't aware. I don't share code snippets

18:21 <cout> bobthecookie: try opening a new terminal window

18:21 <bobthecookie> will do

18:21 <bobthecookie> what would the benefit of RVM be?

18:21 <MrZYX> bobthecookie: run gem env to find out where your gem executables are installed to and ensure that's in your $PATH

18:21 <havenwood> bobthecookie: Installing and selecting the Ruby you want to use.

18:22 <havenwood> bobthecookie: Or ruby-install to install and chruby to select: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby#readme

18:22 <bobthecookie> ah, alright, does sudo apt-get install rvm work?

18:22 <interactionjaxsn> bobthecookie: and keeping your per app/project gem dependancies in their own silo

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18:22 <bobthecookie> same results in a new terminal window

18:23 <fryguy> bobthecookie: you should probably give consideration to chruby or rbenv over rvm. they are simpler and less complicated in general

18:23 <Mon_Ouie> It looks like your PATH isn't setup properly

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18:23 <bobthecookie> How would I fix that? I'm new to Rails

18:23 <Mon_Ouie> It should contain the path to the gem binary directory

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18:23 <Mon_Ouie> Which for ruby 2.0 would probably be ~/.gem/ruby/2.0.0/bin

18:24 <fryguy> it won't be homedir, since he sudo installed it

18:24 <bobthecookie> oh, I have ruby 1.9.3. For Rails 3.2.8, should I upgrade?

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18:24 <fryguy> you should DEFINITELY upgrade from 3.2.8, as for ruby version, that's up to you

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18:25 <bobthecookie> I can't, I need rails 3.2.8 for work

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18:25 <MrZYX> what site for example? I need a new server...

18:25 <fryguy> bobthecookie: rails 3.2.8 has multiple public facing security vulnerabilities, and if your work is still using it and that box isn't owned and taken over i'd be surprised

18:25 <havenwood> bobthecookie: 2.0.0-p247 ftw!

18:26 <bobthecookie> fryguy: We'll be upgrading soon, but for right now we're stuck on 3.2.8

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18:26 <popl> that's easy then, just wait to deal with it

18:26 <popl> \o/

18:26 <fryguy> bobthecookie: hire competent sysadmins, or quit your job. seriously.

18:26 <MrZYX> there's no reason to not upgrade to .13

18:26 <bobthecookie> fryguy: Ha, you talk as though there are more than 6 people that work here

18:26 <MrZYX> there are 0 breaking changes

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18:27 <fryguy> bobthecookie: there is zero excuse for even a 1-man shop

18:27 <naeluh> Hi I am getting this error in ubuntu 13.04 ERROR: While executing gem ... (OptionParser::InvalidOption) invalid option: --include-dependencies

18:27 <MrZYX> just gimme your site, I'll upgrade it for you

18:27 <naeluh> why would that be happening

18:27 <bobthecookie> fryguy: Have you ever tried to run a business? There're bigger priorities than that, such as trying to get a functional product up before you're out of cash

18:28 <fryguy> bobthecookie: lol

18:28 <popl> poor planning you mean?

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18:28 <popl> :)

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18:28 <MrZYX> bigger priorities than your product not being owned?

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18:28 <bobthecookie> What do you mean by that?

18:28 <havenwood> pwnd

18:28 <MrZYX> there are f*cking serious security issues in .8

18:28 <talntid> people don't care about security until it happens

18:28 <naeluh> I am trying to install ruby on rails for the first time

18:28 <naeluh> I wanted to try refinery

18:28 <popl> talntid: I think I know what you meant and that's what counts. ;)

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18:29 <bobthecookie> There'll always be ways to take down your system

18:29 <spike|spiegel> naeluh: go to #rubyonrails

18:29 <naeluh> spike|spiegel: ok cool

18:29 <naeluh> what is this irc for ?

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18:29 <fryguy> naeluh: ruby

18:29 <MrZYX> bobthecookie: every 10year old can take down a .8

18:29 <popl> bobthecookie: ok, that's cool. either upgrade or don't. it's up to you. your argument is specious.

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18:29 * popl shrugs

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18:30 <bobthecookie> I'm just trying to get rails on my computer

18:30 <fryguy> bobthecookie: if your site isn't live yet, please put it live right now and watch what happens to a .8 install

18:30 <MrZYX> it's downloading backtrack and entering the url to your site

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18:30 <bobthecookie> there's some issue, and it's having issues

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18:30 <bobthecookie> lol, I wasnt thinking there

18:30 <popl> bobthecookie: what these nice people are trying to say is that if you don't bother upgrading rails then you're going to have bigger issues.

18:30 <bobthecookie> there's some issue

18:30 <bobthecookie> I'm trying to fixit

18:31 <spike|spiegel> bobthecookie: ok, not jumping on you, rails 3.2.8 is a BAD choice. you can just replace it ith 3.2.13 without breakage. just update.

18:31 <bobthecookie> we will upgrade soon

18:31 <bobthecookie> fine, how exactly do I install 3.2.13?

18:31 <havenwood> Semantic versioning with ~> in the Gemfile is your friend.

18:31 <bobthecookie> because gem install rails doesn't work

18:31 <Mon_Ouie> gem install rails -v 3.2.13

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18:32 <havenwood> bobthecookie: Or edit the Gemfile for `~> 3.2.13` and bundle.

18:32 <fryguy> bobthecookie: do you think it's strange that the fact you don't understand the very basics of the platform, such as getting it running, and yet you are ignoring the advice of every active person in the channel about upgrading is strange?

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18:32 <MrZYX> bobthecookie: as a rails dev you should know http://bundler.io/ by heart

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18:32 <bobthecookie> I'm still new to the system

18:33 <Uranio> hi, nobody think to answer nothing in rails# could I make an ActiveRecord question heres?

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18:33 <havenwood> #RubyOnRails

18:33 <bobthecookie> fryguy: I've been searching for a solution to the issue I'm having for a while, and had found nothing. It's not the basics, I've already tried that

18:33 <havenwood> Would be nice if #Rails redirected to #RubyOnRails.

18:33 <fryguy> bobthecookie: it very much is the basics

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18:34 * Hanmac gives a shit about bundler or rails

18:34 <MrZYX> bobthecookie: it's unix basics, learn about PATH. As I wrote like half an hour ago

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18:34 <havenwood> bobthecookie: Or use a tool like chruby to set the PATH correctly for you.

18:34 <fryguy> or learn about rbenv, or rvm, which take care of the path stuff for you in the installation instructions

18:34 <havenwood> ^

18:34 <fryguy> which you've also ignored us about

18:34 <bobthecookie> Alright, I'll look into those when I have some spare time

18:34 <bobthecookie> I didn't ignore you on that

18:35 <MrZYX> seriously, if you're working on a *nix you should at least know about PATH

18:35 <bobthecookie> I asked a followup question, whih you promptly ignored

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18:35 <fryguy> bobthecookie: if you didn't ignore us, then why isn't it installed? it takes < 2mins to install

18:35 <popl> this is entirely ridiculous.

18:35 <fryguy> welll, i guess that's not true, it takes about 5 since you'll be compiling ruby with ruby-build, sorry

18:35 <popl> :(

18:35 <bobthecookie> well, let's see, I have more important issues to solve than not having rvm

18:35 <havenwood> fryguy: or ruby-install!

18:35 <bobthecookie> that's why it's not installed

18:35 <popl> like bitching in an IRC channel instead of following advice

18:36 <havenwood> https://github.com/postmodern/ruby-install#readme

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18:36 <havenwood> ^ New kid on the block, but pretty slick.

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18:37 <cout> bobthecookie: there's a decent chance that using rvm will solve your current problem.

18:37 <bobthecookie> well, thank you to whoever actually gave advice and didn't decide to patronize, it actually helped me get rails on this system

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18:37 <bobthecookie> cout: how would it do that?

18:37 <cout> bobthecookie: long story

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18:38 <cout> bobthecookie: you got rails running? I missed that part.

18:38 <bobthecookie> cout: Well, whatever. I'll look into it

18:38 <fryguy> bobthecookie: because like we told you earlier, your problem is most likely with PATH, and these tools handle PATH for you (or are baked into the installation instructions)

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18:38 <bobthecookie> fryguy: I asked about that, and instead of help, I got insults

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18:38 <popl> I don't think anybody insulted you.

18:38 <fryguy> bobthecookie: you also got those 2 facts stated to you directly

18:38 <fryguy> no idea why you didn't listen to them

18:39 <Mon_Ouie> Didn't gem use to give you a warning when the path it installed binaries too wasn't in PATH? (Or rather, doesn't it still do it?)

18:39 <bobthecookie> fryguy: I asked about what rvm would do, how to get it, etc. Instead of straight answers, you made fun of me for not knowing.

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18:39 <bobthecookie> no, it didn't

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18:39 <fryguy> bobthecookie: that is entirely false

18:39 <popl> I don't think anybody made fun of you.

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18:40 <popl> bobthecookie: You're being defensive.

18:40 <bobthecookie> Well then, you have a very strange way of talking

18:40 <havenwood> bobthecookie: In any case, TL;DR: Tools like RVM, chruby/ruby-install, and rbenv/ruby-build setup and select your Rubies for you.

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18:40 <havenwood> Read about them, pick your poison.

18:40 <Mon_Ouie> It still does here. WARNING: You don't have … in your PATH

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18:43 <bobthecookie> is there a way to remove a specific version of rails

18:43 <bobthecookie> ?

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18:43 <havenwood> bobthecookie: gem help uninstall

18:43 <bobthecookie> alright, thanks

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18:43 <havenwood> gem uninstall iz_a_gem -v 0.0.0

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18:45 <havenwood> I proposed adding `gem uninstall --all` after hearing people ask how to uninstall all gems one-to-many-times: https://github.com/rubygems/rubygems/pull/584

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18:46 <bobthecookie> that's odd, I still have rails 4 after trying to remove it with "gem uninstall"

18:46 <bobthecookie> should I try apt-get remove?

18:47 <fryguy> bobthecookie: please please please save us all a bunch of time and install rbenv

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18:47 <havenwood> bobthecookie: Did you use apt to install Ruby?

18:47 <bobthecookie> alright, fine, it's downloading

18:47 <bobthecookie> and yes, I did

18:48 <bobthecookie> ok, I have rbenv

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18:48 <havenwood> did you select the apt installed Ruby with update-alternatives?

18:48 <aedorn> havenwood: Now it just needs an option to remove all gems but the ones that get installed with a basic Ruby installation

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18:48 <bobthecookie> no, I haven't

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18:48 <havenwood> aedorn: yeah, that is what the proposed `gem uninstall --all` would do.

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18:49 <havenwood> bobthecookie: Well, however you want to do it. Fine to go apt-get/update-alternatives route. But do pick one. >.>

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18:50 <bobthecookie> havenwood: I'm not familiar enough with this to know what you're talking about.

18:50 <bobthecookie> havenwood: apt-get remove rails doesn't work, which isn't unexpected

18:51 <aedorn> oh right. GEM_HOME ..

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18:51 <havenwood> what isn't expected about it? the rails gem isn't an apt-get package

18:51 <bobthecookie> exactly. I just thought I'd try it, but of course it didn't work

18:52 <bobthecookie> gem uninstall rails didn't work eithr

18:52 <bobthecookie> either*

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18:55 <havenwood> bobthecookie: If `gem uninstall rails` didn't worked, something is borked with your setup. Carefully following RVM, ruby-build/rbenv, or ruby-install/chruby instructions before you try Rails again is probably your best bet.

18:55 <havenwood> bobthecookie: And #RubyOnRails for the rails stuff. :)

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18:55 <bobthecookie> havenwood: I have rbenv, and alright, I didn't know that channel existed

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18:56 <havenwood> bobthecookie: When you run into the inevitable rbenv binaries not showing up: rbenv rehash

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18:56 <havenwood> Seems that is always the solution to any rbenv question here, lol. rbenv rehash

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18:57 <Eiam> has rvm fallen that far out of favor?

18:57 <havenwood> Eiam: I think it is still really popular.

18:57 <Eiam> i've not had any problems with it ,but seems like these days everyone is all about rbenv

18:57 <havenwood> Eiam: chruby!!!

18:57 <apeiros> Eiam: I still happily use rvm

18:58 <Eiam> I've already got all my VMs & chef setup to configure with RVM so its not like I'm going to switch "just because"

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18:58 <apeiros> and until it gives me cause to change, I'll stick to it

18:58 <Eiam> ^

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18:58 <fryguy> apeiros: that's the general consensus i think

18:58 <Eiam> thought maybe I missed something (that was serious)

18:58 <havenwood> Eiam: A thoughtbot'er did a nice blog post writeup recently on chruby: http://pbrisbin.com/posts/chruby

18:58 <fryguy> apeiros: i think any new install should give seriously consideration to moving away from rvm, but if you already have it set up and working, fuckit leave it alone

18:58 <Eiam> fryguy: why?

18:58 <Eiam> that comes back to, whats wrong with rvm

18:59 <havenwood> RVM does support installing Rubies and then managing them with chruby, which is kinda cool integration.

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18:59 <apeiros> Eiam: nothing, but evaluation your choices is a good idea

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18:59 <fryguy> Eiam: i think that rvm is too complicated for what it does, and with the advent of bundler all but removing the need for gemsets, a simpler tool might work out better

18:59 <aedorn> I used RVM once, and now use chruby. Not because I didn't like RVM or had to switch, but mostly because chruby setup was quicker when I reloaded all my systems.

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18:59 <Eiam> guess if I already know & use rvm no real point then ;)

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19:00 <fryguy> Eiam: yep, next time you reinstall or provision a new machine though, take a look around :)

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19:02 <havenwood> Eiam: Only about 90 lines of readable shell code if you want to give chruby a peek: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/blob/master/share/chruby/chruby.sh

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19:02 <Eiam> nah, appreciate it, got too much on the queue to learn to pile more shit in to replace a workign tool

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19:28 <platzhirsch1> I learnt that . (dot) is the message sending operator. So obj.method just sends method to obj

19:28 <platzhirsch1> can I define something, that obj."string" will be evaluated?

19:29 <MrZYX> then we wouldn't have #send I guess

19:29 <Morrolan> As in, obj."string" calling the 'string' method on obj? :)

19:29 <platzhirsch1> Morrolan: hm, maybe?

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19:30 <platzhirsch1> don't know. It does not make much sense for me. Just wondered about after the explanation of message passing

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19:32 <platzhirsch1> let's get rid of this stalker 1

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19:33 <platzhirsch> so

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19:35 <Morrolan> You can use "/nick new_nick" to change your nickname, by the way. :)

19:35 <Morrolan> As for 'message sending' - I always thought it was a nice way of explaining, in a non-technical way, what method calls are.

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19:35 <Morrolan> Apart from that it probably doesn't much matter how it's implemented internally. :)

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19:36 <Eiam> platzhirsch: wouldn't you just have obj.string then?!

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19:37 <Eiam> and just def string on your object?

19:37 <Eiam> being the same as obj.send(:string) ??

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19:38 <platzhirsch> Eiam: no, I really meant every object of type string

19:38 <platzhirsch> obj.'foo', obj.'something', ..

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19:38 <Eiam> method_missing ?

19:38 <Morrolan> You can achieve that with obj.send('foo'), obj.send('something') :)

19:38 <Morrolan> Eiam: That won't respond if you actually put a *string* behind the dot. :)

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19:39 <Eiam> really?

19:39 <apeiros> platzhirsch: that wouldn't make sense

19:39 <Morrolan> It's a syntax error.

19:39 <apeiros> if your string contains the method name, then why use as obj.'foo' instead of obj.foo?

19:39 <Eiam> right.

19:39 <apeiros> and if you mean "but then we can use dynamic method names" - no, you can't

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19:39 <Eiam> atleast im not alone in being confused at the goal here

19:39 <apeiros> because a literal isn't a variable

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19:40 <platzhirsch> There is no goal. Sorry for the confusion. Just wondered whether you can make an obj respond to certain types

19:40 <platzhirsch> the same would go for obj.5

19:40 <apeiros> no

19:41 <apeiros> methods and objects are two different concepts

19:41 <apeiros> an object responds to methods, not objects.

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19:42 <platzhirsch> okay, then I got this wrong when reading Well grounded Rubyist. Then the author meant only method names can be sent to objects

19:42 <waxjar> you can give methods all kinds of fancy names (even with spaces in them) but you cant call them with the dot operator like that

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19:42 <platzhirsch> waxjar: spaces?

19:42 <fryguy> sure

19:42 <waxjar> yup

19:43 <apeiros> only with define_method and friends

19:43 <apeiros> and you can only invoke those with send and friends

19:44 <platzhirsch> ah ok

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19:44 <platzhirsch> I thought this is how some of the DSLs as used by RSpec are made, but okay. That makes sense

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19:52 <apeiros> platzhirsch: most DSLs use either proxy objects + method missing or instance_eval

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19:53 <platzhirsch> apeiros: ah ok, good to know

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20:53 <Mendon> How do you do, for example, subject.send("#{bla}<<",thing_to_add_to_collection)?

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20:54 <Mendon> I suppose I can use push..

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20:55 <MrZYX> what'd bla be?

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20:55 <Mendon> In this case the name of the has_many relation in rails.

20:56 <MrZYX> subject.public_send(bla).public_send(:<<, thing_to_add_to_collection)

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20:56 <Mendon> I think I like push better, but thank you for that.

20:57 <MrZYX> yeah, it's bullshit, subject.public_send(bla) << thing_to_add should work as well

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21:03 <alainus> Where can I find a manual on Ruby & MySQL ? Preferably using the Mysql2 gem

21:03 <apeiros> how do you call the container for many keychains?

21:03 <alainus> Or rather, can anyone recommend a good one ?

21:03 <apeiros> (a keychain contains many keys, what contains many keychains?)

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21:05 <fryguy> alainus: what's wrong with the documentation for the mysql2 gem itself? it has a pretty substantial README

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21:06 <alainus> fryguy, I find it too concise. It provides docs for how to connect and how to make queries. That's it. I was hoping some kind of introduction on how to handle SQL data from ruby (turn it into an array, transform it, store it, etc.)

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21:08 <fryguy> alainus: um, did you look at or run any of the examples? they mention how to do things with rows of results, how to convert them to arrays, etc.

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21:09 <alainus> fryguy, well yes that's a start. I think I'll go from there. Thanks

21:10 <Eiam> apeiros: I'd call it a keychain =)

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21:10 <atmosx> apeiros: a locker

21:10 <apeiros> Eiam: a keychain keychain? :)

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21:10 <apeiros> a keychainchain?

21:10 <atmosx> kleidoscope

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21:11 <MrZYX> keybox

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21:12 <atmosx> or use a Greek name: Kleidaria

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21:12 <alainus> fryguy, I found this one, seems good, just in case anyone else is wondering: http://zetcode.com/db/mysqlrubytutorial/

21:12 <alainus> uses mysql and not mysql2 apparently but that's the same to me

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21:13 <Eiam> hmm, not a keybag..

21:13 <apeiros> atmosx: nice

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21:13 <apeiros> (locker)

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21:17 <alainus> case ARGV \n when .include?('-a') \n ... \n when not .include?('-b') \n ... \n end

21:17 <alainus> What's the proper way of doing that?

21:18 <apeiros> if/else

21:18 <apeiros> or use regexen

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21:18 <apeiros> or rather: use a proper option parser already.

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21:18 <alainus> apeiros, can you recommend one pls

21:19 <alainus> optparse

21:19 <alainus> got it

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21:21 <apeiros> optparse if you want stdlib, and I heard good things about slop, if a gem is fine with you.

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21:36 <albedoa> i'm drawing a blank. how do you write a range with no upper limit? like name[1..]?

21:36 <alainus> How do I check if every element of a hash is empry ?

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21:36 <Morrolan> alainus: All keys? All values? All keys and values?

21:36 <MrZYX> albedoa: 1..Float::INFINITY

21:36 <alainus> Morrolan, just all values

21:37 <albedoa> MrZYX thanks

21:37 <apeiros> name[1..-1]

21:37 <apeiros> easier for this one

21:37 <alainus> hash.keys.empty?

21:37 <Morrolan> alainus: hash.values.all?(&:empty?)

21:38 <waxjar> Hash has an empty? method

21:38 <alainus> yeah but that assumes it has no keys and no values

21:38 <Morrolan> Oh, I probably missunderstood. What does 'empty' mean in your case?

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21:38 <apeiros> o0

21:38 <Morrolan> My solution would work if you were referring to empty strings as your hash values.

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21:39 <Morrolan> (or arrays, or anything else which implements #empty?)

21:39 <apeiros> or anything which responds to .empty?

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21:39 <apeiros> personally I'd understand "every element" as "every value" too

21:39 <apeiros> (as in: not regarding the keys)

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21:41 <apeiros> alainus: how does Morrolan's solution "assume it has no keys and no values"?

21:41 <alainus> no, I was talking to waxjar

21:41 <apeiros> eh, Hash#empty? assumes nothing, but I get what you mean.

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21:42 <alainus> still, Morrolan, doesn't work. This is how hash.values looks: [nil, nil, nil]

21:42 <alainus> should I change empty? for nil?

21:42 <Morrolan> Yea.

21:42 <Morrolan> nil probably doesn't respond to empty?.

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21:43 <apeiros> alainus: define your problem properly

21:43 <apeiros> before you do that, nobody can help you

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21:43 <apeiros> i.e., >> Morrolan: … What does 'empty' mean in your case?

21:43 <Hanmac> it stinks after a rails problem

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21:44 <Shirakawasuna> Is there a ruby newbs channel? If so I apologize for the following question: I'm looking at some code that says `Scope.new base: arguments`. I'm learning ruby + style guides and trying to figure out what that is actually doing. Is it equivalent to `Scope.new({ base: arguments })`?

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21:44 <MrZYX> yes

21:45 <Hanmac> Shirakawasuna: yes and also equal to Scope.new({ :base => arguments })

21:45 <apeiros> Shirakawasuna: newbie questions are welcome here

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21:45 <Shirakawasuna> awesome, thanks!

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22:05 <Shirakawasuna> For a class method that just prints a value, should I do anything regarding a return value? My understanding is that it will return whatever the last statement was, but I wouldn't want someone actually using output of that method anyways.

22:06 <Hanmac> Shirakawasuna: look at the difference between p and puts

22:07 <apeiros> Shirakawasuna: just add self or nil as the last statement

22:08 <apeiros> while there are lots of advocates of "don't bother", I personally find it a good idea to not leak arbitrary data from your methods

22:08 <Shirakawasuna> apeiros: That's what I was thinking. So that's good practice? There are a lot of class methods like the one I'm reviewing

22:08 <aedorn> or just 'return'

22:08 <apeiros> aedorn: same as plain `nil`

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22:08 <apeiros> (since return's default return value is nil)

22:08 <aedorn> yup, just tossing another option out there

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22:09 <Hanmac> or if you use p in the last line replace it with puts

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22:09 <apeiros> kk

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22:09 <apeiros> Hanmac: I don't think Shirakawasuna said he was using `p`

22:09 <Hanmac> or you can use the #display method

22:09 <Hanmac> apeiros: i was only guessing

22:09 <Shirakawasuna> I'm looking at code that just uses some 'puts' lines

22:09 <Shirakawasuna> sorry

22:09 <Shirakawasuna> should've been more explicit

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22:10 <apeiros> puts already returns nil, though

22:10 <Shirakawasuna> ah

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22:13 <kinginky> hey all. i have a problem where i need to convert a string like "3 Days" or "6 Weeks" to a date. I know of the methods like 10.weeks.ago, but im wondering how i might go about converting these strings to dates. hours, months, and years never appear, it's always either 'Days' or 'Weeks'

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22:14 <kinginky> i think i recall finding a gem to do this once, but cant find it on google now

22:14 <Hanmac> kinginky: activesupport may did this

22:15 <atmosx_> kinginky: if thee are no ready methods you can use scan and use Days/Weeks as keywords and the number

22:15 <superscott[8]> kinginky: you thinking of ice_cube?

22:15 <atmosx_> hm apparently there are ready solutions :-)

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22:15 <kinginky> superscott[8]: dont think this is what i saw, but ill check into this further

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22:15 <kinginky> atmosx_ can u elaborate a bit on 'as keywords'?

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22:16 <aedorn> chronic_duration gem will convert "3 weeks", "2 days" etc into seconds. And then you can subtract those seconds from the current time if you need the exact date.

22:16 <kinginky> aedorn: i think that was it.

22:16 <kinginky> aedorn, this looks right. thanks so much!

22:16 <superscott[8]> kinginky: it's more for setting up schedules on a calendar, but i found it useful outside of that use case

22:17 <kinginky> superscott[8]: certainly, ill put it in my to-read list :) thank you

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22:18 <Shirakawasuna> Reading style guides, some say to omit parentheses for methods like puts or attr_reader. To what group of methods do those belong, so I can omit parentheses for that whole group?

22:19 <atmosx_> kinginky: You can write your own module doing what you need. It's not hard to implement.

22:20 <kinginky> atmosx_: true enough, just wondered about that gem (chronic_duration). ill probably use your idea w/ this gem as my approach

22:21 <kinginky> or maybe not. might just use regex in a module :P

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22:24 <momomomomo> kinginky: Active Support translates .time.ago to a Date

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22:26 <atmosx_> kinginky: https://gist.github.com/atmosx/5937615

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22:28 <atmosx_> firefox just became awful

22:28 <atmosx_> a facebook messenger bar appeared on the left omg

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22:32 <mcatch> i have a string in memory that spans multiple lines, with every other line containing a key, and every other other line containing a value that maps to the key before it (https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5937629), how could i create a hash joining together every other line as a key/value pairing?

22:34 <MrZYX> Hash[*string.split("\n")]

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22:35 <momomomomo> and further reading mcatch http://api.rubyonrails.org/classes/Hash.html

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22:35 <momomomomo> rem * http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Hash.html - thought I was in the rails channel mcatch

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23:03 <Eiam> apeiros: keyring =)

23:03 <Eiam> my keyring has many keychains on it ;p

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23:23 <alainus> has anyone used sqldsl ?

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23:48 <kinginky> i've run into a problem. using Date.strptime, i'm trying to convert a date string into a date object. the dates are in a format such as '1/2/1999', notice the lack of padding. i'm using '%-m/%-d/%Y' as my arguent in strptime. i've even entered the same format @ http://strfti.me/ and it works fine. still, i'm getting the "invalid date" error. any ideas?

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23:49 <kinginky> i'm using ruby 1.9.3p327 if it matters. that's the only thought i had, maybe my version doesnt support using '-'. my other calls to strptime (without '-') work fine.

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23:52 <kinginky> ah... looks like 1.9.3 uses strftime. let me give it a shot.

23:53 <kinginky> nevermind. was looking at DateTime by mistake

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23:53 <popl> \o/

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23:53 <kinginky> well the strangest part is i can't play with it in IRB, when i try to call Date.strptime, it give 'undefined method'

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23:58 <r0bgleeson> kinginky: require 'date'

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