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<MJBrune>
hello. I am using ERB and I wanted to create a button that is tied to a function. When you push the button, the function is ran, not before or after the button is pressed.
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<MJBrune>
is this the correct place to inquire?
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<xybre>
MJBrune: HTML? Maybe try the #rubyonrails channel.
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<MJBrune>
xybre: ill try thanks
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<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: you want to setup a click handler for the button. nothing to do with ruby/rails.
<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: it's very easy to do, are you using jquery?
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<MJBrune>
r0bglees0n: I've not yet.
<MJBrune>
but I can
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<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: if you include jquery you can write something like, $("#the-button").click(function(e) { .. });
<MJBrune>
r0bglees0n: do you have an example I can see?
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<MJBrune>
r0bglees0n: because I want to run a ruby function from instead of function(e){ .. } and thats what I am getting an issue on
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<MJBrune>
if I do something like function(e) { <% somerubyfunction() %> } it will just populate the function with the output of the ruby function, not actually run it.
<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: you can't run a ruby function in the browser, you need to hit an action on your controller.
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<MJBrune>
r0bglees0n: I am not using a MVC setup but I guess I can start
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<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: no you dont need to
<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: you need to make a HTTP request to your web application though
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<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: you could implement the click of the button to hit your server and redirect to another page or use AJAX to do it asynchronously and never reload the page.
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<MJBrune>
r0bglees0n: ill see what I can do
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<jumpingcloud>
xybre: looks like that only works with numbers?
<jumpingcloud>
<xybre>
<jumpingcloud>
`[]': can't convert Array into Integer
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<s2013>
if i want to do something lik ea coordinate system i have to use a matrix right?
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<jrobeson>
ea?
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<robonerd>
hey all, i've been away from ruby/rails for about 5 years. i'm coming back, with a few web apps & web sites i need to build. when i left i probably would have built them in pure ruby myself, but i know rails has changed a lot in the time. should i use rails? or, how can i know the answer to that question?
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<jrobeson>
robonerd, whether you would use rails really depends on the sites themselves
<robonerd>
go on
<jrobeson>
and your own perspective as to what such a framework should do
<jrobeson>
that's it..
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<sevenseacat>
still hating those zombies?
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<jrobeson>
aloha sevenseacat
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<sevenseacat>
afternoon
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<robonerd>
jrobeson well to be honest, i've been in objc/ios land for so long i can't quite remember what solid web app/site architecture looks like
<robonerd>
it'll take a few days to swich gears
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<robonerd>
i wonder if the best approach would be to start with pure ruby, and when i see a lot of repetitive shit, check out if rails would solve problems?
<jrobeson>
oh .. definitely not..
<jrobeson>
there's stuff like padrino and such that you should use before doing it manually
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<jrobeson>
i really don't imagine that you'll be want to implement every bit about csrf protection and such
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<robonerd>
csrf?
<jrobeson>
seems like a waste of your time.. and the clients money
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<jrobeson>
cross site request forgery..
<jrobeson>
there's like a million ways to hack websites.. and if you're not really careful.. you'll write very vulnerable code
<jrobeson>
definitely a lot has developed on that front in the past 5 years for sure
<jrobeson>
plus stuff like breach/crime mitigation, and all sorts of other junk
<jrobeson>
and the older stuff like xsrf and sql injection
<robonerd>
well sql injection is pretty easy to handle, but how is cross site request forgery handled?
<robonerd>
what is it even?
<jrobeson>
web security is hard.. i wouldn't recommend doing it yourself
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<jrobeson>
i'm not going to repeat what you can eaisly google
<jrobeson>
there are so many people who could say it better htan i could
<robonerd>
sec
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<robonerd>
seems odd this can be done by piggy backing fucking IMG tags and shit
<robonerd>
seems any external hyperlinks should have required content type specification and matching
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<sevenseacat>
well its not new that thats not how things work
<robonerd>
yea
<robonerd>
so what can a framework do to protect against this stuff?
<sevenseacat>
see what jrobeson already said
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<robonerd>
hmm
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<robonerd>
sinatra seems even more basic than padrino
<robonerd>
i wonder if i'd want to start there then up to padrino after
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<robonerd>
oh yea, ruby has duck typing. are there any open web programming languages which are strongly typed that have a big ecosystem like ruby has?
<robonerd>
i like strong typing now :)
<sevenseacat>
java? :)
<jrobeson>
yep .. java
elaptics`away is now known as elaptics
<lewellyn>
java's typing is almost pathological in strength :)
<robonerd>
eh, i'm looking for something a bit more snazzy than long in the tooth java
<jrobeson>
scala
<robonerd>
like if ruby were tightened up a bit
<jrobeson>
then you can still use java libs and such
<robonerd>
with a focus on web app/web service/network service development
<jrobeson>
like playframework
<robonerd>
something that can hook in C very well could be nice too
<jrobeson>
java's ecosystem is not stagnant
<robonerd>
so hot spots in code could be put out to C
<jrobeson>
then there is nothing
<jrobeson>
go is the closest, but the ecosystem isn't there
<jrobeson>
you want too much
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<jrobeson>
but really.. almost nobody does that until they are scaling to millions
<jrobeson>
it's completley unnecessary
<jrobeson>
for almost everybody
<robonerd>
"does that" <- what specifically?
<jrobeson>
worries about moving code to C
<robonerd>
ah i mean, i want static typing. not strong typing per se
<robonerd>
i just want to know i can grow into that
<robonerd>
if the lang has a poor C hook in/FFI, i can't bother getting proficient in it
<jrobeson>
you should consider looking at go.. but the ecosystem really ins't there
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<robonerd>
i can't bring myself to support anything google
<robonerd>
android, go, whatever
<jrobeson>
then you're screwed
<sevenseacat>
lolwat
<jrobeson>
unless you just write in C
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<jrobeson>
you could use lua i guess
<sevenseacat>
are you for real?
<jrobeson>
great ffi there
<robonerd>
sevenseacat what do you mean
<jrobeson>
sevenseacat, i feel that way sometimes too..
<robonerd>
do ppl actually build web apps in lua?
<jrobeson>
yes
<robonerd>
i thought it was for scripting wow UIs
<robonerd>
heh
<jrobeson>
there are web app frameworks done in lua
<jrobeson>
my xmpp server is in lua
<sevenseacat>
'i want everything, i will concede nothing, and i will not use anything that has anything to do with the biggest company on the planet'
<jrobeson>
lol
<jrobeson>
yeah dude you're crazy
<jrobeson>
this conversation is pointless
<sevenseacat>
good luck with that :thumbsup"
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<jrobeson>
sevenseacat, not everybody sees this icons :)
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<jrobeson>
i don't
<robonerd>
not trying to be unreasonable here, geez, just putting out what i'm ideally looking for
<jrobeson>
there is no such thing
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<robonerd>
what i don't get about duck typing is how i can ensure i'm working with the right types of data without testing the class/kind of everything before use
<jrobeson>
not with any decent ecosystem anyways
<sevenseacat>
why do you need to?
<jrobeson>
that's fine.. i think everybody understand why people might not like it
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<jrobeson>
disliking duck typing is one thing.. that's ok
<robonerd>
because i don't want to continue on in my code if a number object is given where i'm expecting text
<robonerd>
what if my next operations are text object manipulation?
<sevenseacat>
then they will error
<robonerd>
yea at run time right?
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<sevenseacat>
yep
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<jrobeson>
robonerd, you don't have to defend not liking duck typing.. that's not the point
<robonerd>
having those errors at compile time eliminates an entire class of problems that can happen at run time, imo
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<robonerd>
so i'm looking for static typing, right?
<sevenseacat>
if you say so
<sevenseacat>
why are you here in #ruby again?
<jrobeson>
i'm inclined to agree with that
<robonerd>
sevenseacat because i love ruby and did thousands of lines of it
<robonerd>
geez back off plz
<sevenseacat>
i see
<robonerd>
it doesn't mean it's the right lang for me anymore
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<jrobeson>
so why arey ou asking here for recommendations for another language
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<jrobeson>
i think that is the point of the question
<sevenseacat>
^
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<robonerd>
because we're all still geeks and not religious zealots. right?
<jrobeson>
it's not about zealotry
<jrobeson>
i'm not zealously attached to ruby
<jrobeson>
but.. you have less of a chance of finding good advice on non ruby channel
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<jrobeson>
err on a ruby channel
<jrobeson>
for alternatives to ruby :)
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<robonerd>
k then suggest a better channel?
<jrobeson>
using a search engine
<jrobeson>
but pretty well everybody is gonna tell you what i just asaid
<sevenseacat>
there is a lot of language comparison stuff out there
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<jrobeson>
robonerd, i'm only here because i decided that i wanted to see what the ruby fuss is about after all these years.. i'm personally inclined more towards stronger typing.. but not religiously so
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<robonerd>
you guys seen Opa? looks kinda kewl
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<sevenseacat>
not i
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<robonerd>
lol, i JUST read this on the page: "Static typing [of Opa] helps catch most bugs at compile time rather than a stack trace at run time."
<jrobeson>
robonerd, one of your criteria was ecosystem.. so i didn't suggest anything that is small like that
<robonerd>
ahh...
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<robonerd>
ok ignore ecosystem, and replace it with stable/production ready/mature
<robonerd>
suggestions now?
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<sevenseacat>
i prefer the much tighter loop of edit code -> reload page (for a web framework)
<jrobeson>
well then i'd start in on things like erlang
<jrobeson>
oh.. C#.. that's a good choice
<jrobeson>
objective C
<jrobeson>
why not just use objective C? :) doesn't that have decent typing?
<robonerd>
i'd like something that could be dynamic during dev, but compiled for production
<jrobeson>
i've honestly never looked at it because i know of nothing
<robonerd>
well i could
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<robonerd>
i wonder how portable its runtime is
<apeiros>
there are C interpreters
<robonerd>
i prefer freebsd on the server, not os x :)
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<apeiros>
could write a C based webframework and run it on a C interpreter during dev
<jrobeson>
robonerd, remember that next is written with objective C, and that is portable
<apeiros>
(if anybody finds sarcasm, he/she can keep it)
<jrobeson>
but at that point.. i'd prefer to use lua
<sevenseacat>
:P
<jrobeson>
i like lua .. except the starting at 1 bit for array indices :)
<jrobeson>
but it does have a great FFI
<jrobeson>
plus.. lua is in all sort sof useful places.. like redis, nginx, postgres, etc
<robonerd>
ya true
<robonerd>
lua could work
<jrobeson>
i haven't looked around for general lua embedding in ruby, but there is strangely a lua embed module for php
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<jrobeson>
discarding the jvm as an option takes away alot of interesting options though
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<jrobeson>
like groovy, scala, and clojure
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<jrobeson>
oh.. nobody said haskell yet :)
<sevenseacat>
lua looks interesting
<sevenseacat>
i like haskell
<jrobeson>
not sure how the ecosystem is doing there though
<jrobeson>
and of course. erlang
<jrobeson>
i hate the erlang syntax though :(
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<jrobeson>
elixir is a possibility there
<sevenseacat>
erlang does indeed have scary syntax
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<robonerd>
how about Rust?
<jrobeson>
my brain wasn't ready for completely functional programming.. and from my understanding ejabberd (at least during the ejabberd 2.x series) is in fact not the best codebase to learn erlang from :)
<robonerd>
jrobeson java/jvm feels like it may be bloated and backdoored too easy
<jrobeson>
if you say so
<jrobeson>
there is nothing ot bakcup that statement though
<robonerd>
yea i've considered haskell
<jrobeson>
one of the best ways to run ruby is in fact via jruby
<jrobeson>
and same for python with jython
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<sevenseacat>
'feels like' isnt something we can work with
<jrobeson>
oh rust.. that's something i still haven't looked at .. but some people i like are working on it
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<jrobeson>
sevenseacat, ok.. i feel dumb.. buti 'm having trouble finding a good resource to learn about controller testing via rspect that isn't overly generic.. or doesn't include unnecesssary stuff (for me as of yet) like auth .. or isn't too old
<jrobeson>
i'm just looking for a good example for something as simple as the basic resource routes/controllers generated by rails
<sevenseacat>
lot of mixed opinions about controller testing in rspec
<jrobeson>
well there are mixed opinions on whether.. i know that
<jrobeson>
and then there are mixed opinions about using mocks
<jrobeson>
antyhing else ?
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<sevenseacat>
trying to think of how i arrived at how i like testing them, if there were any resources i used
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<Stalkr^>
Hey all, how come the first line returns zero mp3 files, the second return all? http://pastie.org/8343799
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<MrZYX>
hm, try without a space after the ,
<Stalkr^>
That did it, thanks
<Stalkr^>
Seems like it takes ' ' as part of the extension
<MrZYX>
yup
<MrZYX>
part of the pattern, the {foo,bar} syntax isn't specific to extensions
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<MrZYX>
/home/{john,bob}/music/**/*
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<Stalkr^>
It's basically this OR this OR this OR.. this, right?
<MrZYX>
yup
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<Stalkr^>
m3u doesn't really need yaml, but if I wanted a txt for the user to read with yaml syntax, what would be the easiest way to break / into a new array?
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<Stalkr^>
If that make sense
<MrZYX>
not sure, if you want to turn "foo/bar" into ["foo", "bar"] use the split method
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<Stalkr^>
['music', ['Artist 1', ['First Song 1', 'Second Song 2'], 'Artist 2', ['First Song 1']]] or something like that
<Stalkr^>
Wouldn't split just make it one, long array?
<MrZYX>
one per path
<Stalkr^>
Sweet, will test
<MrZYX>
which you then can use to combine it into that datastructure
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<MrZYX>
if you want to dump it as yaml a hash structure like {'music' => {'Artist' => ['Song1', 'Song2'], 'Artist2' => [...]}} might be handy
<Stalkr^>
I don't know how to that though, I have only read about arrays
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<mongrelion>
Hi there.
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<hoelzro>
ahoy
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<hanmac>
banisterfiend: you should watch Animaniacs ... i think you are old enough to understand the jokes ;D
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<banisterfiend>
Hanmac did u watch most recent A.T ?
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<hanmac>
i did at this time ... watched Earth and Water ... FlamePrincess as King is AWESOME ... i want to see how she kicks Azulas Butt from Avatar ;D
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<hanmac>
yeah ... a sandwich with "Lobster Soul" ;D
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<LMolr>
is there a quick way to convert an integer to a byte string?
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<LMolr>
for example 255 -> "\xff", 256 -> "\x01\xff"
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<platzhirsch>
I use Sidekiq and provide my own logger formatter. I want to display for each logging statement the id of the current worker. The formatter is a singleton, as is the logger. Any idea how I can persis this information?
<platzhirsch>
I thought Process.id works, I mapped the worker id to the Process.id, but apparently that changes as Sidekiq freely schedules the different processes
<MrZYX>
Doesn't sidekiqs own formatter do this?
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<platzhirsch>
MrZYX: it only prints the context, which shows the class and thread id
<platzhirsch>
but my worker are all, of course, from the same class, but with a different id (targets to work on)
<shevy>
what is the shortest way to call a method recursively
<shevy>
def foo(i); if i.is_a? Array # call itself recursively
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<shevy>
right now I have it hardcoded
<shevy>
but for longer method names, this is quite annoying
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<platzhirsch>
you can check it yourself, start Sidekiq and look at the processes
<platzhirsch>
ps -ef | grep "sidekiq"
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<LMolr>
apeiros, no problem. i appreciate your interest :)
<r0bglees0n>
okay, so sidekiq can have one process(one client) that distributes work throughout threads, or it can expand to multiple processes
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<platzhirsch>
r0bglees0n: I mean they write on their site that they use one process to handle multiple jobs
<r0bglees0n>
it still uses threads in both cases but you get more throughput
<platzhirsch>
but I always see multiple processes in my OS
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<platzhirsch>
Which does not mean that they don't use a thread pool, I believe that they use one process for multiple threads but could use multiple processes if there are too many jobs. But maybe I just get that wrong
<r0bglees0n>
no, sidekiq doesn't auto-scale the clients
<r0bglees0n>
you configure that
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<r0bglees0n>
if what youre saying is true, it has become resque, the thing it wanted to improve
<r0bglees0n>
i find it unlikely
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<platzhirsch>
No, I guess I am simply wrong I just grepped again and I see one process
<platzhirsch>
sidekiq [6 of 6 busy]
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<platzhirsch>
I confused it, because htop dispalys multiple processes, why so ever
<MrZYX>
htop displays the threads
<MrZYX>
try the tree view
<MrZYX>
also there an option to highlight threads in a different color
<platzhirsch>
ah, thanks :)
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<platzhirsch>
so my bad for spreading the confusion
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<r0bglees0n>
platzhirsch: no worries.
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<platzhirsch>
anyway, I cannot access anything in the logger formatter that would give me information about what worker has called a log statement
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<platzhirsch>
or maybe the thread does not change, I tried it again by exploiting the Thread.current hash store, and it seems to work, there I put my id and it gets correctly printed
<MrZYX>
sidekiq reuses worker threads but lets them crash if the job raises an exception (and spawns a replacement)
<r0bglees0n>
it emphaizes concurrency and not neccesarily parallelism/parallel threads
<platzhirsch>
ok, but since I add the identifier in perform()
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<r0bglees0n>
MrZYX: does it try to execute work in parallel or concurrently?
<MrZYX>
MRI doesn't allow parallel execution, but I think it just completely delegates that concern to celluloid (which I didn't look into yet)
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<r0bglees0n>
"Automatic "deadlock-free" synchronization: Celluloid uses a concurrent object model which combines method dispatch and thread synchronization. Each actor is a concurrent object running in its own thread, and every method invocation is wrapped in a fiber that can be suspended whenever it calls out to other actors, and resumed when the response is available."
<r0bglees0n>
so if your job called another actor, its concurrent
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<LMolr>
anyone else got a one-liner to convert an integer to bytes?
<LMolr>
i won't fall back to loops of divmod s
<platzhirsch>
LMolr: integers of arbitraly length?
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<platzhirsch>
LMolr: 123.to_s.each_bytes.to_a
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<Morrolan>
Erm. No, a string representation of an integer won't be made of the same bytes as the integer if represented in a binary form.
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<Ziarkaen>
I want to write a class Foo, similar to the built-in Struct, which yields a class when instantiated (with parameters). So I could write e.g. class MyClass < Foo(a); end.
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<Banistergalaxy>
Ziarkaen it would be a method bb
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<Ziarkaen>
Banistergalaxy: bb?
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<r0bglees0n>
Ziarkaen: def Foo(a); Class.new(a) {}; end; class A < Foo(StandardError); end
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<LMolr>
for example. 0 -> "\x00", 1 -> "\x01", ..., 255 -> "\xff", 256 -> "\x01\x00", ... and so on ...
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<Ziarkaen>
r0bglees0n: Thanks.
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<platzhirsch>
LMolr: ah okay, maybe with Array.pack?
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<LMolr>
platzhirsch, i am trying, but getting weird results
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<LMolr>
also, i dont understand why ("\x00".."\xff").length == 58
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<LMolr>
platzhirsch, that should yield "\x7b"
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<platzhirsch>
oh right ^^
<platzhirsch>
I packed the individual numbers
<platzhirsch>
digits
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<mmccandless>
I am new to rails and I keep running into an error when downloading the rails gems. "ERROR: faild to build native extension. extconf.rb failed. could not create Makefile..." Is anyone familiar with this. I'm on Windows 8 unfortunately.
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<platzhirsch>
mmccandless: you are probably missing a native libary
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<platzhirsch>
oh nvm
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<canton7>
Ziarkaen, 'def self.newe'?
<canton7>
not entirely sure what you're trying to do with that snippet
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<hanmac>
Ziarkaen: define RegexpApplication as method not as a class
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<Ziarkaen>
Hanmac: Hanmac. OK, I've changed it to a method, but now I cannot access it from other files in my project (the method is local to the file in which it's defined)
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<Mon_Ouie>
Ziarkaen: Class.new { … } doesn't affect the scope of class variables
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<Mon_Ouie>
(You'd need class_variable_set to set it on the right class)
<davidcelis>
class << self; attr_accessor :regexp; end;
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<Mon_Ouie>
That doesn't behave a class variable though
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<shevy>
is there a simple way from foo-1.0.xz and foo-1.1.tar.bz2 to determine the associated file type? in this case, it would be ".xz" in the first example and ".tar.bz2" in the second
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<canton7>
either you split on the first '.' (prone to errors too), or you use a list of extensions
<canton7>
(or a list of valid two-segment extensions)
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<Morrolan>
The 'file type' of the later is a bzip2-compressed file, there is no such thing as a .tar.bz2 file type. ;)
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<Morrolan>
But yea, without a list of valid combinations you won't get far.
<hanmac>
Morrolan: yes and no
<shevy>
.tar is still useless as part of a filename Morrolan
<lupine>
not necessarily
<Morrolan>
tar.xls containing prices of tar?
<Morrolan>
(Silly example, of course)
<shevy>
all my input are source tarballs
<Morrolan>
But point is, what's a 'nearly-extension', and what a 'filename', is up to the specific use case, hence you'll need a list. :)
<canton7>
people do sometimes put '.' in their filenames. irritating, but hey
<lupine>
you can then split extension on . and unwrap
<shevy>
hmmmm
<hanmac>
Morrolan: my file manager tells me: "application/x-bzip-compressed-tar)" but i think it uses some kind of magic
<shevy>
yeah canton7
<canton7>
shevy, if you know everything's a tarball, just have an exception for tarballs
<shevy>
let me think ...
<Morrolan>
Hanmac: It probably just looks whether it ends in .tar.bz2, since it's such a common case.
<shevy>
there is ... tar.xz tar.gz tar.xz ...
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<shevy>
only .zip
<hanmac>
shevy: there is also .txz .tgz .tbz
<Morrolan>
Or maybe bzip2 stores the original file's name in its header, somewhere, and it inspects that.
<shevy>
hmm .gz .xz bz2 oops... meant tar.bz2
<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
but I think that's like 99,999% cases covered
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<lupine>
it probably just uses file
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<shevy>
I think I will simply make an exception for those three then, thanks
<hanmac>
file gives me this: "application/x-tar; charset=binary compressed-encoding=application/x-bzip2; charset=binary; charset=binary"
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<shevy>
hehe
<lupine>
file --mime-type <filename> will give you a mime type, and you can then use handlers on them progressively, if you don't fancy rough extension-based stuff
<shevy>
double entries Hanmac?
<hanmac>
shevy & lupine: file has option for that: "-z, --uncompress try to look inside compressed files"
<canton7>
this can probably be done better, but: ^(.*?)(?:\.tar)?\.[^.]+$
<lupine>
lots of options, aye
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<Morrolan>
Hanmac: Heh, that'd be fun in a file manager. :P
<hanmac>
canton7: yeah but it does not cover the short forms
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<canton7>
Hanmac, hmm?
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<hanmac>
canton7: for sample this: " .txz .tgz .tbz "
<canton7>
Hanmac, I thought he was trying to find the filename, sans extension
<canton7>
if the extension is just one 'segment', then it's dead easy to strip - whether it's a tar short form or not
<shevy>
yeah
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<shevy>
it's things like .tar.xz that was annoying, but come to think of it, I can really think of only .tar.xz .tar.bz2 and .tar.gz that would not match to a simple .split('.')[-1]
<shevy>
so I will just match to three special cases and move on!
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<canton7>
:)
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<shevy>
a few years ago most tarballs were .tar.bz2, these days .tar.xz seems to be the most popular one
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<canton7>
cos lzma2 is good!
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<Morrolan>
Oh? Most which I see are still .tar.gz.
<shevy>
hmm
<Morrolan>
Only time I see .tar.xz is with Arch's packages. :P
<shevy>
Morrolan gimme some time, I will write a script that collects about 2400 tarballs and then does a statistic page :D
<shevy>
ahh I am dumb
<Morrolan>
Okay. :D
<shevy>
that won't work well, some tarballs are released in several formats :(
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<shevy>
is there any advantage for people still using .tar.gz? I always thought better compression ratio is almost always better
<Morrolan>
Universally supported.
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<BadQuanta>
I absolutely love ruby, but I really miss the ability to inline comments.. Sometimes, when calling functions a little /*aside*/ between parameters can clarify so much.
<Morrolan>
Docstring?
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<platzhirsch>
The Yajl JSON parser rocks
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<platzhirsch>
shevy: oh, I gunzip all my files, too. What else should one use, bzip2?
<shevy>
platzhirsch nah, I found bzip2 to incur a rather heavy toll when extracting, but .tar.xz I find really ok so far
<BadQuanta>
Morrolan, Was that in reply to my inline comment comment?
<BraddPitt>
hi #ruby
<BadQuanta>
"Hi Bradd"
<shevy>
"Hi Pitt"
<platzhirsch>
so BraddPitt programs Ruby, too? Nice
<shevy>
you can't be an actor forever
<shevy>
sometimes you need to do something for your brain
<popl>
the shunning from World War Z came quickly
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<BadQuanta>
popl, lol
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<Morrolan>
badquanta: Oh, sorry, yea. Though I misread your question. You want to comment parameters when calling a function, I meant you wanted to comment them when defining one.
<BraddPitt>
yes platzhirsch in between filming
<BadQuanta>
Morrolan, exactly. ;)
<platzhirsch>
:o
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<Morrolan>
badquanta: A cheap way is to split the method call across multiple lines, then you can add comments at the end of the line. ;D
<BadQuanta>
Morrolan, if named-parameters were a ruby-default, I don't think I'd miss the functionality.
<BadQuanta>
Morrolan, Very very true. But 90% of the time, what I want to say is something simple.. like: /*a*/, /*the*/, /*this*/
<Morrolan>
Yea.
<Morrolan>
Miss those, too.
<BadQuanta>
:) I actually feel better. Thanks for commiserating. I guess that was the whole reason I mentioned it. ;)
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<shevy>
hehe
<platzhirsch>
I have to define a block, proc or method that is called if the parsing is complete, but all I want is to use the value passed to the block? So do I just define a variable outside and then: = lambda { |ob| outside = obj } that looks silly
<Morrolan>
In my earlier programs I've introduced a few subtle bugs by trying to use named parameters.
<Morrolan>
(Coming from Python)
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<platzhirsch>
I think I could use a Proc instead where the return is evaluated in the scope of the method
<BadQuanta>
Morrolan, I'm sure there is a reason for its lack of use/standard that I don't understand well.
<Morrolan>
I asked ape.iros once. He said that there was one, but that he prefers to forget it. :P
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<Morrolan>
i.e. some silly reason which none really understand.
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<lupine>
you can always pass a hash if you want a named-parameters-alike
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<lupine>
the number of times I end up having to convert constructors to hashes, I'm contemplating making it my default behaviour
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<platzhirsch>
can yields be nested?
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<platzhirsch>
apparently, awesome
<apeiros>
depends on how you mean that
<platzhirsch>
so, for instance I define inside a method a Proc.new { |obj| yield obj }
<lupine>
def a ; yield ; end ;def b ; yield ; end ; a { b { puts "yay" } }
<platzhirsch>
and the method gets invoked with a block then it yields through
<hanmac>
"yield yield yield yield" is also valid ruby
<apeiros>
unless you .call that block, it won't yield
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<shevy>
guys, do you sometimes want to use stuff not only like: def foo; @foo but also def foo?; @foo
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<jumpingcloud>
Hey people of the Ruby channel!
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<jumpingcloud>
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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* hanmac
smells a rails user
<popl>
fee fi fo fum
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<apeiros>
jumpingcloud: up up down down left right left right
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<jumpingcloud>
I'm looking to get the indexes of regex matcher over a nested array.
<jumpingcloud>
=D lol
<hanmac>
popl yeah like that ... or did you play the first game of the "soul reaver" games?
<platzhirsch>
apeiros: yes, the only thing I wasn't sure, if it has to be called inside the method or at any other place, and the latter case works, too
<apeiros>
jumpingcloud: do you intend elaborate your question or was that it?
<shevy>
jumpingcloud there is some context missing :P
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<jumpingcloud>
apeiros: I have a nested array, that contains Question id's and the Questions with the Answers like [[Q1][What is ruby?]],[[Q2][How's the weather]],etc
<jumpingcloud>
i want the indexes of the Qid's that match a regex
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<jumpingcloud>
i found this @pool.each_index.select{|i| @pool[i] =~ /myregex/}
<hanmac>
jumpingcloud: what about @pool.grep(regex) ?
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<jumpingcloud>
but it'll only match things in the first layer of the array, so it returns nothing.
<jumpingcloud>
Hanmac: Thanks for the lead, I'll check it out.
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<canton7>
it does pretty much what the sample you posted does...
<apeiros>
jumpingcloud: since your array is nested, @pool[i] will return an array
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<apeiros>
you need @pool[i][1] =~ /…/
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<jumpingcloud>
apeiros: oh! yeah! duh, Thanks, I've been killing myself on this one forever.
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<jumpingcloud>
apeiros: Thanks a lot man!
<apeiros>
yw
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<shevy>
I think I may have to start learning rails :(
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<shogo2040>
does anyone know of a ruby stack installer which includes ruby/nginx/passenger/mongodb all setup similiar to how php developers have stuff like wamp/mamp/xampp ?
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* hanmac
sprays holy water into shevy's face
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<shevy>
Hanmac who knows...
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<shevy>
Hanmac perhaps I may even have to ... START USING BUNDLER!!!
<shogo2040>
ok.. googling... ah.. I'm here... reading at http://bundler.io/
<shogo2040>
thanks!
<Morrolan>
Bundler isn't a full stack installer, it's a tool to manage Ruby libraries.
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<shogo2040>
ah.. i see..
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<shogo2040>
ok... I don't mind looking into this approach..
<Morrolan>
I'm not aware of any full-stack installer. Myself I just use Vagrant + an automation framework.
<Morrolan>
Well, if you produce something which does all the heavy lifting for you, then there might be quite some people interested. :)
<shogo2040>
i tried the whole rvm/gem thing.. and i utterly failed
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<Morrolan>
Hmm?
<shogo2040>
i followed a bunch of tutorials too
<shogo2040>
i got my stack almost working.. with Passenger barfing up errors
<Morrolan>
Might be something which passenger's IRC channel can help with.
<shogo2040>
yea.. but since I already spent like 16 hours pretending to be a wanna be tech ops... I figure its best to give up and research other approaches
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<Morrolan>
Heh. :)
<shogo2040>
my expertise in setting up stacks is limited
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<shogo2040>
i like this bundler thing!
<shogo2040>
maybe there is hope for me
<shogo2040>
i will try out the bundler approach
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<shogo2040>
thanks so much for the info!
<shogo2040>
i was thinking.. if I can get this setup.. I should make like a unix virtual image and just share it
<shogo2040>
share it with other noobs
<shogo2040>
i mean linux virtual image
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<Morrolan>
Bundler will not help you set up your stack, and shevy wasn't talking to you when he started shouting about bundler. ;)
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<shogo2040>
Morrolan: well.. it doesn't hurt to try.. maybe it helps in contrast to rvm/gem -ing alone
<havenwood>
shogo2040: So you're currently using Passenger Nginx module? By the way, there are many Rack web servers other than Passenger like Unicorn, Puma, Thin, Reel-Rack, etc. But yeah, ask Passenger guys for help if you want to go that way.
<shogo2040>
i'll give myself 4 hours
<Morrolan>
Okay then. :)
<shogo2040>
havenwood.. hm.. thanks for the info!
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<apeiros>
shogo2040: I think the newest fad is vagrant. if I understood it correctly, you can get completely configured VMs
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<apeiros>
I think that's about as easy as it can get
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<Morrolan>
apeiros: 'fad'? :o
<shogo2040>
apeiros: hmm.. ok.. I will google that
<platzhirsch>
oh, vagrant is really hip
<Morrolan>
And nice. :)
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<platzhirsch>
well that's more like an insult, isn't it?
<apeiros>
Morrolan: what's the question?
<Morrolan>
apeiros: 'fad' sounds a tad snotty. ;D
<apeiros>
platzhirsch: hip? depends. in groups of non-hip people, it probably is
<shogo2040>
this channel is very helpful.. you guys rock
<havenwood>
shogo2040: A Unicorn behind Nginx setup is quite nice.
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<apeiros>
Morrolan: oh, good. then I used it correctly :D
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<havenwood>
shogo2040: A quick google search turned up this Unicorn/Nginx guide that seems reasonable: https://coderwall.com/p/gmlv_w
<Morrolan>
Hah.
<shogo2040>
i saw this one cartoon.. The Regular Show.. and unicorns are not to be trusted. hahaha.. but thats just a silly cartoon hehe
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<apeiros>
I think it's a good idea in many regards. However, I fear that it too will lead to a lot of people having no f'ing clue about what they're doing.
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<shevy>
wow
<apeiros>
havenwood: daemonizing unicorns, to be watched by god… only in ruby :)
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<shevy>
"gem install rails" ... 27 gems installed
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<shogo2040>
i plan on playing with sinatra.. last year I was able to setup my own environment.. I think i got lucky..then unlucky to lose it hahaha..
<havenwood>
apeiros: i was working on a project codenamed 'angel' that made the issue even funnier. actually had an angel.god file.
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<apeiros>
did involve archangels? seraphims? metatrons?
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<apeiros>
I found the wave 'god' made in ruby-talk hilarious
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<havenwood>
did it? i didn't catch that. what was the general concensus? :O
<havenwood>
Ophanim
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<atmosx>
helo
<apeiros>
ehlo
<hanmac>
for all ruby users in germany ... less then 24h until the fdp dies ;P
<havenwood>
many-eyed ones
<apeiros>
havenwood: oh, poor religious fanatics being very upset.
<havenwood>
hahaha
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<apeiros>
havenwood: I stopped reading when it reached some 150 messages
<shevy>
Hanmac lol
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<hanmac>
apeiros: no its the "archangel" handy network ;P
* atmosx
arctic monkeys - do I wanna know
<atmosx>
Hanmac: FDP, the party?
<hanmac>
atmosx: yeah exaclty
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<atmosx>
Hanmac: why you think so?
<hanmac>
currently the party is in the part of the ruling goverment ... but in less then 24h it will be totally kicked out of the government because in germany there is an 5% mark that parties need to get into the goverment
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<atmosx>
Hanmac: and you think wont pass the threshold
<hanmac>
in the current test votings they are under 5%
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<atmosx>
but doesn't CDU/CSU need a coalition party?
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<hanmac>
atmosx yeah, that means CDU/CSU will get the most but less than 50% so they will be forge a coalition with SPD again (the other big one) ... its also not so optimal ...
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<hanmac>
like in the usa ... you can change the ruling party, but not the corrupt system
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<shevy>
atmosx the winning party won't have much difficulties finding a slave party to help them :P
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<shevy>
we have votes in a week but I can't find my passport hmmm
<popl>
oh hey let's segue into a political discussion
<popl>
:P
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<shevy>
ok let's see popl
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<shevy>
does anyone have a ruby question
<shevy>
now!
<shevy>
3
<shevy>
2
<shevy>
1
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<shevy>
OVER!
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<shevy>
ruby is so good, people don't have questions
<Morrolan>
How are strings and encodings tied together?
<Morrolan>
If I have `a = "abc"` is that a sequence of codepoints, or bytes?
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<apeiros>
bytes + encoding-meta-datum
<popl>
shevy: the annoyance is not with hte non-ruby conversation in general but rather the political nature of the discussion.
<Xeago>
Morrolan: depending on your ruby version, your environment, and other stuff
<Xeago>
"yes" :)
<CalvinnHobbes>
I've got a OOP / rspec question: How do you test a method that pulls together multiple objects and their outputs. E.g. when it feels like stubbing would take forever?
<shevy>
popl nah, there are other sensitive topics here on #ruby, I can assure you of that
<petey>
calvinhobbes - just type that into terminal?
<Xeago>
should give you your prefereed shells
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<atmosx>
Xeago: oh really
<CalvinnHobbes>
yes
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<petey>
cool thanks
<petey>
i think i did it! yay
<CalvinnHobbes>
then close and re-open
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<Xeago>
CalvinnHobbes: those are incorrect when using brew's rbenv..
<Xeago>
which he is using
<CalvinnHobbes>
Xeago: my bad, I use RVM, I was just trying to help
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<Xeago>
what he should do, is figure out his shell
<Xeago>
if he is using zsh, fish or anything else that doesn't read .nbash_profile, that won't work
<petey>
xeago - any resources?
<petey>
im in the process of a clean dev environment from scratch
<Xeago>
additionally, I don't think osx bash reads .bash_profile
<petey>
im installing zsh next
<Xeago>
petey: resource for what?
<Xeago>
petey: then put it in your .zshrc
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<Xeago>
better yet, .zshenv
<CalvinnHobbes>
Xeago: do you have any strong feelings on RVM v. rbenv?
<petey>
alright
<Xeago>
CalvinnHobbes: yes, but those are out of the question
<CalvinnHobbes>
I meant for me, after he is done
<Xeago>
petey: you do know which shell you want to use, should've told that in the first place
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<Xeago>
I don't like rvm
<Xeago>
I don't like rbenv, tho I like it more than rvm
<Xeago>
chruby seems better, no experience tho
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<CalvinnHobbes>
why is rbenv > rvm?
<Xeago>
it doesn't hook your builtins
<Xeago>
it doesn't run on systems without /bin/sh being /bin/bash
<Xeago>
I have systems that have /bin/sh as /bin/ash
<Xeago>
go figure >.<
* lupine
hates on ash
<Xeago>
additionally, it is quite memory hungry
<Xeago>
I don't like ash
<CalvinnHobbes>
is it worth it for me to switch from rvm to rbenv?
<lupine>
I had to write a web services client in ash-script at one point
<Xeago>
CalvinnHobbes: is there a reason to live?
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<lupine>
properly evil
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<Xeago>
sorry for to philosophical approach, but I don't think there is
<Xeago>
it is what I have on that SoC, lupine, couldn't really choose :)
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<lupine>
mm
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<Xeago>
I run zsh on a SoC with under 12MB RAM :)
<CalvinnHobbes>
well guys at my work use rbenv, but I haven't run up against problems with rvm even when working with their stuff
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<lupine>
if it's busybox-related, demand source including image builders
<Xeago>
lupine: it isn't my SoC :'(
<Xeago>
the busybox stuff is baked in
<lupine>
doesn't matter, GPL
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<Xeago>
the SoC vendor has the source published
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<Xeago>
it just is baked in on rom
<lupine>
ah, I see
<lupine>
awkward
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<MJBrune>
r0bglees0n: ping
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<r0bglees0n>
MJBrune: yo
<MJBrune>
r0bglees0n: you were saying I could use ajax with sinatra to create a button that sent the an http command to sinatra to dynamically load in content?
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<r0bglees0n>
sure
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<MJBrune>
I've never used ajax and I am mostly a C++ game developer so I am a bit out of water here. From my understanding ajax is just javascript and xml is this correct?
<apeiros>
originally maybe
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<apeiros>
but nowadays I think xml is rarely ever involved. most often it's json which is transmitted
<MJBrune>
ahh I see I was going to say something like json seems better to use.
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<shevy>
MJBrune wheee you are a C++ guy using ruby \o/
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<popl>
A proper C++ guy? What does that mean?
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<r0bglees0n>
no one said a 'proper C++ guy'
<MJBrune>
I use C++11
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<MJBrune>
shevy: ruby is really odd, I honestly prefer lua for any game-centered scripting languages but this is for some non-game related stuff.
<lupine>
lua's well-established in that space
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<MJBrune>
it is, but it can be a pain to try to transfer over C++ classes to a language built in C
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<MJBrune>
lua was not built with classes in mind at all.
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<popl>
r0bglees0n: I did. o_O
<hanmac>
MjBrune so you are building Ruby extensions?
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<MJBrune>
Hanmac: no, I am just trying to build a web based deploy system for a proprietary application meant to transfer and remotely process media files...
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<hanmac>
MJBrune: you should make C++ extensions for Ruby ... its so much fun ;D
<shevy>
:>
<shevy>
Hanmac wrote wxwidget bindings for ruby
<shevy>
but he forgot the documentation
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<MJBrune>
Hanmac: perhaps I will another time. :)
<hanmac>
and ogre ,and cegui and sfml ...
<MJBrune>
sfml
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<MJBrune>
I love to see that people know what SFML is finally.
<hanmac>
MJBrune: there was an rbSFML ... but i dint liked it so i make my own
<hanmac>
MJBrune: i used gosu before but it was not cool enough
<MJBrune>
Luarent will love to see it.
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<MJBrune>
I am hoping that we will get android/ios support by the end of the year. I am not sure if it's likely.
<hanmac>
yeah i think i showed it, (i also make a forum thead) but i didt get a response yet ... and i am not finish yet with it
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<MJBrune>
if you get the Thor and SFGUI systems to work in ruby then you should be able to sell a lot of people on it.
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<hanmac>
hm yes and no ... i thy to integrate Thor directly into my sfml gem, but its not so easy possible (because i need 2step constructors and some thor classes has only 1step constructors)
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<hanmac>
currently SFGUI is dropped, but i will update my cegui gem, wich would work with sfml
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<s2013->
if i have an array how do i start an each loop byskipping the first one?
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<popl>
s2013-: what do you mean?
<s2013->
lets say a = ["apples", "oranges", "mangoes"]
<s2013->
so if i want to print out oranges and mangoes how would i do that?
<apeiros>
a[1..-1].each
<popl>
^
<s2013->
ok thanks
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<s2013->
-1 is the last element right?
<s2013->
so its basically saying from second until last element
<apeiros>
correct
<s2013->
gotcha. thanks
<MrZYX>
what are you doing inside the loop? something like print ", #{item}" ?
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<s2013->
MrZYX yeah pretty much. a[1..-1] worked
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<MrZYX>
Do you know the join method?
<apeiros>
Array#join might then be what you want
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<s2013->
yeah i do. why would it work?
<s2013->
oh
<s2013->
nah not comma separated
<MrZYX>
but?
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<s2013->
its inside a rails app. there are bunch of html markups in between..
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<s2013->
but [1..-1] worked perfect
<s2013->
i was trying to skip the first element basically
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<sophomorical>
it saves you the trouble of looping, I think is what they're getting at :p
<apeiros>
it also saves him from special casing
<apeiros>
s2013-: join accepts arbitrary strings to join your elements
<zastern>
I've got a really dumb ruby question. I've never written anything but short scripts in a single file. If I want to put some code in one file, and use it in another file, should I make it a Module and require 'modulename'?
<apeiros>
require is file based, that is, require 'filename'
<s2013->
thats what i have
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<apeiros>
but usually you'll map module/class names to filenames
<apeiros>
other than that, yes zaltekk
<apeiros>
gah
<apeiros>
yes zastern
<zastern>
Thanks!
<s2013->
so id use join on it still?
<apeiros>
s2013-: see my example. also iirc your html is invalid (no br tags within ul's)
<s2013->
yeah ill clean up the html. it was just to check if the array was working
<s2013->
there isnt any ul
<zastern>
apeiros: your nick is very familiar to me . . . where do you work? feel free not to answer
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<s2013->
actually brb
<apeiros>
zastern: switzerland
<zastern>
apeiros: i didn't mean which location
<zastern>
Were you at PuppetConf maybe?
<apeiros>
s2013-: d'oh, misread the <i> as <li>
<apeiros>
who uses <i> tags anymore? o0
<apeiros>
zastern: nope
<zastern>
hmm ok
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<MrZYX>
apeiros: some say it's the new tag for (font) icons ;D
<apeiros>
ah, true
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<MrZYX>
s2013-: so you're just throwing away the first entry?
<apeiros>
so technically it's being abused because of its shortness - and otherwise uselessness
<MrZYX>
yes
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<MrZYX>
I think I still prefer spans for that usecase
<sophomorical>
^
<zastern>
Am I an idiot for just leaving config as a ruby hash . . . rather than using a yaml file or something?
<zastern>
It seems pointless to convert to json
<zastern>
you dont need to know ruby to edit the hash
<zastern>
or to convert to yaml
<hanmac>
apeiros: <i> tags are so pre 2000 ;D
<Morrolan>
People who have to automate deployment of your application will hate you for using Ruby instead of JSON or YAML.
<Morrolan>
All modern languages have parsers for JSON and YAML, very few have a parser for Ruby.
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<shevy>
zastern what I am trying to do in my project is to write a class called Configuration, which by default will generate yaml file for every key-value pair it has
<shevy>
when a value is changed, it stores the change into a yaml file
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<zastern>
I guess I don't get why I even need to go that far
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<shevy>
how many projects do you have with a ruby hash as config?
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<zastern>
just the one :D
<zastern>
this is actually my first real project
<zastern>
im not challenging you
<zastern>
its not not clear to me
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<shevy>
no
<shevy>
it was a simple question
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<shevy>
I started making use of my Configuration class after about ~20 gems
<shevy>
well, the smaller ones did not need configuration, but the larger ones required configuration
<shevy>
there may be drawbacks when you choose any one way over the other. for instance, with YAML files you are forced to use UTF-8 or UTF-16
<shevy>
and follow it's enforced indent
<MrZYX>
both good things :P
<shevy>
with ruby syntax, users may need to understand a bit of ruby
<zastern>
So, I'm noticing that the path of my requires is relative to where I run ruby from, not where the ruby file is from
<zastern>
is located*
<zastern>
is there any way around that?
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<zastern>
e.g. if i have ./bin and ./config
<zastern>
and a root dir
<zastern>
when i do ruby bin/somefile
<workmad3>
zastern: yeah... don't use '.' in your paths, instead get things on your load path
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<zastern>
ah. I guess i need to figure out how to do that
<workmad3>
zastern: '.' is always '(the processes) current directory'
<zastern>
ahh
<workmad3>
zastern: and it was removed from the default load-path of ruby in 1.9.2 because it's kinda unstable ;)
<zastern>
so what exactly do I want ot add to my load path? the root dir of the project?
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<workmad3>
if you're using that as the source-code root, sure
<workmad3>
most of the time, you want to put your code in a lib/ directory though, and add that to your load path (which is what rubygems does for you)
<volty>
zastern: symlink if you run it from your working dir, otherwise set wd
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<shevy>
zastern I always install my projects like a gem
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<zastern>
shevy: even when you just start?
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<zastern>
I don't really know how to make gems yet
<volty>
if you want to load that files: 1) be in that directory or 2) insert the dir with your source files in the RUBYLIB ENV 3) change wd from inside
<shevy>
zastern for quick hacks, I symlinked from SITE_DIR into my ruby dir where I keep my ruby files, so I then can do like: require 'x/sys/sys_checker.rb', where x is the name of the symlink I use
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<workmad3>
volty: no, no and no
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<shevy>
zastern you can always try to modify the $LOAD_PATH too
<zastern>
if I symlink to a subdir of something in my load path will that work? or do i need to add that
<workmad3>
volty: 1) too constraining, 2) $LOAD_PATH is available for this purpose inside ruby, rather than requiring the user to set an external environment variable, 3) bad manners
<apeiros>
use -I, use gem, at worst, use $LOAD_PATH hack in your /bin/* files
<apeiros>
wrong order. use gem, use -I, use $LOAD_PATH in your bin/* files
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<workmad3>
apeiros: :) yeah, let something else handle the load path, rather than hack it manually
<apeiros>
latter two should only ever be needed while developing/working on a gem
<platzhirsch>
what, political discussion? How did I miss that
<volty>
ah, deployment ...
<apeiros>
yeah. your libraries knowing *where* stuff is is bad coupling.
<shevy>
Hanmac I want to murder the guy who created that
<platzhirsch>
oh that was 2h ago
<hanmac>
shevy do you mean the orginal or the parody? ;D
<volty>
i'm quite fine - for a long time - bad or good
<workmad3>
platzhirsch: I was wondering what you were counting as 'political' :)
<volty>
those are purist questions
<volty>
never mind
<shevy>
Hanmac both, but at least I liked friends bloopers (I never saw a single season or part)
<platzhirsch>
workmad3: ah the talk was about the German election tomorrow
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<zastern>
So If I have / and /config and /bin
<zastern>
and I add / to my load path
<zastern>
is that enough to require /config/foo.rb
<zastern>
or do i need to add /config specifically
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<volty>
Deutschland über alles - Griechenland unter allen
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<zastern>
(i'm not really putting things in /, it's just an example)
<platzhirsch>
troll
<platzhirsch>
:P
<apeiros>
volty: sure. you can get far with bad code too and just deride writing good code as "purist thing".
<MrZYX>
zastern: it's enough to make require 'config/foo' work
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<zastern>
MrZYX: thanks!
<workmad3>
zastern: you'd require 'config/foo', not '/config/foo'
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<zastern>
got it. thanks guys.
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<zastern>
For the time being I may just $LOAD_PATH.unshift('/Users/myuser/Dropbox/Projects/Personal/zendeath') and figure it out "For real" later.
<workmad3>
zastern: is this for a bin/ script?
<volty>
apeiros: i'm not deriding. I'm just saying that i'm fine with that, as long as i work locally - I call it abstraction. I need abstraction // could be good or bad - in the end
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<zastern>
workmad3: this is for a command line script im writing, that will at some point just be run as a regular command
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<zastern>
but this is my first real project so i care more about getting the funcitonality parts right
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<zastern>
than the load paths, which i can learn how to do "Right" after i get the functionaltiy
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<zastern>
But with better spelling :)
<shevy>
volty what encoding do you use? I did not see the part before "ber"
<workmad3>
zastern: for a command line script, I'd suggest doing '$LOAD_PATH.unshift(__FILE__ + "../..")' as a quicker hack ;)
<zastern>
workmad3: AH!
<zastern>
that's a good idea.
<zastern>
thanks.
<workmad3>
zastern: it'll also then be a bit more stable to changes in location :)
<moosya>
hi. gem download question: it seems that external http requests are blocked (error Net::HTTPServerException) 403 "Forbidden" by the company. I'm trying to perform a "gem install net-ldap"… Are there any other ways to get the gem? perhaps via https?
<workmad3>
zastern: as shevy says, it would be nicer if you put your code in a lib/ file, and only add that to your $LOAD_PATH, which is a good step towards being compatible with rubygems ;)
<zastern>
I take the same view on that as I take on "learning vim and programming at the same time" - so much time spent learning vim you give up.
<shevy>
but it does basically what gem does, except that you dont have to write any .gemspec at all
<zastern>
Saying that as somebody who does knwo vi.
<zastern>
vim*
<shevy>
ah... gem does dependency management... but you wont need that for your own projects
<zastern>
I know what it does.
<zastern>
I will make it a gem eventually
<shevy>
That is the way!
<platzhirsch>
!
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<shevy>
atmosx, when you have finished your gene finder for prokaryotes, can you also write one for plants specifically? one that scans through GMO databases please? :P
<workmad3>
zastern: yeah, not suggesting you gemify things fully... but in the same way that you might want to use src/main/java in a lot of java projects, even if you're not using maven straight away, you may want to use lib/ as your project-source root even when not writing gems straight away :)
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<daniellefebvre>
hmmm this client sucks
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<daniellefebvre>
can anyone see my posts?
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<platzhirsch>
daniellefebvre: absoluetely
<workmad3>
zastern: if you're loading configs from yaml, you may also want to do something like 'CONFIG_PATH = File.expand_path("../../config", __FILE__)' so you can stabilise that too
<daniellefebvre>
great thanks!
<platzhirsch>
you cannot?
<workmad3>
zastern: again, set in your bin script :)
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<daniellefebvre>
I'm having an install issue on Mac 0$X ... when I unstall rails, is requiring sudo which in tern is either installing rails for the wrong version of ruby, or installing it with the wrong permissions... can anyone help me either set gem to function from my primary account or set the permssion on the installed rails so I can use it?
<workmad3>
how did you install ruby?
<daniellefebvre>
rvm I think I did it months ago
<zastern>
ok so here's something weird
<volty>
brrrrrr, osx, I got crazy and gave up
<daniellefebvre>
but rvm use ruby-2.0.0 worked a few hours ago
<zastern>
Why would this work with 'pry' but not with 'ruby'.
<workmad3>
daniellefebvre: from now on, you shouldn't need to touch 'sudo' in relation to ruby
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<platzhirsch>
Throw me a good field name for the dates of metadata snapshots I have for a repository
<atmosx>
workmad3: isn't better to implode and re-install rvm?
<workmad3>
platzhirsch: metadata_snapshot_date ?
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<platzhirsch>
workmad3: ^^ longish
<daniellefebvre>
yeah I caught that from command... I had thought of running that but not at that level and didn't want to break the whole install
<atmosx>
workmad3: messing with perms there fucks up everything, it's allready too complicated code to follow (rvm)
<daniellefebvre>
thank you again
<volty>
i agree with atmosx - i prefer clean things, especially under osx
<workmad3>
atmosx: the entire directory should be owned by the user
<atmosx>
workmad3: sure, but why wasn't in the first place?
<zastern>
hmm, workmad3, it only works with ruby still.
<zastern>
I regret asking to be spoonfed, but also don't really get what's happening
<workmad3>
zastern: hmm... what do you mean by 'running in pry' then?
<zastern>
I mean pry foo/bar.rb
<zastern>
vs ruby foo/bar.rb
<platzhirsch>
or maybe I should change the whole DB structure. Repository -> Date -> Metadata
<workmad3>
atmosx: true... I probably would implode it and restart :)
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<workmad3>
banisterfiend: any thoughts on zastern's noticed behaviour?
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<platzhirsch>
summon the banister
<atmosx>
the new Arctic Monkeys CD is awesome
<banisterfiend>
workmad3 2sleepy
<platzhirsch>
atmosx: is it?
<atmosx>
I love the Sheffield accent
<workmad3>
banisterfiend: bah, pry is your baby :P
<zastern>
irb also succeedes
<atmosx>
platzhirsch: yes, it's kinda different from all prior albums they did.
<zastern>
only pry fails
<zastern>
:/
<workmad3>
zastern: do a 'puts __FILE__' before the load path manipulation, see how it changes
<platzhirsch>
atmosx: AM, wow.. I stopped keeping track of them. But the poster of Whatever People Say I am, That's What I Am Not is still hanging in my apartment :)
<daniellefebvre>
now I get bundle successfully install then Bundler:GemfileNotFound
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<workmad3>
daniellefebvre: ok, as atmosx suggested, rvm implode and restart it all
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<workmad3>
daniellefebvre: your rvm install got royally borked, best to throw away and start again
<zastern>
for pry the puts appears to give me "(pry)"
<zastern>
for ruby it gives me what i expect
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<banisterfiend>
zastern do this instead
<workmad3>
banisterfiend: hmm... by any chance, if you do 'pry filename.rb', does pry read in the code and eval each line? :)
<banisterfiend>
zastern pry -r./path/to/your/file
<banisterfiend>
workmad3 yes
<banisterfiend>
workmad3 it's actually an undocumented feature
<banisterfiend>
i never use it
<zastern>
that works.
<workmad3>
hehe
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<zastern>
interesting.
<daniellefebvre>
ok I imploded rvm
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<zastern>
daniellefebvre: you just saved yourself a lot of headache :)
<jrobeson>
rvm :(
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<zastern>
I clearly know nothing about developing ruby, but I load a lot of ruby stuff for utility purposes, and always found rvm to be a huge headache relative to rbenv
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<workmad3>
zastern: rbenv :(
<jrobeson>
i just can't accept anything that touches my cd
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<daniellefebvre>
thanks :) I hope so :)
<platzhirsch>
How comes that RVM is a headache? I thought you just install it and then you use it
<jrobeson>
lots of poeple like chruby
<workmad3>
jrobeson: you can turn that off, you know
<zastern>
platzhirsch: the install process isn't simple. and it just broke on me all the time
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<zastern>
rbenv is pretty trivial to get runnin
<zastern>
g
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<volty>
that's what i meant when I said i prefer system-wide setup of resource directories ....
<platzhirsch>
zastern: that's true. I am always startled when it runs through, bit I never had a fail
<workmad3>
jrobeson: or you could use zsh, which provides a hook that chruby and rvm utilise to avoid having to mess around with 'cd' :)
<volty>
i suggest rbenv, i installed it 3 days ago and it is simple enough to understand and fix if something goes wrong
<zastern>
zsh + oh-my-zsh = win.
<jrobeson>
ah no thanks.. i work on too many disparate systems to have to learn another system
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<jrobeson>
and i've never seen zsh on a non developers system
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<zastern>
jrobeson: zsh is basically compatible with bash - there's no compelling reason not to use it locally.
<workmad3>
jrobeson: I've not seen rvm on a non-devs system... :P
<zastern>
I'm a sysadmin and all my remote systems are bash and my local machine is zsh.
<zastern>
and it's quite useful in that capacity
<jrobeson>
hmm.. i didn't think the scripting was compatible completely?
<zastern>
jrobeson: it's compatible enough.
<zastern>
plus
<workmad3>
zastern: I install zsh on my servers :)
<zastern>
you can just bash ./yourscript.sh
<workmad3>
jrobeson: I write my scripts with #!/bin/bash still
<zastern>
its not hard to write bash scripts from zsh at all
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<jrobeson>
that's a decent way of doing it if you have to
<zastern>
workmad3: I don't have the option - the servers aren't mine.
<zastern>
I'm effectively a consultant . . . not really . . . but it's a close enough description
<jrobeson>
i bet workmad3 can fix their own servers :)
<workmad3>
jrobeson: I use zsh + oh-my-zsh mainly for the much nicer (and easier) prompt manipulation :)
<volty>
btw: to avoid potential mess one should remove symbolic links of old ruby symlinks (e.g. /usr/bin/ruby etc)
<workmad3>
jrobeson: not to mention the tab-complete :)
<volty>
IMHO
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<jrobeson>
ah.. my promt is fine as long as it has a git
<jrobeson>
workmad3, what's your local promt like?
<zastern>
my favorite thing about ohmyzsh is auto-complete hostnames from ssh known hosts
<jrobeson>
zastern, so what you're saying is that most scripts you use say they work with /bin/sh but actually use bashims? :)
<zastern>
SO GOD DAMN USEFUL OH MY GOD
<jrobeson>
bashisms*
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<zastern>
jrobeson: lol. I script against bash not sh.
<jrobeson>
zastern, oh.. i have that after installing bash-completions on my system
<zastern>
jrobeson: I'm not saying you can't do things with bash...
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<zastern>
I'm just saying I like zsh.
<zastern>
and it's close enough that im not context switching when I ssh to a bash system at all
<jrobeson>
so you take up two lines workmad3 ?
<workmad3>
zastern: it'll also autocomplete from .ssh/config
<workmad3>
jrobeson: yeah, but that's because I don't like shifting my input too far to the right, while I still like having all the info there
<jrobeson>
i can't imagine taking up two lines. not enough height in my display for me to be able to handle that
<jrobeson>
i just keep only the top level directories
<jrobeson>
or the shortname like a/b/c/d/my_dir
<workmad3>
jrobeson: it's a theme I hacked together with help from a friend... plenty of zsh themes that don't do that :)
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<jrobeson>
what's the bit off to the right about
<workmad3>
time and battery status
<jrobeson>
well i got the itme.. but external didn't say battery to me :)
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<workmad3>
it has a little battery image next to it ;)
<jrobeson>
and the owl?
<workmad3>
that's a cat (but the symbola unicode font isn't very clear on it)
<jrobeson>
kinda.. it's a little too small for me to see
<jrobeson>
looks like an owl from here
<jrobeson>
oh.. the teeth
<workmad3>
but it goes red when the previous exit code was non-zero
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<jrobeson>
now i see it.. it looked like a belly of an owl.. not a teeth of a cat
<workmad3>
yeah, I'm using 12pt inconsolata
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<workmad3>
which ends up pretty small, but readable for me :)
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<jrobeson>
i'm using inconsolata-dv right now
<jrobeson>
from some time ago
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<workmad3>
I used to have a 6-line bash prompt btw
<jrobeson>
wtf?
<jrobeson>
what was on that???
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<workmad3>
pretty much all the same stuff, but I hadn't found the unicode symbols for it all (and bash screwed up *really* badly with utf-8 for me too) so it was all on separate lines
<jrobeson>
the resolution on macbook pros are decent.. BUT NOT THAT DECENT
<jrobeson>
i'd rather go without the features
<jrobeson>
than take up 6 lines
<workmad3>
I started it when I was switching between a lot of servers... I really needed that info in order to know where the hell I was
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<apeiros>
workmad3: we use a single colored "dot" at the start of the prompt
<atmosx>
workmad3: isn't the servername enough?
<atmosx>
I use differnet prompt at every server
<apeiros>
though, we only distinguish the env through that (dev/acceptance/staging/prod/other)
<atmosx>
zsh everywhere though
<atmosx>
ah not everywhere, in my freebsd ebox it's bash because zsh is 'too heavy' for that machine
<workmad3>
I was happy enough with my prompt
<apeiros>
the "dot" is a space with background color set
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<atmosx>
workmad3: and then what happened? (you're talking in past tense)
<workmad3>
but then I was setting up another dev laptop, decided to try zsh, play around with unicode symbols again...
<workmad3>
so I ended up reducing down to the 2 lines
<atmosx>
growl doesn't work... I'll write a client-server app and use native osx notifications, blah.
<atmosx>
workmad3: show us a screenshot
<workmad3>
atmosx: of the old one? I don't have one
<atmosx>
new one
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<workmad3>
atmosx: http://grab.by/loMs here's a second one (with git prompt in it this time)
<atmosx>
hahaha what's with the devil sign
<workmad3>
unhappy cat
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<workmad3>
last command failed :)
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<atmosx>
did you do this prompt by youself or you find it online?
<workmad3>
myself
<workmad3>
although as I said, hacked from a friends theme somewhat :)
<sophomorical>
that is really cool
<atmosx>
awesome, congrats. Although a bit cumbersome imho
<workmad3>
yeah, I appreciate that :)
<workmad3>
I do tend to prefer prompts with more info in them to clean, minimal ones though
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<atmosx>
I don't pay attention, to the prompt most of the times.
<workmad3>
the symbols look a lot nicer using monaco font on Mountain Lion btw (which has nice, full-colour emoji)
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<workmad3>
but I'm on snow leopard on this laptop still
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<izzy278>
Hey guys
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<izzy278>
You know what? There is too much abstraction in programming these days, like in RAILS.
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<izzy278>
Intepreters suck.
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<apeiros>
izzy278: had a bad day?
<izzy278>
Nah just too much abstraction, it makes people do stupid things.
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<izzy278>
interpretors are just big hunks of slow abstracted-away code.