<viki>
havenwood: i'll learn a bit more about modules soon, looks like it's a few lessons away in rubymonk.
<viki>
havenwood: ok yeah, i haven't even gotten to class in rubymonk either. that's even farther away. no wonder i'm getting confused.
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<Lewix>
or a Struct might be even better
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<havenwood>
viki: And since they are simpler, I'd say maybe learn modules first? Once you get a grasp of modules then learning classes is mostly just figuring out #new, #initialize, and the attr_'s (which are just sugar to help you make quick getter and setter methods for instance variables).
<havenwood>
viki: Yeah, Classes are reaaaally confusing if you don't understand Modules!
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<havenwood>
viki: A lot of gems are just a Module. Not everything needs to be a full on Class.
<Lewix>
never mind what i said,I wasn't following =)
<Lewix>
eval-in: two years later
<Lewix>
viki: they are even more confusing when you understand Modules
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<viki>
I think the exercises i've been doing use classes because they are using real-life objects as examples, like candies and cards and things.
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<havenwood>
viki: I guess the best order to learn is debatable!
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<viki>
Ok well i'll switch back to rubymonk for a bit. I'm actually stuck on one of the exercises there anyway, maybe you'd be able to help? The tests are IN rubymonk, though, I don't have the test code or anything.
<Lewix>
viki: now that I know who you are, I'm on a mission to help you
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<mjc_>
lol
<mjc_>
I think learning modules first would be confusing
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<mjc_>
easier to think of classes as a class of thing and objects as instances of that thing and work from there
<havenwood>
mjc_: hmm, seems like less baggage to me (if you don't have a background in an OO lang)
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<Lewix>
viki: Are you a reader?
<havenwood>
mjc_: just being a thing you put your methods in
<mjc_>
havenwood: most of the tutorials teach OO-first
<havenwood>
mjc_: agreed
<mjc_>
they don't teach procedural at all
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<mjc_>
and I think that is a better approach
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<mjc_>
procedural languages hurt me a lot, took me 5 years to really get OO right
<mjc_>
because of them
<havenwood>
Modules and Mixins are lovely though. And I think you end up with over-use of Classes that way where they don't make sence.
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<havenwood>
mjc_: Now you need to spend another 5 years to switch to a functional paradigm. :P
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<mjc_>
functional isn't hard for me
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<mjc_>
already doing some erlang
<havenwood>
the Modules and Mixins!
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then*
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<artm>
I have a number of automation tasks that I normally run from shell, but would like to provide to my less shell-friendly colleagues to start and monitor via a simple web interface. Are there some tools that I could use to make this possible? I can't seem to come up with a useful search words
<pallavi_>
How to sort time_ago_in_words(participant.created_at)
<pallavi_>
Im using DataTables
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<artm>
first sort on dates, and only then call time_ago_in_words ?
<RSTJNII>
artm: So something like Rake?
<pallavi_>
my "td" has time_ago_in_words as content
<RSTJNII>
Sorry, re-read and see web-interface
<pallavi_>
artm: I want to sort 11 months ago , about 1 month ago
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<artm>
RSTJNII, it is all rake and capistrano for me, but my colleagues aren't using the shell much, I want them just to click some button so one of my tasks get run somewhere on a server and they can watch its stdout
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s/much/at all/
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artm: Honestly, this sounds like a job for a little PHP script...
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Or a CGI script.
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<TMM>
could someone tell me if/how it is possible to add something to the rack 'env' variable from config.ru? I thought it was just all of ENV but that doesn't appear to show up in the running app
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<apeiros>
TMM: add a middleware
<apeiros>
run proc { |env| env["addedkey"] = addedvalue; app.call(env) }
<TMM>
apeiros, oh, of course... I'm actually trying to mock a middleware... *doh* Thank you so much
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<torstein>
is it possible to "enforce" encapsulation in ruby? as in, can I make it impossible to call certain functions on ActiveRecord?
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<Hanmac>
torstein: activeshit can be better discussed on #rubyonrails
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<waxjar>
ruby has undef_method, but of course almost nothing in ruby is 100% "impossible" :p
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<Hanmac>
waxjar: what can be done: remove the method with undef_method, freeze the class itself with #freeze , and then prevent ruby from requireing the evil script that can unfreeze
<Hanmac>
:P
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<torstein>
hmm.. thats actually kind of interesting
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<torstein>
and slightly crazy
<waxjar>
hanmac: i bet you can get around that with a BEGIN {} block or whatever :p
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<hendricius>
ruby question: Encoding::UndefinedConversionError: "\xD6" from ASCII-8BIT to UTF-8
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<zorlin>
"Explain why adding the two strings w and e with + makes a longer string." - I'm tempted to say "because the language creators said it ought to"
<zorlin>
does that make me stupid and wrong? :/
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<tobiasvl>
i agree, that's a strange question. i don't really understand it either
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<tobiasvl>
why it makes a longer string than what?
<tobiasvl>
maybe just explain what + is in this context
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<zorlin>
tobiasvl: a longer string than the individual parts of it
<apeiros>
zorlin: I'd understand it "because concatenating two strings results in a string with the size being the sum of the sizes of the concatenated strings"
<apeiros>
or similar
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<apeiros>
*I'd understand it as
<zorlin>
apeiros: I wrote this
<zorlin>
# EC04: It concatenates two strings, effectively combining them into a single string. #
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<zorlin>
just trying to fact check my stuff before I move onto the next lesson
<tobiasvl>
yeah. "a longer string" here is actually the new string
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<tobiasvl>
you call String#+ which returns a new string which is the result of the two concatenated string, so "a longer string" (it doesn't just output the two strings individually"'
<tobiasvl>
)
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<tobiasvl>
is probably a good insight to have
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<zorlin>
tobiasvl: thanks
<zorlin>
I think I'm feeling a little clearer on all this :)
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<zorlin>
I wish there was an IRC tipper bot for bitcoin/dogecoin etc
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<tobiasvl>
haha
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<zorlin>
tobiasvl: I don't suppose you already use Dogecoin :P
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<tobiasvl>
i do, but i'm not sure i will accept a tip for this marvellous part of an answer
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<tobiasvl>
but i like the idea in general!
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<zorlin>
tobiasvl: okay :)
<zorlin>
thanks, more studying to do xD
<zorlin>
learning this stuff on your own is a change of pace
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<zorlin>
always hated taking classes for programming :/
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<avril14th>
Hello
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<snkcld>
if i want my framework to be able to have symbols passed in to its functions, instead of strings, does that mean that im going to need to have a lot of .to_s's in my framework logic?
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<apeiros>
snkcld: I'd not do that
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<apeiros>
snkcld: if what your method needs is a string, let the user convert whatever he has to a string.
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<snkcld>
ahhh, ok thats exactly where i was going
* apeiros
off for commute
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<jlebrech>
hi, does anyone know how to use rails_admin?
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<snkcld>
if i have a key in a string, and a value in a string, how do i turn that into a hash in one line?
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<waxjar>
snkcld: do you have an example of such a String?
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<snkcld>
key = "key_i_want"; {key: "blah"}
<snkcld>
but what i want is, {"key_i_want": "blah"}
<waxjar>
{ key: "blah" } is short for { :key => "blah" }, it always uses a Symbol as the key
<waxjar>
{ "key_i_want" => "blah" } is what you want i think
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<snkcld>
waxjar: it is, yes
<avril14th_>
snkcld: either as waxjar proposed, or Hash.new("key_i_want" => "blah")
<snkcld>
but how would i create that if "key_i_want" is in a variabie, foo?
<avril14th_>
snkcld: same
<snkcld>
oh, so Hash.new(foo => blah) ?
<waxjar>
{ your_variable => "value" }
<Hanmac>
avril14th_: you are wrong
<terrellt>
Oh snap.
<avril14th_>
?
<waxjar>
avril14th_: what you're doing there is passing a Hash to Hash.new :p
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<avril14th_>
true :)
<Hanmac>
avril14th_: look at this and then tell me why:
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<terrellt>
That's just a shortcut, bud, there were symbol keys before 1.9 syntax.
<avril14th_>
Hanmac: - j + ;
<avril14th_>
Hanmac: - , + ;
<waxjar>
terrellt: read up ;)
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<terrellt>
Apologies.
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<avril14th_>
same
<avril14th_>
:)
<avril14th_>
what a mess for a Hash creation
<tos9>
Hey. What is the typical way to create a shell alias / some other form of telling rvm to always use the `foo` bin from a given gemset?
* avril14th_
autoslaps
<tos9>
(i.e. without needing to activate it)
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<lpvn>
tos9: do you mean a specific gem version?
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<tos9>
lpvn: No, although I guess that's sort of the same -- I just mean that I want `knife` to correspond to the `knife` installed in my `chef-and-stuff` gemset without needing to activate it first
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<lpvn>
put 'rvm ruby-2.1.0@yourgemset' in your .rvmrc, is it that?
<tos9>
(and just running ~/.rvm/gems/ruby-2@chef-and-stuff/bin/knife seems to complain, which sounds like probably rvm is moving things around to get it to work, which I guess I want to replicate without needing to muck with global state)
<tos9>
lpvn: that would activate that gemset by default right?
<tos9>
I want to not activate that gemset so that I can use whatever gemset I want if I need to do some development, but always be able to use knife
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<lpvn>
yes
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<lpvn>
isn't it easy to create a gemset with all gems you need instead of pulling gems from different gemsets?
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<lpvn>
easier
<tos9_>
lpvn: Well, chef isn't a dep of any project I'm working on, it's a deployment tool I just always want to work
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<tos9_>
(besides the fact that it has its own pinned versions of stuff and a whole lot of deps)
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<Morrolan>
Huh. SASL module prevented it from connecting. :/
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<havenwood>
Morrolan: I'm having same issue.
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<BackEndCoder>
yo
<BackEndCoder>
i'm getting confused in what server to use
<BackEndCoder>
i'm new to ruby
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<BackEndCoder>
nginx was going to be my choice, but not if i have to mod the one i have and install it in /opt
<BackEndCoder>
i can stick anything behind pound
<BackEndCoder>
so is there another one that works without having to change my huighly configured orignal nginx config
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<Morrolan>
Oh, hrm, services are down, maybe the IRCd dropped connection when it authenticate me.
<Morrolan>
Let's blame services, then. :D
<havenwood>
BackEndCoder: Nginx or Apache are both fine as a reverse proxy in front of your Rack server of choice.
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<BackEndCoder>
i not sure what there is to choose atm
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<havenwood>
BackEndCoder: Unicorn, Thin, Puma, Passenger, Webrick, or Reel-Rack
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<BackEndCoder>
o, ic so passenger is a server
<havenwood>
oh, or Rainbows!
<BackEndCoder>
i thought it acted like php-fpm
<BackEndCoder>
i will continue to google thanks
<terrellt>
It's a server that integrates with apache/nginx.
<havenwood>
BackEndCoder: Passenger either has a standalone version or you can install it as an Apache or Nginx module.
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<BackEndCoder>
yeah its the installing of the module on nginx thats not quite right
<havenwood>
BackEndCoder: Unicorn with Nginx is nice. Or skip Nginx and just serve up Rainbows! on port 80. :O
<BackEndCoder>
all the tuts ive seen tell me to uninstall the nginx-full i have and install the modded version
<BackEndCoder>
and i can't really do that
<terrellt>
Then use a standalone that you reverse proxy to.
<BackEndCoder>
i've check out the ones you mentioned thanks
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<BackEndCoder>
*i'll
<terrellt>
Like havenwood said, unless you need long-running requests unicorn is great.
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<Karkizz>
Just installed Python, what now?
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<havenwood>
Karkizz: Uninstall Python and install Ruby. You're on the path...
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<lpvn>
tos9_, Gems you install to the @global gemset for a given ruby are available to all other gemsets you create in association with that ruby
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<BackEndCoder>
so, terminology .. and stuff
<mjc_>
havenwood: haha
<BackEndCoder>
rack is like lamp ?
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<Karkizz>
wat.jpg
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<mjc_>
BackEndCoder: no
<BackEndCoder>
so i'm googling for standalone ruby server i guess
<mjc_>
closest thing I can think of is WSGI
<Karkizz>
dang it, guys. Ruby is web oriented
<mjc_>
rack is a way of layering different bits that speak http
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<seacreat1re>
Just a quick note for those who haven't seen it elsewhere. I'm gradually transitioning my Ruby journal (Practicing Ruby) to open-access, and there are close to 70 articles you can already read without signing up: https://practicingruby.com/
<mjc_>
so your app doesn't have to handle the intricacies of say parsing HTML headers, dealing with content types directly, etc
<seacreat1re>
I welcome feedback from anyone, and hope you enjoy the articles :-)
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<Karkizz>
]
<Karkizz>
]
<mjc_>
BackEndCoder: you still want to have a full web server in front of your app, though
<Karkizz>
sorry, was cleaning my keyboard, found something white on my keys
<mjc_>
for serving static files at the very least
<havenwood>
BackEndCoder: Rack wraps HTTP requests/responses and gives a nice API for DSLs/Frameworks.
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<havenwood>
seacreature: Thanks!! Looks like some great issues! ;)
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<mjc_>
havenwood: reel is neat, thanks for pointing that out
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<Karkizz>
Guys, need a good themeable IDE for python
<BackEndCoder>
thanks havenwood i think i follow now :P
<BackEndCoder>
found a few pictures :)
<mjc_>
Karkizz: why are you asking here? this is #ruby
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<havenwood>
Karkizz: Since Python 3 flopped, we renamed Python to Ruby. In Ruby we typically don't use an IDE, but instead use the command line with a REPL and text editor.
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<havenwood>
Oops, he's gone. :P
<mjc_>
heh
* terrellt
still loves IDEs, forgot all y'all.
<havenwood>
terrellt: RubyMine?
<terrellt>
Forget, not forgot.
<mjc_>
lighttable looks neat, I need to start checking it out
<terrellt>
havenwood: Now, yeah.
<havenwood>
Seems to be the best of the bunch.
<terrellt>
Used to use Aptana Studio in eclipse, but the configuration got to be a headache. If the employer's willing to buy rubymine, meh.
<terrellt>
Alright, sidetiq is awesome.
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<Hanmac>
drasch: smells after a thirdparty error ... try #rubyonrails
<EminenceHC>
I have this very simple ruby file that runs a daemon: https://gist.github.com/EminenceHC/8787960 I start the daemon with the command "ruby notify_control.rb start" but how can I make this restart itself automatically if it is stopped?
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<grumper>
what is the sqlalchemy equivalent in ruby? and is there an "industry leader" or there are several competing projects? (sqlalchemy seems to be a winner in python)
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<centrx_supreme>
grumper, ActiveRecord/Rails is probably the most commonly used
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<centrx_supreme>
grumper, (FYI: I think Pylons/Pyramid and Django are fairly common in Python usage as well)
<havenwood>
Hanmac: heh
<Soulcutter>
Sequel is good
<havenwood>
+1 Sequel
<centrx_supreme>
grumper, Sequel is another popular Ruby ORM
<havenwood>
grumper: Ruby Object Mapper (ROM) is an up-and-comer that looks really neat but isn't ready for prime time yet: https://github.com/rom-rb/rom#readme
<havenwood>
Or you can use Sequel without its ORM.
<havenwood>
I think I'd prefer if it didn't have the ORM bits. :P
<amh345>
when i ran a test with File.open("some_file").... all i needed to do was File.open("some_file","w:iso-8859-1") to set the encoding properly. but i can't find any details anywhere for Open3.
<havenwood>
really digging axiom-memory-adapter, looking forward to more adapters
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<xybre>
havenwood: +1
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<JBreit>
I am working on learning Ruby/RoR and am curious if anyone knows what I can research in order to create an e-learning application. Examples of what I am thinking are sites like codeschool, codeacademy & teamtreehouse but I want to create something not code course based. I am not sure what I need to research in order to go through all of the learning management system stuff as well as the validation to make sure that the users entered in the correct data on chal
<JBreit>
lenges and quizzes. Anyone have any thoughts on what I can google to get the right information? When I google this stuff I keep getting things on Adobe Captivate which is what I learned to use for this type of stuff in school but I am trying to figure out how to actually develop these types of applications myself in a more robust platform.
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<centrx_supreme>
havenwood, The Ruby Object Mapper developers have made little progress
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<mjc_>
JBreit: I think there is at least one app that already does that
<mjc_>
in rails, which may be useful
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<centrx_supreme>
PHP is an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth.
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<JBreit>
heh
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<mjc_>
yes, it is
<grumper>
centrx_supreme: AR seems rather limited from googling - for starters single-column keys on tables, or are the google hits outdated?
<JBreit>
I am learning Rails on teamtreehouse, ruby-lang.org and etc
<JBreit>
I like this stuff so far
<JBreit>
easy to ready Ruby
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<JBreit>
I figured if I could take the design stuff I studied in school and learn to make some kind of e-learning app in Ruby/Rails that I could learn a lot both front and back end
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<mjc_>
ah here is one
<JBreit>
I just need to think of something original for course stuff is all
<centrx_supreme>
grumper, ActiveRecord is very powerful. By default, the _primary_ key must be a single column. However, 1) This can be a surrogate key, so this does not limit your data in any way, and 2) There is a gem (plugin) for composite primary keys.
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<mjc_>
you could look at how they structure stuff for inspiration
<JBreit>
Ruby on Rails seems like it would be an excellent platform to create this kind of stuff on
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<mjc_>
it is
<JBreit>
and probably would be a great way to learn MVC without doing another Todo
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<amh345>
does anyone have any ideas on how to set encoding on a file with Open3.popen3?
<centrx_supreme>
JBreit, Yes, it is. And web applications are a good way of "distributing" software without the usual difficulties of running on different platforms and releasing updates
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<JBreit>
I hate to ask this since books are Dinosaurs but after going through the learning Ruby the hard way literature, the manual and some other online references are there any books worth actually investing in to have on the shelf?
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<Guest20125>
Dinosaurs are very good sometimes for help.
<Guest53972>
If you're using RSpec, get the RSpec book. I very much liked it.
<Guest20125>
Agreed
<Guest53972>
Gah, where'd my nick go.
<JBreit>
let me google RSpec
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<Guest20125>
Guest53972: nickserv is being stupid
<JBreit>
I got maybe 1-2 weeks exposure with Ruby so far
<Guest20125>
I'm not allowed to get my nick back yet. -.-
<Morrolan>
Yea, services were down when I connected. I assume it force-changed mine when they came back.
<mjc_>
JBreit: rails4 in action is good, rspec book, well grounded rubyist second edition
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<mjc_>
since you asked about rails
<JBreit>
People keep telling me to dig into Python but where I live that isn't used much like Ruby on Rails
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<Guest20125>
Morrolan: NickServ is ignoreing me.
<Guest20125>
ignoring, even
<JBreit>
it is all about PHP, .NET & RoR here
<Morrolan>
Yea, it seems to be gone again.
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<Morrolan>
Or veeery slow, anyway.
<mjc_>
JBreit: also exercism and rubymonk are good, exercism in particular because you get feedback from other devs
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<Morrolan>
JBreit: Great, at least you can take the Ruby route, then. :D
<centrx_supreme>
Python as a language is a little daft compared to Ruby. It is not an abomination and a scourge on the face of the earth like PHP, though.
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<RubyPanther>
python and ruby are basically the same
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<Morrolan>
Ruby strikes me as more expressive. Though I also like Python quite a bit.
<JBreit>
Ruby was the first back-end language I was interested in learning after I saw a job posting for Jr. Devs in Ruby making $125k about 2 years ago when I first started studying Web Design & Interactive Media
<centrx_supreme>
RubyPanther, Python syntax is backwards and verbose compared to Ruby.
<havenwood>
centrx_supreme: You think ROM wont materialize? I was hoping it wouldn't be too much longer in the wings..
<bricker>
is nickserv down or something?
<JBreit>
though where it was located that $125k would be like making $40k where I currently live due to cost of living
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<havenwood>
bricker: Being DDOSed.
<bricker>
havenwood: ah
<Morrolan>
bricker: Services are somewhat unreliabe, yea.
<Morrolan>
unreliable, even.
<RubyPanther>
modern high level OOP languages, in different flavors. I think python tastes nasty, but it is perfectly healthy to consume. And, you need to basics if you want to take most free online classes.
<centrx_supreme>
havenwood, ROM was originally DataMapper 2. DataMapper 1 had its last release in 2011. They have been working on Datamapper 2/ROM ever since.
<bricker>
I bet #rubyonrails is nice and quiet right now
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<RubyPanther>
bricker: since the start of the superbowl yesterday it has been up and down
<JBreit>
took me like 20 minutes to identify on the network earlier before getting disconnected
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<centrx_supreme>
havenwood, There is a bug report on github for ROM which basically says "ROM does not work with databases" (only works with the in-memory database). It took three months to fix it, and it now only has read-only support. https://github.com/rom-rb/rom/issues/8
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<centrx_supreme>
havenwood, So they are still on square one after 3 years.
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<havenwood>
centrx_supreme: I don't think lack of SQL adapters means square one. Axiom looks great and is arguably the hard part?
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* havenwood
throws hands in the air and persists DB just to memory...
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<RubyPanther>
datamapper was used mostly by Merb, which merged with rails, and AR uses arel now so all the old AR-hate went away
<havenwood>
Nooo, the AR-hate vigil must be maintained!
<RubyPanther>
so is predictably moldy
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<RubyPanther>
AR+odbc+gtk is the stack that saves me from windows and sql server programming
<Beoran>
The new way forward will be ROM (Ruby object mapper)
<havenwood>
Beoran: \o/
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<Beoran>
I guess it will still be 1 year thouh till it stabilizes
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<Beoran>
datamapper is nice though
<amh345>
anyone? bueller? encoding a file as iso-8859-1 with Open3.popen3("gpg........") ?
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<RubyPanther>
top search link for Ruby ROM "Pokemon Ruby ROM Download for Gameboy"
<centrx>
Encoding a file with popen3 and gpg? sounds crazy
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<RubyPanther>
Yet another piece of software with no non-generic part to its name. Failure predicted, even if it is double-awesome
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<RubyPanther>
The best web framework I ever used was named "ServerSide"... don't lose your link, you can't search for it... fail
<amh345>
centrx: it has a charset of us-ascii. no matter what i do. the company importing this file needs it to be as a iso-8859 since it has a latin character in it. and it's killing me.
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<amh345>
havenwood: but the file is still a us-ascii
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<havenwood>
amh345: Ahh, in a subshell?
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<amh345>
with file.open you can File.open("some_fiile.txt","w:iso-8859-1") and it sets the charset.
<Morrolan>
RubyPanther: "Ruby Object Mapper", "ROM" is just an abbreviation 'cause everyone is lazy. ;D
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<Guest33330>
Not that "Ruby Object Mapper" is any less generic, but the expression as a whole is something one can search for.
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<Guest33330>
Argh.
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<BackEndCoder>
looks like services are back
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<Guest33330>
(again)
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<Beoran>
I use more specal names like for my game "eruta"
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<RubyPanther>
and for the relational algebra it uses "axiom" which is not going to be as good as arel, because arel is written by tenderlove. From the axiom readme: "The purpose of this project is to expand my knowledge of relational algebra by attempting to implement a simple query system using the primitive operations defined in relational algebra.
<RubyPanther>
Most of the design is heavily inspired from koios and arel. The reason I decided to write my own and not just build on top of those systems was not so much because I don't like the code/API in those projects, it's more because I wanted to gain a depth of understanding that can only be earned by trying to solve the problem myself."
<Beoran>
"if it is not doucmented it does not exist"
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<RubyPanther>
puts "exists" if Foo.methods.sort
<havenwood>
RubyPanther: Watched that talk live. :)
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<havenwood>
<3 Tenderlove
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<havenwood>
<3 Gorby Puff Puff Thunderhorse
<RubyPanther>
I'm not into spandex, but the dry parts do excite me <3 <3 <3
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<havenwood>
Guest33330: I like that style of documentation (none). :P
<Guest33330>
You also like writing your own C++ bindings to some GUI toolkit. That's sufficient to declare you insane. :P
<havenwood>
Guest33330: Though I don't deny your accusation, I'm not Hanmac. :P
<mjc_>
heh
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<Guest33330>
Oh bleh, I blame your nicks looking similar. :D
<Guest33330>
You're insane nevertheless!
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<havenwood>
Guest33330: :P Yeah, Hanmac and I get crosstalk regularly, heh.
<Hanmac>
lies! he cant be more insane than I ;P
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<havenwood>
amh345: Look at fixing the encoding that you're shelling out code produces, outside of Ruby maybe?
<havenwood>
your*
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<havenwood>
amh345: You're creating the file outside of Ruby.
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<havenwood>
amh345: Does it need to be portable, can you just set LANG* env vars?
<havenwood>
amh345: Or change the encoding of the file after creating it. >.>
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<Hanmac>
i will full document rwx ... after i am finish for changing the internal core system for the 5th or 6th time ... (its not 100% segfault-safe yet)
<havenwood>
amh345: I guess you could export `locale` env vars?
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<havenwood>
Hanmac: I look forward to the docs and the gem being cut to polish.
<havenwood>
Hanmac: I cringe when asked about state of Ruby GUI bindings.
<havenwood>
Hanmac: Save us!!!
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<amh345>
havenwood: would that locale just be what the server is? probably ascii :/
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<yxhuvud>
you definitely want AM:Naming as well. Possibly some other as well.
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<centrx_vice_pres>
rubyracer, FYI, use two spaces for indentation, much easier to read :)
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<centrx_vice_pres>
rubyracer, What line is this error on? Usually Can't convert Symbol into Integer means you are trying to access an array with a symbol instead of an array index
<yxhuvud>
also, that form_for looks incorrect. urls are not added that way.
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<RubyPanther>
two spaces isn't opinion, it is the official one right way
<havenwood>
amh345: My vote at this point is let gpg create the file in UTF-8, then convert the encoding with File.open.
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<rubyracer>
centrx_vice_pres: I used vim's gg=G for indentation
<havenwood>
amh345: Better yet tell them to use UTF-8 like sane folks. :P
<RubyPanther>
and those are horizontal tabs, which are explicitly not supposed to be used for Ruby indentation
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<rubyracer>
centrx_vice_pres: It is actually a rails application. I posted in the ruby room by mistake. Now posted it in #RubyOnRails
<rubyracer>
centrx_vice_pres: I am trying to create a form for a model which is not backed by ActiveRecord
<centrx_vice_pres>
Question: Does // compile a Regexp?
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<havenwood>
two-space soft tabs!
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<havenwood>
centrx_vice_pres: // is a literal, like [], {}, ""
<amh345>
havenwood: i know. it's crazy. i looked at the file in text mate.... vi .. nano.. and i can see the character perfectly! no problem. but their garbage they have must use something not as clean as though for an import. i bet it's windows.
<havenwood>
centrx_vice_pres: Dunno whatcha mean by compile though?
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<havenwood>
amh345: File.open +r it, read, #encode, and write it back with silly Windows encoding?
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<centrx_vice_pres>
havenwood, Regexp.new/Regexp.compile builds the regular expression into a "compiled" form used by the Regex engine. It is a somewhat expensive process.
<havenwood>
centrx_vice_pres: Regexp.new, just like Array.new, Hash.new, String.new
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<amh345>
havenwood: I'm going to try it.
<centrx_vice_pres>
Thanks
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<havenwood>
Yeah, the regexps is constructed.
<amh345>
(i hope it keeps the new charset when it's decrypted)
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<amh345>
it must. since it's just a string.
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<amh345>
....i think
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<havenwood>
amh345: Maybe take a look at rgpg, looks like he already thought about encoding with gpg wrapper gem: https://github.com/rcook/rgpg#readme
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<havenwood>
amh345: or maybe not based on a closer look... >.> though most the gpg wrappers seem old, might be worth perusing gems? dunno.
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<grimly>
I am trying to use the following command ( alias subl="open -a 'Sublime Text 2'" ) the first time it works fine. But after relaunching the termainal, it does not work anymore?
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<grimly>
Pleaseadvise
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<apeiros>
why'd you do that? sublime comes with its own `subl` command which works fine…
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<phat4life>
so, does ruby always pass by reference
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<philcrissman>
phat4life: yes.
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<phat4life>
bah, ruby is too high level
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<Karunamon>
If I had a penny for every time the java dev who sits next to me has said those exact words...
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<Karunamon>
Yes, you, java dev who is reading my screen, I'm talking about you
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<centrx_vice_pres>
At least he is not a PHP dev
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<phat4life>
i am more a c++ dev at heart
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<Karunamon>
To be fair I am kind of a weird case, I learned ruby first
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<phat4life>
way better to learn c or c++ imo
<Karunamon>
then I go to some other languages and get annoyed by certain things not being there
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<phat4life>
because pointers are important
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<phat4life>
ruby also does such much in the background
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<phat4life>
how are you supposed to learn the joys of segmentation faults by learning ruby
<centrx_vice_pres>
Bah C++ is too high level
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<havenwood>
phat4life: Yes, we should all use assembly language. Languages like C are way too high level, they'll never catch on.
<phat4life>
i learned mips
<phat4life>
that counts
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<eka>
hi, is there any simple deploy tool for ruby, like to execute commands trhu ssh?
<vpretzel>
capistrano?
<havenwood>
eka: mina
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<havenwood>
for vlad the deployer
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<havenwood>
or*
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<phat4life>
did the owner of capistrano jump ship
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<Karunamon>
would capistrano be a good answer to Python's Fabric module?
<Karunamon>
it seems to be a bit too centered around deploying rails apps
<havenwood>
phat4life: nope, just released a new version i believe
<vpretzel>
phat4life: last updated 6 days ago?
<eka>
havenwood: thanks
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<vpretzel>
Sorry forgot this was a ruby only room? I guess when I think of deploy i think of rails?
<eka>
Karunamon: fabric is more something like I asked, execute ssh commands remotely.. capistrano is too much
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<havenwood>
eka: Mina is neat if what you're wanting is a single ssh connection where you deploy your script. Capistrano (very popular) makes multiple ssh connections, as does Vlad.
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<platzhirsch>
vpretzel: Yes? #RubyOnRails? I mean, deploy a Rails app or what?
<Karunamon>
mm, I'm trying to wrangle something into controlling/deploying a Tomcat app
<havenwood>
eka: There's always Puppet and Chef!
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<Karunamon>
capistrano looks to be flexible enough but, eh
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<eka>
havenwood: but capistrano deals with all that tag/branches thing I don't want to deal with
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<Karunamon>
Okay, so those answers haven't changed since the last time I asked that question :P
<Nilium>
Karunamon: vim, TextMate, or Sublime Text.
<Nilium>
Or emacs if you're one of those people.
<havenwood>
Karunamon: Though most prefer vim, emacs, sublime, or textmate paired with the command line and a repl.
<Karunamon>
Love Rubymine but there are some terrifically annoying bugs if you don't write your app exactly the way they think you are
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<eka>
I can't go back to other IDEs after vim
<Nilium>
What havenwood said.
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<platzhirsch>
+1
<Nilium>
I can, just not for Ruby.
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<eka>
I do vim, tmux, tmuxinator
<eka>
don't need to touch the mouse
<Nilium>
IDEs imply some amount of slowness, even if they're faster than other IDEs.
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<platzhirsch>
"Look ma, no hands"
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<Nilium>
For example, using IntelliJ for Scala/Java is still much slower than using Sublime for editing, but it's a case where autocompletion makes up for the slowness
<Karunamon>
How do you handle keeping track of what's in your databases when doing vim? Some awesome plugin?
<Nilium>
Karunamon: Some other tool.
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<eka>
Karunamon: DB console on the terminal
<Nilium>
Vim's for coding, duh.
<Nilium>
Why does everything have to be in the same program?
* Karunamon
is obviously spoiled by GUIs
<art-solopov>
Nilium: Unix is IDE, heh?
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<art-solopov>
!pet Karunamon
<art-solopov>
Karunamon: I was too.
<art-solopov>
Still am, kinda. I use Kate.
<Nilium>
art-solopov: Less that and more just sticking to vim ideology.
<Karunamon>
Does vim have a thing that can give me in-line RI or function definitions/
<Nilium>
i.e., Hey, you can ^Z out of this and do things, so stop trying to cram it into vim.
<Karunamon>
*?
<art-solopov>
Nilium: Is there smart vim autocomplete for Ruby?
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<Nilium>
Do you need in-line RI or function definitions?
<Nilium>
I just keep a Dash window open on my second screen
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<eka>
there is everything... even smart plugin management via Vundle
<Nilium>
Dunno, I don't use vim for Ruby.
<eka>
and powerline
<eka>
and nerd tree if you want
<eka>
I use buffers
<platzhirsch>
you have all the same green/blueish font. Pidgin really messed up
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<eka>
no tree
<Nilium>
Screw your Vundle, I use Pathogen.
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<eka>
Nilium: I used pathogen
<eka>
Nilium: try Vundle
<eka>
has update clean install... much cleaner
<Karunamon>
Eh, what's the benefit of switching?
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<Karunamon>
Package into folder, it Just Works(C)
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<Nilium>
Then again, everyone using Sublime says to use Package Control and I think that's stupid too.
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<Karunamon>
see, sublime isn't vim-like enough even with the plugins
<Nilium>
I'm not a very forward-thinking person when it comes to tools.
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<Nilium>
art-solopov: I guess that's a concern for people who care.
<havenwood>
all concerns are for people who care
<Nilium>
I bought it and TextMate, so I'm fine.
<Nilium>
Make a tool I use and I'll pay for it.
<havenwood>
Nilium: I like TextMate2 ;)
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<bricker>
"not free"
<evilbug>
sublime's dope.
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<Nilium>
I like TM2, but haven't used it much recently.
<evilbug>
and hater's gonna hate, keep sippin that haterade.
<havenwood>
art-solopov: TextMate2 is GNU license.
<Nilium>
I did make a color scheme editor for TM themes since TM2 didn't have one last I saw though
<Karunamon>
I haven't been able to pony up the cash for sublime
<havenwood>
FREEDOM \o/
<Karunamon>
but admittedly it is cool and runs on everything
<Karunamon>
that price tag though X_x
<Nilium>
Also because Sublime obviously doesn't have one
<havenwood>
though an OS X project :P
<art-solopov>
havenwood: But it's for Mac. =)
<evilbug>
it's really not that expensive considering you can pretty much turn it into an ide.
<havenwood>
art-solopov: yeah, hehe
<Karunamon>
^ but you can do that with vim too
<eka>
my problem with sublime is the upgrade price... I own ST2, upgrade to 3 is too much
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<havenwood>
art-solopov: portable, hopefully in the future
<Karunamon>
Wait, they charge you to upgrade from 2 to 3?
<lpvn>
you guys should listen to Obie Fernandez: 'Everyone knows that the best programmers use Vim and Emacs. Then come the TextMate users. If you need to use an IDE then you suck, period.'
<lpvn>
lol
<eka>
Karunamon: yep
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<evilbug>
Karunamon: technically that makes sense, the dude's running a business.
<Nilium>
I've been using Sublime for about three years, so my $60 was well spent.
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<Karunamon>
:/ Yeah, in a way, but then again, vim is free and does much of the same stuff - it's just a bit more obtuse to learn is all.
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<eka>
evilbug: no, it doesn't, it should be 30% of the full price or something
<Nilium>
If you need to use an IDE then you can use an IDE.
<Nilium>
Just don't act weird when I suggest not using an IDE because I don't use an IDE.
<Karunamon>
I have a hard time justifying $60 for an editor, more so for upgrades
<lpvn>
eka: yeah that's a classic
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<evilbug>
eka: i'm saying it makes sense to charge for a new version from a business perspective. i have no clue how much he charges though.
<Nilium>
vim's not hard to learn, and Sublime supports some stuff vim doesn't without plugins (and said plugins are kind of iffy right now).
<Nilium>
Karunamon: No, Sublime costs $70.
<Karunamon>
ls
<evilbug>
Nilium: it used to be $59.
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<Karunamon>
(ff, wrong window)
<Nilium>
It used to cost $59.
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<Karunamon>
So the price is going up too? >_< Damnit.
<waxjar>
you can also not pay for it and just click away the little pop up :p
<Nilium>
A $10 difference isn't much of a problem.
<Nilium>
If you're going to be using it for years, I don't think the price matters in the long run.
<art-solopov>
Nilium: How are plugins iffy?
<Nilium>
art-solopov: No, I mean the plugins that do stuff like multiple carets are iffy.
<art-solopov>
Nilium: Ah.
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<Nilium>
Plugins in and of themselves are not iffy.
<Karunamon>
Again, sublime isn't competing with bbedit, it's competing with vim, emacs, and every other $0 editor out there. I mean.. it's cool and everything
<Karunamon>
but $70? Paid upgrades at full price?
<Nilium>
I'm sure they're still being improved, but Sublime has the lead there since it's built into the editor.
<eka>
Karunamon: yeah, I said the same
<evilbug>
Karunamon: upgrade from 2 > 3 is full price?
<eka>
yep
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<evilbug>
wuuut! that's haterism.
<eka>
no upgrade policy
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* Nilium
isn't going to continue discussing the price on Sublime
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<art-solopov>
Karunamon: If we're speaking about IDE, you can use Eclipse. It didn't work for me, but it has Ruby modules.
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<Karunamon>
I wouldn't even mind the price so much if it was a once off
<Nilium>
Ok, nevermind, I do have to comment on this because eka is wrong
<Nilium>
Upgrading from ST2 to ST3 is not full price
<eka>
Nilium: it was when I wanted to do it
<eka>
was long ago
<eka>
Nilium: how much is now?
* Karunamon
stops being lazy and just loads up the website
<Mon_Ouie>
There are no backslashhes in the above string.
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<Nilium>
Then it's an issue in redis.
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<Mon_Ouie>
It just displays it like this because there are quotes used within the string and they're also used as string delimiters
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<Nilium>
Or when redis is printing it, it's inserting the backslashes because it's printing it as if inspect were called
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<ruby_nood>
ok thanks!
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<RubyPanther>
we were talking about try() in #rubyonrails and I was looking at the contributors, and I discovered why people say tenderlove is bad at documenting... his one contribution to that file was adding rdoc hints! So he must be self-documenting.
<Annwyl>
can someone help me with rgss2 here?
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<drewie>
hello. i upgraded and now get the following ruby error: /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/requirement.rb:20:in `lambda': tried to create Proc object without a block (ArgumentError)
<drewie>
any ideas how to fix?
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<RubyPanther>
Annwyl: Only time will tell if somebody helps you.
<waxjar>
extend self would probably be a little nicer
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<viki>
I'm reading the "Naming Parameters" section right above the exercise (last one on the page) and both hints, but I don't quite understand. It says "you have to check if the last argument to calculate is a Hash, then remove it from the list before calling add or subtract," and I'm not sure what "list" it's talking about. I don't think I have an array here, and
<viki>
that's what "list" makes me think of...
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<Lewix>
viki: line 15, why do you have options in the args list
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<art-solopov>
Bye!
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<bricker>
viki: where does it say "you have to check if the last argument..."
<bricker>
?
<viki>
Lewix; I was just trying stuff, I couldn't figure out how to make "see" the other numbers, I'm getting the wrong number of argument errors.
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<viki>
Lewix: still getting wrong number of argument errors
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<bricker>
viki: "you can't use both splatted arguments and last-parameter-is-a-hash at the same time" is technically incorrect, but I think that's beside the point
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<smtp_>
How can I iterate over the characters in a string starting with the *second* character, rather than with the first, which is what String#each_char gives me?
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<viki>
Lewix: I don't think def calculate(number, other_number, options) would do what it needs to do, options would just get assigned to some number and I'd get a wrong number of arguments error again
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<Lewix>
viki: true
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<Lewix>
smtp_: next?
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<viki>
I need the options = {} so i can put add: true, add: false, subtract: true, or subtract: false as options
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<mjc_>
viki: lewix is proposing something that will take twice as much code
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<viki>
rubymonk says: There's no simple way to do this - you have to check if the last argument to calculate is a Hash, then remove it from the list before calling add or subtract.
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<mjc_>
when you pass both named arguments and unnamed ones it returns an array, where the last item in the array is a hash
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<mjc_>
so you can just iterate over the array, check whether the item you have is a hash or not, if it's a hash you can check whether it's add or subtract or whatnot
<mjc_>
the other option is double splat
<mjc_>
which is even simpler
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<viki>
if double splat is a ruby 2.1 thing i don't know if that's going to work in rubymonk, does that use ruby 2.1?
<havenwood>
Lewix: Because it separates your splat input from your double spat input, assigning each their own local.
<mjc_>
havenwood: you don't need numbers and other_numbers, just plain *numbers would do
<Lewix>
havenwood: I meant in the context of viki getting it
<Lewix>
14:05 mjc_: Lewix: that's a complicated, suboptimal solution
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<havenwood>
mjc_: looks like #add and #subtract don't need `options`, i couldn't tell if they were used for other stuff so i left em
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<havenwood>
mjc_: doesn't her #subtract currently need number then other_numbers, or you're just saying best to rearchitect?
<viki>
sorry, somebody came to ask a question at work, gotta scroll up to read
<viki>
gotta leave in 15 minutes anyway, probably not going to solve this before leaving, i guess
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<havenwood>
mjc_: #inject(:+) and #inject(:-) ftw \o/
<havenwood>
is #sum provided elsewhere?
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<havenwood>
mjc_: yeah, given all the constraints presumed, i think Hanmac's single/double splat is nicest, then not passing on options unless they're needed (though if they're being only used for what we see, ha!)
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<bricker>
Nilium: one day you're going to be sorry you felt that way today
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<Nilium>
bricker: I highly doubt that.
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<Nilium>
I'm never going to regret being unhappy that my niece, who is old enough to know better, decided to take a dump behind a shower curtain and hide it.
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<Nilium>
Now this isn't to say that I think she's a bad kid -- kids are weird and do weird stuff, I'll give her that -- but I can be unhappy that I have to deal with it.
<bricker>
haha
<lpvn>
how old is she?
<bricker>
34
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<lpvn>
34 dafuq
<Nilium>
She's 6 or 7.
<Nilium>
Old enough to use a toilet.
<Nilium>
I know this because she normally uses a toilet.
<bricker>
haha
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<Nilium>
Except for the one random time when she was in the tub and apparently thought the toilet was off limits despite being 3 feet away.
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<Nilium>
So she crapped behind the shower curtain. I don't know why, I'm not going to ask why, I'm just going to be unhappy about it and let her continue existing blissfully unaware that I think she's gross.
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<lpvn>
Nilium: in order to calm her you should try to teach her ruby lol
<agent_white>
But then she'll grow up thinking that everyone is OK with crapping in the tub.
<bricker>
hell, that's where I go, it's just so convenient.
<Nilium>
agent_white: No, no, it's been explained that you don't do that
<RubyPanther>
I got away with lots of stuff as a kid, more than I got caught for, I don't think it caused me to grow up thinking nobody cared. Thinking nobody cared would have got me caught.
<Nilium>
It's just that nobody has tried to particularly punish her for it because that doesn't seem like it'd do any good
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<Nilium>
I think she hid it because she knew people cared.
<agent_white>
Wat? Classical conditioning ain't a joke!
<RubyPanther>
Right, so having the hiding fail is already going to be a lesson
<RubyPanther>
You gotta bury that stuff if you're not gonna flush it
<Nilium>
So she had the right idea about it being wrong to crap behind the shower curtain, she just didn't seem to know it was ok to get out and use the toilet when she was in the tub.
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<RubyPanther>
Or use the neighbor's tub
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<lpvn>
Nilium, how old are you?
<Nilium>
Why does it matter how old I am?
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<bricker>
34
<lpvn>
bricker: lol
<RubyPanther>
Nilium: so we can calibrate an ageist response
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<Nilium>
bricker, when your birthday comes around, I'm sending you a little thing to hang on your door that just has the number 34 on it
<DaniG2k>
i'm trying to write records to my db if they don't already exist
<bricker>
Nilium: thank you.
<DaniG2k>
only thing is I have multiple fields I want to check (url/title)
<lpvn>
it doesn't matter at all but I bet you're old
<DaniG2k>
find_or_create_by! only seems to take one field
<RubyPanther>
I'd guess 20s, old people have seen worse