<bobdobbs>
I guess I'd like a little help understanding the the ':thing' syntax
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<RubyPanther>
I would never go there, it sounds like the sort of place goats would live
<pontiki>
bobdobbs: that is a database migration
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<pontiki>
what's going on there is that when you run the migration, it creates a table in your database called "products" with the various fields as shown
<RubyPanther>
bobdobbs: a :symbol is like a string, but that is only used inside the code, as a code identifier. Which is to say it is not data.
<bobdobbs>
ok
<mwmnj>
RubyPanther: Ok, I am coming from python and am just wondering if there is any version fragmentation for ruby as with python 2.7 and python 3
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<dorei>
so, it's time to upgrade from 1.9.3 to 2.1 ?
<RubyPanther>
mwmnj: No. 1.8 is dead and buried, everything is 1.9+ and it is all basically the same
<lagweezle>
mwmnj: Sort of, but it is not anywhere NEAR a problem. <3
<lagweezle>
Er, near as bad of ap roblem...?
<bobdobbs>
pontiki: yeah, from looking at it, I intuitively pick up that a database is being defined.
<aloitius_>
mwnj: It's nowhere near the 2.7 and 3 gap in Python.
<RubyPanther>
unless you're forking and then you want 2.0+ so that you have COWs
<bobdobbs>
what is happening on line 8 ?
<mwmnj>
Ok cool, thanks
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<lagweezle>
COWs?
<pontiki>
bobdobbs: it's defining a numeric or decimal data type, where the data can by 8 places long, 2 of which are actual decimal places (cents in this case)
<lagweezle>
Copy on Write?
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<pontiki>
can be*
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<aloitius_>
OK, I'm parsing incoming data that has field names set up by users, like "(A&W) Rootbeer", and I need to change them into XML-acceptable element names. There must be a way to do this already, right? (Currently, I'm replacing the suspect characters with "_xNNNN_" using gsub!. Heh)
<pontiki>
bobdobbs: "precision: 8" can also be written as ":precision => 8"
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<bobdobbs>
pontiki: what is the data type of "t.decimal" ?
<benzrf|afk>
pontiki: whatcha think of the code
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<jellosea>
how can i run a system command and have it display the stdout in reatime?
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<jellosea>
i'm using %x to run the shell command
<jellosea>
i tried redirecting stdout to stderr but that doesn't seem to work for everything
<pontiki>
bobdobbs: it depens on the underlying database system
<pontiki>
benzrf|afk: less interesting than i thought it would be
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<benzrf|afk>
:3
<benzrf|afk>
always a compliment
<pontiki>
yus
<benzrf|afk>
shows that your solution was the simplest, most obvious one
<benzrf|afk>
:D
<pontiki>
jellosea: take a look at the Open3 stdlib
<soahccc>
okay now I have overloaded my brain with a youtube video from the MIT… Need some serious trash TV now!
<Guest62783>
thank you, this is EXACTLY what i have been looking for
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<RubyPanther>
Guest62783: You should read that whole book, it is the old version of the "Ruby Pickaxe" for free :) You can also a buy an updated version.
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<Guest62783>
i just finished reading poignant guide(which has a great beginning, not so great middle/end) working through the well grounded rubyist right now
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<Guest62783>
would you suggest pickaxe over well grounded for me at this intermediate phase
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<RubyPanther>
Guest62783: I recommend poignant -> pickaxe -> well grounded
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<Guest62783>
great thanks
<Guest62783>
*-*-+
<RubyPanther>
pickaxe is more about learning the language, and well grounded rubyist is more about writing good code
<jackal__>
i am going nuts trying to figure this out haha
<pontiki>
@damage_array_var should have scope throughout the instance
<RubyPanther>
jackal__: don't screenshot, use gist.github.com or pastie.org
<jackal__>
err, i know, it just seems like whatever it is should be super dooper simple
<jackal__>
lol
<jackal__>
if its not ill github it
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<jackal__>
this is really the only part of the program besides a simple menu
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<RubyPanther>
jackal__: insert wants 2 arguments
<RubyPanther>
position, value
<RubyPanther>
if you just give it a position, it ignores you
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<pontiki>
i think you want append there
<pontiki>
but << should have worked as well
<jackal__>
i was using append pontiki, same results
<jackal__>
ah append is different than << gotcha
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<pontiki>
i think it is time to head into the REPL and debug it
<jackal__>
i dont know how to do that
<jackal__>
let me github it
<pontiki>
and if you don't know pry yet, it's time to learn
<jackal__>
if yall are willing to help me figure this out haha
<RubyPanther>
.push and << are normal to add to the end
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<jackal__>
ohh push good idea lemme try it
<jackal__>
nope not working
<jackal__>
ok github time
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<pontiki>
also, if you want calculate to return something interesting, you need something other than puts as the last thing, since that always returns nil
<RubyPanther>
>> %w/ one two buckle my /.push( 'shoe')
<pontiki>
also, also, you're always only going to be writing 999 to DAMAGEARRAYS.txt
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<jackal__>
hm ok
<jackal__>
cant get stupid github to work
<jackal__>
sucks when your irritated nothing seems to go your way, hah cant find the screen to paste in code give me a minute thank you all soooo much for your help
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<pontiki>
actually, i'm not even sure how that doesn't blow syntax errors
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<discord_>
getk.rb:21:in `main': undefined method `try' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
<pontiki>
i never use while, but i'm pretty sure it takes a block
<jackal__>
gotcha
<discord_>
try{
<discord_>
code
<discord_>
}
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<discord_>
catch(SQLexception{ }
<pontiki>
this is fascinating
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<discord_>
why is try undefined
<pontiki>
i think you're using the wrong language
<discord_>
oh
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<discord_>
doh
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<jackal__>
okj
<jackal__>
i got it working
<jackal__>
lolol
<jackal__>
all i had to do was take the append statement and the puts and move it above the if statement
<jackal__>
does anyone know why that would be?
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<RubyPanther>
like pontiki said, puts returns nil
<jackal__>
ok
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<jackal__>
i didnt realize that the nil would cause all that chaos
<jackal__>
thank you pontiki and panther i appreciate your time
<RubyPanther>
normally you would have a return value by itself on the last line of a method, with or without the keyword return
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<RubyPanther>
puts "returned foo" ; foo
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<jackal__>
ok great thanks
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<jackal__>
would it be better to leave it at the end and use return or keep it in the beginning
<webgen>
hey guys
<pontiki>
well, what would be a whole lot better is to make sure your code is properly indented
<jackal__>
nvm, even using return at the end is overwriting it
<webgen>
can u please help me change the PATH ?
<pontiki>
so you can see things like that easier
<jackal__>
how do i do that pontiki
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<webgen>
my ruby path points to the wrong directory and I dont know how to change it :(
<jackal__>
r or where can i read about proper indentation
<pontiki>
doesn't gedit have indentation rules?
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<pontiki>
i've never used it, but i thought it was pretty good
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<jackal__>
this is how its indenting for me
<pontiki>
otherwise, get sublime text 2
<jackal__>
ok cool
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<jackal__>
what is proper indentation? space or tab
<pontiki>
space, always
<pontiki>
tabs are evil
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<pontiki>
the standard for ruby is 2 spaces per level
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<webgen>
source ~/.rvm/scripts/rvm
<webgen>
there you were right it has to do something with the word script :D
<pontiki>
bloody hell. 3 and half minutes
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<pontiki>
comcast i hate you
<webgen>
also, which editor do you use? i installed netbeans and it doesnt even color text :\
<webgen>
3.5 mins for what ? :P
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<pontiki>
my connection keeps dropping out
<pontiki>
emacs 24
<pontiki>
but i've been using emacs since 18
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<pontiki>
i give high props to sublime text 2 these days
<pontiki>
look as good at 24 you will not, subl
<pontiki>
loads of rubyists also are hot in vim
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<pontiki>
for a ruby IDE, i think you can do a lot worse than RubyMine
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<pontiki>
but i question whether one needs an IDE, especially if one is just learning
<pontiki>
but that's also just personal opinion
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<bnagy>
st3 ftw
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<pontiki>
i haven't looked at 3 at all
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<bnagy>
couple of really nice things, you chould check it out
<bnagy>
nothing earth shattering, just handy
<pontiki>
i tried hard with 2, but switching between linux and osx and different kbd shortcuts made it way way too hard
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<pontiki>
things i use all the damn time
<pontiki>
and i'd blow away work without thinking about it because my fingers are so damn hardwired
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<bnagy>
yeah they definitely need to do something about that
<bnagy>
I mean I accept having idiomatic keybindings, but maybe maintain a set of os independent bindings
<pontiki>
the linux version follows the standards set by other visual editors and the other GUI things on linux
<bnagy>
for freaks of nature like you ;)
<pontiki>
it's funny. i was reading through the subl docs, they talk about customizing keybindings, get down to where they mention emacs, and read "what you doing here?"
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<pontiki>
ctrl-a for me is always going to be beginning of line, not select-all
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<pontiki>
but on linux, that's what it is, idiomatically
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<nonnatus>
Stupid newbie question, but what is the appeal of an IDE for Ruby? I still haven't gotten to a point where Vim wasn't convenient enough, and my teachers only used Sublime/Vim as well.
<pontiki>
not a clue, actually
<pontiki>
an RubyMine does have some things going for it, like when I have to dig deep through code that isn't mine, libraries, gems, and such
<pontiki>
but i don't use it often
<pontiki>
and generally end up just perusing it in emacs instead
<pontiki>
i think it is nice sometimes to stay entirely in one window
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<pontiki>
i bounce between emacs and terminal windows and the browser
<pontiki>
but i'd say my work style is a bit idiosyncratic as well
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<TuxLyn>
How do you check if there is string in a file ? I've tried If File.readlines(txt).grep(/id/) but its not working for me.
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<pontiki>
that's how i'd do it...
<TuxLyn>
I'm trying to check file for specific string then if not exists write it :)
<Oog>
cool i didnt know you could break with a value
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<Oog>
i actually have a nested block so what im going to do is set a variable do_break =true if the inner block breaks then check it in the outer block
<TuxLyn>
Oog, you talking about my code ?
<Oog>
TuxLyn: no sory
<TuxLyn>
oh ok
<bnagy>
TuxLyn: you have told it 'if the file contains id, write id to it'
<pontiki>
TuxLyn: you want it to write only if you *do* or *don't* find the string
<pontiki>
^
<TuxLyn>
DON'T exists :)
<TuxLyn>
only if id is not in file
<pontiki>
s/if/unless/
<TuxLyn>
hmm let me try
<TuxLyn>
ponbiki, still same
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<TuxLyn>
I did > if unless File.read(txt).grep(/id/)
<bnagy>
haha
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<bnagy>
CHANGE if to unless
<pontiki>
shouldn't that have given a syntax error??
<TuxLyn>
now have error > undefined method grep :D
<pontiki>
change read back to readlines
<TuxLyn>
ok nothing not writing id
<TuxLyn>
file is empty and its not writing id to it
<RubyPanther>
I haven't used break in like... 8 years or more
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<pontiki>
sure TuxLyn , sorry it took so long to figure out
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<TuxLyn>
ponbiki, no problem ^_^
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<pontiki>
the only place i've used them at all recently is in silly REPL examples
<TuxLyn>
now I'll know :D
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<RubyPanther>
break proves your method is doing too much. If you reach for break, it means you have a giant procedural-style method. If methods do a small amount of work, short circuiting will be a return
<TuxLyn>
any one in here has Asus RT-N56U Router ?
<bnagy>
my worst ever disaster was adding too many cloves
<RubyPanther>
My wife is a Thai chef, I've seen her put sugar in cabbage soup.
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<bnagy>
thais put sugar in everything
<pontiki>
the recipe actually tastes rather awesome when made right
<RubyPanther>
The top answer is good. I used to work in a salsa factory, and I double-seasoned a vat (1440 units) and we just made another vat without seasoning
<firewater>
benzrf: Thanks, that is what I was looking for. Forgot that.
<firewater>
I was looking through docs and didn't see it.
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<RubyPanther>
benzrf: You should design your DRb middleware to be safe regardless of the $SAFE setting IMO
<abunchofdollarsi>
Is there a known issue with TCPServer behaving badly with irb?
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<RubyPanther>
I had to change the $SAFE level of pg PL/Ruby just to get it to run
<benzrf>
RubyPanther: how is that possible thomasxie
<benzrf>
*tho
<benzrf>
i can just undef send on the proxy, then send whatever
<TuxLyn>
Alright, is there a way to use expect/spawn in ruby kind of like in bash ? I'm trying to pass a value like user/pass to command.
<benzrf>
i feel like ruby is so full of holes and ways to do things dynamically, blacklists over whitelists is impossible
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<RubyPanther>
benzrf: by treating all input as dangerous, and parsing and checking it all, potentially using some sort of RBAC system. If you want it to be safe, that is. (eg, in an enterprise environment)
<existensil>
there is no way you can call everyone who designs their software different than you wrong. at worst the alternatives to your golden way are sub optimal
<RubyPanther>
Some people like the schema described in the class, because then the framework can manage it. It is often paired with a philosophy of database agnosticism. But it is also done in data warehousing and reporting where "schema" is somewhat arbitrary concept because everything is views.
<Senjai>
existensil: I agree, but "everything is views" is simply, absoulutely on no metric superior in any facet, save maybe performance and only by the slightest
<Senjai>
RubyPanther: What determines which view is rendered when?
<RubyPanther>
You've probably never seen a data warehouse.
<RubyPanther>
What report a PHB just asked for.
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<Senjai>
RubyPanther: And your view determines which version of itself to send? That's horrible
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<existensil>
I agree with that in principle. But, that lack of superiority does not make it wrong. Just thought these recent statements where a bit heavy handed is all: "Then you're doing it wrong" "No, you're doing it wrong" "There is no way you can..."
<existensil>
though, referring to an actual design principal, the last quote as correct
<RubyPanther>
It may be horrible, but it also dynamic and expert-friendly. You've got to get to the idiotic data somebody created, somehow
<existensil>
s/as/was/
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<Senjai>
existensil: Everything in one class is not wrong? A 1000 line class definition? Heavy handed, sure, try looking at 100kloc of multi user basic written by people who thinks the same way as RubyPanther
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<existensil>
but if it works its not wrong. just ugly.
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<Senjai>
existensil: If it works, and is ugly, it is wrong. It works, but costs you 100x more to maintain and expand
<Senjai>
You end up solivng issues just by throwing more code at it, because you're too afraid to change anything because of how coupled the logic is
<RubyPanther>
There are giant tables with way too many columns ready to fall over on your head, you don't want to manage that complexity in the SQL you write/generate. You throw together a view of the data you need right now. If the framework does that for you, that is a huge win. You just ask for data, and get it.
<Senjai>
It's almost impossible to reliably test.
<existensil>
maybe i'm being overly sensitive about the your use of the word "wrong"... but, that word, I do not think it means what you think it means
<existensil>
;-)
<RubyPanther>
Even from a SQL CLI that is true
<Senjai>
existensil: Wrong means: Every expert worth his salt, every developer that ships software regularly, would say this is among the poorest approaches to development
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<existensil>
there are always exceptions to every rule
<Senjai>
existensil: I still haven't heard of a use case that warrants one here
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<existensil>
in the context of software design philosophy there are never absolutes
<RubyPanther>
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that every database dba worth his salt thinks "software developers" are a bunch of *bleep*s who don't know anything about managing complexity.
<Senjai>
existensil: Agreed, but what arguement could you make for not wanting to seperate the concerns of your classes? Not breaking down a huge class into smaller single responsiblity ones?
<existensil>
i'm not saying there is a use case where defining schema is the best. but lack of being the best does not make something wrong.
<Senjai>
Disk Space?
<Senjai>
lol
<Senjai>
Memory?
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<RubyPanther>
Programmer time and managed complexity.
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<Senjai>
RubyPanther: Uh.. You do know approaching it the way you are increases both complexity and cost of maintenance
<Senjai>
those are antireasons
<RubyPanther>
No, having the framework do more reduces complexity
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<Senjai>
Doing everything in one class by definition increases the complexity of that class
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<RubyPanther>
You're insisting on considering the framework's work as being part of the complexity of the class using it, but I dispute that.
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<Senjai>
No im not.
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<RubyPanther>
People who use it alongside database agnosticism reduce complexity substantially. I'm not one of those, I intentionally increase complexity to match the set of db features I'm using.
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<Senjai>
It doesnt matter about the scale of the app, or what framework you use. If one class is doing x, then y, then z again, and manipulating data between those calls, it doesnt matter what framework they use, your class is too complex
<Senjai>
RubyPanther: "intentionally increase complexity", also you can encapsulate your database hacks in... you guessed it, a utility class.
<RubyPanther>
But if you're doing reports, some of the tables are likely to be poorly designed. I have a client table with over 100 columns. Reports don't have a static schema. There is not a tight coupling between the report application and the schema of the client data. Instead, you want to define through an ORM in as simple a way as possible a dynamic set of data to operate on.
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<RubyPanther>
It is correctly considered at runtime.
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<Senjai>
100 columns?
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<Senjai>
My point is this, your having to design for poorly designed crap, so your encouraged and in somewhat forced to design crap yourself. The person who picks up your code will carry on the tradition and the code will get progressively worse each waking day.
<Senjai>
Instead of designing around crap, write a program that takes the crap out of the equation, an intermediary
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<RubyPanther>
People are not wrong to handle the schema in the class. That battle was fought and both sides are canonically considered to have acceptable flavors.
<Senjai>
Define handle schema?
<Senjai>
I'm thinking we're thinking it's seperate things
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<stephenmac7_>
Quick question: Is there a way to use map without a block?
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<centrx>
stephenmac7, Yes?
<stephenmac7>
Like, instead of my_array.map { |word| word.downcase }
<stephenmac7>
Something like my_array.map downcase
<stephenmac7>
centrx: how?
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<TuxLyn>
Alright, another brick wall lol How do you exit PTY.spawn process when CTRL+C pressed. Ruby script exits but process becomes zombie and still runs.
<Symbiosisz>
I'm trying to use mechanize to automate interaction with a page behind a password wall. This page uses a pop up username and password box though, not one where I directly type into a site. Does anyone know how I interact with that?
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<pontiki>
mechanize can't do js
<Symbiosisz>
pontiki: Ahh, okay. Thank you.
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<centrx>
stephenmac7, array.map(&:downcase)
<stephenmac7>
centrx: How does it work?
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<centrx>
stephenmac7, & calls to_proc on the symbol
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<stephenmac7>
And how does to_proc work?
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<centrx>
stephenmac7, Basically creates a Proc for { |word| word.send(:downcase) }
<stephenmac7>
Thanks
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<stephenmac7>
centrx: What about for something like print?
<stephenmac7>
With just each and not map, of course
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<centrx>
stephenmac7, It helps to be more specific about what you mean
<stephenmac7>
centrx: The equivelant of words.each { |x| print x }
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<centrx>
stephenmac7, For the "print" method specifically, you can get the same result with: print(*words)
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<stephenmac7>
Okay, thanks
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<shaileshg>
Hi, what does :: means in ruby when used in form as ::OpenSSL
<RubyPanther>
shaileshg: it means the root of the inheritance tree
<RubyPanther>
shaileshg: so that if you're in module Foo ; module OpenSSL; ... end ; module Bar; ... here ... then it finds the real OpenSSL and not Foo::OpenSSL
<shaileshg>
RubyPanther: oh. okay. thanks
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<benzrf>
bye
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<centrx>
"i_suck_and_my_tests_are_order_dependent!() - Call this at the top of your tests when you absolutely positively need to have ordered tests. In doing so, you’re admitting that you suck and your tests are weak."
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<Oog>
i have a model with has_many :pluto_links
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<Oog>
calling self.pluto_links how can i order it then? or must i specify the orer in has-many
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<centrx>
Oog, Just add it to the query
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<centrx>
Oog, self.pluto_links is a query, you can add where, order, etc.
<Oog>
ah thanks
<TuxLyn>
Alright, nothing I tried works on PTY.spawn to kill the process after CTRL+C pressed. Any ideas ?
<RubyPanther>
kill -9
<TuxLyn>
I have basic PTY.spawn and then at the end I have interapt
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<TuxLyn>
RubyPanther, yeah tried that :)
<TuxLyn>
openvpn still runs
<TuxLyn>
I can show you source code if you like
<RubyPanther>
yeah, code or it didn't happen
<TuxLyn>
one sec
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<TuxLyn>
I got spawn to work properly now ^_^ But now can't kill stupid process
<AlexRussia>
Who here know regexp?How to write regexp, if me have get in <space>@name<space> @name?
<AlexRussia>
TuxLyn: Hi
<TuxLyn>
Hey ^_^
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<TuxLyn>
RubyPanther, any ideas ?
<RubyPanther>
TuxLyn: Does it get to exit 1, or not?
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<TuxLyn>
yes
<TuxLyn>
it exits script just fine, but openvpn still keeps running
<AlexRussia>
f**k
<TuxLyn>
like a zombie process
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<TuxLyn>
RubyPanther, rescue Interrupt only occures when I press CTRL+C to exit script which is how it should be, but then when I check for running openvpn process it still running its not exiting with swpan process.
<RubyPanther>
TuxLyn: Okay, you need to collect the return value from PTY.spawn, which will be the PID, then before you exit you can Process.kill(9,pid)
<TuxLyn>
RubyPanther, hmmm let me try something...
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<TuxLyn>
RubyPanther, how can I define global variable to use outside of function ?
<TuxLyn>
I've tried return but then it saying local variable pid is not define ^_^
<RubyPanther>
TuxLyn: it is probably less work just to create a class :)
<TuxLyn>
it works great, I've tried all of the configs :)
<TuxLyn>
Thank you and good night.
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<huffjenkem>
(huffjenkem) I need to write a rails app that simulates the ratio of black people huffing jenkem to sewage waste buildup. How do I find the formula?
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<dseitz>
Aren't you special :)
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<shevy>
huffjenkem lol nice trolling man, but can you please leave here and join #RubyOnRails ?
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<huffjenkem>
Will do shevy
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<Fractional>
Is it possible to do this with a hash? foo = {1 => BallClass} ball = foo[1].new?
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<Fractional>
http://puu.sh/75M0h.png - Is this a effecient way of handling the map loading? Is there anything I can do to improve it? (Naming variables or such)
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<abunchofdollarsi>
If you wanted to checkout someone's gem from github and hack on it; where/how would you do this so it plays nice with rubygems?
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<shevy>
abunchofdollarsi depends on whether the gem is registered on rubygems
<shevy>
normally there are no gems on github though
<abunchofdollarsi>
shevy, I can install the gem with 'gem install', but I want to use the development version that is available on github.
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<abunchofdollarsi>
Trying to wrap my head around the ruby middleware and how it's doing system definition.
<shevy>
abunchofdollarsi gem defaults to use rubygems.org as the first target
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<abunchofdollarsi>
Right but I have `gem install --local`
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<abunchofdollarsi>
So I can just checkout and do that?
<shevy>
if you use local gems then it does not matter from where the gem came
<shevy>
what is "checkout" in this context?
<abunchofdollarsi>
git clone
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<shevy>
ok, I assume git clone fetches some remote git repository locally, of course you can fetch remote code local, and then build a new gem after you did all changes locally
<abunchofdollarsi>
Right.
<shevy>
you can see the remote hosts your gem uses via: gem sources
<shevy>
to directly add hosts to "gem install" fetch-functionality, you could use: gem sources --add SOURCE_URI # Add source
<shevy>
I have not actually tried that myself yet, I cant seem to find gems not hosted on rubygems.org much at all :\
<abunchofdollarsi>
So once I check out the repository.
<abunchofdollarsi>
I have this direction that has lib, rake, Gemfile, etc.
<abunchofdollarsi>
Presumable I need to do something to turn it into an <app>.gem though? And then I can install it.
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<abunchofdollarsi>
`gem build` maybe
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<shevy>
you mean directory, not direction?#
<abunchofdollarsi>
Yes.
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<shevy>
ok, so you first identify the proper base directory
<shevy>
then you use the "gem build" subcomponent of gem
<shevy>
Usually the default would be like this:
<shevy>
gem build *.gemspec
<shevy>
problem is some projects do not use a .gemspec
<abunchofdollarsi>
Right.
<shevy>
they use some other way, which I have not found out how they get around this :)
<abunchofdollarsi>
Where does `rake` figure into this?
<shevy>
I think somehow via rake or via bundler
<abunchofdollarsi>
I see.
<shevy>
no idea so far, I am still stumped by this myself
<shevy>
I am sure the info must be stored somewhere else
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<shevy>
I guess most of the content of such a .gemspec is not entirely needed
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<shevy>
gem can nag about if you omit some things. like it wants a .license = entry to denote what license is used in the project
<shevy>
"
<shevy>
A nice side-effect of this is that those who check in valid .gemspec files can take advantage of tools like bundler that allow git repositories to stand in for gems."
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<shevy>
hmm what permission bits should ruby-gem based projects have? 0755 or 0644 ?
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<shevy>
I think I autogenerated some files like with permissions 0000
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<certainty>
shevy: super secure =)
<certainty>
better than 666
<toretore>
all my permissions are 777, for good luck
<shevy>
gem install won't work once you use 0000, I had that problem at work :( now I noticed that one method I use forgot to pass in any permission bits
<certainty>
strange umask though
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<certainty>
every sysop knows those by heart
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<shevy>
pffft
<certainty>
i'm certainly none, but even i know them :p
<shevy>
I use computers so I dont have to remember anything!
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<apeiros>
certainty: and every coder should be able to calculate them
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<certainty>
apeiros: agreed
<certainty>
apeiros: in fact one of my very first C programs did that
<certainty>
almost 15 years ago
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<starfox21>
hey guys, is there a good gem to do things with colors? compute contrasts, convert from one format to another etc?
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<shevy>
starfox21 hmm sounds quite extensive
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<shevy>
starfox21 there may be a variety of gems that solve this or that, like RGB conversions, ansi colours output etc... etc.., not sure if there is one complete gem that does it all in one gem
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<starfox21>
shevy: just being able to easily convert between formats would help
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<shevy>
what kind of formats? YUV and such colourschemes?
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<popl>
is there a memo bot in #ruby?
<popl>
I'll just use memoserv
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<popl>
hah
<starfox21>
shevy: CMYK - RGB - HEX
<shevy>
hmm
<popl>
apeiros: Did you get my memo? ;)
<apeiros>
popl: oooh, I never read memos :-(
<apeiros>
which one records those? CS? NS?
<popl>
memoserv
<popl>
I just sent it and was informed that you were online.
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<popl>
I rarely send them, actually.
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<shevy>
indeed
<shevy>
apeiros is online
<shevy>
that's a truly powerful feature
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* shevy
pokes apeiros
<shevy>
I wouldn't have known otherwise
* shevy
pokes apeiros again
<popl>
shevy: don't you have a baby to steal?
<apeiros>
popl: ok, read :)
<shevy>
I don't steal anything like that popl
<apeiros>
popl: I pushed some more stuff. Table itself is now a bit better documented.
<popl>
shevy: I don't believe you
<shevy>
:(
<popl>
apeiros: ok
<apeiros>
popl: I think the easiest to start is Column and Row
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<apeiros>
popl: Parser doesn't need to be covered with tests as I'm not sure whether it'll stay this way
<apeiros>
oh, I haven't pushed the last updates to docs :(
<apeiros>
pushing…
<popl>
apeiros: I'll make a note of it.
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<apeiros>
pushed
<popl>
apeiros: I'm not promising magic but I will do my best (this will be the first time I write tests in Ruby). Besides, you can always not accept the patches. :)
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<shevy>
what project is this
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<apeiros>
popl: not expecting magic :) I prefer solid handiwork
<apeiros>
popl: I'll go hiking today, I'll be gone in ~15min. I go later than expected, so I'll probably not be back before 2100 UTC
<popl>
I might be sleeping, or doing laundry. I am also looking for an ew place right now so I have been fairly busy.
<shevy>
popl stay at your old place!
<popl>
I'll keep you updated if I make any changes.
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<popl>
technically it's my friend's place and he's pretty tired of me by now.
<popl>
anyways
<apeiros>
popl: `ruby test/runner.rb` to run all tests
<apeiros>
`ruby test/runner.rb FILE …` to run specific files
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<popl>
yeah, I got that much from the comments (I gave it a cursory glance)
<popl>
thanks
<popl>
I will check it out further later
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<popl>
ciao
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<certainty>
isn't it strange that apeiros writes code without having tests :p
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<Nilium>
Woo, now I can write (horribly slow) code like `[:foo, :bar, :baz].value_of { (hash ** 2) & 0xFF }`
<Nilium>
Now if only I had a reason for doing that..
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<certainty>
Nilium: what's it do?
<Nilium>
value_of is just a little key-path thingy, so the block just takes every message sent to an instance of a constructor thingy and stores it as a sequence of keys to access on an object then runs that path against the receiver
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<Nilium>
So, given something like a nested object hierarchy, it'll basically just go through and grab everything it can, reducing/mapping things as needed. Probably still some kinks to work out with the way deeply nested things are handled, but that's on the to-do list.
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<certainty>
Nilium:alright, sounds nifty allthough i didn't fully grok it
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<Nilium>
If you've ever written any Obj-C code that made use of Cocoa's key-value stuff, it's basically like that.
<Nilium>
Except without assignment.
<certainty>
nope i didn't
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<Nilium>
I wonder how hard it'd be to add assignment..
<Nilium>
Probably better not to think about it right now.
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<ddd>
certainty yep. she's just not ready to sit down and try the programming yet.
<pontiki>
it's about solving problems
<certainty>
ddd: it would be easier if she actually understood the english terms. At the moment she can remember the few function names, but later knowing english helps
<pontiki>
be they structural, mathematical, or aesthetic
<ddd>
oh i see what you mean
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<certainty>
eventually i'll just prepare a little file that she can load that redefines the most important macros and functions to have german names
<ddd>
pontiki yeah, I'm good at structural, she rocks at aesthetic
<pontiki>
while i'm not on the bandwagon of "everyone needs to know how to program", i *am* quite sure everyone needs to know how to solve problems
<certainty>
makes sense
<ddd>
agreed
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<pontiki>
learning to program is but a means to understanding how to solve problems, or at least it should be
<pontiki>
and being able to apply that
<ddd>
hehe its become a hell of a lot more convoluted than that these days
<pontiki>
sorry, a bit of a soapbox for me
<ddd>
hey, I'm right there handing out flyers so..
<pontiki>
what is more convoluted?
<certainty>
programming these days
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<pontiki>
i'm not suggesting teaching your daughter how to deploy a Java app in a Tomcat
<ddd>
seems like the problem descriptions are far more convoluted these days. and the programming has become a game of terseness rather than simplistic solution finding.
<pontiki>
back in '69, i wrote my first program in BASIC
<ddd>
i did as well, but mine was in the late 80s
<ddd>
qbasic
<pontiki>
also, i think you aren't really thinking of beginners
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<pontiki>
terseness is a property of recognizing repetition
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<ddd>
pontiki you see it in the rails channel all the time, and other chans like C C++ etc. Everyone trying to take a beginner;s app and refine it down even before they;re sure the beginner even has all the concepts he/she implemented
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<ddd>
+ down
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<pontiki>
and what you'd teach someone who wishes to be a profession programmer is quite different than teaching someone about problems solving using a programming language
<ddd>
to me, your 2nd should be the first goal. your first should be a natural extension of the 2nd
<pontiki>
yes, true, and that is coming from quite a different space
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<certainty>
programming is all about recognizing patterns, you can literally solve a huge class of problems knowing a handful of patterns. And i don't speak of design patterns
<pontiki>
that's actually quite what i'm saying
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<pontiki>
design patterns are a quite specific sort of pattern, yes
<ddd>
oh, cool :)
<webgen>
programming is real economics lol
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<pontiki>
but i'm *also* speaking different learning levels
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<pontiki>
sadly, i think a lot of people have come to the table of wanting to learn to program with*out* basic problem solving and critthink skills
<ddd>
for me personally i have found learning to program is learning to recognize that there are patterns, and then how to solve
<certainty>
SICP and the little schemer/lisper show this very clearly. Slowly introducing more code patterns
<pontiki>
yes, i remember the little lisper :)
<certainty>
very good books
<ddd>
i've heard of, but never seen or tried
<certainty>
and entertaining too
<pontiki>
i wish i still had my copy
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<certainty>
i have the entire series, the little, seasoned and reasoned schemer
<ddd>
see, didn;t know there was a whole series
<certainty>
:)
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<certainty>
speaking of being afraid of parens. In my carreer there have been two languages that i've somehow been afraid of because i failed to grok them when i first tried
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<pasafona>
thanks pontiki & ddd: I didn't use load("path") ... tried load path :)
<certainty>
that's lisp and haskell. Do you know what i mean?
<ddd>
i do
<ddd>
i still am
<pontiki>
i suppose so
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<pontiki>
lisp was my 3rd language, and the first i consider where i really learned programming
<certainty>
makes perfect sense
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<pontiki>
1st was BASIC, 2nd was Fortran
<certainty>
other languages such as ruby are easy as pie to learn
<pontiki>
but Lisp was beautiful to me
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<ddd>
i went weird. 1 - BASIC, 2 - Assembly, 3 - C
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<ddd>
smattering of C++ and now Ruby
<dorei>
x86 assembly?
<ddd>
yeah. on the 486DX2
<certainty>
i started off with C then C++, Perl, Prolog, Common Lisp, Scheme, Haskell, Ruby, Clojure .. tried a few others
<certainty>
basic seems to be the favorite still
<ddd>
been a long long time sinc ei;ve even looked at assembly. wonder why we drop certain languages
<certainty>
to start with at least
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<ddd>
yeah i still have a plac ein my heart for basic
<dorei>
ddd: assembly skillz are handy when trying to crack software :)
<ddd>
dorei hehe i didn;t even know what cracking was back then :)
<ddd>
i'd just found a manual on Assembly in the library
<certainty>
make jz a jnz
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<terence>
Hello, I'm new here, may I ask a technical question?
<certainty>
terence: don't ask to ask
<certainty>
just ask
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<pontiki>
i'm reading up on Clojure now
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<certainty>
pontiki: as you already know lisp you'll find it instantly pleasing.
<certainty>
also having the ability to write much of your program in a pure style
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<pontiki>
i think i'm going to enjoy the additions of vectors and hash maps
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<certainty>
yeah maps are the clojure work hors
<ddd>
maybe its because I came so late to the game (real world programming) but I don;t understand what;s meant by 'pure style' in that sentence
<pontiki>
ah
<pontiki>
pure lisp
<ddd>
oh, framework free you mean
<terence>
I have a function defined in C and called in Ruby, but in Ruby it failed to call that function, says "method not defined!"
<pontiki>
not mixing in java, forex
<certainty>
ddd: pure code doesn't have sideefects
<ddd>
hmm
<dorei>
terence: ffi?
<pontiki>
certainty: lisp is where i learned about REPL-driven development, testing and acreting functions, and building things up, as well as building them down
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<certainty>
ddd: every function is a function in the mathematical sense.
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<ddd>
ok that i grok'd
<pontiki>
oh, ISWYM
<pontiki>
yes, *that*
<pontiki>
there is much elegance in that
<certainty>
pontiki: that's really great once you're used to it. Try it out while you code your way along. Also it encourages to build many small functions that you can try out and build on them
<dorei>
certainty: functions in the mathematical sense dont have sideeffects
<certainty>
haskell folks used to say that you have small functions that are obviously correct, though i'm not fond of that description
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<terence>
I mean the "cblas_gemv" cannot be found
<pontiki>
s'funny, i never even came upon the term REPL-driven development until one of avdi's tapas eps mentioned it
<pontiki>
i always thought of it as poking at things interactively
<certainty>
ruby is a good fit for the repl as well. You need to be able to constantly redefine things
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<ddd>
i read that in one of his programmingruby posts i think
<pontiki>
this is why i so love pry
<ddd>
me too
<terence>
and "cblas_gemv" is defined in ext/nmatrix_gemv/math.cpp
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<pontiki>
i saw cirwin's talk at railsconf2013 about it
<dorei>
terence: it isnt defined in any of your ruby code?
<ddd>
missed that one
<pontiki>
but didn't grok on the REPL-driven thing
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<pontiki>
i was kind of half asleep....
<ddd>
hehe
<pontiki>
there's a better version at freaks
<pontiki>
one sec, let me dig it up
<ddd>
ok
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<terence>
@dorei but I have it defined using like this "rb_define_singleton_method(cNMatrix_BLAS, "cblas_gemv", (METHOD)nm_cblas_gemv, 11);"
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<dorei>
terence: i think this is for using ruby code from within C/C++, aint sure though, whenever i want to call C code from my ruby progs i use 'ffi'
<terence>
dorei:yes it is!
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<dorei>
terence: but u're doing it the other way, u want to call C code from your ruby code
<ddd>
pontiki if you find it, msg to me please? my wife needs me for a bit
<shevy>
why is this fucking twice as long as ruby's exception handling
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<Fractional_>
j416: I am deeply sorry that I forgot to thank you, Havenn. Please have my apologies.
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<j416>
Fractional_: I didn't mean it like that, but.. yeah.
<j416>
:)
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I'm writing a simple ruby script that makes some http get requests using net/http or something similar. They are connecting to the same host. Since I have io lag due to network latency, I think it would be best to make concurrent get requests. I'm wondering what is the best approach here? Are my options a thread pool, or fibers? Are there newer types of concurrency in ruby?
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<drocsid>
I'm writing a simple ruby script that makes some http get requests using net/http or something similar. They are connecting to the same host. Since I have io lag due to network latency, I think it would be best to make concurrent get requests. I'm wondering what is the best approach here? Are my options a thread pool, or fibers? Are there newer types of concurrency in ruby?
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freenode being ddosed again? fucking script kiddies…
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