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<n_blownapart> apologies to cent*rx if s/he is on, but I'm still confused about some code from yesterday here, re: lines 3 and 4 : http://pastie.org/9151490 .
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<benzrf> n_blownapart: don't use pastie, use gist !
<n_blownapart> benzrf: alright one sec
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<benzrf> nbd
<benzrf> just a recommendation :u
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<benzrf> also i am not a big fan of that code o-o
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<n_blownapart> https://gist.github.com/varreli/4bc2089a396b954371a4 benzrf yeah well the author gives a disclaimer, but my question is regarding just ruby basics and what is happening.
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<n_blownapart> my question is on lines 3 and 4, that those are two indices [0] [-1] on an array with a maximum length of 2....actually, if someone would walk me through the program flow of this code..
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<n_blownapart> my confusion began with the necessity to use [-1] on line 4, instead of say, [1].
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<n_blownapart> since [0,1] is the maximum allowable length : if rocks_arr.length <= 2
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<n_blownapart> but then I realized I couldn't follow the recursive behavior very well...
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<n_blownapart> benzrf: ^
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<jimbow> has anyone completed test first ruby?
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<benzrf> n_blownapart: -indexes count backwards
<benzrf> >> a = [1, 2, 3]; a[1]
<eval-in_> benzrf => 2 (https://eval.in/147874)
<benzrf> >> a = [1, 2, 3]; a[2]
<eval-in_> benzrf => 3 (https://eval.in/147875)
<benzrf> >> a = [1, 2, 3]; a[-1]
<eval-in_> benzrf => 3 (https://eval.in/147876)
<benzrf> >> a = [1, 2, 3]; a[-2]
<eval-in_> benzrf => 2 (https://eval.in/147877)
<benzrf> >> a = [1, 2, 3]; a[-3]
<eval-in_> benzrf => 1 (https://eval.in/147878)
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<n_blownapart> thanks benzrf I understand that much.
<n_blownapart> but..
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<n_blownapart> if there are only two rocks coming from the randomizer / iteration, and they are say 120 lbs and 133 lbs, 133 would go to b = rocks_arr[-1] , right?
<benzrf> y
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<n_blownapart> so b = rocks_arr[-1] could be represented as rocks_arr[1], since there are only a maximum of 2 elements allowed on line 2 (rocks_arr[0,1]
<n_blownapart> )
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<benzrf> n_blownapart: yep
<benzrf> in fact i myself would use .first & .last
<n_blownapart> benzrf: that's what I thought but [1] creates an error.
<benzrf> how strange
<benzrf> oic
<benzrf> that's if there's only one element
<benzrf> -1 will be the last one, which is also the first one
<n_blownapart> whats oic
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<n_blownapart> benzrf: sorry to bug you, but I can't see how this code works, beginning with the if part of the if/else statement.
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<benzrf> oic == oh i see
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<n_blownapart> oic
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<Jaden> hi
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<Jaden> Can ruby be used for serious web apps that need to scale?
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<DouweM> sure
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<Jaden> I heard twitter had a problem with ruby and had to fake a demo to the Russian president becuase the system was too slow even after moving some back-end processes away from ruby.
<katlogic> Yes
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<katlogic> That being said, github runs on ruby :)
<Jaden> they eventually had to chuck ruby altogether.
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<DouweM> kickstarter and airbnb as well
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<katlogic> Jaden: The answer is always the same. Just throw more hardware at the problem.
<DouweM> they're not quite at twitter or google levels of scale, but they're not small by any means
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<DouweM> (I meant twitter or facebook, although google is obvs too large for ruby as well)
<Jaden> google uses C++ for the core of their search. They are like super optimized.
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<havenwood> >> require 'rubygems/text'; include Gem::Text; levenshtein_distance 'google', 'facebook'
<eval-in_> havenwood => 8 (https://eval.in/147881)
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<DouweM> :P
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<Jaden> google is using C++ for everything. Even chrome.
<DouweM> the mistake happened in my head not my hands
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<benzrf> i thought they used java + python
<katlogic> Jaden: Depends. Internally, google is pretty wild mix, its the least opinionated tech giant I know.
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<katlogic> Sure the raw engine is almost all C++, but just head over to youtube ...
<Jaden> They use c++ for their core products. Python as glue. Not sure what they use java for but ti's not search.
<Jaden> youtube is not a google product. It was purchased by google.
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<katlogic> Obviously. Which does not make it google product and they kept the code same as it was in 2006.
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<Jaden> Maybe we should emulate google and write our web apps in C++. It seemd to work for google and thye are the kings now.
<katlogic> Go ahead :)
<Jaden> seems like all the companies that go native are the kings. FAcebook, Apple, and microsoft.
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<katlogic> Huh?
<Jaden> companies that write their core products in C, C++, or Objective-C.
<Jaden> native, non-garbage collected languages.
<katlogic> ms is asp.net, fb is php, apple is webscript :)
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<Jaden> ms doesn't use asp.net for their core products. It's all c and c++. proven by gthe leaked source of windows NT.
<drizz> wat
<katlogic> I see. Would you please keep us entertained on higher levels than this failtroll?
<Jaden> asp.net is to microsoft as python is to google. The money making products don't use it.
<benzrf> what is webscript
<katlogic> benzrf: itunes.
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<benzrf> i mean what is the lang
<Jaden> face book really is biggy backing on C-programs. LIke mySql. They use the php as glue and have rewritten most of their important stuff to C++ and D.
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<Jaden> when you use face book in 2014 you are essentially using a c++ program.
<DouweM> Jaden: you sure? they didn't write Hack for nothing
<Jaden> seems like all the big players are using C++ for their web apps. So why should I use ruby?
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<drizz> because you aren't a multi-million dollar company with 600+ employees?
<DouweM> Jaden: because you're not yet at a place where the difference in performance makes up for the difference in ease of development
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<katlogic> benzrf: Bastardized objc more or less.
<DouweM> katlogic: interesting
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<drizz> multi-billion dollar, sorry
<Jaden> but c++14 is easie than ruby.
<shevy> Jaden what do you have to say to Hack man
<Jaden> c++14 gives you teh easy of ruby with the performance of assembly.
<DouweM> Jaden: no one's stopping you
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<shevy> teh easy
<drizz> sure, knock yourself out
<DouweM> and yeah, the FB is C++ sounds like bs
<havenwood> Jaden: maybe you should write a kernel?
<shevy> wif ze money me gets teh easy
<DouweM> lol
<havenwood> facebook is hack and php
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<havenwood> not some sekret C++ shop
<shevy> Jaden what language are you using?
<drizz> havenwood: but writing a kernel is easy
<drizz> just add some c++14 and you're done
<katlogic> C++ is web scale. Unless you you use boost and threading, because your app would die of lock contention.
<Jaden> FB rewrote most of their stuff to C++. They use php only as a glue now. Like google uses python in it's search as glue when c++ is the program.
<DouweM> Jaden: [citation needed]
<katlogic> Crappy C++ programmers are the reason why things like node.js exists. If you can't fail at locking things are cloud-worthy.
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* katlogic is exhausted from all webscale yuppie talk
<n_blownapart> yes let's get back to helping ruby noobs https://gist.github.com/varreli/4bc2089a396b954371a4
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<krazh> c++ for web i think the only benefit is performance
<Jaden> just wanted to make sure you ruby people new that C++14 is easy as ruby but fast as assembly.
<DouweM> Jaden: [citation needed]
<katlogic> :)
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<ixx> how do people handle tests with libraries that use api keys or passwords while not committing the credentials? Is it reasonable to expect that a test suite will not even run until keys are put in place?
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<DouweM> ixx: mock all API comm
<katlogic> Jaden: I recommend taking some sort of class on this, ie try http://www.reddit.com/r/programmingcirclejerk before attempting this here.
<Jaden> look at the C++14 videos on youtube. YOu can make stuff in c++14 as easy as ruby and it has labmdas and you don't have to type out the types.
<DouweM> Jaden: "as easy as ruby" [citation needed]
<drizz> but in Ruby, you barely even have to type out the lambdas!
<DouweM> Jaden: be more specific
<krazh> but you still have to compile code
<Jaden> Yeah, but with clang you don't need to compile to get all the nice thigns that interpreted langauges get.
<drizz> like... what?
<Jaden> clang with C++14 = blows ruby out of the water.
<ixx> DouweM: okay that is where I am going. I do not see much consensus.
<DouweM> ixx: consensus is with mocking all comm. your test suites should require an internet connection or any external input in the form of api keys
<Jaden> like code formating. Auto-completion (way better than ruby anyway since it's a static langague). Runnign it wihtout compileing. etc
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<drizz> running it... without compiling it?
<Jaden> clang has lifted c++14 up to the next level of awesome tool features. Ruby no longer has any advanges.
<drizz> aha
<DouweM> Jaden: "blows out of the water" [citation needed] "no longer has any advantages" [citation needed]
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<DouweM> Jaden: give us some actual examples
<katlogic> drizz: Sadly Jaden is right, it is possible.
<DouweM> Jaden: of C++14 being easier to use/better than Ruby
<Jaden> clang + emacs + c++14 = the best start up language that google, apple, face book, and microsoft have used to conquer the market.
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<katlogic> He didn't do his full c++14 troll homework tho.
<katlogic> inb4 he googles the cern c++ jit/repl compiler :)
<DouweM> lol now suddenly everyone uses C++14
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<DouweM> and emacs and clang became languages!
<ixx> DouweM: i should say i see a bunch of gems not mocking. env vars and other stuff in use. does not feel right. i'll continue mocking. thanks
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<Jaden> clang lets you do thigns that normally you had to compile to do. So ti's like working in an interpreted lanaguage.
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<katlogic> Jaden: I heard there are now Boost templates which give superpowers, even when using g++.
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<Jaden> the modern c++14 toolchain just rocks so hard. I dont' understnad why people bother with failed Twitter langauges like ruby anymore.
<DouweM> obvious troll is obvious
<Jaden> lol, they actually replaced Ruby with Java. That's got to be embarassing. Converting to java for a peformance boost. lol.
<krazh> ruby is not failed as a language is only a syntax the thing may be the interpreter needs to get better
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<havenwood> Jaden: Go. Nimrod. Rust.
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<Jaden> pfftt. Go doesnt' ahve generics. Nimrod/rust garbage collected, no?
<Guest18759> Anyone here have experience going into a programming role or entry IT role from another field of work?
<havenwood> Jaden: no, i'm suggesting those would be more appropriate languages for you to go troll
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<Jaden> c++14 is a more modern lanague than Go. Seriously go is like C with sweeter things, but still fails in teh same areas as C.
<Guest18759> I really want to get into programming or IT, applying for a CS degree right now, but already have a degree and also work in the finance world right now.
<havenwood> Jaden: #go-nuts
<n_blownapart> if there are only two elements in an array, can't they the first be given the placemarker arr[0] ... and the second either arr[1] or arr[-1] ?
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<havenwood> Guest18759: Lots of devs don't have cs degrees. Doesn't really come up.
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<Jaden> Go is a half-way decent langauge. NO need to go to their go-nuts channel. They fall short of C++14 and it's clang tools, but compared to ruby they are lightyears ahead.
<Guest18759> havenwood: Do you work in that field rgiht now?
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<havenwood> Guest18759: yup
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<arrubin> Guest18759: Finance is far more competitive than most industries for developers.
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<Guest18759> arrubin: You work in the field?
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<Guest18759> or not yet?
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<Jaden> in finacne they use C++. Not a good field for ruby devs.
<arrubin> Guest18759: No, but I am generally aware of it.
<krazh> the thing i like from ruby is it has a beautiful language syntax way better than c++ or javascript
<Guest18759> ok, was just curious.
<havenwood> Jaden: I don't think you'll find any C++ converts here, whether 98 or 14
<Guest18759> Jaden, they use Java I know because I asked.
<Guest18759> Some use C++.
<Jaden> you talking c++ or c++14? becuase c++14 has syntax just as good as ruby.
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<Guest18759> As well.
<krazh> c++
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<begova> sorry for interrupting. how can I join rails channel?
<havenwood> begova: register your nick then #rubyonrails
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<begova> much appreciated. best
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<shevy> how can I make an array with symbols?
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<havenwood> >> %i(omg wtf bbq)
<eval-in_> havenwood => [:omg, :wtf, :bbq] (https://eval.in/147894)
<havenwood> shevy: ^
<shevy> yay
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<shevy> and I am on a ruby that understands this
<shevy> so double yay \o/ \o/
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<shevy> >> %i(1)+%i(2)
<eval-in_> shevy => [:"1", :"2"] (https://eval.in/147895)
<shevy> >> %i(yo)+%i(hey)
<eval-in_> shevy => [:yo, :hey] (https://eval.in/147896)
<shevy> hmm
<cashnguns> >> %i(what )+%i(sup)
<eval-in_> cashnguns => [:what, :sup] (https://eval.in/147897)
<cashnguns> that's pretty cool
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<wallerdev> >> [] + []
<eval-in_> wallerdev => [] (https://eval.in/147898)
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<shevy> lalala
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<rOOb> Hey all. I'm trying to use gem to install some stuff but I keep getting this error:
<rOOb> ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::RemoteFetcher::FetchError)
<rOOb> SocketError: getaddrinfo: No such host is known. (http://rubygems.org/latest_specs.4.8.gz)
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<rOOb> I'm not using any kinda http proxy...which from googling people mention is causing this....but I'm using laptop on my home network with no proxy in place
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<belozi> hey
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<rOOb> Heres a run down of my env and what is going on...it makes no sense to me. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/892985c8d63c62054514
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<belozi> I'm new here. How do I enable the chat?
<belozi> I can't see shit captain.
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<gimpygoo> belozi: what do you mean ?
<belozi> ...maybe I need to restart my computer?
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<belozi> gimpygoo: is anyone talking?
<gimpygoo> no, just you and me.
<belozi> oh...
<gimpygoo> Sorry if you whispered me lol
<gimpygoo> :) if you see me talking then your all good. :)
<belozi> I have a question, then.
<belozi> Is that cool?
<gimpygoo> I can try my best to help .. shoot.
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<belozi> So I had this coding challenge today that I couldn't figue out.
<belozi> *figure
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<gimpygoo> I dont know how much help ill be bud, but if you just ask the question in channel people see it and will always try to help ya.
<belozi> It was to create a method that takes two arrays and compare them to see if the pairs e.g. a[0] and b[0] were anagrams
<gimpygoo> mmk
<belozi> I couldn't make it work.
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<belozi> I taught myself ruby.
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<belozi> I failed that challenge.
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<gimpygoo> Im here for help myself. im afraid i wouldnt be able to help you with that.
<gimpygoo> sorry bud.
<belozi> np
<gimpygoo> someone will answer you though :)
<gimpygoo> They always do.
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<belozi> I just found this place by reading beginning ruby: from novice to professional and I wanted to give it a shot.
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<gimpygoo> oh very cool
<gimpygoo> Irc rocks .
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<gimpygoo> use it.. its just a little dead at the moment.
<belozi> ...or at least hear people talking about solving problems with ruby and maybe learn something.
<gimpygoo> You could even go to a programming channel (general) to get the logic your asking about.
<belozi> ...ahhh
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<belozi> So are there people talking, because that's really waht I came for.
<gimpygoo> It just depends really on the channel and the time of day/night.
<belozi> I just asked because it was so quiet and I'm a little bit bummed out about failing that.
<gimpygoo> :) Keep trying .
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<gimpygoo> lol I get ya.
<gimpygoo> type /list
<gimpygoo> and it will list out the channels.
<gimpygoo> what irc client you using ?
<belozi> mIRC? is that it?
<belozi> I dunno.
<gimpygoo> thats it :)
<gimpygoo> yeah so just type /list and the server will send you a channel list.
<belozi> list
<gimpygoo> You can then just enter them and
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<gimpygoo> no
<belozi> lol
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<gimpygoo> gotta have the / before it.
<belozi> I suck at life.
<gimpygoo> nahh
<gimpygoo> Its a lot to learn at once.
<gimpygoo> Irc has been around for a long long time.
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<gimpygoo> some of its power comes from scripting thats done.
<gimpygoo> for another expample you could type /join #"channel name"
<gimpygoo> you put a # before any channel name.
<gimpygoo> just fyi.
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<gimpygoo> or just double click on the list that pops up on the channel you want to join .
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<certainty> moin
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<Steve21> anyone got exp working in SCAN command with redis?
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<vali> morning
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<tobago> is there a Enumerable method like Array#each_slice but returning a "matricified" version? example outputs: https://gist.github.com/trinibago/c517d1a544fa6504b244
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<tobiasvl> and by "return" you mean "print" because all your examples just return nil
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<tobiasvl> oh wait you do inspect yourself
<Xeago> tobago: it's fairly easy to create tbh
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<tobago> tobiasvl, no. by return I mean the same return like each_slice does (nil)
<tobago> Xeago, any idea?
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<tobago> Xeago, too bad, my algorithm looks pretty messy to me: https://gist.github.com/trinibago/c517d1a544fa6504b244
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<Xeago> make an array of size n, where each element is an array
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<Xeago> then loop over the array, from 0-m
<Xeago> add to input[m] to array[m%n]
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<tobago> Xeago, quit don't understand. can you give a draft of your algo?
<tobago> quite
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<tobago> what is input?
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<apeiros> tobago: "but returning a "matricified" version", "no. by return I … return nil" - eh, what now?
<apeiros> also a matrix would not have differing number of items in each row
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<apeiros> it seems to me you want to split an array into N chunks, but with some kind of balancing algorithm (instead of having the last array have the remaining elements)
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<tobago> apeiros, that's why I cited it. Obviously it's not a matrix.
<Xeago> input is your [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]
<apeiros> you mean "put in quotes"?
<tobago> apeiros, I posted my version of algo (which is messy). and added some expected example outputs
<tobago> apeiros, yes
<tobago> Xeago, o.k.
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<tobago> apeiros, the "behaviour" should be similar to slice, but the sub arrays should be in a different order tha slice does.
<apeiros> avg_size = array.size.quo(columns); (columns-1).times do |i| yield(array[(i*avg_size).round..((i+1)*avg_size).round]) end; yield(array[((columns-1)*avg_size).round..-1]) # might have an off by one error
<tobago> than
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<apeiros> ah, I see
<tobago> apeiros, a block parameter?
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<apeiros> mine chunks, you don't want chunking.
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<tobago> apeiros, I want chunks.
<tobago> apeiros, iterating over result chunks [[1, 4, 7, 10, 13], [2, 5, 8, 11], [3, 6, 9, 12]] for example
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<tobago> apeiros, the number of chunks depends on the "columns" number.
<tobago> apeiros, and the chunks are in a different order than the original.
<tobago> sorry. I mean the items of the chunks
<apeiros> tobago: no, those are not chunks
<apeiros> a chunk would retain the order from which it was chunked
<tobago> apeiros, o.k. than that is my misunderstanding of chunks.
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<apeiros> you want the array transposed
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<tobago> apeiros, right! that is the correct math word for it.
<apeiros> the difficulty is that your sliced array is not a matrix
<tobiasvl> god thank you, I was searching wikipedia for that term
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<tobago> apeiros, right.
<apeiros> so array.each_slice(n).to_a.transpose won't work
<tobiasvl> "is it an INVERTED matrix? no, no!"
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<apeiros> tobago: got a bit distracted. here's my version: https://gist.github.com/apeiros/1a843bc3afeac9a40560
<apeiros> no guarantees :)
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<apeiros> oh, and add a new line with `nil` to get the desired return value
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<tobago> apeiros, awesome!!! works like a charm for my first tests. :)
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<tobago> apeiros, still trying to understand your code. and I'm very much impressed... awesome.
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<apeiros> well, all it does is step through your array in the distance you specify by the argument
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<apeiros> the complication comes from dealing with edge cases
<apeiros> (the two times I have a .min in it)
<Hanmac> tobago & apeiros: what against "group_by.with_index {|_,i| i % n }" ?
<Hanmac> >> ("a".."z").group_by.with_index {|_,i| i % 3 }.each_value { |n| p n }.to_a
<eval-in_> Hanmac => ["a", "d", "g", "j", "m", "p", "s", "v", "y"] ... (https://eval.in/148014)
<apeiros> Hanmac: nice. probably more work for ruby :)
<apeiros> Hanmac: .each_value(&block); nil
<Hanmac> pah, ruby can work more so that i dont need to work ;P
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<apeiros> heh, true
<apeiros> it's definitively the nicer solution than mine
<tobago> apeiros, the snippet looks so very much optimized.
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<apeiros> (what happened? since when does Hanmac write nice code? :-p)
<tobago> apeiros, You're right in terms of readability. But I assume, your snippet is more perfomant.
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<tobago> performant
<Hanmac> i didnt had breakfast yet ;P
<apeiros> tobago: probably. but the difference probably doesn't matter.
<apeiros> I think I'd actually go with Hanmac's code
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<redhands> [].uniq! returns nil, i'm not sure i like this
<apeiros> redhands: common behavior for most core bang methods
<apeiros> redhands: don't use uniq! if you want the return value. use uniq instead.
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<redhands> ah thank you
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<Hanmac> redhands: uniq! like most of the ! methods return nil if nothing has changed ... same for upcase!
<apeiros> and gsub!, and tr!
<apeiros> that's what I referred to by "common behavior for most core bang methods"
<redhands> i see
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<redhands> \part
<apeiros> close
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<franzip> is omitting the return statement considered a good practice?
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<tobiasvl> yes
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<tobiasvl> good practice is to omit return unless it's an early return, I think (to make early returns explicit)
<franzip> tobiasvl: thanks
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<franzip> "Avoid return where not required for flow of control." seems pretty straightforward
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<Symbiosisz> tobiasvl: Never seen that document before. Thanks for the link!
<tobiasvl> it's very nice! albeit more unofficial than PEP8.
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<tobago> Hanmac & apeiros_ I thank you very much!!!
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<mosez> can somebody tell me how i get this ruby 1.8 block binding working on >= 1.9? https://gist.github.com/tboerger/a77538ade7d711470ad1 header is a method defined on Dsl::Proposal::Attribute
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<toretore> mosez: where did you getn bind from in the first place?
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<mosez> toretore: it's ruby 1.8 code... it worked that way on 1.8
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<apeiros_> 1.8 didn't have Proc#bind, pretty sure about that. but lets check:
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<apeiros_> >> proc {}.respond_to?(:bind)
<eval-in_> apeiros_ => false (https://eval.in/148064)
<apeiros_> 18>> proc {}.respond_to?(:bind)
<eval-in_> apeiros_ => false (https://eval.in/148065)
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<apeiros_> not a ruby method. but from the context, I'd guess it's rails, so you'd have to check rails sources for Proc#bind
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<mosez> it is a rails app, yes... i'm updating it from 2.3 to 4.1 and ruby 2. and i simply want to bind the methods of the class to the scope of the block :(
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<mosez> i dont want to rewrite all templates that use this "dsl" from = attributes_for @proposal do into = attributes_for @proposal do |foo| :(
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<toretore> so what exactly does/did bind do then?
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<mosez> http://apidock.com/rails/v2.3.8/Proc/bind i think that's the correct method. it puts the bind parameters into the scope of the block
<mosez> within my example: Dsl::Proposal::Attribute defines the method header, and as you can see i can call the method directly within the block
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<toretore> you could just do attribute.instance_eval(&:block)
<Nilium> I'd say this is a lot of work for a hack when you could just write it normally.
<Nilium> Is the faux-DSL thing really that important?
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<timgauthier> apples all like YOU GET 8 HOURS FROM YOUR MACBOOK AIR or 9 hours
<timgauthier> my macbook air needs a new battery, and i definitely don't get that long, after 4 hours of work pluggin in sucks.
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<mosez> nilium: it is important because it's implemented that way in various views on many different repositories -.-
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<Nilium> So fix 'em?
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<timgauthier> shevy why so much ruby... :O!
<timgauthier> Nilium go for it, plenty of things that need it ;)
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<Nilium> I mean the views using the broken hack pseudo-DSL
<Nilium> Make them stop using it
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<mosez> what's broken on it?
<mosez> imho it's not broken... it's quite easy to write and learn von non ruby devs...
<timgauthier> mosez people don't like having more then one way to do something ;)
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<workmad3> timgauthier: I love having more than one way to do things
<timgauthier> me too workmad3 me 2
<mosez> workmad3: so go back to perl :P
<workmad3> timgauthier: gives me a reason to procrastinate while choosing ;)
<timgauthier> hey, you still in #design workmad3 ?
<timgauthier> hahaha
<workmad3> nah, didn't save it to my autojoins
<Nilium> I'm largely opposed to the whole DSL thing 'cause it's a stupid hack that rests on it not actually being a DSL but crapping on Ruby to make it look pretty
<timgauthier> i left after they where dicks :P but turns out that I just don't fit most of the design world lol
<workmad3> mosez: why? ruby is also all about multiple ways of doing stuff and doesn't look like my cat had an epileptic fit on my keyboard ;)
<timgauthier> hahha
<mosez> workmad3: but while you've got 2 options on ruby you've got 10 options on perl :P
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<Nilium> At any rate, it's mostly a matter of opinion. They've evidently got a ruby dev to fix it, so I see no reason to continue to support something that'll break between Ruby versions, Rails versions, etc. when you could just write normal Ruby
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<timgauthier> then lets get working mosez, we need to make 8 more options!
<workmad3> mosez: yeah, in perl you have 1 readable way and then 9 'correct' ways that look like someone was just randomly generating ascii chars > 127 ;)
<timgauthier> is that how we ended up with the crap that is regex?
<mosez> :)
<workmad3> timgauthier: no, regex came first, I believe
<mosez> nilium: and what should you write instead?
<workmad3> timgauthier: and besides, sometimes you don't need more than a regular language to solve your problems
<timgauthier> so they looked at regex and said, MAN I LOVE THIS SYNTAX AND MAKING WEIRD ARBITRARY PATTERN MATCHING! LETS MAKE A LANGUAGE~!!
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<Nilium> By regular expressions you mean the freight train people throw at the mouse they see on the porch, right?
<workmad3> (here, I'm using 'regular' as the classification that applies to regular expressions :) )
<Nilium> mosez: Remember when you wrote `do |foo| … end` and whatnot? Do that.
<workmad3> timgauthier: more like 'hey, I love this weird arcane regular language... lets make it turing complete!!!!'
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<timgauthier> lol
<Nilium> Then, you don't have to use instance_eval or attempt to change a block's binding (completely doable, but a very bad idea) or any other things that make your life worse
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<workmad3> Nilium: how about ' block.arity > 0 ? block.call(self) : instance_eval(&block)'? ;)
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<mosez> nilium: 1) then i've got to refacter ALL components. 2) much more chars to type. 3) unnecessary bloated lines of code :(
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<Nilium> #2 is a side-effect of code and you should get used to it
<Nilium> #3 is .. not really proven to be an issue in your case, actually.
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<Nilium> If anything, #3 might result from you trying to patch in a fake DSL.
<Nilium> #1 is programming in a nutshell.
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<workmad3> mosez: I might have said it to provide more fuel for Nilium's rage, but you could still check the block's arity to allow for a staged refactoring
<Nilium> Shouldn't have depended so much on a version-specific fake DSL if you didn't want to have to refactor stuff.
<workmad3> mosez: so you introduce the ability to pass in the object rather than change the context and then slowly move stuff over
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<Nilium> workmad3: I couldn't figure out the context for your question
<Nilium> It's 4am, my brain's running on far less than vapors at this point
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<workmad3> Nilium: I was giving you a rage-building line of code ;) 'hey, lets check the arity of the block and instance_eval it on the current object if it takes no params!'
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<Nilium> I've probably done that at some point
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<mosez> and version specific fake dsl? i think that's for most block related stuff while switching from ruby 1.8 to something >= 1.9
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<Nilium> mosez: No, trust me, Rails is weird and full of horrors, blocks did not break between 1.8 and 1.9
<workmad3> Nilium: of course, I haven't bothered to look at any logs to see the context of mosez's question :)
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<Nilium> Anyway, it's your call: temporary safety net by hacking in support for an old thing or fixing the real problem (the use of old code)
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<lessless> how to set 'cover' from a variable in the self.cover = CarrierIO.new(filename, imageData) statement?
<dangerousdave> how can i do the inverse of string.include? exclude is not recognised
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<lessless> dynamically I mean
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<lessless> dangerousdave, !string.include?
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<dangerousdave> lessless "syntax error, unexpected tSTRING_BEG, expecting keyword_end"
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<lessless> can you show the code, please?
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<dangerousdave> puts !contents.include? "testing"
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<lessless> >>!"thisistestingstring".include? "testing"
<eval-in_> lessless => false (https://eval.in/148130)
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<lessless> dangerousdave, puts !contents.include?("testing")
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<dangerousdave> lessless, thanks!
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<lessless> np
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<toretore> that's concurrent, not parallel
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<lessless> haha, I'm a ruby guy :)
<toretore> mri ruby code can never run in parallel
<lessless> must admit that
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<shevy> shevy_, I just ran loop { Thread.new { a = 1 } } and I got error Can't create Thread (11) after a while
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<shevy_> shevy don't kill your machine man
<shevy_> shevy what's the (11) there?
<shevy> idk
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<shevy_> what is that awful thing
<shevy_> keys.each_with_object(self.class.new) { |k, hash| hash[k] = self[k] if has_key?(k) }
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<shevy_> man
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<shevy> shevy_ hey I got it to create threads with infinite loops
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<shevy_> ok
<shevy_> put the whole universe into a loop
<shevy> 32 threads now, using 100% of single CPU core
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<shevy> interesting
<shevy> 40 now, same cpu usage
<shevy> seems like Ruby is spawning child processes per thread
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<shevy> shevy_ you there? :D
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<toretore> any thread knowers want to enlighten me on the difference between Thread#run and #wakeup ?
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<shevy> shvelo you ought to do something productive in ruby man!
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<shvelo> documentation doesn't say that Thread.new spawns a new process
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<benzrf> shvelo: it does not
<benzrf> it makes a new thread.
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<shvelo> benzrf, http://imgur.com/c5LaJPA
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<benzrf> shvelo: you sure it's not somehow listing threads o-O
<shvelo> benzrf, idk wait
<Mad_Dud-> guys, is there any specific # for discussion related to CVE-2014-0130?
<benzrf> Mad_Dud-: that's the formalization of ruby specs right
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<benzrf> shvelo: btw i recommend the font inconsolata :-)
<benzrf> oh wait shit
<benzrf> mb :o
<shvelo> benzrf, you're right, it lists threads
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<Mad_Dud-> benzrf: that's the recently disclosed security vulnerability
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<Mad_Dud-> i was wondering if you have #ruby-sec channel or similar
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<Hanmac> Mad_Dud-: thats "NMP" problems ... "NotMyProblem" because its rails #RubyOnRails
<shvelo> btw I got to 115 threads :D
<Mad_Dud-> Hanmac: true, sorry
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<lessless> is to possible to deconstruct hash values into two arguments https://gist.github.com/dirty-hippie/6188e24e9e0e080eae22#file-gistfile1-txt-L2 ?
<Mad_Dud-> #rubyonrails
<Mad_Dud-> found it.
<Mad_Dud-> oh damn. +r
<toretore> lessless: no
<Hanmac> lessless: the function needs keyargs
<toretore> you could make them kwargs
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<shvelo> anyone using libsass?
<toretore> but hash destructuring isn't possible
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<Hanmac> lessless: i tryed this and i found it funny:
<Hanmac> >> def func(va=a,vb=b,a: va,b: vb); [va,vb,a,b]; end; func(1,2)
<eval-in_> Hanmac => [1, 2, 1, 2] (https://eval.in/148143)
<Hanmac> >> def func(va=a,vb=b,a: va,b: vb); [va,vb,a,b]; end; func(a: 1,b: 2)
<eval-in_> Hanmac => undefined local variable or method `a' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/148144)
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<Hanmac> hm :(
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<toretore> >> one, two = (_, three, four = [{one:1, two:2, five:5}, 3, 4])[0].values_at(:one, :two); [one, two]
<eval-in_> toretore => [1, 2] (https://eval.in/148148)
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<yo61> When writing rubygems, is there any canonical/"best" way to include the version in the gem code?
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<toretore> something i've seen done and done myself: have a lib/name/version.rb file, require it in the spec
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<toretore> so you'll have a Name::VERSION constant
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<yo61> Yes, we're considering that
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<yo61> We have a namespace
<yo61> "wh"
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<yo61> So, we are considering using lib/wh/<gem_name>.rb
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<toretore> i'd make that a directory
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<toretore> with lib, bin, etc
<toretore> wait
<toretore> nm
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<cHarNe2> is it possible to give a name or something to a thread? so i can see them in htop and ps?
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<yo61> toretore: yeah, it's already in the gem dir
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<shevy> cHarNe2 don't think so, I believe it is ruby-internal
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<havenwood> cHarNe2: Do you mean processes? New in 2.1: Process.setproctitle('so-name-in-htop!')
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<havenwood> and Process.argv0 is new to get the original title before you renamed it
<havenwood> so-named*
<havenwood> g'morning!
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<Hanmac> havenwood! did you watch DoctorWho?
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<havenwood> Hanmac: no, been a dry spell
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<havenwood> Hanmac: will have to catch up this weekend!
<Hanmac> :(
<Hanmac> you know i cant make the joke until you watched some specific episode ...
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<havenwood> Hanmac: haha, i better get to it!
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<Hanmac> what was your last episode?
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<havenwood> just watched the ooood, so s4e5 by my count
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<mofofofo> can someone help me with a capistrano task?
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<mofofofo> i'm getting an error on line 26 "NoMethodError: undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass"
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<havenwood> mofofofo: where do you initialize @config as a Hash?
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<havenwood> mofofofo: maybe in `def initialize` a `@config = {}`?
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<havenwood> >> @config['database']
<eval-in_> havenwood => undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/148201)
<Hanmac> havenwood: it should be set in the sub classes ... but i dont know why isnt it
<havenwood> Hanmac: i've never used cap, aha
<Hanmac> havenwood: i didnt do it too, but thats that i see n the gist (with the Local & Remote classes)
<havenwood> guess i shouldn't try to help on this one, lol >.>
<havenwood> oh, i didn't read down that far :O
* havenwood chides himself.
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<mofofofo> sorry you guys are kinda going over my head
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<mofofofo> this is from a GIT project https://github.com/sgruhier/capistrano-db-tasks
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<havenwood> hem, i've been using Mina, is there a Capistrano channel?
<ericwood> #capistrano might be a good first try
<havenwood> #cappuccino, close
<mofofofo> yeah, but the channel isn't very active
<havenwood> ericwood: mm, 59 peeps
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<havenwood> ericwood: not terrible unless all idling :O
* ericwood shrugs
<ericwood> just pointing out that it exists
<havenwood> ericwood: nice
<havenwood> aptly named chan
<mofofofo> thanks anyway guys
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<havenwood> mofofofo: if cap is dead might try again here later, people should be waking up and some of em cap users
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<mofofofo> will do, thanks man
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<timgauthier> hey
<cout> hi there
<havenwood> helloo
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<timgauthier> aloha
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<shvelo> aloha timgauthier
<timgauthier> mahalo
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<shvelo> mahalo rewards card?
<timgauthier> nein
<shvelo> nein thousand?
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<timgauthier> über nein tousand!
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<shvelo> :D :D
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<timgauthier> ;)
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<pduersteler> hi all. has anyone tried the silver exam for ruby? I'm curious to try it out for the sake of a "personal goal", but I'm not sure if I have enough experience with writing ruby in my private time for 4 years now..
<havenwood> pduersteler: what's the silver exam?
<_JamieD_> Is it possible to access a variable from the parent class from within a block? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9439f7fd82345a2df51b I want to be able to access additional_attributes from within the block passed to the rule method. Thanks
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<havenwood> pduersteler: "Target version: Ruby 1.8.7" ... nooooooooooo
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<havenwood> pduersteler: i wouldn't pay $150 for 50 multiple choice question on a past end-of-life Ruby
<pduersteler> havenwood: yes, that's the downside of it..
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<havenwood> Though I guess the money goes to Ruby core team?
<timgauthier> the downside is i've never heard of this test or anyone who has written it
<timgauthier> i don't think it is worth doing it as no one asks for the cert nor is it apparently relevant
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<pduersteler> havenwood: however, is there a _real_ big difference in syntax/methods between 1.8.7 and e.g 1.9 or 2.0? I mean, of course there are many optimizations and a few caveats, but I'd say that does not influence such a test very heavy
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<havenwood> pduersteler: 1.8 really does have substantial differences from 1.9+
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<atmosx> pduersteler: I think hash is the biggest, I'm so much to the new syntax...
<atmosx> after 1.8 iirc
<havenwood> pduersteler: and it *really* isn't worth learning them, 1.8 is dead, move on!
<pduersteler> havenwood: yep, it's a test from the assoc itself. timgauthier: valid point. but who generally asks for a certification unless you're in the windows world? No one wanted one from me on either job I had..
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<atmosx> move on
<pduersteler> atmosx: right, the hash syntax...
<atmosx> !
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<atmosx> pduersteler: what? what did you expect? lol
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<atmosx> pduersteler: a new definition for classes?
<pduersteler> atmosx: hm? no. I'd exect to fall for a case for which I'm used to in 1.9 but was different in 1.8, that's it.
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<mofofofo> anyone in here use capistrano to sync up db and file assets between environments?
<pduersteler> (if I got you right)
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<havenwood> pduersteler: Just don't use 1.8, ever, under any circumstance. Then you know all you need to know about it. ;)
<havenwood> pduersteler: time better spent learning 2.1!
<pduersteler> havenwood: I'm more of a "bleeeding edge" person ^^
<havenwood> pduersteler: 2.2.0-dev
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<pduersteler> guess I'll write a mail and ask if they plan an update in the near future, though.
<baweaver> Anyone know of a good way to fake live coding for a presentation?
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<havenwood> baweaver: actually live code and say you're faking it
<baweaver> tempting
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<baweaver> since it's a presentation on Pry it won't be hard.
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<havenwood> baweaver: was gunna say use a text editor that will run your code, write it all out and test it, then 'undo' to the beginning and 'redo' it back out :P
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<pduersteler> baweaver: build up a flash thingy like http://hackertyper.com/, but that would maybe not be integrateable into a presentation. and may be an overkill
<havenwood> baweaver: i've seen good pry live coding in presentations, just practice it through till you iron out the rough stuff
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<havenwood> baweaver: i think most of the live coding issues come from doing it without ample rehearsal
<baweaver> yeah, if I were trying something more complicated I'd be making something to do it
<timgauthier> have a slide notes that shows you what to code
<timgauthier> but actually memeorize typing it
<baweaver> I might still make something to do it for amusement.
<havenwood> and if you get stuck, ask the audience for help - someone sees it!
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<baweaver> I already have all the commands memorized, so non-issue there.
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<baweaver> I just need to go in and put breaks in a program I've already written
<havenwood> baweaver: where you doing pry live coding?
<baweaver> Internal conference
<havenwood> cool
<baweaver> KC
<baweaver> trying to get them to put those out to the public YouTube channel but we'll see
<havenwood> _JamieD_: probably, but not quite sure what you mean from the example
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<baweaver> Still getting this out for other conferences though.
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<hoelzro> jj
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<baweaver> https://github.com/baweaver/ragnoster - Needs some work, but skinning Pry as part of it.
<baweaver> that was about a 30-45 minute hack together for fun.
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<baweaver> odd bugs on it, so I wouldn't use it for any more than testing around quite yet.
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<baweaver> I'll clean up the script a bit more later and probably gemify it as a theme creator.
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<_JamieD_> havenwood: @additional_attributes is an instance variable within the transformer class, it’s not accessible inside the block on the last line of the class, I’m wanting to know if it’s possible to access that varibale somehow
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<jarray52> Is there a simple rule that determines when I can use a newline within a single logical line of code?
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<Fly80> i have a multi array like this: a = [ [1,2],[3,4]] and I want to extract an array from the first or the second element, like [1,3] or [1,4]. Should I use something like first in a each loop or is there a easiest way?
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<Fly80> [1,3] or [2.4]
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<LadyRainicorn> a.map(&:first) or a.map{|e|e[1]}
<canton7> or transpose ;)
<canton7> >> [[1, 2], [3, 4]].transpose
<eval-in_> canton7 => [[1, 3], [2, 4]] (https://eval.in/148225)
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<Fly80> transpose?
<jarray52> transpose won't work if the lists are of different lengths.
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<Fly80> ah ok, so a.map(&:second) should return this array: [2,4]
<Fly80> i'll try, thx for now :)
<jarray52> first is defined
<LadyRainicorn> Do we have .second?
<jarray52> no
<LadyRainicorn> >> [0,1].second
<eval-in_> LadyRainicorn => undefined method `second' for [0, 1]:Array (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/148226)
<Fly80> ah just first, ok
<Fly80> in that case , i will use e[1]
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<jarray52> You can define a function that selects either the first or second based on a criteria.
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<jarray52> Then use... a.map{|e| your_func(e)}
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<Fly80> ok
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<banisterfiend> apeiros ping
<banisterfiend> or anyone here knows about rails presenters?
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<wallerdev> good morningr
<banisterfiend> wallerdev come with me, i want to talk, i've taken a drug that makes me want to talk
<LadyRainicorn> haha
<wallerdev> lol
<LadyRainicorn> Veritaserum?
<wallerdev> i can talk for like 15 mins then i gotta go to standup
<wallerdev> :p
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<banisterfiend> wallerdev cool, where do u work? (i have to do a daily standup thing too)
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<wallerdev> i work in SF :p
<razrunelord> Hey guys, I have 3 flag fields. I need to find all the possible combinations (false, true, false) etc. Is there something in the ruby STDlib I can use?
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<wallerdev> can you be more specific haha
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<wallerdev> you just want a list of every combination of true/false for 3 fields?
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<razrunelord> like this http://imgur.com/WsarQ39
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<centrx> razrunelord, There's not much information. That chart looks like a problem that's asking for which logical operations between Foo and Bar produce Too
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<wallerdev> >> [true, false].repeated_permutation(3).to_a
<razrunelord> centrx: sorry about the confusion. For all intents and purposes, I need a truth table for 3 vars
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<wallerdev> bot is dead
<wallerdev> rip in pieces
<razrunelord> wallerdev: like a baws
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<wallerdev> yeah i always have to look up the methods for combinations/permutations, never remember what does what lol
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<banisterfiend> wallerdev i meant the company :)
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<havenwood> do you dread the daily as much as i do? :P
<wallerdev> my standup is usually like 5 mins haha
<havenwood> it's never actually bad, i just dread it for no reason
<wallerdev> im just glad its not early
<havenwood> every time, "oh, that wasn't so bad"
<wallerdev> i can pm you where i work banisterfiend haha
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<banisterfiend> wallerdev sure
<banisterfiend> havenwood i dread it too
<banisterfiend> havenwood i have to put on my american smile
<havenwood> ha
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<Cork> man i feel silly for asking this, but i can't figure it out
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<Cork> i have a script that i pass arguments to, and in the program i later ask for user input with gets
<Cork> how do i get it to not try to use the argument as a file path?
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<banisterfiend> Cork $stdin.gets
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<Cork> thx
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<Cork> wow, good thing i asked, wouldn't ever have figured that one out
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<ju57in> hey jinco
<Jnco> hi
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<proliberate> Hey! So I'm making a clean transition from windows to linux. I was wondering, is there a best practice for where to put my one-off scripts?
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<proliberate> Basic shell tools, that kinda thing
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<wallerdev> if its just a one-off i wouldnt even save the file
<wallerdev> lol
<proliberate> I mean, scripts I will write once, never look at again, and never distribute
<wallerdev> i dont think theres any conventions
<wallerdev> i create a Projects folder in my home directory
<wallerdev> and then do like Projects/Ruby/app-name/code files here
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<wallerdev> or Project/Scripts/something.sh
<wallerdev> s
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<proliberate> Alright. So in my setup on windows, I had a folder, /Users/Me/Documents/custombatchcommands/. This contained a number of .bat, .py, and .rb files, and ./custombatchcommands/ was included in the path. So, for example, I had ghost.bat with a single line, `@ping 8.8.4.4 -n 1` (without backticks)
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<proliberate> So that, in any command prompt, I could just `ghost` to see whether I were online, without typing out a full ping
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<wallerdev> sure
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<wallerdev> you can add things to your path on linux too
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<proliberate> thanks wallerdev!
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<rOOb> hello everyone. Anyone have any ideas why this is happening? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/892985c8d63c62054514
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<rOOb> gem is unable to install anything claiming it cannot reach the network....but the server it is trying to reach *is* reachable
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<wallerdev> rOOb: probably has to do with being on windows :(
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<rOOb> wallerdev I'm brand new to using ruby/gems. Do you really think that is the case or just taking a jab at me using windows? ;)
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<wallerdev> haha a little of both
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<wallerdev> ruby on windows isn't the best experience
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<wallerdev> maybe try updating your version of rubygems
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<rOOb> wallerdev Ah ok.
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<wallerdev> installed fine for me when i tried
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<wallerdev> google says its probably a proxy issue
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<rOOb> wallerdev Like: gem update --system ?
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<rOOb> (Though I'm weary that will work since its using gem) lol
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<wallerdev> yeah you can do gem update --system
<rOOb> lol that also fails
<rOOb> :<
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<wallerdev> are you behind a proxy
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<rOOb> I'm not. Just a normal home network.
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<rOOb> My laptop runs win8 and connects to my isp's provided router. No fancy networking stuff going on.
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<wallerdev> rOOb: maybe try downloading the latest rubygems manually http://rubygems.org/pages/download
<wallerdev> you could also try seeing if ruby can access the internet in like irb
<fuzzyfuzz> ~
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<rOOb> wallerdev Hmm. ANy idea how I could check inet access via irb?
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<wallerdev> yeah just open irb
<wallerdev> and run something like
<wallerdev> require 'open-uri'; open('http://www.google.com').read
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<rOOb> Weird. Ok. So it looks like ruby cannot access the internet at all
* rOOb facepalms
<rOOb> I think its a fw issue
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<dblessing> has anyone used spinach to test a command line app?
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<dblessing> i use thor to build the app. someone suggested spinach but it seems like it might be overkill since the "steps" for a cli are pretty singular - one step yields one result?
<b00l> Hey, I'm haing some trouble installing ruby via ruby-installer on OSX Mavericks... https://gist.github.com/anonymous/17467604a16b79f62beb
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<wallerdev> mavericks comes with ruby installed
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<b00l> wallerdev: Yeah, but not the latest and compiled by Apple?
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<wallerdev> anyway its probably a clang issue haha
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<s2013> can someone explain to me in basic language the diff b/w private and protected
<wallerdev> gcc is symlinked to clang on mavericks
<s2013> i read bunch of stuff but still confused
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<wallerdev> s2013: private means only that class can access the data, protected means that class and any derived classes can access it
<s2013> wallerdev, are you sure?
<s2013> i thought children classes can access private methods of parent class
<wallerdev> no they cant
<banisterfiend> s2013 subclasses can
<s2013> arent subclasses children basically or am i missing something
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<b00l> wallerdev: So do you have any idea aobut the problem?
<wallerdev> b00l: probably need to compile with gcc
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<b00l> wallerdev: Alright, I'll try that. Thanks
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<Marf_> anybody know rb_vm_top_self() function is working?
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<b00l> wallerdev: Same error specifing compiler to gcc
<wallerdev> did you install gcc?
<b00l> It's something with readline...
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<b00l> Yeah, brew install gcc48
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<b00l> so, it's something wrong with readline or ruby-installer...
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<wallerdev> did you try installing readline
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<wallerdev> or compiling with --no-readline maybe, dont remember the config options haha
<wallerdev> although youll want readline for irb
<b00l> sure, installed uninstalled, tried with different versions...
<b00l> Yeah, I figure
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<b00l> jhass: Yeah, thanks
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<whomp> is macruby/rubymotion that much faster than yarv?
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<banisterfiend> whomp is the good more or less equivalent to the beautiful
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<whomp> banisterfiend, it's easy to answer if objc is faster than ruby though: 99% of the time, objc is much faster. so if macruby is near objc, it's an easy answer
<b00l> jhass: Sorry but how can I apply that patch?
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<b00l> jhass: Yeah, but should I edit the file or how can I apply it?
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<jhass> that line is a command. Like for to run in your shell
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<b00l> yeah, I tried that though
<jhass> great, since you have no error message it must have worked!
<b00l> Yeah I did get cant open file error
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<jhass> did you notice the command contains a variable
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<jhass> which you don't have since you're not in that build environment
<b00l> ah, missed that
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<havenwood> whomp: i'm not sure your assumptions regarding obj-c versus yarv are correct
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<havenwood> whomp: yes, macruby is quite similar speed, using objc-c classes - but yarv isn't slow
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<b00l> jhass: Still no luck
<havenwood> whomp: a bit dated benchmarks (and micro-benchmarks, heh) but: http://etehtsea.me/the-great-ruby-shootout
<b00l> jhass: patch -Np1 -i /usr/local/Cellar/readline/6.3.3/include/readline/readline.h/0001-Fix-undeclared-identifier-error-by-using-the-actual-.patch
<whomp> havenwood, i didn't call yarv slow. however, these benchmarks agree with the general consensus that compiled, lower level languages like c++ are generally way faster: http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=gpp&lang2=yarv&data=u32
<havenwood> while current versions of ruby, jruby and rbx are faster yet, maglev and macruby don't seem to be under vary active development
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<whomp> havenwood, macruby is developed under rubymotion, but it costs you money to use
<jhass> b00l: uhm, I'm pretty sure /usr/local/Cellar/readline/6.3.3/include/readline/readline.h is not a directory. Try to understand what the command does instead of blindly executing it. Run man path
<jhass> er, man patch
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<b00l> yeah, thanks
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<havenwood> whomp: sure dynamic languages tend to be slower in general, but arguably due to implementation not necessity, as *vary* fast ruby implementations like jruby-9k-graal and topaz.
<havenwood> show*
<havenwood> very&
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<whomp> havenwood, i've always suspected that you can make a much faster version of ruby. for example, i don't understand JIT compilers... why can't the whole program be compiled, instead of such stingy compilation?
<havenwood> whomp: checkout the red/black tree algo benchmark: http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/09/jruby-9k
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<havenwood> pure ruby on graal faster than c-ext
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<RubyPanther> whomp: Ruby is already written in a compiled language
<canton7> whomp, JIT compilation can be faster than ahead-of-time compilation, as the jitter can make optimizations which an ahead-of-time compiler can't
<havenwood> whomp: yarv compiles to bytecode
<RubyPanther> it is like claiming that applications are slower than libraries, it makes no sense
<havenwood> whomp: but sure
<havenwood> whomp: alex gaynor from topaz has some good talks on why dynamic languages may tend to be slow but don't have to be
<havenwood> whomp: i think he talked some on that point in a ruby rogues episode: http://rubyrogues.com/096-rr-topaz-with-alex-gaynor/
<whomp> havenwood, awesome i'll check it out
<RubyPanther> The fact that Ruby is written in C tells you right there, there is a whole additional layer of abstraction that makes it appear that there is another language; to the programmer there is another language, "Ruby." But to the computer it is not so; Ruby is just a C app that reads in "source" that is really like... dynamic macros. Like there are pre-compiler macros, Ruby is post-compiler macros
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<havenwood> whomp: and i believe there are plans to implement a ton of langs on Truffle/GraalVM, like ruby, python, javascript, etc - which could bring in a new era of untraditionally fast interpreted langs
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<whomp> havenwood, exciting :)
<whomp> now if i can just find some good numerical computing libs in ruby, my life is complete haha
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<RubyPanther> The things that move Ruby closer to the hardware would be like RiteVM in mRuby, which was going to be the base of Ruby 2 before YARV got there first. With RiteVM you have bytecode that knows about CPU registers. So it is not just C macros.
<RubyPanther> You can actually write RiteVM bytecode directly, like a form of ASM
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<whomp> RubyPanther, where's good to learn about how the innards of ruby work?
<RubyPanther> whomp: write a few C extensions, that is probably the best way to get started :) from there I'm not sure what the best 2.x docs are
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<whomp> RubyPanther, sounds good :)
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<RubyPanther> if a Ruby app is slow... port more of its gem requirements to native extensions :)
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<RubyPanther> Ruby is slow in practice because of Ruby ideology; focusing on the human programmer and making it easy for them means they are ignoring a lot of deeper details, and probably writing slow code. The good thing is that if they're using good OOP, you can follow behind and refactor where it matters
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<centrx> Ruby isn't slower than other interpreted languages anymore
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<centrx> e.g. Python
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<whomp> R is still probably faster for its use case
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<whomp> for example, it lets you do multiple ops on an array before running any of them, so it can do them in batch
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<RubyPanther> if R isn't super-awesome in its very limited niche, it would be a total failure :)
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<pothibo> Last time I checked, ruby was still the slowest of em all
<pothibo> not by a huge margin however
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<RubyPanther> Right, there used to be a large margin :)\
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<RubyPanther> we used to be benchmark-neighbors with Tcl
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<pothibo> yup, I believe we'll completly catch up in like 5 years
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<pothibo> anyway Python 3 is still not widely adopted...
<havenwood> already have caught up
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<havenwood> on the alioth.debian benchmarks looks like ruby is pretty much ahead except for several particularly slow implementations for the microbench
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<havenwood> if we get to use implementations nobody uses, then jruby-9k or topaz blow the dynamic scripted competition away ;P
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<havenwood> fastest. language. ever.
<havenwood> >.>
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<havenwood> hack is fast, lets use php
<havenwood> i guess they're calling hack hack though, not php
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<b00l> jhass: Thanks, works fine just now!
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<n_blownapart> for those of you who've been following the saga : https://gist.github.com/varreli/a737cbdb95f6c9ad6726
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<centrx> Solution was to delete half the code?
<centrx> *comment out
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<n_blownapart> centrx: to get line 7 to work ! thanks for looking
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<n_blownapart> I changed the iteration to 2.times . I still don't see why now line 7 can be [1] instead of [-1]
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<n_blownapart> because line 4 allows a maximum array.length of 2
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<n_blownapart> centrx: merely trying to understand the program flow and that one point regarding the indices.
<havenwood> >> rocks = Array.new(2) { rand(1..200) }; rocks.max
<eval-in_> havenwood => 133 (https://eval.in/148315)
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: i like creating rocks with an Array block
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<n_blownapart> havenwood: I need English here . apologies
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<n_blownapart> with the full code (rocks = 20.times.map {rand(200) + 1} ) [1] throws an error.
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: i was just suggesting `Array.new(2) { rand(1..200) }` as an alternative to `2.times.map{rand(200) + 1}`
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<n_blownapart> cool
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<n_blownapart> in either case I understand the randomizer part
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: #rand can take a range, so `rand(1..3)` will return a `1`, `2`, or `3`
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: `Array.new(2)` creates an Array with two elements: Array.new(2) #=> [nil, nil]
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<n_blownapart> got it.
<havenwood> n_blownapart: Array.new optionally takes a block to set the default value of its elements
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<n_blownapart> got it
<havenwood> n_blownapart: Array.new(2) { :omgwtfbbq } #=> [:omgwtfbbq, :omgwtfbbq]
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: k
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<n_blownapart> my question is about the index [-1]
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<n_blownapart> I approached the program assuming [1] would also work originally so I changed it and surprisingly it didn't work
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<n_blownapart> Though it works as I pasted it now. havenwood
<havenwood> n_blownapart: i guess i don't understand what didn't work?
<havenwood> the previous revision of the gist?
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<havenwood> no, that's nothing
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<n_blownapart> one sec. what's nothing?
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<razrunelord> is it a good practice to pass data in a local variable from one method to another?
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: the previous revision of that gist
<n_blownapart> havenwood: this is the initial program . it is a tutorial about pros and cons of recursion https://gist.github.com/varreli/2e58733778876e8e294c
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<n_blownapart> yeah that will work with [-1] on line 8 but not [1]
<havenwood> n_blownapart: a one element array
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<n_blownapart> so something is going on I don't understand. the placemarker [1] should function the same as [-1] on an array that is only 2 elements long max. Wait so an array cannot hold one element only?
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<gigo1980> hi all, i am not an ruby developer. but i use a software in ruby. in the manage it writes that i have to use bundle update. if i do this i get the following error
<gigo1980> You cannot specify the same gem twice with different version requirements.
<gigo1980> You specified: rake (~> 10.1.1) and rake (>= 0)
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: it can hold one element, but: [:a][-1] != [:a][1]
<n_blownapart> line 4 would be true if rocks = [122, 156]. So how would those two elements allocate to a and b?
<havenwood> gigo1980: Gist your Gemfile?
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<n_blownapart> it would be arbitrary whether 122 went to a or b, correct havenwood?
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<n_blownapart> If a one-element array came in , 168, the two pointers would be pointing to [0] value and [-1] value. but if it's just one element, line 16 , the comparison line would fail havenwood no?
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<Mars`> How can you install a gem from a private repository using bundler?
<Mars`> is that not possible?
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<pothibo> Mars` it is, you need to add the credential in the URL... not recommended tho
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<dukedave> Is there a gem which one use ActiveRecord style query chaining, on regular Ruby objects?
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<pothibo> Mars` actually, I have never tried it, but maybe you can configure ssh_config to pass your private key when accessing that repo
<havenwood> n_blownapart: consider this:
<havenwood> >> rocks_arr = [1, 2, 3]; rocks_arr.slice!(0, rocks_arr.length / 2)
<eval-in_> havenwood => [1] (https://eval.in/148320)
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: [1][1] #=> nil
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: [1][-1] #=> 1
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<n_blownapart> i.e. I don't see how line 16 functions if it's a one element array, but it does. 'rocks = 1.times.map { rand(200) + 1 } havenwood if you have time, many thanks
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<n_blownapart> sorry missed your last 3 lines
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<Mars`> pothibo: haha. I guess I'm not going to us a private repo then. :P
<havenwood> n_blownapart: so lets assume the array has been whittled down to a three element array: rocks_arr = [1, 2, 3]
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<n_blownapart> havenwood: ok
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: on line 12 you call #rock_judger on: rocks_arr.slice!(0,rocks_arr.length/2)
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<n_blownapart> got it havenwood
<havenwood> n_blownapart: which returns: [1]
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<n_blownapart> ok
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: so the second element of that array is nil
<havenwood> n_blownapart: [1][1] #=> nil
<pothibo> Mars` just looked, it works if you configure ssh_config on your server
<havenwood> n_blownapart: and it fails
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<n_blownapart> oh shit havenwood
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<n_blownapart> the base case can be implemented , theorectically in this program .... or not havenwood
<n_blownapart> ?
<n_blownapart> *reached
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: no, it is reached, just with a one element array potentially
<havenwood> n_blownapart: so you have to not explode if you get a one element array
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: comes down to: 3 / 2 #=> 1
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<n_blownapart> but a and b are pointing to the same array, at different indices. if [0] and [-1] are equivilent, wouldn't the comparison line throw an error ?
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<havenwood> >> a = b = 0; a > b ? a : b
<eval-in_> havenwood => 0 (https://eval.in/148322)
<havenwood> n_blownapart: 0 > 0 #=> false
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<n_blownapart> havenwood: ok havenwood frankly I'm confused but if I go through your input I think I'll see it. many thanks.
<havenwood> n_blownapart: 3.fdiv(2).ceil #=> 2
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<havenwood> n_blownapart: g'luck!
<n_blownapart> thanks havenwood !
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<markveidemanis> Hi
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<havenwood> markveidemanis: hey
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<markveidemanis> http://pastie.org/9157037
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<markveidemanis> Theres an error with end statements
<markveidemanis> -mtmt- Failed to load plugin: /home/markveidemanis/workspace/nanobot/plugins/tell.rb:124: syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting keyword_end
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<kodnin> Hi, as I'm learning Vim I'm experimenting with regular expressions. I'm setting up a regex for changing double quoted strings to single quotes strings in Ruby. Can someone give me some pointers, thank you!
<davidcelis> @markveidemanis: It looks like your `if` statement in the main method needs an `end` after it. Lines 97 and 99
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<markveidemanis> oh, thanks
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<havenwood> markveidemanis: you're not closing a number of blocks with an `end`, but hard to see with all the empty lines and weird indentation
<havenwood> markveidemanis: two-space soft-tabs without copious blank lines will make ending blocks easy
<havenwood> or at least much easier :P
<markveidemanis> There are no blank lines, just pastie interprets \r and \n as linebreaks, windows, adding \r\n causes a space
<havenwood> markveidemanis: then don't use pastie!
<havenwood> markveidemanis: or do use unix line endings!
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<havenwood> markveidemanis: Gist with unix line endings ftw. And two-space soft tabs!
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<havenwood> markveidemanis: An editor that gracefully handles indentation for you makes life better.
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<havenwood> Maybe Atom will be the editor we'll be recommending for Windows soon :O
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<havenwood> Sublime is nice but spendy.
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<havenwood> markveidemanis: a lot of Rubyists pretty strictly adhere to conventions regarding the look of the code, but it ends up really mattering for readability and finding errors
<havenwood> we've got to take what we can get!
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<xybre> On Windows I use Putty to SSH into a Linux box and use Vim.
<xybre> I used to use Komodo and Cream, but everything jsut feels really clunky. Putty is a surprisingly good terminal though.
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<havenwood> xybre: setting up someone's system the other day i noticed the win git bin came with a term with ssh
<havenwood> git package**
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<havenwood> xybre: but i set them up with Vagrant anyways, but i do kinda cringe at having people learn unix/vim just to *start* ruby :O
<xybre> Yeah, makes sense, since git works over ssh.
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<havenwood> whaddaya do..
<havenwood> i couldn't even get pry installed on the Rails Installer for Win, and that was as far as I was willing to try >.>
<xybre> I'd sit them down with Sublime3 or Textmate2 probably.
<havenwood> no TM2 on win, no:
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<havenwood> xybre: yeah, Sublime works as expected for a gui user ;)
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<atmosx> aloha dear rubyists
<xybre> Really? I thought they ported it.
<havenwood> aloha
<atmosx> I've been lst in the world of MTAs and imap-servers but I think I'm about to finnish my setup
<havenwood> xybre: that'd be awesome! i hope so..
<atmosx> talking about guis, I'm considering switching from Mail.app back to mutt
<xybre> Hmm. Well, Sublime then yeah.
<atmosx> becuase it can't handle the load, vim > sublime, textmate, atom, whatever ... just stick-with-it!
<havenwood> atmosx: i think it is theoretically possible to port but i don't think anyone has done it
<xybre> I'm using Airmail on OSX.
<atmosx> xybre: oh nah, if I switch I'm going back to mutt and I'm done with email
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<xybre> I don't blame you really.
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<atmosx> does anyone use github's atom editor, I wonder.
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<atmosx> must be extremely good for JS but TM2 is too. And espresso is even better
<xybre> I have it installed
<atmosx> xybre: me too, I have something like 8 editors installed
<xybre> But I haven't had time to play with it.
<atmosx> and I use vim lol
<xybre> Yeah me too haha
<atmosx> not even macvim, just vim
<atmosx> hahaahaha wtf, it's a disease
<xybre> Yep, vim in tmux for me.
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<atmosx> yeah exactly, I use tmuxinator to launchd the rack-server and the autotest :-P
<atmosx> autotest is slw, should configure sporck (or sprock) and drb do at some point
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<xybre> Nice, I have tmuxinator but I change my main daily about how I want to do something.
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<atmosx> hahaha cool
<xybre> I have Atmon, Brackets, LightPaper, LightTable, Mou, Notebooks, Sublime3, TextMate2, and Texts. Not all of those are for code mind you.
<xybre> Atom^
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<ericwood> Microsoft Word^
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<xybre> No.
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<atmosx> word is a mistake
<benzrf> vim is best
<benzrf> always vim
<benzrf> maybe emacs
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<benzrf> not not vim or emacs
<slash_nick> ed
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<slash_nick> i wonder how many folks are proficient coding with ed
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<atmosx> xybre: I have iAwriter, oomWriter, Mou, Textwrangler (this one is extremely useful), TM2, Atom, Chocolat, Espresso (html/jss but not erb/haml), Light-something ... xCode of course.
<benzrf> >not vim_shim
<benzrf> *vim
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<havenwood> Textmate2, SublimeText2, LightTable, Atom, MacVim, TextEdit, xCode
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<xybre> Oh man, is TextWrangler still a thing? I used that for a while years ago. Also something like Bedit? I forget the name. I've seen Espresso but I don't do much html right now so I didn't install it.
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<fuzzyfuzz> Smultron
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<atmosx> havenwood: you use textedit for coding?
<atmosx> Kate was nice on KDE
<atmosx> I liked the feel and syntax (the 2 times I've used it)
<atmosx> slash_nick: the only one I've seen using ed is Linus Torvalds and I don't know if it was becuase of a quick edit or it's his default seriously. I think his on emacs or something
<atmosx> that's why always bashes emacs
<havenwood> atmosx: no, nor xcode :P
<havenwood> atmosx: just a text editor on the machine
<xybre> There's also Coda, I've never met anyone who used it though.
<havenwood> gui one*
<havenwood> xybre: i've used it, not for ruby
<havenwood> xybre: really a designer's editor
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<xybre> I mean, I've tried it out, but never compelled to keep it.
<havenwood> ditto
<xybre> Hmm, maybe thats why
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<atmosx> espresso is for designers too
<atmosx> but not for rails designers... or ruby designers... doesn't support haml/erb/less/slim wtf is wrong with them
<xybre> slim ftw
* slash_nick hugs haml
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<xybre> I really liked haml, but after using slim, haml just doesn't feel as nice anymore. I won't complain though, at least its not html by hand!
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<ericwood> haml ended up being more verbose than HTML
<ericwood> I don't like the attribute syntax
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<omosoj> what do you guys think of the book 'everyday scripting with ruby'?
<csmrfx> hm, sounds... old
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<csmrfx> I think I've read it like 5 years ago
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<csmrfx> hm, maybe I'm just too tired, better go rest
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<omosoj> any other suggestions? i think i have the basics down.
<csmrfx> get the matsumoto flanagan ruby book
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<omosoj> k, thanks.
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<apeiros> ericwood: you can use plain html attribute syntax with haml
<ericwood> apeiros: hmmm
<apeiros> ericwood: foo(a="val" b="val")
<ericwood> well shit
<ericwood> the docs didn't say that when I was looking
* ericwood shrugs
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<ericwood> I do love me some SASS tho
<ericwood> pry that shit from my cold dead hands
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<apeiros> http://haml.info/docs/yardoc/file.REFERENCE.html#attributes <- scroll down to html style attributes
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<ericwood> don't do work on my behalf!
<ericwood> >:|
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<_2_Kyra> :Dhi
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<_2_Kyra> anyone there
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<_2_Kyra> some one talk to me
<_2_Kyra> :'(:'(
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<centrx> !hi
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<centrx> hi
<_2_Kyra> hi
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<_2_Kyra> what u doing
<centrx> I am polishing my rubies
<_2_Kyra> lol
<_2_Kyra> how old are u
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<atmosx> 14
<_2_Kyra> oh hi
<DouweM> lol
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<_2_Kyra> sooooooo
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<_2_Kyra> I'm bored
<_2_Kyra> :'(
<DouweM> okay
<centrx> We can tell
<_2_Kyra> lol
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<_2_Kyra> who else is bored
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<DouweM> bye
<centrx> Good luck with the rest of your life
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<_2_Kyra> hi:D
<DouweM> jesus
<atmosx> christ?
<_2_Kyra> what?
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<DouweM> who?
<havenwood> this, us
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<DouweM> hello
<_2_Kyra> lllllllllooooooollllllllll
<_2_Kyra> :D
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<_2_Kyra> everyone here is a idiot except me
<DouweM> clearly
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<_2_Kyra> you are barstard
<_2_Kyra> a bitch
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<_2_Kyra> add hole
<_2_Kyra> ass hole
<DouweM> aww, you started off so nice. what has become of you?!
<havenwood> well, that escalated quickly
<_2_Kyra> oh sorry that was my brother
<centrx> We were so hopeful for your success at Ruby
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<DouweM> unanimously
<DouweM> justice!
<apeiros> just ice!
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<jenrzzz> ice ice baby
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<shevy> baby baby on ice
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<razrunelord> Anyone know what color scheme this is? http://imgur.com/aZi9C5k
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<centrx> black
<shevy> green
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<mozzarella> pink
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<Tricon> razrunelord: That's sexy. Did you figure it out?
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<razrunelord> Tricon: Nope, no one seems to know
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<shevy> lol
<Tricon> razrunelord: Well that's a damn shame.
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<wallerdev> just copy the colors
<wallerdev> is it that hard
<wallerdev> lol
<xybre> Color pick the base colors and search for them.
<xybre> That'll only give you a couple of colors though, not the full scheme.
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<Tricon> I think the bigger issue is having to tweak it for all of the possible tokens.
<wallerdev> well who knows if you like the whole scheme since you cant even see it
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<Tricon> wallerdev: Good point.
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<razrunelord> I found the colorscheme here http://flowhub.io
<razrunelord> Even tweeted those guys about it, no response >.<
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<atmosx> and as numerous of projects I didn't understand what flowhub.io ultimately does
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<Tricon> atmosx: Same.
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<drizz> looks like it's just an interface to projects, issues, etc.
<Tricon> Re: Color schemes, I've been married to my custom version of Monokai for years; but it may be time to play with others just for fun.
<drizz> Tricon: jellybeans.
<Tricon> drizz: Looks nice. I'm also nostalgic for MagicWB (an Amiga theme).
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<terrellt> Still like the railscasts theme.
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<centrx> Wait, does bundler auto-load every gem?
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<workmad3> centrx: no
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<centrx> hmm, must be something with Rails
<workmad3> centrx: by default, bundler just sets up the load path so only your bundled gems are on it, then gets out the way... but it does also include 'bundler/require' and 'bundler/setup' that do require all gems named explicitly in the Gemfile
<workmad3> centrx: yes, rails uses bundler/setup (just at the top of config/application.rb)
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<centrx> workmad3, ah there it is
<centrx> Thanks workmad3
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<workmad3> mmm... something like that anyway...
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<banisterfiend> workmad3 waddup
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<workmad3> banisterfiend: just heading to bed
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<banisterfiend> workmad3 nn :)
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<reactormonk> I got an array of ranges, e.g. [0..73, 77..176, 179..403, 406..530, 533..646, 649..965, 968..1155, 1158..1290, 1293..1544]
<reactormonk> how do I ask which range e.g. 200..300 is in? (answer: 2 here)
<reactormonk> ... right, .include?
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<terrellt> reactormonk: arr.find{|x| x.include?(20)}
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<j416> >> [0..73, 77..176, 179..403, 406..530, 533..646, 649..965, 968..1155, 1158..1290, 1293..1544].find_index { |r| r.include?(20) }
<eval-in_> j416 => 0 (https://eval.in/148419)
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<j416> hm range in range it was
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<Tricon> I love my life. Think about it: Many of us make a living by pressing buttons and being geniuses. That's something to be thankful for.
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<j416> >> range = 200..300; [0..73, 77..176, 179..403, 406..530, 533..646, 649..965, 968..1155, 1158..1290, 1293..1544].find_index { |r| r.include?(range.first) && r.include?(range.last) }
<eval-in_> j416 => 2 (https://eval.in/148423)
<j416> reactormonk: ^
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<reactormonk> j416, Range actually defines include?
<j416> reactormonk: is that a question?
<reactormonk> j416, #include?
<havenwood> >> class Range; def span? range; self.cover?(range.min) && self.cover?(range.max) end end; [0..73, 77..176, 179..403, 406..530, 533..646, 649..965, 968..1155, 1158..1290, 1293..1544].find { |range| range.span? 200..300 }
<eval-in_> havenwood => 179..403 (https://eval.in/148430)
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<j416> havenwood: he wanted 2
<j416> ..
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<havenwood> j416: ah, we came up with similar, aye
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<terrellt> Wait, it doesn't work with ranges?
<terrellt> >> (1..20).include?(2..30)
<eval-in_> terrellt => false (https://eval.in/148431)
<terrellt> >> (1..20).include?(2..10)
<eval-in_> terrellt => false (https://eval.in/148432)
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<terrellt> >> (1..20).cover?(2..10)
<eval-in_> terrellt => false (https://eval.in/148433)
<terrellt> Huh.
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<terrellt> Unexpected.
<j416> reactormonk: keep in mind off-by-one (range ends)
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<j416> now, time for bed o/
* j416 zzZ
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<havenwood> good habit to use #cover? when it works and only #include? when it doesn't ithink
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<havenwood> terrellt: [*1..10, 2..10].include? 2..10 #=>
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<havenwood> terrellt: it's literally looking for that Range
<havenwood> 1 isn't 2..10, 2 isn't 2..10 etc
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<terrellt> Right
<terrellt> Makes sense I suppose
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<havenwood> terrellt: having a #span? method would make sense too!
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<havenwood> terrellt: for #include? at least, you actually need to be able to do the current behavior
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<havenwood> hem, could #cover? take a Range theoretically? any reason blocking?
<terrellt> There should at least be a way to pass multiple arguments.
<havenwood> terrellt: same with `require` :O
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<havenwood> etc etc
<havenwood> requires >.>
<reactormonk> hm, I'm iterating over an array of hashes and sometimes there's only one element in the hash and ruby splits it up...
<reactormonk> ah nope, it always converts it to an array
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<terrellt> >> {}.to_a
<eval-in_> terrellt => [] (https://eval.in/148438)
<terrellt> >> {:bla => "Yo"}.to_a
<eval-in_> terrellt => [[:bla, "Yo"]] (https://eval.in/148439)
<terrellt> ^ This is why
<terrellt> Enumerable will use to_a.
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<havenwood> >> {:bla => "Yo"}.flatten
<eval-in_> havenwood => [:bla, "Yo"] (https://eval.in/148440)
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<terrellt> Well, more precisely a hash's #each yields an array consisting of the key and value.
<terrellt> Which Enumerable uses.
<terrellt> But yeah, that'll happen sometimes.
<havenwood> >> Hash[{:bla => "Yo"}.flatten.each_slice(2).to_h.to_a]
<eval-in_> havenwood => {:bla=>"Yo"} (https://eval.in/148443)
<terrellt> Lol
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<havenwood> :P
<terrellt> Hash[{:bla => "Yo"}.flatten]
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<terrellt> >> Hash[{:bla => "Yo"}.flatten]
<eval-in_> terrellt => /tmp/execpad-b56c4e31ecea/source-b56c4e31ecea:2: warning: wrong element type Symbol at 0 (expected array) ... (https://eval.in/148445)
<havenwood> terrellt: you can Hash[] from the #to_a
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