<northfurr>
Anyone know what I need to do to fix this?
<northfurr>
Gem::LoadError: You have already activated rake 10.3.1, but your Gemfile requires rake 0.9.2.2. Prepending `bundle exec` to your command may solve this.
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<jhass>
northfurr: read the output (and follow it)
<northfurr>
i decided to uninstall 10.3.1 rake, fixed the issue
<northfurr>
new to coding/ruby sorry if that was a dumb question
<jhass>
well, reading helps, it tells you what to do
<shevy>
"jump out of the window"
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<centrx>
"stab yourself with a knife ->"
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<shevy>
"combine both actions"
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<Connie>
what's a good way to start learning ruby?
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<shevy>
Connie you must write simple ruby scripts
<popl>
Connie: Point your web browser to that first URL in the topic.
<shevy>
checklist for things to learn: how to create a file, how to create a dir, how to create a symlink, how to remove any of these; how to write module and a class; how to call a ruby script with arguments; how to load require or include other packages
<shevy>
how and when to use arrays, hashes, and strings; understanding what a block is, how yield works, how enumerators work and why they are important in ruby
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<Connie>
thanks shevy and popl
<shevy>
\o/ the more you write, the better you'll become
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<Connie>
i have so many tabs open, my computer is going to explode any minute now
<benzrf>
hey
<benzrf>
anybody want to join my favorite offtopic irc channel's movie nite
<benzrf>
were watching classic nic cage movies
<shevy>
Connie start with the chris pine tutorial
<shevy>
+ irb
<benzrf>
right now con air
<shevy>
or if you are into crazy stuff, you can do the poignant guide
<RubyPanther>
Connie: I recently closed a browser window with 2000+ tabs
<shevy>
benzrf is that guy even still alive
<benzrf>
yes
<RubyPanther>
benzrf: not unless you're streaming The Seven Samurai
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<benzrf>
RubyPanther: we're right now streaming con air
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<zkay11>
if I've written a script that consumes an api by filtering output from the api that matches certain criteria, is there a way to continue on past that happening? Right now it's counting the objects like I want, but it doesn't continue past that (because the flow never stops)
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<vim_shim>
RubyPanther: Woah! You gotta use Onetab! Tabs Outliner is another good one too. If you find yourself bookmarking everything in a given window for later research, these extensions are totally right up your alley.
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<RubyPanther>
if I bookmarked it, why would I have the tab open?
<Connie>
maybe you should be bookmarking more :P
<vim_shim>
You're keeping the tab open because you want to look at it later right? I find that I'll have clusters of google search results that I've filtered down and want to return to later, but my focus shifted on to something else.
<vim_shim>
I've been dying for the concept of something like search sessions for a while, and these extensions fill that need quite nicely.
<vim_shim>
If you have over 100 tabs in a window, there's just no effective way to cognitively manage all of those open threads in your head. They're hard to traverse and weigh down on you mentally if you build up enough of them. The solution to this anti-pattern? Cluster groups of related open tabs together in an easy to traverse interface.
<RubyPanther>
Because if in practice I was going back to use them, then I wouldn't have them open still. So any effort at organizing the collection would be wasted.
<RubyPanther>
If I was constantly going back and clearing them out, then I would benefit from organization
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<vim_shim>
My browsing workflow looks like this: I do a search, open the first 5-10 links, scroll through the tabs with the wheel of my mouse on the top bar, and ctrl-w anything that looks like crap. Modify search terms to get closer to your solution. When you get a good cluster, send all tabs to the right of the search to OneTab.
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<vim_shim>
Then you can go to the OneTab tab, and sort and filter them at will, or reload the whole cluster back into a window again.
<vim_shim>
I'll do 4 or five of these on things that are going through my head and go through the filtered content at my leisure later.
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<vim_shim>
Vertical list of tabs with titles showing is better than 100+ nubs at the top of your window that are unidentifiable.
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<vim_shim>
It's like looking something up by a hash key vs position in an array.
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<Connie>
tab outliner looks nice
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<vim_shim>
These are really great for sharing research too, because you can get a cluster of tabs together and just send the list to someone so they can follow your train of discovery.
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<presentationprob>
*** hey guys, having no programming background, i decided i was going to learn rails to make a presentation/showcase site linking to the beautiful Web. im guessing wordpress could do this, but to do something amazing, i thought this was a better decision long-term. i wanted to know what was the best ruby/rail reuse code site to make this far less painful. thanks.
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<mordof>
so I'd like to examine a string (HTML markup in this case - investigating different ways to implement a parser) - is there currently something in Ruby where i could do something like "grab everything until [insert potential character/string matches] then return what was captured"?
<holmser>
I have been pulling my hair out for the last 2 hours trying to figure out what is wrong with the URI I am trying to build
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<holmser>
When I parse a hostname like “http://www.google.com” everything works perfectly, but when I feed it something like “www.google.com” it fails, even though I thought I had accounted for the scheme field of the URI
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<zylophone>
hi, i'm a total ruby newbie, trying to set up thin, and thin is complaining that it's wanting to use a development database, but i've migrated the database for the app to production. how do i tell thin to use the production env too?
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<mordof>
heh.. only people active are with questions :/
<RubyPanther>
zylophone: I remember thin, that was popular in 2006 I think. Most people are using "passenger" now.
<mordof>
ah good
<RubyPanther>
mordof: there are lots of HTML parsers like hpricot (old but my fav) or nokogiri
<presentationprob>
*** hey guys, having no programming background, i decided i was going to learn rails to make a presentation/showcase site linking to the beautiful Web. im guessing wordpress could do this, but to do something amazing, i thought this was a better decision long-term. i wanted to know what was the best ruby/rail reuse code site to make this far less painful. thanks.
<zylophone>
RubyPanther: i'm trying to get redmine working on nginx and didn't have much luck with passenger
<zylophone>
presentationprob: learn html, then css. that's all you need
<zylophone>
oh, and a splattering of javascript
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<RubyPanther>
presentationprob: Unless you're going to spend a year learning programming before you even touch a web site, you're better off with wordpress
<mordof>
RubyPanther: this is for learning purposes
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<zylophone>
RubyPanther: why are people choosing passenger over thin
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<RubyPanther>
mordof: you can do it the old school way, or use a regex
<RubyPanther>
zylophone: thin is based on mongrel, which was better than the other things at the time, but also still sucked
<mordof>
RubyPanther: .match does that, doesn't it?
<RubyPanther>
passenger is a properly written, generic rack server
<zylophone>
ahh ok
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<RubyPanther>
mordof: you can give a regex directly to [] or using match, etc. You should read the docs for the String class, there a bunch of different ways to invoke it
<zylophone>
pita to get working for nginx
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<mordof>
RubyPanther: indeed - i've read through it. I just wasn't sure if there was a different method call that would be more suitable
<RubyPanther>
I dunno, I heard nginx was super easy, but I was always (still) using apache
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<presentationprob>
zylophone RubyPanther that's not all i need, if you can do something more amazing with rails, then im going all the way, and it doesnt take a year www.theodinproject.com
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<presentationprob>
or it shouldnt....
<RubyPanther>
presentationprob: You're right, it takes a lot more time than a year. A year assumes you've got a natural aptitude, a high IQ, and are a focused self-learner.
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<RubyPanther>
For just putting web sites together and customizing them, you can do that with wordpress with a lot less learning.
<shevy>
back on slackware
<presentationprob>
you're able to learn in way less than a year from many different sources rubypanther
<shevy>
simplicity really works
<RubyPanther>
And online resources for wordpress will be forgiving to a non-programmer. Rails resources are going to expect a lot of outside knowledge.
<presentationprob>
RubyPanther im willing to go all teh way if you can do something more amazing with rails
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<shevy>
presentationprob the railsers are on #rubyonrails
<presentationprob>
RubyPanther doing something meh with wordpress isnt worth it to me you get it, im on a long-term mission
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<presentationprob>
k ill ask them shevy couldnt find the rails one
<mordof>
presentationprob: rails is a framework for websites/web apps developed based on ruby. it'll help you work into ruby later, yes.. which is different focus
<shevy>
presentationprob they are more likely to know how good rails is, people here on #ruby tend to focus more on the ruby language itself
<shevy>
stuff like
<mordof>
presentationprob: but *any* amount of effective programming/website development will take more than a couple years to really become effective at
<shevy>
object.any?
<shevy>
object.find
<shevy>
object.select
<shevy>
\o/
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<shevy>
presentationprob listen to mordof, he is new to ruby
<shevy>
his first project was a big fail though
<mordof>
rofl, shut up - it was not
<mordof>
you're just a hater
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<shevy>
you admitted to that not long ago man!
<mordof>
i did not
<mordof>
shevy: it's fully functioning
<shevy>
you said there was a lot of unknown stuff about html parsing in official documents
<shevy>
you did not know!
<mordof>
i'm just looking for clearner ways to implement it
<mordof>
shevy: primarily because i develop with standards and don't write crap html
<shevy>
yeah see presentationprob
<shevy>
now he is looking for *cleaner* ways ...
<presentationprob>
failing is good, you learn, like i said on #web im not trying to take the easy way out (no, wait i was) but i realised it won't be worth -- to me, bernardic.ca/2012/07/08/rails-vs-wordpress/ "If you are in it for the long haul and want to progress with the web, go with a more progressive language" quora.com/Should-I-learn-PHP-or-Ruby
<shevy>
php
<shevy>
once you know ruby you don't want to learn php
<shevy>
there is a lot more do-it-yourself attitude in ruby though
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<shevy>
which means more time investment
<mordof>
php is best described as a hammer - having both sides the edge to take out nails. you *can* put nails in with it, but it's never fun / simple
<mordof>
ruby / rails is a lot nicer
<shevy>
ok someone hammer mordof please
<shevy>
hammering stuff gets simple!
<mordof>
:/
<shevy>
everything looks like a nail
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<shevy>
ok who mentioned hammer
<mordof>
presentationprob: that's why i'm currently making something that everyone is like "noo just use something to help you with it, or do something else" - learning, doing it multiple ways
<shevy>
yeah don't worry about his first two projects presentationprob
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<shevy>
his third project will be cool
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<shevy>
the first thing I wrote in ruby was an IRC bot
<mordof>
-.-;;;
<shevy>
it even worked!
<shevy>
but I broke it some years ago and couldn't motivate myself to fix it since :(
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<shevy>
I failed to write a bot in PHP
<mordof>
shevy: yeah but i've already written a couple of those in other languages. it's not something i learn concepts in if i just re-implement *again*
* mordof
has also written one in PHP
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<shevy>
mordof did yours work?
<mordof>
yes
<shevy>
damn it
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<mordof>
is there a way to do String#each_char with index?
<mordof>
or should i maintain my own index..
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<presentationprob>
rubypanther shevy one article im making on the unborn site is something like 100hrs For Excellence Is Worth More than 1 hr For Meh, then ill never have to explain myself to anyone again, and can just link the page =) dont like repeating inefficiently the same thing :/
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<RubyPanther>
presentationprob: If you want your site to be really excellent, I recommend investing the time to learn about English capitalization and punctuation.
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<RubyPanther>
You don't want to spend all that time getting your awesome ideas onto the web, only to discover that your presentation is meh, and you readers think they're visiting geocities.
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<zylophone>
mhh, i'm getting a rewrite or internal redirection while internally redirectiong to "/.html.html......." using passenger
<presentationprob>
RubyPanther cute
<mordof>
presentationprob: also - I'd change the 1 hr to something closer to 20 hrs... a 1hr to 100hr contrast is far too drastic for comparing anything realistic
<zylophone>
i can access specific pages inside the public dir, so i know it's targetting the right dir at least!
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<zylophone>
presentationprob: sorry you didn't get the advice you wanted. you study ruby. yeah! you'll still have to learn html/css/javascript to make web apps. so, have fun!
<presentationprob>
rubypanther & it's not my ideas it's the ideas of the best in our society, as they trickle down the class structure
<zylophone>
i'm guessing presentationprob is a troll of sorts
<zylophone>
no proper nick, sticking to one 'problem' etc
<mordof>
zylophone: well.. he's new - to pretty much everything
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<RubyPanther>
If you start from scratch and aren't a programmer and you spend 1 hr with wordpress, or 100 hrs with rails, you'll already be able to make a complete site using wordpress, but you'll still be a fish out of water with rails, and have no idea how to do much of anything other than edit the views
<zylophone>
mordof: like most trolls playing dumb
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<zylophone>
mordof: if he was new, he wouldn't be on irc ;)
<presentationprob>
zylophone mordof ur responses is unexcepted for what i said, interesting....
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<zylophone>
see, i'm interesting to him.. he's trying to suck me into "debating" with him
<mordof>
zylophone: that depends on how he ended up on irc to begin with.
<presentationprob>
shevy will save me though cos i have no idea how you guys interpreted what i said, hmm... anyway.
<zylophone>
face it. troll is troll
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<shevy>
I will save you but I am idling
<zylophone>
shoudln't someone call 999/911 if they need saving
<mordof>
zylophone: probable.. yeah. i'm no good at identifying trolls, heh
<RubyPanther>
That sounds right, we have no idea how to interpret what shevy said, either.
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<presentationprob>
what i said was "one article im making on the unborn site is something like 100hrs For Excellence Is Worth More than 1 hr For Meh, then ill never have to explain myself to anyone again, and can just link the page =) dont like repeating inefficiently the same thing :/" -- that shouldnt have caused this reaction but i dont know you guys so w/e
<zylophone>
"don't like repeating..."
<mordof>
woo irony :3
<shevy>
man
<RubyPanther>
It takes like 10,000 hours before you can write code to blow your nose. You can use wordpress right out of the box.
<zylophone>
attention-seeking troll is the same as a blatent flamer
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<shevy>
can't you write your own sentences presentationprob, do you have to copy paste
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<zylophone>
/ignore presentationprob
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<zylophone>
"prob" solved :)
<zylophone>
RubyPanther: yeah, it's the same in any language or, anything
<zylophone>
90% sweat etc
<presentationprob>
zylophone r u serious? just because i said i dont like repeating you give me this reaction??....
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<zylophone>
mordof: how many 'newbies' do you know even know what irc is?
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<zylophone>
and i wouldn't exactly recommend to many newbies that they get onto irc to ask questions ;)
<mordof>
zylophone: i know people who used irc for regular chat, or anime dcc's, or they read articles that instructed them to jump onto irc - when they had no programming knowledge
<zylophone>
geh. damn hipsters
<mordof>
zylophone: and i generally do make that recommendation. with the warning that the first times they ask they're going to get yelled at until they figure out how to ask properly, lol
<presentationprob>
weird.................. "<RubyPanther> That sounds right, we have no idea how to interpret what shevy said, either." then shevy went against me for no real reason, all i have to say to you four is how lame this was if you looked over the talk
<presentationprob>
i said one honest thing and you kids blew up on me
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<shevy>
presentationprob man see
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<shevy>
presentationprob if we talk, we in general use few words
<shevy>
not 1000 lines repeats
<shevy>
there is no new content there, no discussion
<zylophone>
ok, i'm hitting the ignore button..... now!
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<RubyPanther>
shevy is all about new content. That explains the \slackware.
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<shevy>
DO NOT IGNORE ME!!!
<shevy>
hey hey hey
<shevy>
slackware works
<shevy>
that's more than like many other distributions out there
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<zylophone>
shevy: not you ;)
<mordof>
presentationprob: if you *actually* have an interest in learning this stuff, pick up a tutorial and start at it. if you get stuck, we're here for questions. the more you just give responses, the more you just look like you're trolling (and if that just keeps up, you'll be blocked by all of us soon enough)
<RubyPanther>
my first linux was slackware 3, I got a CD with a linux magazine.
<shevy>
omg not this again
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<shevy>
dinosaur stories
<mordof>
lol
<zylophone>
it isn't a presentation prob, he's probably wanted to start a wordpress v ruby arg, hence he had the link to an article ready
<mordof>
zylophone: ah, good point
<shevy>
presentationprob you should be ashamed of using wordpress man
<zylophone>
just please, no matter how many times you tell him, he won't accept it
<RubyPanther>
then I wanted a new version, it only took 3 days to download over a modem
<zylophone>
when i was a kid there were no modems
<zylophone>
damn kids
<shevy>
why is it always that RubyPanther brings in the VERY OLD stories
<zylophone>
gah, that's nothing
<zylophone>
my first os was whatever the zx81 uses
<shevy>
you dont even remember the name
* mordof
once downloaded a 6GB game over dialup - took a little over a month
<shevy>
now that must be old :)
<RubyPanther>
I know people who make money installing and customizing wordpress, they'd be ashamed but they're too busy being happy about the money they're making. And when they need something custom, they just hire a programmer as a subcontractor.
<zylophone>
shevy: it didn't have one
<zylophone>
wordpress is awesome
<presentationprob>
mordof block me then my ip changes it's not my fault you guys are such kids and i would pass on the help anyway, better resources to get help than here given the immense you ppl give when i said one honest thing
<zylophone>
great ui, easy to dive into and just plain awesome
<zylophone>
what it does, it does well
<presentationprob>
you guys are alos inaccuate in some things you said so i clarified on a few points -- i read enough even if i dont program right now
<zylophone>
no, very well
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<mordof>
zylophone: especially the php 4.3 codebase :3 lol
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<RubyPanther>
ZX81! my first home computer was a Timex/Sinclair 1000, which was a ZX81
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<RubyPanther>
BASIC ROM, no disk, 2K
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<RubyPanther>
You think you can write a 2K program, but 2K is for both the source buffer, and also the program memory. So, useless.
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<zylophone>
RubyPanther: did you have that funky 16k upgrade pack?
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<RubyPanther>
no
<RubyPanther>
It was useless, I wrote my code on lined paper instead, and waited to type it in at school on the Apple ][
<RubyPanther>
For graphics you just use graph paper to draw it, and then write a list of pixels and colors on an attached sheet
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<mordof>
that sounds so painful :/
<RubyPanther>
It saves a lot of time for writing the POKE commands if you have the pixels listed out by color in advance
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<pontiki>
but so much fun when you have no idea what it could be like
<mordof>
"Back when i was a kid, we programming using stones and etched what we wanted into rocks"
<pontiki>
now you're just making fun of me
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<mordof>
I've just never experienced that before
<mordof>
it's hard to imagine
<RubyPanther>
etching stone requires advanced chemistry, most kids have to carve their stones with stones
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<mordof>
understandable, but still
<mordof>
pssh
<mordof>
RubyPanther: thanks for that, lol
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<RubyPanther>
before I learned BASIC, I learned LOGO. We didn't have lines of code, we just had a REPL and a turtle
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<RubyPanther>
And if your turtle gets eaten by a dinosaur, then you don't get to play Oregon Trail during recess
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<zylophone>
whooo! it works!
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<mordof>
zylophone: ?
<zylophone>
ahh, graph paper... i remember it well
<zylophone>
i loved logo. so gutted that our school never had a turtle
<pontiki>
was that last bit true, RubyPanther ?
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<RubyPanther>
okay, pontiki caught me, we didn't actually have dinosaurs
<zylophone>
mordof: gitlab and redmine playing nicely together on nginx
<mordof>
ohh cool
<zylophone>
so, time to reward myself with food
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<zylophone>
then i try to replicate it all on arm :(
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<nahtnam>
Anyone know the best place to get a ruby certification (the best place to take the test?)
<zylophone>
night hipsters :p
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<pontiki>
i haven't heard of a certification in this channel either
<pontiki>
night, zylo
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<RubyPanther>
but in 8th grade we 10 _____ M E G A B Y T E _____ hard drive. It was "networked" which meant that it plugged into up to 4 computers with a parallel port, and there was a switch on the back for which computer could talk to it. And before you used it, you had to flip a switch in the front, and wait 10 minutes[sic] until it warmed up [sic] and the light turned on.
<RubyPanther>
we [had a]
<pontiki>
ooo, that was advanced!
<mordof>
o.o
<mordof>
.... my first computer had windows 95 on it >.>
<RubyPanther>
yeah, that was most of the annual computer budget
* mordof
was 10 at the time
<pontiki>
first 10Mbyte hard drive I had attached to my HP 110 computer (z80 thing running CP/M)
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* mordof
feels so young >.<;
<RubyPanther>
I switched to *nix when popular applications started requiring "real" Win95 and no longer worked with Win3.11+32s extensions
<presentationprob>
i 100% do not go on any site and troll for no reason, im a workaholic and very serious and have lots of goals and important stuff on my mind, i know what happened and you guys were kids (and dont like ppl being honest or disagreeing with you) so im leaving.
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<RubyPanther>
We were all kids once. Except eval-in_
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<RubyPanther>
I'm glad he left, workaholics can't learn to program... they would never have the time
<pontiki>
hey hey
<pontiki>
Balmer Peak
<pontiki>
you give those workaholics enough alcohol...
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<pontiki>
what the heck is prsprob's problem?
<RubyPanther>
Balmer never needed to code, either, Bill and Paul were there for that
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<pontiki>
s'truth
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<Hit[LE]r>
Guys does anyone have experience with Oauth gem
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<gener1c>
what is the best protocol for transferring ALOT of little files between 2 servers
<jhass>
I'd say tar | scp | tar or rsync
<gener1c>
taw isnt a network protocol :\
<apeiros>
PCP, pigeon carrier protocol
<apeiros>
excels in low latency situations
<gener1c>
hehehe apeiros good one :P
<gener1c>
thats best for huge files not little ones
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<apeiros>
gener1c: you don't parallelize enough!
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<apeiros>
aaah, damit, I forgot that I broke my migration code :-S
<apeiros>
f'ing enum types with their special needs…
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<AntelopeSalad>
gener1c: how about git?
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<bwwrd>
hey folks ..
<bwwrd>
I'm trying to find a way to round UPwards to the nearest number divisible by n
<bwwrd>
and find the distance
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<bwwrd>
for example; say i want to find the distance to the next number divisible by 5..
<bwwrd>
current number is 2
<bwwrd>
the distance is 3
<apeiros>
bwwrd: so what have you tried?
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<bwwrd>
i'm stuck for ideas, i've been playing around with modulo, and Integer::round, but I can't see a way to do it without some ugly procedural mess
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<apeiros>
please show me at least one approach of your own, no matter whether it works
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<bwwrd>
ok..hold on
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<apeiros>
gist.github.com is a good place to share :)
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<shevy>
hello world!
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<matti>
Hi shevy
<shevy>
hey matti you old horse
<matti>
;S
<matti>
Don't remind me.
<matti>
And don't put me down either yet
<matti>
;]
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<shevy>
haha
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<shevy>
hmm I thought having empty CFLAGS is good
<shevy>
but then some program suddenly screams that it won't compile unless optimizations were set
<shevy>
:\
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<Chosen>
yo. what are the advantages of ruby?
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<Chosen>
over other languages?
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<Chosen>
lets say ruby vs lisp+slime? why would we desire ruby?
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<Squarepy>
it is rubyliscious
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<Chosen>
are there any interactive environments for ruby? Can you compile, load, and test a function without building the entire project? Can you get auto-complete like visual studio or slime?
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<shevy>
Chosen readable source code
<shevy>
(if(you(can(say'the same about lisp then you have good eyes
<Chosen>
i like c# and lisp because you get real intellisense with microsoft VS or ac-slime. lisp 1 ups c# by having the dev environemnt live while you are programming, but C# is still nice despite that fact due to the quality Visual Studio taht understands code despite it not being "live".
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<shevy>
are you talking about a programming language or an IDE
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<Chosen>
both. REally the entire dev experience with language + environemnt for developing.
<shevy>
aha ok, well then ruby isn't for ya, the IDEs suck
<Chosen>
becuase modern langauges are not just about the lanugage itself. ABout the productivity.
<shevy>
yeah yeah and you require an IDE ;)
<Chosen>
high levle languaes point is for ease and productivity. The tools are a different thing but for the same goal.
<shevy>
kk so languages that won't require an IDE are wrong
<Chosen>
Yes I do. But does ruby have an IDE? doesnt' ahve to be an "IDE". IT could just be an interactive living environment like lisp with SLIME.
<shevy>
ruby just laughs about IDEs
<shevy>
you can try to get closer to an interactive environment via irb and pry
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<shevy>
given that you can change just about any aspect of ruby at runtime, this is pretty close to "interactive living environment". objects can be located through ObjectSpace, their id's and semi-introspection like .source_location
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<Chosen>
i guess i don't need ruby to have an "IDE". But an interactive living environemtn that can be modified in real time as you develop would be nice. Like with SLIME
<Chosen>
hmmmm
<AntelopeSalad>
RubyMine is probably the best "ide" for ruby
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<Chosen>
shevy. Lets set you make a new function. Can this function be applied to a living running program as you are developing? OR must there be a separate "run entire program now" to test the new function.
<shevy>
Chosen well, you can modify objects at runtime freely; with Readline, you have tab completion for all methods on objects
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<shevy>
yes, as written above, you modify an object and can use it right after you did so
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<Chosen>
oh sweet
<gordon_>
hello can anyone recommend me what ruby manager should I use? I mean rvm, rbenv or chruby ?
<Chosen>
lets say you have a runnign program. Can you add a new function and apply it to the live running instance?
<shevy>
didn't you just ask that before ;)
<Chosen>
yes, but just want to be sure.
<shevy>
hehehe
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<Chosen>
cuz there is a subtle difference in adding functions to a live environemtn and adding them to a "dead" environemnt of text files then running the program separately.
<shevy>
if you with instance mean an instance of a class, e.g. an object, yes. class Cat; end; cat = Cat.new; def cat.meow; puts 'MEOW!!!'; end; cat.meow()
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<shevy>
I thought I implied that when writing at runtime! :P
<shevy>
there are no compile-cycles in ruby though
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<shevy>
just the ruby parser looking for silly things you may have done
<shevy>
like
<shevy>
0 / 0
<Chosen>
ok. looks like ruby could work for me then. If i get into it I will make a SLIME for ruby.
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<Chosen>
i dont' think ruby has any tool as good as SLIME so I will make one assuming the langauge has the properties required for a SLIME like environment.
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<shevy>
eh that all sounds known, you should check out pry http://pryrepl.org/ I am sure they have implemented a few ideas, look at the screencasts
<Chosen>
shevy. I doubt they coudl ahve. Ruby is not a parse tree so it is very unlikely they can match teh parsing of SLIME against a lisp.
<Mon_Ouie>
e.g. you have to re-evaluate the whole class definition to add a new method typically
<Chosen>
parsing ruby woudl be a big task. Maybe I can't implement slime for it. For lisp they had it easy sicne ti's already parsed via the parentheses.
<AntelopeSalad>
i don't think you can ever have flawless code complete with ruby due to some of its language features
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<AntelopeSalad>
how would you auto complete a method that a class creates at runtime?
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<Chosen>
you couldn't.
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<shevy>
AntelopeSalad you could re-evaluate everything before you try to invoke a method in a VM
<Mon_Ouie>
ruby-mode in Emacs (originally written by Matz as it happens) has functions that allow you to move through a "sexp" (it treats def foo(bar); …; end as a sexp)
<Rainicorn>
AntelopeSalad: introspection
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<Mon_Ouie>
Rainicorn: But that's only if the code that create the method has already been run
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<Rainicorn>
Yes.
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<Chosen>
you could comple it with a quick keyboard shortcut
<AntelopeSalad>
i'm guessing doing that is a difficult task?
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<Mon_Ouie>
You wouldn't want to run all of the code automatically, e.g. if the application does modification to the file system
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<Chosen>
do you all use emacs for your ruby dev?
<Mon_Ouie>
I do
<Chosen>
yay!
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<Chosen>
are emacs modes the state of the art for ruby dev? Or are dedicated programs the state of the art?
<Chosen>
(Or vim modes)
<gordon_>
ok my error was due to login-shell
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<Mon_Ouie>
I really don't know, I tend to do stuff in Emacs simply because it's more convenient for me. I'm sure there are things that I haven't bothered with though.
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<ashp>
Any experienced parslet users here? I'm having a hell of a time and everything I do seems to make my parsing attempt worse :(
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<Chosen>
i do the same thing. Emacs for everythign i can. Only exception is when I need visual drag and drop for things like Microsoft GUI apps.
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<Chosen>
drag n drop layouts!!! emacs for the text stuff
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<Nowaker>
init=/usr/bin/emacs, huh? ;)
<Chosen>
don't know parslet but what are yout ryign to parse. I might be able to parse it for you
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<Chosen>
i can parse *anything*
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<Chosen>
i can parse on a train.
<Chosen>
i can parse on a plane.
<shevy>
can you parse self?
<Chosen>
si
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<shevy>
well
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<shevy>
you can't parse *everything*
<shevy>
you can't parse a parser parsing self for instance
<Chosen>
actually you can with a macro.
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<ashp>
Chosen: I'm trying to use it to parse iptables-save
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<ashp>
I've spent like.. 6 hours screwing around with this and I'm trying a new approach that works even worse
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<ashp>
(originally I was doing an .each_line and parsing each in turn, now I'm trying to parse the entire file at once so I can have sections bigger than a single line
<Chosen>
i dont' know what iptables-save is. I'm actually not a ruby person. but....
<ashp>
iptables-save is just the output from iptables on linux
<Kls>
gives an example of aligning assignments, but im not comprehending how to apply this sort of thing to indentation thst preserves relative indentation.
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<Jnco>
Hey all, my friend Ju57in and I had a question, working with a form, and we are knocking our heads
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<centrx>
Jnco, Ask your question.
<Jnco>
:)
<ju57in>
Hey all, Jnco and I are fighting with a stripe form and either getting an overlapping coupon or undefined method. Here is the view for the settings http://pastebin.com/uEwtZn9z
<apeiros>
It's a trap!
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<apeiros>
you'll be sent to #rubyonrails immediately after asking!
<apeiros>
ju57in: so params[:company] is not set (returns nil)
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<apeiros>
note: use gist. besides being far less annoying, you can also paste multiple files in one gist.
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<ju57in>
If we have the form correctly closed, it throws an error. if the form is not closed stripe works and also the coupons, but it accepts any submit from the page and triggers the coupon
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<ju57in>
apeiros: will do that.
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<apeiros>
since you use erb and not something like haml - check the resulting DOM
<apeiros>
the erb is impenetrable and hard to see where you mess up tags
<shevy>
is there a way to update a gem without having to use the commandline?
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<ju57in>
apeiros: so it's the tags that are throwing the error?
<apeiros>
ju57in: no, it's your controller which is raising the error.
<apeiros>
ju57in: and it raises it because - as I already said - params[:company] is not set (returns nil)
<apeiros>
ju57in: and now you have to figure out why :company is not in your params.
<apeiros>
besides, your controller has far too much logic in it
<Jnco>
we are weeding out a rats nest
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<shevy>
haha
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* apeiros
hands Jnco a flamethrower
<ju57in>
a big rats nest
<apeiros>
kill it. with fire. good luck.
<ju57in>
big as cats.
<shevy>
down with those furry stinkers
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<Jnco>
I wonder where to set params:[company]
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<Jnco>
you have to understand we outsourced a lot of this development now we are doing our best to learn and also dev at the same time , justin is a lot better then me, heh
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<Jnco>
we are still searching around in teh dark
<Jnco>
is this like defining company
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<Jnco>
Justin is saying it is set but not passing through when the form is closed
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<Mars`>
Is there a standard chef solo cookbook for an nginx/unicorn/postgress rails app?
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<AntelopeSalad>
Mars`: i was unable to ever find a working version to throw up a typical rails stack, there's a lot of hacky/half way solutions to get you some part of the way tho
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<AntelopeSalad>
but dealing with process management (like restart/reloading unicorn) and all of the rails specific deployment stuff will have to be hand rolled or offloaded to other tools
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<rkazak_>
sorry for the off topic, but how do I identify myself - trying to join a room has asked me to do so?
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<toretore>
/msg nickserv help
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<Ainieco>
hello
<Edelwin>
hi
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<Ainieco>
suppose i have some attribute which is contructed by combining integers using bitwise or like foo = A | B, how to check if foo was constructed using A?
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<shevy>
eh?
<Ainieco>
shevy: A = 1; B = 2; foo = A | B; define such predicate which will tell if foo is using A.
<Ainieco>
shevy: is more clear now?
<shevy>
not really
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<Ainieco>
shevy: what exactly is not clear?
<shevy>
in your example you use numbers
<Ainieco>
yes.
<Ainieco>
"|" is bitwise operator
<shevy>
everything about it; if you want to check if fo is equal to A, foo == A
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<Ainieco>
shevy: are familiar with bitwise operations?
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<_bart>
Hmm I think the new 'expect' syntax (vs should) in RSpec is a good idea in theory, but I feel it also add a lot of syntax clutter, expect(...).to just reads a little harder than just .should
<benzrf>
turns out. that doesnt return them necessarily in the same order as the array
<benzrf>
just all the same things
<benzrf>
-.-
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<_bart>
benzrf: yeah the order is not the order of the array, been there before too
<canton7>
that'll be an SQL thing I suspect, rather than sequel?
<pontiki>
that's SQL for you
<_bart>
yea that's an SQL thing
<popl>
you can order it
<pontiki>
without an order by clause, record order is undefined
<popl>
it's trivial
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<Ainieco>
_bart: def expect_to(foo) expect(foo).to end
<benzrf>
yeh, but the actual order is not alphabetical or anythin
<benzrf>
it's just the order of the arrubin
<benzrf>
*arr
<_bart>
Ainieco, haha people will hate me if I start using that everywhere
<Ainieco>
or even def a(foo) expect(foo).to end # Even less "syntax clutter" :)
<popl>
benzrf: the order is undefined until you define it :P
<_bart>
I'll just stick with the best practices
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<Ainieco>
yeah, it's not much to sacrifice but i'm really happy that there is no more dirty monkey patching required for "should"
<_bart>
Ainieco: good call though, that's what I meant
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<benzrf>
popl: tbp the order i want out is the order of the keys i put in
<benzrf>
how i do
<_bart>
Ainieco: yea agreed! that's what I meant with 'good in theory'
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<skylite>
anybody uses a mac who has no problems with gem installs?
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<benzrf>
i have no problems with gem installs
<skylite>
I even have a shellscript now that cleans up the sudo gem install after ruby so I can use the gems
<benzrf>
but i dont use a mac cuz im not a hack
<benzrf>
;)
<_bart>
sudo, ew
<jhass>
benzrf: no property to sort by in the data at all?
<skylite>
I have to use sudo cuz I cant write the /bin with regular user
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<benzrf>
jhass: the property is the input array
<skylite>
so for example I cant install compass without sudo
<benzrf>
:-P
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<jhass>
benzrf: _in the data_
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<_bart>
skylite: but is that really necessary? You can also use rvm gemsets for example
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<benzrf>
jhass: the input array is from an array column in another table
<benzrf>
jhass: it's a user-created order
<_bart>
that way you can manage your gems more easily maybe, and have them just at regular user permissions
<benzrf>
well, by user i mean predefined by the person im making this for
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<skylite>
_bart: can i get the versions and all I want with that?
<jhass>
benzrf: I guess the easiest thing would be something like order = ids.each_with_index.to_a.to_h; .sort_by {|e| order[e.id] }
<jhass>
benzrf: postgres?
<_bart>
skylite: yea, I probably wouldn't use it remotely on a production server though, but I would on my dev machine
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<_bart>
skylite: because you can also use one gemset per project, and avoid having a gazillion versions of a single gem and messing up and having to do bundle exec and all that
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<skylite>
_bart: and works everything without sudo, ?
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<benzrf>
jhass: y
<benzrf>
jhass: lame.
<benzrf>
ok i will do that :I
<_bart>
skylite: yes well, that depends on how you set it up, but by default it's with user permissions I think
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<jhass>
benzrf: I guess you could join the table, dump the array, join with the result add the rank and then use that to order the result
* benzrf
's head spins
<jhass>
I'd stick with the application level solution
<benzrf>
sorry i do not sql good
<skylite>
_bart: sounds good I'll check it out thx
<_bart>
skylite: I usually install RVM without root, then install Ruby with rvm install ... and then start with the gems and stuff
<_bart>
skylite: if you've never used RVM before I recommend you first look into how it allows you to use multiply versions of ruby before diving into gemsets, but it's all fairly easy
<skylite>
_bart: and if I start using it now, will it be a conflict problem with all my gems I have now?
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<skylite>
_bart: I'll defo check everything
<_bart>
skylite: do you have to keep those? If you have a Gef
<_bart>
Gemfile* you can just use that later to get all your gems again
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<_bart>
Anyway, good luck, I have to go, rvm is really popular though, so probably a lot of people in this channel will know what to do :)
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<skylite>
_bart: I see . I have a gemfile so good point . thx
<rkazak_>
I though rbenv was flavor of the month !
<rkazak_>
:
<rkazak_>
:)
<havenwood>
rkazak_: ruby-install/chruby
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<rkazak_>
:)
<rkazak_>
to many choices.
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<shevy>
rkazak_ use the source man
<skylite>
what about bundler?
<shevy>
bundler is the behemoth
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<shevy>
it's huge
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<skylite>
damn
<pontiki>
bundler isn't that big
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<pontiki>
the gemset that ends up getting installed is
<jhass>
benzrf: something like SELECT * FROM things JOIN (SELECT user_id, row_number() AS order_by, unnest(array) AS id FROM foo WHERE user_id = 123) order_thing USING (id) ORDER BY order_thing.order_by ASC; -- probably won't work in that state but should show the idea
<rkazak_>
don’t people think we are movng away from the ‘simple’ beginning…. do we need all these layers which try to help make things simple. Would better understanding be a better approch?
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<snkcld>
does anyone else have the problem where pressing up on their keyboard shows the reverse search prompt?
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<snkcld>
instead of showing the last executed command
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<rkazak_>
snkcld: in term ?
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<snkcld>
rkazak_: in pry yea
<snkcld>
zsh works fine so i dont think its a key mapping problem
<rkazak_>
snkcld: what’s pry ?
<snkcld>
zsh shows the last command, but pry shows reverse i-search
<rkazak_>
that’s an emacs mapping…
<rkazak_>
maybe something has remapped that key
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<rkazak_>
ok so it’s an irb replacement
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<shevy>
rkazak_ you need to keep the history in mind; there was a time when ruby did not have gem nor bundler
<shevy>
I still don't know why matz never thought of something like gems
<rkazak_>
he left it for the rest of us!
<shevy>
hehe
<rkazak_>
seriously he’s more focused on the core language.. :)
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<shevy>
:(
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<zkay11>
Can anyone tell me why the top gist works, but the second does not? The second file runs, but no calculation is returned: https://gist.github.com/zkay/116ba3bcc749e5bddb8e . Just a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.