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<KA-EL-MAN>
Got trolled by some dudes at the bar. They poured a bunch of salt into my coffee. Once I started drinking, I heard them snickering. I stared at them the whole time. Downing my coffee as I just stared. They weren't laughing after that. So in other news, I burnt my tongue on boiling hot salty coffee trying to look like a badass.
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<zenspider>
hahahaha
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<zenspider>
actually, adding salt to (bad) coffee is one way to make it more drinkable
<zenspider>
but perhaps not gulpable
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<KA-EL-MAN>
:D
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<zenspider>
it really does work. it's odd, but it counters the bitter flavor in over-oxidized coffee
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<zenspider>
god damn I'm tired of PM spam from this room
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<KA-EL-MAN>
will try to sample a bit of my coffee with salt next time, see how it goes
<KA-EL-MAN>
do we have an artificial anti-spam intelligence? mmm? :D
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<godd2>
ka-el-man that's what apeiros is for
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<mostlybadfly>
has anyone used exercism? just submitted my first response, it seems pretty neat
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<pontiki>
not personally, mostlybadfly, but i think it's a great site
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<zenspider>
mostlybadfly: I do exercism periodically
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<mostlybadfly>
ah cool, hopefully I'll keep up on it, the first one was fun
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<zenspider>
I should actually submit more problems rather than just give more critiques
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<pontiki>
nice to have a balance, i suppose
<pontiki>
good examples and giving feedback
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<mostlybadfly>
i'm looking at similar replies but I dont feel confident in suggesting anything just yet
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<insaneinside>
!!! oh. so i'm doing something that's probably against common sense, and using my own library-namespaced `require` that skips RubyGems' stack-uglifying stupidity for most intra-library files --- this must either cause it, or narrow down the places where that gem-infected call took place.
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<Learningthangs>
Does ruby have something like java has eclipse?
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<zenspider>
a crutch?
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<Learningthangs>
Lmao I was just trying to get it out of the terminal since I'm just starting with it
<Learningthangs>
Like I'm not used to using the terminal when writing multiple lines of code
<zenspider>
welp. I like emacs. it has built in ruby support. it comes in gui flavors for whatever you're running
<VanillaGoat__>
there's rubymine. sublime text will let you run your ruby files from an editor too
<Learningthangs>
Ooo, see that's what I mean
<VanillaGoat__>
won't let you give input though
<Learningthangs>
The only example I could think of was eclipse though
<Learningthangs>
So emacs and rubymine?
<VanillaGoat__>
check out sublime text, and if you need more advanced features, trial rubymine, imo
<Learningthangs>
Gotcha gotcha, thank you :D
<VanillaGoat__>
sublime will let you run it and see the output, but other than that it's just a text editor. rubymine is a full on bit of kit with inspectors and breakpoints and all that.
<Learningthangs>
And you said sublime text won't let you enter inputs?
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<Learningthangs>
Ahh
<Learningthangs>
Why do you prefer that over emacs?
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<VanillaGoat__>
sublime text is simpler than emacs and not as extensible, but much easier to start using, imo
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<Learningthangs>
I see, and how do you run code in sublime?
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<sevenseacat>
why would you...
<Learningthangs>
Literally new to this stuff
<Learningthangs>
So I'm asking questions lol
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<Learningthangs>
Also you didn't finish your question, why would i...?
<Learningthangs>
run code in sublime?
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<sevenseacat>
why would you run your code in a text editor
<Learningthangs>
Caues I'm only doing small things to learn the code and want to make sure it prints correctly? Should I not run it there? vanillagoat said I could
<Learningthangs>
So I was asking, if I wanted to test my output, how would I run it?
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<sevenseacat>
from a command line
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<Learningthangs>
So even if the text editor lets you run the code just run it from the command line?
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<Hijiri>
emacs lets you run it from the editor
<Hijiri>
I don't know about ruby, but there might be neat interactive modes where you can zoom to definitions and error locations and such
<Learningthangs>
Ohh, but sublime doesn't?
<Hijiri>
idk, I don't used propietary text editors
<Hijiri>
don't use*
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<Learningthangs>
Ohh. Emacs is for all platforms right/
<Hijiri>
yes
<Hijiri>
you will need to learn some keybindings to use it well, but the built-in tutorial covers some of the basics
<Hijiri>
just as a disclaimer, I don't use ruby all that much so I don't know what there is for it in emacs
<Hijiri>
but there is probably some ruby plugin (a "mode")
<Learningthangs>
Someone earlier said it had built in support
<Learningthangs>
for ruby
<Hijiri>
alright, although there might be more functionality available from external plugins too
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<Learningthangs>
Ahh, okay
<Hijiri>
there are probably guides if you use a search engine
<Hijiri>
because I have to go
<Learningthangs>
I'm looking now for where to get it and stuff
<Learningthangs>
Thank you though!
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<zacts>
oh cool ruby has chomp like Perl
<zacts>
so far I really like ruby
<Learningthangs>
I haven't played much with it, its been a while since I've coded anything so I'm relearning a lot of stuff
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<tmoore>
Learningthangs: I'll be the dissenting voice that says: if you're just starting trying to learn Ruby, don't try to learn emacs now too
<tmoore>
it's a steep learning curve, totally independent from Ruby
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<tmoore>
I mean, try it, sure, but if you find yourself overwhelmed, take a step back
<tmoore>
Sublime is good enough
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<Learningthangs>
Gotcha, I'm just trying to figure out where to start lol
<tmoore>
or... I have been using Atom day to day recently
<tmoore>
which is a lot like Sublime, but $0 and open source
<sevenseacat>
start with installing ruby
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<sevenseacat>
and whatever text editor you currently have on your system
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<Learningthangs>
I got ruby, and I've been learning syntax from the codeacademy thing
<sevenseacat>
then you're well on the way
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<Learningthangs>
Cool
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<Eiam_>
Nilium: your twitter background page made me think i had some corrupted memory going on..
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<arup_r>
Haha.. I am creating a billon dollar project.. Where I got stuck due to some error
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<arup_r>
But resolved ... it just adding the line - Capybara.default_driver = :poltergeist
<arup_r>
Which I missed.
<arup_r>
From the billon dollar project I shown you just 2 snippets.. sevenseacat
<arup_r>
:-)
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<shevy>
lalalala
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<pragmatism>
What.
<shevy>
just woke up
<shevy>
feeling shit
<pragmatism>
Happy Tuesday.
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<pragmatism>
arup_r if you had a billion-dollar project, you wouldn't be in #RoR
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<arup_r>
Hahaa... No...
<arup_r>
Because that is a non Ruby project
<i8igmac>
im still stuck on this eval(a=1)
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<i8igmac>
eval("a=1")
<pragmatism>
arup_r lol wut.
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<arup_r>
Yezzzzzz
<sevenseacat>
thats a bit scary.
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<pragmatism>
sevenseacat to which, both of them?
<sevenseacat>
to the fact someone trusted a billion dollar project to someone who barely knows how to program
<arup_r>
pragmatism : After that project.. I will buy a house in Moon and buy a rocket to come Earth and go back to moon..frequently.. How is the idea of living ?
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<shevy>
i8igmac give up eval man
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<shevy>
become like arup_r i8igmac
<shevy>
100.000 karma on stackoverflow yet still asks newbie questions :-)
<arup_r>
:p
<gaussblurinc11>
hi! is this a normal usage of constant? http://pastebin.com/2n9Xmmaw (method invocation seems bad)
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<shevy>
"This paste has been removed!"
<shevy>
oooh
<shevy>
you had a funny character at the end
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<shevy>
Â
<shevy>
odd :)
<shevy>
gaussblurinc11 this is a common usage of a contant
<gaussblurinc11>
with method invocation?
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<shevy>
what do you mean
<shevy>
it is assigned as a default argument to your parameter there
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<shevy>
other than that there is nothing special
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<i8igmac>
["a=1", "b=2", "c=3"] how would you eval this stuff
<shevy>
i8igmac please don't
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<i8igmac>
?
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<gaussblurinc11>
shevy: I mean File.join method invocation
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<shevy>
ah I see
<shevy>
I myself don't use File.join
<shevy>
using '/' works on windows too
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<i8igmac>
["a=1", "b=2", "c=3"].each{|x| eval(x)}
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<i8igmac>
this worked a few years ago
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<i8igmac>
a+b => undefined local var
<gaussblurinc11>
I think that scope of "a=1" should be inside each block
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<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
i8igmac it works if you use constants
<shevy>
["A=1", "b=2", "c=3"].each{|x| eval(x)}
<shevy>
^^^ now A is known outside the block too, b and c are still local to the {}
<shevy>
is there a programmatic way to define local variables btw?
<hanmac1>
shevy nope, b and c doesnt leave the eval, and are not set
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<shevy>
i8igmac both for constants and @ivars it makes no sense though because you have Object.const_set() (or on another class/module, like Module.const_set or your project's namespace), and you have instance_variable_set("@#{v}", "") for @ivars
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<nrsk>
Hi all! I am testing mailing with Mail::Matchers, can't find how to test attachments?
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<zenspider>
i8igmac: where's that puzzle from?
<shevy>
i8igmac that looks awful
<shevy>
i8igmac and don't tell me that is all you have there
<shevy>
i8igmac what you should do is - write a class that can resolve that
<shevy>
basically this is the same as using aliases
<shevy>
"v2y5f6=7^q7a1" <-- let the class resolve to what q7a1 contains; if it is an alias, follow it to the real value (so obviously your class must be able to find and extract the real pointed-at value)
<shevy>
i8igmac alternatively, you could sanitize those crap values first
<i8igmac>
(w3o5p6^z6j0) this would be a math problem with the key above
<shevy>
so that you will end up with stuff like this instead:
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<zenspider>
shevy: eh. you can do the 90% with map & String.%
<shevy>
i8igmac this is not a "math problem" - this looks like a simple power to - run; a ^ b; in ruby a ** b. Once you have a and b this is trivial to resolve
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<apeiros>
i8igmac: note that eval can't create new local variables
<apeiros>
that is, it can, but only if you eval all subsequent code too on the same binding instance
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<i8igmac>
so, blocking with each will not work, what else could i do?
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<shevy>
told you - write a class that resolves that and keeps track of it
<shevy>
or just sanitize it
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<shevy>
it all follows two patterns: a = x; b = y; c = a ^ b
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<apeiros>
i8igmac: IMO just use a hash
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<apeiros>
those expressions result in quite large numbers
<apeiros>
and by quite large I mean they exceed float range
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<shevy>
cool
<i8igmac>
im just stumped lol cant sleep
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<zenspider>
I got an answer, but it seems to be a trick question
<shevy>
i8igmac come on man, solve it step by step, little by little
<shevy>
i8igmac surely you could solve it if your array has only 3 entries right?
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<zenspider>
yeah. the puzzle is a trick question
<i8igmac>
my brain keeps telling me, 'eval worked years ago'
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<shevy>
no
<shevy>
throw your brain away
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<zenspider>
you can solve it with visual inspection
<i8igmac>
yes
<i8igmac>
could print the data to the screen, then paste into irb and all works
<zenspider>
no need. the math is elementary
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<zenspider>
just go backwards and follow the deps
<apeiros>
zenspider: hm? I thought that with z6j0=9657 and w3o5p6=0^z6j0 --> w3o5p6 = 0 ** 9657 = 0
<zenspider>
that's exactly my point
<shevy>
ohhh where is the 0 ... hmm
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<shevy>
ah yeah
<shevy>
, "w3o5p6=0^z6j0",
<apeiros>
well, only one result is 0
<zenspider>
and the final q is "w3o5p6^z6j0"
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<shevy>
i8igmac man! they solved it for you just now
<apeiros>
ah, I didn't understand it as having a final equation
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<apeiros>
I assumed all expressions' results needed to be given
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<i8igmac>
w3o5p6^z6j0=>0
<zenspider>
SO THE ANSWER IS ZERO
<zenspider>
SPOILER
<apeiros>
ah, I see, that expression was not in the list
<apeiros>
so probably in the backlog, which I didn't read :)
<zenspider>
guess you should have told me where the puzzles were from
* apeiros
hands zenspider a copy of "SPOILER warnings for dummies" :-p
<zenspider>
oh. they're supposed to come before, aren't they?
<i8igmac>
this puzzle is a security feature, that prevents automated scraping of a webpage
<zenspider>
I always get that wrong
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<apeiros>
common mistake
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<apeiros>
i8igmac: lulz?
<i8igmac>
lol
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<zenspider>
so, we're helping you break through something? great
* apeiros
hits gregf__ with a large trout for camelCase
<gregf__>
what apeiros said :/
<gregf__>
heh
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<i8igmac>
apeiros, u just wanted to share with you what i did, Wrote the var's to a file then load 'file'
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<i8igmac>
i*
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<shevy>
that makes apeiros very happy
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<gamzera_>
can someone explain me each method?
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<rpag>
it sequentially yields each element or pair(hash) to a block
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<gamzera_>
what about .map method?
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<shevy>
gamzera_ how long have you been using ruby?
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<gamzera_>
shevy: lol.. I don't belive I can say that I even started using it.. I Just gone through codeacademy course
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<shevy>
gamzera_ have you been using another programming language before? it will be easier to explain
<shevy>
typically you use .map on an Array
<workmad3>
gamzera_: like .each, but it constructs a new collection, with each entry in the new collection consisting of the result of calling the block for that position
<shevy>
it will modify the Array
<gamzera_>
shevy: I've been "working" in pascal for A LOT, but I don't think that would bhelp.
<workmad3>
shevy: .map doesn't modify ;)
<shevy>
gamzera_ ok good
<shevy>
gamzera_ consider you have this array: [1,2,3]
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<gamzera_>
shevy: okay..
<shevy>
now you can convert it into an array that holds strings
<shevy>
gamzera_ you could use .each as well, but .map is simpler
<shevy>
gamzera_ .each simply iterates over the content
<gamzera_>
shevy: so .map and .each are similar functions?
<gamzera_>
shevy: ohh.h.. okay :)
<shevy>
somewhat; .each does not modify, .map will
<workmad3>
gamzera_: they both enumerate a collection
<gamzera_>
yeah, yeah.. I got it guys! thanks :)
<shevy>
for the technical explanation, read the long sentence workmad3 wrote
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<shevy>
I just bring it down to the level of apples and bananas
<shevy>
oh that reminds me, since workmad3 mentioned "calling the block"
<shevy>
gamzera_ do you know what a block is?
<gamzera_>
so wait.. when we need to do something with each element from array we going to use map insted of each, right?
<workmad3>
gamzera_: .map would be the equivalent of doing 'new_ary = []; original_ary.each{|a| new_ary.push(some_method(a))}'
<workmad3>
gamzera_: depends on what you're doing
<shevy>
gamzera_ nono... you use .map if you wish to modify something usually in that Array
<workmad3>
gamzera_: also, as I said to shevy, .map doesn't modify the originally arary
<workmad3>
*array
<workmad3>
it returns a new array
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<gamzera_>
workmad3: but when you use each you are not able to modify elements from array? it just print them?
<shevy>
you could modify it
<gamzera_>
shevy: you could?
<shevy>
sure
<gregf__>
pascal *cries*
<shevy>
you can manipulate an Array
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<workmad3>
gamzera_: you could call methods that modify the objects, and you could explicitly manipulate the array in either case
<shevy>
array[3] = 'new value' <--- here you put it at the fourth place
<shevy>
and you can do this inside an .each block as well
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<workmad3>
gamzera_: with .each though, the return value of the block is thrown away... with .map, the return value of the block is used to construct a new array
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<gamzera_>
workmad3: kk.. it's not that simple but I got it.. I will have to do codeacademy course once agian
<shevy>
man workmad3
<shevy>
see what you did there
<shevy>
you sent him back to codeacademy
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<shevy>
CAN YOU STILL LOOK INTO THE MIRROR workmad3!!!
<wpp>
hello everyone, how can I find out the current RUBY_GC_MALLOC_LIMIT if it has not been set by me? (not through env variables, interested in teh default)
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<workmad3>
gamzera_: e.g. [1,2,3].each{|i| i.to_s} <-- the string is just thrown away, nothing happens, and the original array is returned vs [1,2,3].map{|i| i.to_s} <-- the return value is stored, and a new array is returned with ["1", "2", "3"]
<workmad3>
gamzera_: and it really is that simple ;)
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<wpp>
GC.start; GC.stat is the closest I've gotten
<workmad3>
shevy: I avoid mirrors... they steal my soul!
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<gamzera_>
workmad3: "and a new array is returned with ["1", "2", "3"]" that explained me whole thing :)
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<wpp>
lol nevermind
<gregf__>
gamzera_: no, dont do that. no turning back now that you;re on #ruby :/
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<gamzera_>
gregf__: I don't turn down. btw you guys hate codeacademy or? :D
<rpag>
codeacademy seems to be attracting a lot of people
<gregf__>
gamzera_: ehh. just kidin' ;)
<gamzera_>
rpag: yeah.. I mean it have solid resources for newbies
<rpag>
cool
<gamzera_>
it's solid start.. you won't learn a lot, but.
<workmad3>
gamzera_: getting the hang of what's in Enumerable sets you up for a lot of useful stuff in Ruby too
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<gamzera_>
workmad3: (1..4).map { |i| i*i } #=> [1, 4, 9, 16] why it gave [1, 4, 9, 16] insted of ["1", "4", "9", "16"] ?
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<workmad3>
gamzera_: because it didn't call .to_s
<gamzera_>
yeah.. I completly forgot
<workmad3>
gamzera_: look at what the block (the bit in the {}) does
<gamzera_>
to_i vs to_sym
<workmad3>
gamzera_: what that evaluates to, that'll be the content of the new array
<workmad3>
gamzera_: so if you do {|i| i.to_s} you're converting each value to a string... if you do {|i| i*i} you're squaring each value
<workmad3>
gamzera_: {|i| "cat"}, you're ignoring the original value and just returning the string "cat" (and so the new array is ["cat", "cat", "cat", "cat"] )
<shevy>
gamzera_ I have no preference to or against codeacademy or anything. but I think in ruby, the only real way is to write ruby code yourself and get your brain active to understand what you write
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<shevy>
ruby as a whole is actually quite big
<gamzera_>
workmad3: so to_i converting to string, right? what about to_sym?
<shevy>
just yesterday I learned through havenwood here (who is not here right now lol) that we have .combination()
<rpag>
shevy, i think interaction education is cool though
<workmad3>
gamzera_: .to_s converts to string, .to_i would convert to integer
<shevy>
to_i to_integer
<rpag>
interactive*
<shevy>
to_s to string
<shevy>
to_a to array
<shevy>
to_sym to symbol (that is all that has a : like :foo :bar :ble <--- symbols
<workmad3>
^^
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<wpp>
ahhh so GC.statu in 2.1.2 show has the malloc_limit, but how can I find it in 2.0.0 ?
<gamzera_>
I got it now :) thanks people
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<shevy>
how do you get GC.status to work?
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<wpp>
sorry I typoed, I meant GC.stat
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<wpp>
GC.stat in 2.0.0 and 2.1.2 differ and the latter includes the malloc_limit
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<pontiki>
o/
<shevy>
\o
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<workmad3>
sonOfRa: seems to be the case... can't see any way of verifying the certificate even with start_tls rather than simple_tls
<jhass>
root4: left again already
<sonOfRa>
:(
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<workmad3>
sonOfRa: however, also looking at the code, it seems the SSL connection uses 'OpenSSL::SSL::SSLContext.new' which, I believe, by default sets up to use the default certificate store and *does* verify certificates...
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<workmad3>
hmm... actually, not sure on that front
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<workmad3>
I may be entirely incorrect and SSLContext defaults to completely insecure...
<Toad`>
That's fun
<Toad`>
'cause when you add a g to ruby, you get 'rugby'
<Toad`>
So fun
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<sonOfRa>
I'm trying it now, and using an untrusted certificate, and either net::ldap swallows all errors, or it doesn't verify
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<workmad3>
Toad`: well, most people adding a g to ruby would get 'rubyg' :)
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<Toad`>
Yeah, it requires a bit of intelligence
<Toad`>
I can admit for some it's hard :)
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<workmad3>
Toad`: now, if you'd said 'if you insert a g in the middle of ruby' then you'd be entirely and unambiguously correct ;)
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<Toad`>
Rah doesn't matter, still the same
<Toad`>
You understood me
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<shevy>
toads get stomped upon during rugby man
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<eval-in__>
jhass => libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - /execpad/interpreters/ruby-2.1.3/lib/ruby/2.1.0/i686-linux/openssl.so (LoadError) ... (https://eval.in/220010)
<jhass>
ew
<jhass>
did you check the manpage?
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<jhass>
it's actually a sane default
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<sonOfRa>
the manpage doesn't seem to exist on my system, is there an online-readable version of it?
<sonOfRa>
nvm, got it
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<hanmac1>
charlie: are you the bot author or another one?
<sonOfRa>
Hm, I would really like that sslv23 mode but with tlsv1 upwards... the tls mode doesn't signal that it might understand better protocols
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<jhass>
mmh, it doesn't as explicetly, but offering TLSv1 for 1.0 and then no TLSv1.1 and TLSv1.2 makes no sense, so I would expect TLSv1 to include all three
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<sonOfRa>
Expecting things to make sense in this API is probably a bad idea :)
<jhass>
oh, nvm, the next paragraphs details how to get the three only
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<sonOfRa>
Now to find out where the constants for :options are
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<jhass>
sonOfRa: so ctx.options = OpenSSL::SSL::OP_ALL|OpenSSL::SSL::NO_SSLv2|OpenSSL::SSL::NO_SSLv3 I guess
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<sonOfRa>
I wonder if OP_ALL is the correct thing to use, going to do more reading first.
<jhass>
er, + missing OP_
<wmoxam>
gits1225: !r4ia
<helpa>
gits1225: Rails 4 in Action - http://manning.com/bigg2 - An excellent book combining Rails and TDD/BDD development. Written by Steve Klabnik, Ryan Bigg, Yehuda Katz
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<wmoxam>
gits1225: ^^^
<jhass>
sonOfRa: SSL_CTX_set_options documents it
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<ddv>
gits1225: forget it, you will only scratch the surface
<wmoxam>
oh
<wmoxam>
unreleased?
<gits1225>
wmoxam: Thanks! Does the book also cover Ruby (the programming language) or I will be able to pick it up as I go?
<wmoxam>
gits1225: !r3ia
<helpa>
gits1225: Rails 3 in Action - http://manning.com/bigg2 - An excellent book combining Rails and TDD/BDD development. Written by Ryan Bigg and Yehuda Katz
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<wmoxam>
:p
<ddv>
also rails is a framework
<ddv>
so you need to learn ruby and rails
<hanmac1>
wmoxam: what is a rails bot doing in a non-rails channel?
<sonOfRa>
aha, op_all is bug workarounds. Nice
<sonOfRa>
Now I can finally add proper TLS support to net-ldap :)
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<wmoxam>
hanmac1: I have no idea. I actually thought I was in #ror
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<wmoxam>
my appologies
<jhass>
sonOfRa: ruby sets it if none are given, so I thought it might be a good keeper
<hanmac1>
xD
<wmoxam>
(sp)
<shevy>
we even have a rails pal ... called railis here
<gits1225>
ddv: Yea. I kinda figured that out. So, to catchup with Ruby, will the "pickaxe" book be good?
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<kaspergrubbe>
set chanact_
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
/j #crazy_sex_with_rubyists
<shevy>
oops
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<n3b_>
mmh
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<benzrf>
shevy u lied
<benzrf>
that channel is emypty
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<banister>
benzrf shevy is an interesting character
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<banister>
he gets more interesting as the years go by, as he sinks deeper into ...
<banister>
;)
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<workmad3>
hehe
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<arrubin>
Was TIOBE ever right?
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<arrubin>
fluuflu just spammed me in private.
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<nvdpl>
I am trying to run static site generator called jekyll. Stable version, empty gemset (rvm), but I am having problem with require/autoload all over the place. Anyone has a general clue where to begin to debug this -> ~/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.1.4@test/gems/mercenary-0.3.4/lib/mercenary.rb:20:in `program': cannot load such file -- mercenary/program (LoadError)
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<jhass>
do you use bundler?
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<nateberkopec>
nvdpl: whatever you're doing, try bundle exec <thing you were trying to do>
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<nvdpl>
nateberkopec: I am not using bundler here.
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<jhass>
banister: fluuflu spams
<nvdpl>
nateberkopec: Though it wouldn't hurt to just try it instead.
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<jhass>
thx
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<nvdpl>
nateberkopec: Using bundler solves that issue.
<nvdpl>
nateberkopec: Thanks.
<nateberkopec>
np
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<dreinull>
apeiros: btw, thanks for your help, I fixed my very slow calendar app. It now runs about 20x faster.
<apeiros>
you're welcome
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<dreinull>
that dedicated class did the thing.
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<apeiros>
and is 20x faster still slow or fast?
<apeiros>
that's good. will make it much easier to benchmark it and fix remaining slow parts
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<dreinull>
I think going from 52s down to about 3 ist pretty fast. I think it's partly slow because I'm parsing a lot for a 12month range.
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<dreinull>
also the google api tends to be slow for some requests. And comparing dates and date_time is also a bottleneck.
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<dreinull>
I'm not programming very often so sometimes I can't get my head around some easy stuff.
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<gregf__>
bundle list
<gregf__>
bah :/ wrong chat
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<rukid0>
anyone uses dragonflyBSD here!! I would like to PM so that I don't disturb the room , please
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<dorei>
i thought that matthew dillon was the only dfly user :p
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<rukid0>
umm, I want to install one. It freezes during bootup
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<soulisson>
Hi, is there any good book for security with Ruby like Violent Python?
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<steveElsewhere>
hey does anyone know how I can get rvm to use more resources when installing rubies? it looks like it uses barely any cpu but it crawls along pathetically - is network the bottleneck?
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<steveElsewhere>
oh
<steveElsewhere>
run with --debug makes sense
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<eam>
generally builds are latency limited, then i/o, then cpu
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<zacts>
huh, I wonder if I can do minikanren with ruby..
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<shevy>
what is kanren
<shevy>
is that like sudoku
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<corehook>
hi dudes. Who can help me with RubyMine ? Today my first experience with him , before i used sublime text 3. My os Mac OS. I used cmd+d key to remove right symbol, like 'delete' in windows. How and where i can bind 'delete' button in rubymine ?
<shevy>
darkswordchris hmm perhaps it does not have the .h files
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<shevy>
most people won't need it I suppose
<shevy>
on windows
<jimnak>
thank you shevy
<darkswordchris>
hmm, I usppose that's true. I'll try pik
<darkswordchris>
suppose*
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<shevy>
jimnak \o/
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<shevy>
jimnak I use "if __FILE__ == $PROGRAM_NAME"
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<shevy>
the $0 goes on my nerves
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<jimnak>
what is $0?
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<eam>
$0 and $PROGRAM_NAME are the same thing
<jimnak>
oh, why use $0?
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<jimnak>
i can see why it gets on your nerves now
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<jimnak>
i think PROGRAM_NAME makes more sense
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<jimnak>
but PROGRAM_NAME is actually replaced by the program's name right?
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<eam>
jimnak: $0 comes from perl, and before that C. It's the zero-argument in the unix argv array
<Phrogz>
$PROGRAM_NAME is a global variable that references a string
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<shevy>
jimnak don't forget the $
<shevy>
PROGRAM_NAME would be something different than $PROGRAM_NAME
<shevy>
in ruby you must have good eyes :)
<eam>
jimnak: if you have one program called foo.rb and you symlink it to bar.rb (so they're the same file, with two names) then if you run ./foo.rb $0 will be "foo.rb" but if you run ./bar.rb it will be "bar.rb"
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<shevy>
jimnak you should try it on your own, if you followed my puts __FILE__ instruction then you would understand __FILE__ completely; next step would be to understand $PROGRAM_NAME but if it helps you, here is how I translate this code in my brain
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<shevy>
if __FILE__ == $PROGRAM_NAME
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<shevy>
jimnak: ^^^ "if this file is run from the commandline directly"
<shevy>
as in via "ruby foo.rb"
<shevy>
execute that specific code inside that if clause statement
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<adac>
open-uri vs mechanize: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/37d480cd3457aee24f43 I'm wondering why mechanize shows me the umlauts "encoded"? Is tehre a setting in mechanize that would give me back the same result as with open-uri?
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<Phrogz>
adac: It depends on the encoding of the strings involved in the pipeline.
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<Phrogz>
adac: I don't use Mechanize, but I'd suggest that searching the Web for "Mechanize UTF-8" might give you a good reault.
<Phrogz>
s/reault/result/
<adac>
Phrogz, I played around with the encodings alrady in mechanize, but it seesm there are chars within theis html 'blob' that mechanize has its problems with
<Phrogz>
I wonder if perhaps the same general approach can work for you: get the raw HTML via open-uri with desired encoding, and then feed to Mechanize.
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<adac>
Phrogz, basically I use mechanize because it can follow redirections you know
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<darkswordchris>
so... what's the best way to get ruby on Windows? Can someone just package up their include directory and send it to me?
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<Phrogz>
darkswordchris: rubyinstaller.org
<Phrogz>
darkswordchris: Just the installer works very well, unless you need to build native gems. If you need to do that, you need to (a) also download DevKit, (b) unzip it into a directory with no spaces,e .g. C:\Ruby200\DevKit\ (c) in cmd.exe go into that directory and ruby dk.rb init ruby dk.rb install
<darkswordchris>
Phrogz: used it, doesn't seem to include the header files for use with c++
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<darkswordchris>
for 1.8.7. Ruby 2.0.0 from there is great
<Phrogz>
darkswordchris: You are now beyond my ken. :) I don't develop any extensions.
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<darkswordchris>
Alright, thanks.
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<darkswordchris>
Found the headers. They are buried all the way down at Ruby187\lib\ruby\1.8\i386-mingw32
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<jimnak>
okay, puts is outputting the name of the file
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<jimnak>
$PROGRAM_NAME outputs true
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<jimnak>
what is jvm?
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<jimnak>
i mean jruby
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<headius>
jimnak: Ruby for the JVM
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<greenride>
gem install therubyracer -v '0.12.1' fails on Yosemite. Has anyone else experienced this? The error is `g++: error: unrecognized command line option '-rdynamic'`.
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<Phrogz>
greenride: No, but I can tell you that I have installed other gems on Yosemite without issue. (I'm not there now or I'd test for you.)
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<greenride>
Phrogz: It is only that gem, which is giving me problems.
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<shevy>
destroy that gem
<shevy>
and convince Phrogz to install this gem to test for you :>
<shevy>
I'm gonna try on linux
<shevy>
Fetching: libv8-3.16.14.7.gem (100%)
<shevy>
Building native extensions. This could take a while...
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<damic>
I'm trying to use devise and when I use the sign_up route it error "uninitialezed constant Users" any help
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<adac>
Phrogz, it looks like I have isssues even if I force encode the mechanize content
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<adac>
so Both are now utf 8 but I have problems saving the mechanize output in the database
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<adac>
whereas the open-uri output does save just fine
<adac>
there must be some weird chars in the mechanize output still
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<shevy>
Done installing documentation for ref, libv8, therubyracer after 1 seconds
<shevy>
3 gems installed
<shevy>
greenride all things worked! \o/
<shevy>
long live linux
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<Linell>
So I've got a hash where I can access items like group["id"] for everything. Is there a way to convert that to group[:id] for every item in that hash?
<Linell>
Words are failing me today
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<Linell>
At the risk of sounding dumb, what's the terminology difference in access via "" and :?
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<apeiros>
"string" and :symbol
<apeiros>
they are different kinds of objects
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<apeiros>
just like "123" is different from 123 (string vs integer)
<Linell>
So the difference is just that the hash is mapped to strings instead of symbols?
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<apeiros>
any object can act as a hash key. all it needs is respond to #hash and #eql?, and since Object defines those already, you'd have to actively remove them
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<tercenya>
linell: or just import active_support/core_ext/hash/keys from the activeuspport gem, and you'll get Hash#symbolize_keys. if you do it by hand, consider "k.to_sym rescue k" incase you can't symbolize the string
<apeiros>
s/the hash is mapped to strings/the values in the hash are mapped/keyed to strings/
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<apeiros>
tercenya: bad
<apeiros>
tercenya: don't hide bugs
<apeiros>
I really hate software which does.
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<Linell>
Ah, cool cool. TIL.
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<tercenya>
apeiros: depends on whether you think the function should gracefully degrade or not. Foo#bar shouldn't require me to catch implementation bugs in #bar upstream
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<apeiros>
tercenya: this is not "gracefully degrading"
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<apeiros>
this is hiding bugs. plain and simple.
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<apeiros>
you, the implementer of symbolize_keys, do NOT know the intent. you are NOT in the position to make this kind of decision.
<apeiros>
only the user of your method is.
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<apeiros>
and yes, it is his duty to sanitize the input to your method
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<apeiros>
reversing this is insanity.
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<apeiros>
and yes, I have a very strong opinion on that.
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<shevy>
tercenya has been overwhelmed by the text
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<tercenya>
I noticed. Let the hate flow.
<tercenya>
Or try yoga
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<shevy>
I like yoghurt
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<shevy>
nobody argues over a yoghurt
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<shevy>
but man - everybody argues about bugs
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<apeiros>
tercenya: "Foo#bar shouldn't require me to catch implementation bugs" yeah, sure, let the bugs silently remain and have an unpredictably failing system
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<apeiros>
also, lets not fix bugs
<apeiros>
great strategy
<apeiros>
/not
<tercenya>
shevy: not unless you have hypolactasia
<shevy>
I have not yet met a person in reallife who has Lactose intolerance
<tercenya>
my last office had a celiac and a strict vegan. may picking lunch quite a challenge
<tercenya>
made*
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<shevy>
were they hypolactasian?
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<tercenya>
unpredictably failing? Isn't the point of sanity-checking function to ensure sanity on inputs an handle them by design? it follows from having such a weakly-typed language that you either need lots of guard code, or allow functions to coerce inputs. I'll agree that you shouldn't mix the two
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<apeiros>
tercenya: a) ruby is strongly typed, not weakly
<tercenya>
no, but my neighbor was. she knew to bring lactaid to our house, because cheese is a mandatory food group
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<apeiros>
tercenya: b) symbolize_keys is not a sanity-checking method. sanity *checking* implies probing, not mutating
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<tercenya>
*dynamically typed
<apeiros>
tercenya: c) and no. the whole things you said, just no. so wrong.
<tercenya>
ignorance is bliss
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<apeiros>
tercenya: tell me, how does your symbolize_keys know whether the unsymbolizable key was there because of a bug or because of intention?
<tercenya>
by contract I'm expecting all keys that can be symbolized to do so
<apeiros>
"tercenya: ignorance is bliss" ad-hominem. unwarranted and bad style. don't.
<apeiros>
tercenya: so the conclusion is that any key which can't be symbolized is there in error? i.e., all occurrences are a bug?
<apeiros>
or indicative of a bug
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<tercenya>
the behavior of { Object.new => 1 }.symbolize_keys is undefined, since Object#to_sym is undefined. you want it to be a bug, fine. make it a raise, and that can be your library. I'm quite happy with an opinionated library that takes care of that detail silently for me
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<apeiros>
you're not answering the question
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<apeiros>
I mean I can interpret your answer, which tells me you think silently swallowing bugs was a good idea.
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<tercenya>
the pleasure of software contracts is that you get to define the parameters. The rails community accepts this contract, you don't. I don't see the need to debate that point.
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<shevy>
do you want a car that breaks down or do you want a car that keeps on running
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<baweaver>
I want a car that warns me when its engine fails
<tercenya>
and we've reduced the discussion to "Feature or Bug"?
<apeiros>
shevy: ^
<shevy>
baweaver with a BEEP BEEP sound that you can not easily disable?
<apeiros>
tercenya: no, you've just again evaded to answer
<baweaver>
bingo
<shevy>
I know those cars
<shevy>
I chase them down with my chevy
<shevy>
which got a honking horn :>
<apeiros>
"the rails community". yes, because rails is a role model for good code.
<baweaver>
let errors accumulate and you're digging a hole
<apeiros>
oh, wait, no, it's not
<shevy>
baweaver al bundy's dodge keeps on rolling!
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<baweaver>
role model for good ideas
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<baweaver>
problem is if you want to do anything not 'The Rails Way'
<shevy>
what I would debate is the mention of a rails community
<baweaver>
Then you're screwed
<shevy>
as if they are the lead to design rails :)
<shevy>
sadly apeiros has become a part of the rails community
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<sweeper>
yawn
<baweaver>
DHH was up in arms last night when I suggested that you should have small tools and modules instead of one huge monolithic app.
<sweeper>
the entire argument is cause you've got different perspectives
<sweeper>
a library writer should make stuff fail and fail hard
<lsone>
sweeper is right on this one ...
<shevy>
THERE CAN NOT BE MORE THAN ONE POINT OF VIEW
<shevy>
whops
<shevy>
not #python damn
<baweaver>
^ heh
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<Hijiri>
everyargument is because people have different perspectives
<sweeper>
an application writer wants things to be bulletproof
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<tercenya>
shevy: I made the mistake of opening some python code in Sublime, and it kicked in the pep8 linter. I couldn't see any code over all the complaints.
<lsone>
yea, from the perspective of what i work on daily, the huge monolithic route is the way to go.
<shevy>
are you hiding bugs in your pants sweeper
<baweaver>
good luck upgrading / changing anything
<sweeper>
shevy: no, they get output to logstash! but I do rescue them :)
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<shevy>
lsone I also like bulldozers
<lsone>
we are not breaking up our large financial system. lol
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<sweeper>
you should though
<shevy>
it's a global scam anyway
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<shevy>
baweaver I break things all the time!
<baweaver>
Having to take down an entire app to change one component area is a waste.
<sweeper>
huge and monolithic is *never* *ever* *ever* good
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<shevy>
linux monolithic kernel!!!
<baweaver>
Why I don't use Linux often.
<shevy>
nah they cheat
<lsone>
baweaver: when you can do rolling restarts and downtime is fractions of a second ... it would take insane traffic for that to matter.
<shevy>
they got [M] for Modules
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<shevy>
I don't know how it was in the beginning though
<baweaver>
Insane traffic I have.
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<shevy>
ok you guys are building the next twitter app
<lsone>
"the next twitter" lol
<sweeper>
heh
<baweaver>
enough so that it'd be suicide for fractions of a second greater than a few MS
<sweeper>
twitter is easysauce traffic compared to HFT
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<lsone>
i'll trade you financial systems for social whatever systems.
<baweaver>
If we break anything, you all end up on Twitter pretty fast wanting our heads :P
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<shevy>
haha
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<lsone>
hundreds of millions of dollars a day moving around.
<shevy>
I wanna twitter pre-emptively that the evil beaver is going to break something bad
<lsone>
please trade me
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<shevy>
trading people is not legal!
<baweaver>
Pretty close to the same mate.
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<lsone>
i guess i am just used to being neck deep in legacy code all day. lol
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<lsone>
the monolithic system works, and it works very well.
<lsone>
i do see a bit more fragmentation and redundancy than i do in my other projects, but it has failed far less often as a whole
<shevy>
better to maintain than to rewrite
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<baweaver>
rewriting is a nightmare
<lsone>
shevy: well, we are rewriting the front-end. haha
<baweaver>
don't do it unless absolutely necessary.
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<sweeper>
SOA! SOA! SOA!
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<baweaver>
That we use.
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<kaspergrubbe>
I guess it depends on the application. I have identified some parts of our system that could be its own service, but it works great now too
<baweaver>
If I didn't know any better, I'd say we're most of the way to Erlang.
<lsone>
We are in maintenance mode finally, so it has become necessary for the future.
<lsone>
So tired of writing Java.
<lsone>
So. very. tired.
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<baweaver>
You couldn't pay me enough to ever write it again
<lsone>
If they didn't pay absurdly well, I definitely would've already jumped ship.
<lsone>
Luckily they also give me plenty of time to work on other projects and tools that I like doing, so it works out.
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<shevy>
so you are writing java code for a living
* shevy
is sad
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<lsone>
Pretty much yea Shevy. But hey, on a day to day basis I am working with ruby/rails/angular probably 60-65% of the time
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<lsone>
Pretty much the only thing we do on the Java front at this point is add in new reports
<tercenya>
my bane is perl from the late 90's.
<lsone>
And it isn't just java ... It is GWT, which does make it exponentially worse than just writing Java.
<shevy>
don't mention perl when eam is awake
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<shevy>
hey I don't know a thing in java
<shevy>
save for public what_the_fudge
<shevy>
and some more things
<lsone>
Hahaha
<shevy>
I think a hello world is 6 lines
<zacts>
I like Perl, but I'm starting to like ruby even more.
<shevy>
yay zacts my brother \o/
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<zacts>
but Perl is nice for regexy things, and other stuff.
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<zacts>
plus CPAN, but I hear that ruby is catching up to cpan
<zacts>
^ that was a question, not a statement. :-)
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<shevy>
ah ok
<shevy>
the lack of the '?' character almost got me there man
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<shevy>
I think it depends a lot on the quality of the gem and the skill of the author in question
<tercenya>
we need to reinstitute the use of ¿ to make double sure
<shevy>
dunno if perl has a pdf generator
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<shevy>
there are many other gems of similar quality zacts but there are also MANY MANY inactive gems, or gems that simply never got the amount of detail necessary
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<hesco>
Working on a custom fact: docker_hosted_containers, and using `Facter::Core::Execution.exec('/usr/bin/docker ps -q')` in hopes of populating an array, but see instead: 'undefined method `each' for #<String:0x00000001d28330>'. Can anyone please advise this perl hacker how to munge a multiline list of strings into a ruby array?
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<jhass>
hesco: join #puppet
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<buff3r>
hi, working with someone elses ruby project on github, noticed they were scraping a webpage and returning ASCII-8BIT
<buff3r>
i'm trying to convert it to something i can regex against
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<ericwood>
if it's a ruby string you can regex it
<buff3r>
it looks like this: �����?H��w�B���ۏ@
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<buff3r>
hmm, it looks like i can match against it
<buff3r>
just confused why my IDE would show me those characters
<ericwood>
can you link to the code in question?
<buff3r>
sure
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<shevy>
ok, I have to do this tomorrow though, I have less than an hour left before I have to go to bed, early exam tomorrow
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<atmosx>
oh sure
<atmosx>
what kind of exam?
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<atmosx>
shevy: I'll publish the code on github when ti's ready. Needs some polishing, names and all. No tests (I hate writing tests, I've got the feeling that I'm just loosing time).
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<shevy>
atmosx the title is "Gene technology for plant pathologists"
<atmosx>
shevy: nope
<atmosx>
ah
<atmosx>
the title of your exam
<atmosx>
shevy: sounds bad :-(
<shevy>
so basically it is gene technology, with a focus on manipulation in plants
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<atmosx>
I have pharmacognosy exam for next Wednesday my last exam before the state exams :-D
<shevy>
somewhat. plants are kinda boring
<atmosx>
I see
<buff3r>
sounds like it needs more optogenetics
<atmosx>
I don't even remember what 'stomata' do
<shevy>
haha I am glad I don't have to do a pharmacognosy exam atmosx :D
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<atmosx>
today I had pharmacognosy 1 exam, I failed at all the botany related questions :-(
<shevy>
well they are the openings on the leaf; the plants need CO2 to fix it into a C3 sugar compound
<atmosx>
luckily I passed the pharmacology/pharmagnosy
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<atmosx>
I thought they were openings on the leaf, but to get "nutrients"
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<atmosx>
he told me "nutrients is wrong"
<shevy>
atmosx do you have to memorize drug structure and how they work in body kinetics/metabolism?
<atmosx>
I told him "I don't give a shit, I didn't even knew we had a botany part!"
<shevy>
for pharmacognosy
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<atmosx>
but our prof is a sort of a dick, he didn't ask/do any of this shit on his 2-semesters and I sucked at botany anyway
<buff3r>
nutrients are delicious
<shevy>
well it is not entirely wrong, the C carbon is incorporated
<shevy>
and without the C from CO2 the calvin cycle could not function, so the plant would starve to death
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<atmosx>
shevy: hmm not so much. That's pharmacology and clinical. Pharmacology has much more chemistry and content compounds
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<shevy>
so C would constitute a nutrient, just as N is a nutrient and O is one and H
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<shevy>
cool
<shevy>
I still hate chemistry
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<atmosx>
E.g. you take cardio-active glycosides, you have to know plants (Convalaria majalis, digitalis family), structures, identification tests (precipitations/color reactions), derivatives
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<shevy>
except biochemistry, but it's way too much stuff to know...
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<shevy>
Convalaria majalis
<atmosx>
active substances how thy act (they basically increase heart-bit intensity while decreasing frequency)
<shevy>
sounds like malaria
<atmosx>
at high dosages you're dead.
<shevy>
or canabis
<shevy>
hahaha :D
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<atmosx>
hahaha
<shevy>
oh yeah I think I have heard about these... they are like heart glycosides right?
<atmosx>
Convalaria majalis, Ruscaceae (Lilly of the valley)
<atmosx>
well in my presentations are 'cardio-active' but I don't know, I mean if you take Atropine/Scopolamine (from Atropa Belladona... the entire Solanaceae family) they could have the same effect.
<shevy>
k so you learn stuff in breaking bad too
<atmosx>
Although they act as CNS depressants
<atmosx>
scopolamine crosses the BB barrier... anyway that sort of things... you like it shevy ?
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<buff3r>
well i stil get gobbly-gook from this program
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<shevy>
atmosx no idea. I never went into drugs, reason was I never had a reason and I also could not be bothered to cave into social group pressure either hence why I never started to smoke
<atmosx>
shevy: lol
<shevy>
but I like poisons
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<shevy>
atmosx and in clinical microbiology we also had to memorize some toxins at least... diptheria... tetanus... a few more though i forgot most of them already
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<atmosx>
shevy: I think you could get a pharmacy degree in 2 years tops. You don't need any of th elabs really.
<shevy>
omg... there really is a site called chemistry.stackexchange.com
<atmosx>
shevy: sure!
<shevy>
and they discuss fictional happenings there :\ :/ :\ :/
<shevy>
just like reddit
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<atmosx>
shevy: let's say it's more *scientific* than reddit, I'm not a reddit fan but everybody else is apparently
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<atmosx>
I'm just HNer
<shevy>
atmosx dunno... I don't wanna do drugs, I wanna build synthetic life!
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<atmosx>
shevy: oh well.
<shevy>
atmosx do you know Drew Endy or biobricks?
<atmosx>
shevy: most anti-muscarinic agents are synthetic. The mostly used (natural one) is scopolamine :-P see? Pharmacognosy again!
<atmosx>
lol
<atmosx>
shevy: hm nope
<shevy>
ah ok
<shevy>
if you have time watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gadBNBJRPr0 - he did this at the german CCC about 7 years ago or so, that was one of the coolest presentations I heard
<atmosx>
I can't wait to get hte degree and finish with this fucking university
<shevy>
he also gave other lectures but they were not as good as that one
<shevy>
atmosx hahaha yeah I can relate to that
<atmosx>
then I could indulge myself in programming a lot more
<shevy>
I have to go to bed now, till later
<atmosx>
shevy: wow that's awesome
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