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<Gulaangga>
is it possible to configure rubyzip to not wrap zipped files into a folder?
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<existensil>
rubyzip? is that a gem?
<Gulaangga>
yep
<Gulaangga>
is it bad to ask it here?
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<existensil>
maybe someone knows here uses it, but if there is a community around the gem that might be more useful
<existensil>
haven't used it before
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<Gulaangga>
haha I'm actually being silly
<Gulaangga>
it's probably OS X unzips it into 2
<Gulaangga>
in folder
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<michas>
Hi, using Queue it is easy to send objects from one thread to another. is there a similar way to send objects between processes? (for example connected through tcp.)
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<michas>
looks like cod is something like that.
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<EllisTAA>
From a programmers (as compared to an engineers) perspective, is it safe to say that REST just means you use GET / POST variables? And a RESTful API means a library that uses GET / POST vars?
<baweaver>
reading now, I'll mention if it's any good.
<baweaver>
First part is decent at least.
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<shevy>
damn
<shevy>
monads in ruby?
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<baweaver>
It's possible, just ill advised without some static typing
<zenspider>
shevy: tom stuart gave a really good talk on monads in ruby at gogaruco
<zenspider>
prolly the best I've seen on monads (tho I _am_ biased against, so)
<baweaver>
zenspider: the article references it :P
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<zenspider>
good. he does REALLY good shit all around
<baweaver>
I'll watch it in a sec
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<baweaver>
reading through the rest of the article first.
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<zenspider>
I thought None/Some came from ML
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<baweaver>
Scala is basically SML on the JVM
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<zenspider>
interesting. I never got a good feel from it, but I took a course on ML last october and started to appreciate swift more :)
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<baweaver>
Giving a pretty lengthy talk on Scala and Spark tomorrow
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<zenspider>
I'm certainly biased against jvm-based languages simply because of startup costs (and I actually worked on the jvm and don't like the instruction set / architecture... but that's a major digression)
<zenspider>
which spark?
<baweaver>
Apache
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<baweaver>
In my case I have no such luck to avoid it
<baweaver>
So I embrace the lesser evils
<zenspider>
*nod* totally fair
<zenspider>
now that I've done ml, I might not dislike scala... tho I'll never be a fan of static typing
<baweaver>
depends on your experience with it
<zenspider>
*nod*
<baweaver>
Java has a crap system for static typing
<zenspider>
how do they claim to be THAT much faster than hadoop?
<baweaver>
It's lazy
<baweaver>
Hadoop is eager which kills its time
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<baweaver>
also it operates in straight memory
<zenspider>
ah! cheaters. :P
<zenspider>
is your talk going to be available anywhere?
<baweaver>
blog eventually
<zenspider>
cool
<baweaver>
I have the slides, I just need to write up on it
<baweaver>
and remember zenspider, that's just a freaking word count. You should see what it did to ETL pipelines
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<zenspider>
baweaver: idgi... the word count example on my url above is MUCH smaller, even in java
<zenspider>
why would someone WANT that?
<baweaver>
The same reason they want to use Java I guess
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<zenspider>
no! that's a word count! I needs to be BIGGER
<zenspider>
but... it works in this 10 line example...
<zenspider>
NO! BIGGER
<baweaver>
Functional anything is scary
<baweaver>
It needs objects because enterprise and functional is too hard to understand
<baweaver>
that was pretty well the exact reason I got
<Nilium>
Functional programming really isn't all that much different depending on how far on the purity scale you go.
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<baweaver>
even after I rewrote their entire stack over a weekend in both Scala and Clojure (clojure I had just learned) that ended with less than 10% the original code footprint
<baweaver>
Nilium: Java is as anti-fp as you can get in terms of hadoop
<Nilium>
I do all of my Android stuff in Scala for lack of anything better.
<baweaver>
I straight up avoid Java anymore.
<Nilium>
Well, I don't use it for anything other than Android, so it's easy to avoid for me
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<Nilium>
Everything I do at work is either Go or node.js (typically trying to replace the latter with the former where I can because I don't like dealing with node.js)
<Nilium>
And most everything I do on my own is either C, C++, Go, or Ruby.
<baweaver>
Most of our stack is Java here, so no choice
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<Nilium>
Almost all of ours is PHP. Including cron jobs.
<Nilium>
Thankfully, I don't have to touch it.
<Nilium>
At least not normally.
<baweaver>
I've been a tinge evil at $WORK
<Nilium>
The evil I do at work is Go.
<baweaver>
I talked to one of our spark devs and asked why he wasn't using Scala
<Nilium>
'Cause I've never asked anyone if I could use it. I just started sneaking it in. >_>
<baweaver>
He said no one else was, so I responded by saying I'd work on that
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<Nilium>
And when it became apparent that the little tools I wrote using Go were doing really well, it was easy to get it in for everything else.
<baweaver>
fast forward 3 weeks and they're all in a frenzy, aforementioned dev is convinced I'm evil, and I'm giving an hour long talk on Scala and FP
<Nilium>
I also switched us to Git, so I'm just plain awful.
<Nilium>
I think I'm supposed to be talking about Git and our new projects and so on tomorrow
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<baweaver>
That, and my manager said I need to be respected as the go to and mentor for a subject matter to be considered a senior
<baweaver>
so I manufactured a domain for myself and established myself as the only person who know it
<Nilium>
Well, if you have to game the bureaucracy to shut someone up, so be it.
<baweaver>
Promotion one down, now on to senior level! (Probably'll take a bit longer)
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<Nilium>
I think my title is just "developer" when people interview with me
<Nilium>
I don't know if I have anything more formal than that.
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<Nilium>
It's just fun when I'm introduced to new hires or interviewees or anyone else, 'cause it's not really clear what team I'm on
<baweaver>
At least for now I'm mildly obsessed with gaming the ladder
<Nilium>
Plus nobody can really say what it is I do, which makes it even better. "This is Nil, he does.. stuff."
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<Ox0dea>
Siciala: Could you clarify the humorous part of Set#flatten_merge?
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<metallicrwr>
sevenseacat: I'm asking about others because it might be too hard to build that file server
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<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, gem install rails
<baweaver>
Then build something you know how to make?
<sevenseacat>
uhhhhh
<sevenseacat>
its not, but whatever
<sevenseacat>
then try `gem install rails --version 4.2.1`
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<metallicrwr>
Gadgetoid: then what do I make? a program that tells how shiny I am?
<baweaver>
sevenseacat: might be in a directory with a lockfile
<metallicrwr>
even that's too hard
<sevenseacat>
baweaver: doesnt matter, theyre using gem, not bundler
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, I think that worked. So I don't need RVM etc?
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<sevenseacat>
Voyaya: i never said that.
<baweaver>
Fair point
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, What would I need it for? I don't even know what it is.
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<sevenseacat>
you can get away with using apt-installed rubies, for a time, but you'll run into problems eventually.
<sevenseacat>
like i said, debian fucked up all its ruby packages.
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, What if I go with Arch?
<sevenseacat>
then thats not debian based is i
<sevenseacat>
t
<noethics>
anyone wanna fight about linux
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, No it's not. But will I be good?
<sevenseacat>
do you know how to use arch?
<baweaver>
!try
<baweaver>
drat
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, I'm linux user for 11 years, of course. I'm new to Ruby and Rails.
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<metallicrwr>
baweaver: ok so I have to spawn a thread that will wait for a connection and make another thread for a particular file as a request comes in
<metallicrwr>
but how?
<noethics>
i dont even talk to people who dont use gentoo
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<surrounder>
must be lonely at the pub
<sevenseacat>
then you'll probably be good. i have no idea what arch's repos are like in terms of rubies.
<noethics>
what's a pub
<bnagy>
noethics: you need a hobby other than trolling on irc
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<baweaver>
metallicrwr: I don't intend to guide you through this all
<noethics>
bnagy, how is that trolling?
<baweaver>
It's over your head
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<baweaver>
and I already gave you another idea.
<Voyaya>
noethics, No sense. Do you even know the reason to use Gentoo?
<noethics>
Voyaya, ya
<metallicrwr>
baweaver: ok
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<Voyaya>
noethics, Give me one reason to use Gentoo over Arch.
<bnagy>
take it outside, kids
<bnagy>
this isn't the place to have slap fights about linux
<noethics>
Voyaya, because you get triple sized balls when you use gentoo
<sevenseacat>
lol
<Voyaya>
Idiot confirmed.
<sevenseacat>
noethics: watch it.
<noethics>
:(
<noethics>
me?
<noethics>
wtf
<sevenseacat>
yes, you.
<noethics>
im sry sevenseacat but i liked your elixir and phoenix code
<noethics>
pls dont band me
<sevenseacat>
good to know. that doesnt excuse you from trolling around here.
<sevenseacat>
so, just watch it.
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<noethics>
idk how you define trolling but i was clearly kidding
<Ox0dea>
What's with the different representation of an infinite Array that's had a method called on it?
* baweaver
runs for it
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, So in a book I'm reading, it says to install Rails, just "gem install rails -v 4.2.0" as you said. Is this the original way of installing Rails?
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<sevenseacat>
thats the normal way of installing any gem
<sevenseacat>
using the `gem` command
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<sfate>
use bundler for god sake..
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, Oh ok. It did seem much more complicated when I was watching the other guy installing it. And you mentioned ruby-install, what is that one for?
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<sevenseacat>
sfate: use bundler for installing rails? what?
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<sevenseacat>
ruby-install is for easily installing rubies
<Voyaya>
Too much nonsense today..
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, Ok thanks :)
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<ponga>
omg its written in japanese how on earth u guys supposed to read this?
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<sevenseacat>
learn japanese, duh. >_>
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<Ox0dea>
Huh, Proc#arity used to be called #argc, apparently.
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<ponga>
* ruby.c(proc_options): argcが0の時にも対応. => works now when argc is 0
<ponga>
hm
<mozzarella>
ッ
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<ponga>
it always takes me a while to realise that is smile mozzarella
<ponga>
;p
<shortCircuit__>
there is tranlate.google.com .. why learn japniz when google learnt that for me
<zotherstupidguy>
thats a ri?
<Ox0dea>
Tsu.
<ponga>
that's tsu
<zotherstupidguy>
cool
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<Darkwater>
にほんごはすごい!
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, Are there any stuff you should keep in mind when installing Rails or am I good to go once installed?
<ponga>
Darkwater, cute
<sevenseacat>
Voyaya: just `gem install rails` and you're good to go.
<zotherstupidguy>
my japanese teacher kicked me out and told i should try easier things, she made join the dancing group of the culture course instead of the language course
<Voyaya>
sevenseacat, Ok great.
<Darkwater>
lol
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<ponga>
zotherstupidguy: please elaborate, i could easily finish a bag of popcorn for that
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<ponga>
Darkwater: using only hiragana in japanese is considered cute(linguistics-wise)
<ponga>
believe it or not ;p
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<Ox0dea>
It's indicative of juvenility, no?
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<ponga>
yeah it is
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<Ox0dea>
"Jew vanilla tea".
<ponga>
u should add 'no offense' lol
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<Darkwater>
かわいいうぐうー(´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀)
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<adaedra>
What are all those people speaking japaneese
<adaedra>
We merged with #ruby-jp ?
<ponga>
that tear is kinda broken and overlaps lines
<mozzarella>
tons of spiders in this house, I should buy a gun
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<sfate>
flamethrower then
<zotherstupidguy>
jhass whats the other newtwork fo the jp?
<jhass>
zotherstupidguy: see my link?
<zotherstupidguy>
not unless you post it 3 times lol
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<zotherstupidguy>
ok but whats the irc network?
<jhass>
I could kick you with it as the kick reason, would that work?
<jhass>
common, it's not even written in kanji there
<zotherstupidguy>
jhass please dont, #ruby is my favourite place in the whole wide world
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<zotherstupidguy>
its #ruby-ja
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<jhass>
and it's a link.. with an URL and it has some more latin letters in front...
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<zotherstupidguy>
ponga actually i am good friend to the local japan foundation branch(egypt), i even organized welcome and goodbye parties for the officals. i originally joined in because i used to practice Judo and wanted to learn the lang
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<zotherstupidguy>
ponga jf tought me Go(the board game)
<ljarvis>
morning
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<maloik>
I'm trying to test a rake task and created a spec file with two tests in it. I rake_require in a before(:each), define :environment, and then invoke the task in each test. For some reason, it's only executing the rake task once, as evidenced by the fact that I only enter a pry session once where the binding.pry is inside the rake task. Any clues? https://gist.github.com/hannesfostie/9ad6c6d2688e601d387d
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<certainty>
maloik: why don't you extract the tasks functionality into a class and use that in the rake task
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<maloik>
mostly because it was such a tiny task. that said, I'd still love to figure out wth is going on here :D
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<maloik>
(extracting was the next step cause I have a feeling I'm not going to solve this one)
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<apeiros>
IMO extracting is always the right thing to do
<certainty>
+1
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<maloik>
yea I will
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<maloik>
is the behavior something that was to be expected though? I really don't understand why it wouldn't invoke it twice
<Aeyrix>
Lol jhass are you referencing that bundler issue every time you commit a bundler version bump?
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<livcd>
Aeyrix: i imagine when i add @include to a selector it pushes the selector name to a list variable
<livcd>
and then i iterate through that list in my function
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<Aeyrix>
Are you trying to prove SASS turing complete or something?
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<livcd>
well what i am trying to accomplish is to use the function on a set of selectors which i can target by names
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<Aeyrix>
Not a sass expert, unfortunately. :(
<Aeyrix>
I use vanilla CSS a lot more.
<livcd>
k np
<livcd>
thx for answer anyway :-)
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<livcd>
maybe i can try to ask inn #less as well
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<livcd>
oh there's no less
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<Aeyrix>
It might be ##less
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<zenspider>
rdark: ##mathematica :)
<rdark>
ah yes, those guys
<rdark>
it's more of a CS question, but I'll give them a shot
<rdark>
thanks :)
<zenspider>
what's the q?
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<rdark>
I'm comparing an arbitrary number of arrays against each other by doing a bubble-sort-ish algorithm, and wanted to know how to calculate the efficiency of it
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<rdark>
and how to calculate how many iterations would be required for a given number of arrays
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<olistik>
rdark: could you expand this a bit more? "comparing an arbitrary number of arrays against each other by doing a bubble-sort-ish algorithm"
<zenspider>
usually you can just look that type of shit up. they're all gonna be fairly related in performance so you just need to find the flavor of your alg
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<rdark>
olistik: so I have an arbitrary number of arrays (of hashes), I want to ensure that a given key within every hash is globally unique
<sandelius>
But they all will work for you. Just in different ways
<nini1249>
havenwood I played around with Roda a while ago and it seemed simple but now im kinda lost
<nini1249>
hawenwood I cant even get the sample code from github to work
<havenwood>
nini1249: I'd suggest going through and examining each of the plugins if you haven't already.
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<havenwood>
nini1249: Can't get it to work? What trouble are you running into?
<nini1249>
havenwood I tried to execute the code and the error says undefined method `run' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
<nini1249>
havenwood I guess im not runnign it correctly
<havenwood>
nini1249: What app are you running?
<havenwood>
nini1249: Ah, just the example snippet?
<nini1249>
havenwood The simlpe HelloWorld one from github
<nini1249>
havenwood yep
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<havenwood>
nini1294: That example is meant to be saved as `rackup.ru` and run with the `rackup` command.
<nini1294>
havenwood, Ahh thanks a lot
<havenwood>
config.ru
<havenwood>
nini1294: config.ru I mean
<havenwood>
nini1294: no prob
<havenwood>
nini1294: It's what provides the `run`.
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<jhass>
dionysus69: we don't have cloaks (yet)
<dionysus69>
jhass Aeyrix : ok thanks :)
<havenwood>
dionysus69: Maybe get a #freenode cloak in the meanwhile. :)
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<dionysus69>
how ? where should I ask for it ? havenwood some people made me fear security cause I dont have ip covered haha
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<jhass>
dionysus69: a cloak will only protect you from the most stupid, it's not really a security feature
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<havenwood>
dionysus69: Just ask in #freenode and they'll set you up.
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<havenwood>
dionysus69: But it doesn't hurt. It's easy to request.
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<havenwood>
jhass: It's a shame they disabled sasl-tor.
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<havenwood>
I'd like that back.
<jhass>
yeah
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<Aeyrix>
ILLEGAL
<Aeyrix>
I don't really have a fear of people on IRC.
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<jhass>
dionysus69: in other words, if you don't trust your systems enough to be not hacked just because somebody knows their IPs, don't connect them to the internet
<Aeyrix>
jhass: Have you not seen the espernet "purges"?
<dionysus69>
jhass: haha no I am fine I am on ubuntu :P just a precaution in a world of security
<Aeyrix>
o wait you have me on ignore.
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<adaedra>
Too bad!
<Aeyrix>
:(
<olistik>
rdark: about your key search across your arrays
<Aeyrix>
probably deserved it lel
<olistik>
if you can build and maintain a dictionary that keeps track of every key available, then your search should be O(1)
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<olistik>
but this largely depends on your context
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<daxroc>
Afternoon all
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<daxroc>
Anyone know how to use basic auth with geminabox to upload from the cli? I've tried gem inabox pkg/mha-gem.gem --host http://user:pass@192...:9292
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<certainty>
hmm lotusrb looks extremely promising
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<zipace>
is there a way to the equivalent of this with open3: someprogram | while read line; dosomethingwith "$line"; done
<zipace>
that is, read a programs output (by line), *while* it is running
<zipace>
pipes, basically
<jhass>
zipace: yup, open3 is the way to go
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<zipace>
jhass: and open3 actually supports pipes? so I can do `Open3.open3("foo"){|stdin,stdout,stderr,thr| stdout.each_line{...}}`
<zipace>
because i admit i haven't actually tested that yet
<jhass>
yeah
<zipace>
schweet
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<adac>
having "start_date = 1.week.ago" and "end_date = Time.zone.today" ... how to get back the days in between the two dates? I tried like simply: "end_date - start_date" but that gives me an error: "TypeError: expected numeric"
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<jhass>
1.week.ago returns a Time I think?
<jhass>
try to_date
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<adac>
jhass, to_date works! hwoever I need also to use Time.zone.now
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<jhass>
it has the same method...
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<adac>
jhass, you are right, it also works with Time.zone.today
<adac>
thanks a lot!
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<jhass>
adac: note that Time.zone and 1.week.ago are ActiveSupport extensions
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<waxjar>
Would this be a bad API for a caching system? cache[1] = "foo"; cache[1,2] = ["foo", "bar"] ?
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<Zz4yMYrZX6>
Hey all, I'm wondering if someone can help me out. I don't know Ruby at all, but I'm trying to modify a script that was written for me and given to me.
<hanmac1>
waxjar: is cache an array, or hash or some of your own objects?
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<Zz4yMYrZX6>
The purpose is replace timestamps in a document. right now the script can replace HH:MM, but I need it to replace HH:MM:SS
<jhass>
oh you again
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<Zz4yMYrZX6>
yes
<Zz4yMYrZX6>
hi
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<jhass>
didn't we answer that question already?
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<waxjar>
hanmac1: interface to a Redis server :P i'd like to use MGET/MSET
<Zz4yMYrZX6>
seems like a quick fix, no?
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<Zz4yMYrZX6>
to add the seconds field?
<waxjar>
not sure if I want to abstract this out though, Redis is simple enough
<Zz4yMYrZX6>
i just don't know how to do it
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<hanmac1>
waxjar: i would like this: but thats just imo cache.update(1 => "foo", 2=> "bar") OR cache.update("foo", "bar")
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<jhass>
you might go back to reddit tbh and describe your specs properly that time, this channel is more geared towards helping people that are learning and using Ruby, not a "please make me a script for free that does X"
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<Zz4yMYrZX6>
cool, sorry for the intrustion
<Zz4yMYrZX6>
will do
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<shevy>
dumdedum
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<ruby-lang431>
hello
<jhass>
hi
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<ruby-lang431>
:)
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<jhass>
ruby-lang431: how's your ruby?
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<ruby-lang431>
I am working on a rails project, Just get started.
<ruby-lang431>
Reading books mostly and currently.
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<ruby-lang431>
Hi
<agent_white>
Heya
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<bootstrappm>
morning all
<EllisTAA>
MORNING!!
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<EllisTAA>
i’m trying to use the ruby twitter gem and i need to have a twitter dev account. while trying to register it is asking for my callback url and in the description of that question it mentions “ OAuth 1.0a applications should explicitly specify their oauth_callback URL on the request token step”. Do I need to register for something else? I’m not sure what an oauth_callback url is
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<sevenseacat>
EllisTAA: where should twitter redirect after authenticating?
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<sevenseacat>
thats your callback URL.
<bootstrappm>
^ the cat knows
<EllisTAA>
i dont have one, i just want to tweet from my command line
<bootstrappm>
OAuth is super confusing the first time you encounter it
<agent_white>
ITS DONUT DAY, sevenseacat!!! :D
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<bootstrappm>
then you likely don't need OAuth EllisTAA, OAuth is pretty strictly for web apps
<jhass>
EllisTAA: iirc you supply whatever and catch the redirect you receive
<EllisTAA>
bootstrappm: but i need it to register a twitter developer account
* agent_white
hugs sevenseacat and makes a glaze-dance to the donut gods
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<sevenseacat>
EllisTAA: since when? that makes no sense
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<bootstrappm>
that 3-legged OAuth flow mentioned in the second bullet point is what I was referring to as being for webapps
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<sevenseacat>
given a dev twitter account is for multiple apps and wont have a single callback URL
<riceandbeans>
yo yo yo
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<riceandbeans>
I want to rewite a for statement with a do
<riceandbeans>
can anyone give me a hand?
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<sevenseacat>
left or right hand?
<jhass>
?anyone
<ruboto>
Just ask your question, if anyone has or can, they will respond.
<riceandbeans>
for i in (0..@array-1)
<riceandbeans>
then I use i like
<riceandbeans>
@otherarray[i]
<sevenseacat>
@array is an integer?
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<riceandbeans>
well, truth be told this is puppet
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<riceandbeans>
but this is in an erb, so it's ruby
<riceandbeans>
but variables in puppet when localized are 2
<riceandbeans>
@
<havenwood>
riceandbeans: Did you mean? @array.size - 1
<sevenseacat>
in what universe does that answer my question
<riceandbeans>
so ignore the sigil
<havenwood>
>> [] - 1
<ruboto>
havenwood # => no implicit conversion of Fixnum into Array (TypeError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/376198)
* jhass
waits for a question
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<riceandbeans>
ok, well the guy says it worked for him as is...
<riceandbeans>
but this is going to have to run every 30 minutes on thousands of systems...
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<riceandbeans>
I seem to recall having read that things like....
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<riceandbeans>
foo.each do |i|
<riceandbeans>
bar[i]
<riceandbeans>
end
<jhass>
each_index
<riceandbeans>
have a better optimized thing, so it's faster
* jhass
still waits for a question
<jhass>
?fake
<ruboto>
Please show your real code to illustrate your problem. Using fake code often hides it or won't bring up the best possible solution.
<riceandbeans>
my question is, two part
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<jhass>
?gist
<ruboto>
https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited
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<riceandbeans>
can I rewrite the for statement as the do statement and will it be faster if instead of for i in 0..whatever if I do foo.each_index do |i|
<havenwood>
riceandbeans: What is foo?
<jhass>
see above
<riceandbeans>
it's an array
* sevenseacat
poinst at gist link
<jhass>
no point in answering this in the abstract
<riceandbeans>
I cannot gist
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<sevenseacat>
thats a shame.
<havenwood>
riceandbeans: The code you showed us makes no sense.
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<riceandbeans>
my company scans any dns with gist/paste and takes the content and yells at us about anything
<sevenseacat>
lol
<riceandbeans>
regardless of the output they claim it was company data
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<jhass>
http://termbin.com/ there, doesn't have "gist" or "paste" in the name
<riceandbeans>
hmmm...idea
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<adaedra>
ix.io also works
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<shevy>
riceandbeans trick your company!
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<riceandbeans>
this server is outside my company, suppose I could elinks it
<riceandbeans>
:P
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<sevenseacat>
i think they just wanted to trick us by not actually posting any code
<podman>
hey guys, is there a good way to get AR to use milliseconds with mysql outside of rails?
<miah>
there is a github api gem too
<jhass>
?crosspost podman
<ruboto>
podman, Please do not crosspost without at least telling so and mentioning provided suggestions and their outcome in all channels. Experience shows that people don't do either, and not doing so is considered rude.
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<bootstrappm>
you just do: `gem install gist` then `gist filename.rb` and it'll output a url
<podman>
really?
<jhass>
really
<podman>
wow
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<havenwood>
podman: That's just irc etiquette.
<riceandbeans>
yeah but if you have 2fa it doesn't work
<podman>
havenwood: I've been using IRC since 1996.
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<riceandbeans>
and I don't post things that don't expire
<riceandbeans>
homey don't play that
<podman>
i've never heard of people complaining about asking the same question in multiple channels
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<sevenseacat>
then you havent been in this channel very long
<sevenseacat>
or #rubyonrails
<podman>
no, i haven't been in #ruby very long, and while that might be a problem for this channel, it's not something i've seen on IRC in general
<jhass>
or crossposting to channels with large userbase unions
<sevenseacat>
this is why you always read a channel's rules before posting :)
<podman>
why not put something about that in the topic?
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<sevenseacat>
it is.
<sevenseacat>
as part of the rules that you didnt read.
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<jhass>
granted we could prefix the first one with Rules & more
<havenwood>
podman: Anyways, if you let large channels know you're crossposting folk won't waste time answering already-answered questions and can follow parallel discussions.
<podman>
Yeah, I think that would be helpful
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<podman>
havenwood: maybe it's not wasting time though. what if someone has a better solution, etc
<jhass>
apeiros: ^ watcha think about prefixing the ruby-community.com link with that?
<jhass>
podman: we do not ask to not crosspost, we do ask to inform
<havenwood>
podman: Then the other channels learn of the better solution.
<sevenseacat>
then you tell people you're crossposting and we move on
<podman>
Sure, I just glanced at the message from the bot, but it starts "podman, Please do not crosspost..."
<sevenseacat>
its a very real problem for two channels so closely linked like #ruby and #rubyonrails
<podman>
which was posted a few seconds after i posted and was kind of startling and somewhat hostile
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<sevenseacat>
sigh
<havenwood>
podman: Where else did you post?
<jhass>
any suggestions to reword it are welcome, you might want to join #ruby-community which we use for discussions around that
<havenwood>
Assuming #rubyonrails?
<sevenseacat>
#rubyonrails
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<podman>
in #RubyOnRails
<havenwood>
thx
<podman>
they're related channels but they're not the same
<jhass>
I wonder if you even read what people wrote
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<jhass>
the argument about the channels being related was that it means we see it happen a lot more often
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<jhass>
not that it's bad etiquette because of that
<podman>
I'm sorry my opinion about asking the same question in different channels is different that yours. That doesn't mean I didn't read what you wrote
<bootstrappm>
I think we've strayed a bit here ...
<bootstrappm>
podman, you understand the rules?
<sevenseacat>
why so much argument? you now know our channel rules, lets move on
<bootstrappm>
then lets move on
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<podman>
yep, understand the rules
<jhass>
^ podman if you want to continue to discuss this please join #ruby-community
<havenwood>
There's a #ruby-community channel if anyone wants to discuss improvements to the rules.
<havenwood>
Or ways to make factoids more friendly.
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<havenwood>
Or TL;DR-proof.
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<podman>
I care much more about getting milliseconds to work than discussing crossposting of questions in IRC channels
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<sevenseacat>
lol
<bootstrappm>
podman what method would you like to return milliseconds? or are you talking about logging?
<bootstrappm>
or storing ms in DB?
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<podman>
I'll restate the original question: I'm using AR with the mysql2 adapter in a project outside or Rails. I'm trying to store milliseconds in DB
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<podman>
bootstrappm: i tried that. it works well in Rails, but doesn't seem to work outside of it for some reason
<bootstrappm>
the only thing Rails-specific about ^ that answer is where to put time.rb (config/initializers). In a non-Rails project you just have to manually include it with a require
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<bootstrappm>
if you tried that I'd suggest including that information with your question podman ;)
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<bootstrappm>
well this looks to be from late last year, I doubt AR would have changed the way it handles datetimes + mysql since that time
<itisit>
there is a string "abc.def\n", I want to retrieve "abc" from it, what's the function to truncate it? thanks!
<bootstrappm>
I'd suggest a grep through AR for DATE_FORMATS and see exactly how it uses it
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<jhass>
?fake itisit
<ruboto>
itisit, Please show your real code to illustrate your problem. Using fake code often hides it or won't bring up the best possible solution.
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<bootstrappm>
could somebody do that ruboto thing with real code for itisit? /cc jhass
<bootstrappm>
itisit, reason being: I'm not sure what the constant is in the string in your question. Does the period change? Is it always 'abc'? Do you just want the first three letters always or do you want to split on period?
<itisit>
ruboto: a = "abc.def\n", b = a.split('.').first, that works. but if a = "abc\n" how to get "abc"?
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<havenwood>
itisit: Show more cases. What are a list of possible inputs?
<jhass>
itisit: real inputs, not made up ones
<bootstrappm>
podman any luck looking for DATE_FORMATS?
<podman>
bootstrappm: doesn't show up anywhere in AR as best I can tell
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<jhass>
activerecord/lib/active_record/integration.rb:11: # Accepts any of the symbols in <tt>Time::DATE_FORMATS</tt>.
<ruboto>
bootstrappm # => "{\"3290\":\"2\",\"3291\":\"3\",\"3292\":\"4\",\"3293\":\"5\",\"3294\":\"6\",\"3295\":\"7\",\"3296\" ...check link for more (https://eval.in/376215)
<shevy>
"This git repo is a fork of git://anongit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd with the aim of isolating udev from any particular flavor of system initialization. In this case, the isolation is from systemd."
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<shevy>
resistance is futile
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<shevy>
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.
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<shevy>
hmm... the BORG were not so clever...
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<shevy>
if they would have known what a train wreck the human species is, they would have never wanted them!
<bootstrappm>
^ that just reminded me, for anybody thats interested in biomedical engineering, they created a full grown rats arm in lab the other day
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<bougyman>
it's not at all futile, shevy
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<bougyman>
I can guarantee there will always be one linux without systemd
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<shevy>
well old ones perhaps?
<shevy>
bootstrappm the frankenstein rat?
<bootstrappm>
what's arch use?
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<shevy>
dunno. jhass knows probably
<shevy>
systemd I guess
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<jhass>
yup, second adopter of it after fedora
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<bougyman>
yeah arch moving to systemd made me mad at the time
<bougyman>
but i'm much happier now with voidlinux, so I'm glad arch did it.
<shevy>
hehehe
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<jhass>
that's what this is about right? everybody can choose what they like, no need to hate each because of that
<miah>
as a transgender person, much of the 'mrs. garrison' storyline was :/
<shevy>
perhaps they could even use specialized 3D printers one day for scaffolds
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<bootstrappm>
ahahaha that img
<jhass>
miah: sorry, that's just how south park is though...
<bootstrappm>
miah yeah, southpark tends to be hard on the marginalized
<bootstrappm>
:/
<bootstrappm>
much like family guy
<miah>
indeed
<shevy>
I never watched south park... but I think it had a few famous components... the chewbacca line of defence, as reference to O.J. Simpsons, is from south park I think
<miah>
i do tend to like southpark though
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<jhass>
shevy: yup
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<theRoUS>
when creating a gem with a name like 'ruby-foo', how should the internal naming be structured, especially if 'foo' is already namespaced by one or more other gems? Ruby::Foo ? RubyFoo ?
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<havenwood>
theRoUS: ruby_foo corresponds with RubyFoo and ruby-foo with Ruby::Foo.
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<theRoUS>
i speak a little russian, and i asked a russian acquaintance about it. also, i asked him about an auto reg plate that looked suspiciously Cyrillic: CTEPBA
<miah>
pretty amazing for a movie that doesnt actually exist =)
<theRoUS>
which, again loosely translated, means 'bitch'
<shevy>
Anonymous doomed fighter pilot: "They're all over me.", becomes:
<bootstrappm>
omg that star wars translation is hillaaaaarious
<shevy>
"He is in my behind"
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<shevy>
I think they do it on purpose sometimes... but at other times, it really does not seem to be on purpose at all
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<shevy>
only yoda makes sense in that translation
<theRoUS>
shevy: my thoughts exactly!
<shevy>
:)
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<shevy>
it's interesting that this suddenly makes for a more comedic movie than it normally would be
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<theRoUS>
meh. so a gem for using mklivestatus (for nagios).. should it be ruby-mklivestatus (Ruby::MKLiveStatus) or ruby_mklivestatus (RubyMKLiveStatus) >
* theRoUS
grumbles, edge cases, always with the edge cases
<shevy>
well normally, if you can omit the 'ruby_' part this would be ideal
<shevy>
best would be: name of top-level namespace == name of project
<shevy>
so if you require 'mklivestatus', ideally you would have a main module namespace module Mklivestatus too
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<shevy>
people are lazy, typing RubyMKLiveStatus is so much work
<theRoUS>
there's already a 'mklivestatus' gem and a 'nagios_mklivestatus' one.
<shevy>
yeah that sucks
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<shevy>
I'd wish one could have multiple same-named gems
<theRoUS>
yeah, but namespacing and not tromping on others' work is also important
<shevy>
ok but consider this:
<shevy>
module Configuration
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<shevy>
I'd only ever want to have a single gem there
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<shevy>
and not be this anyone else's namespace :D
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<ruby-lang431>
.
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<jhass>
DeBot: !hangman ruby
<DeBot>
␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣ [] 0/12
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<jhass>
DeBot: :S
<DeBot>
␣␣␣::␣␣␣␣::␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣␣s␣␣ [] 0/12
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<baweaver>
DeBot: :A
<DeBot>
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<cj>
hey folks
<baweaver>
DeBot: :E
<DeBot>
␣e␣::␣␣A␣::␣␣␣␣␣␣␣e␣as␣␣ [] 0/12
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<baweaver>
DeBot: :N
<DeBot>
Ne␣::␣␣A␣::␣␣␣␣␣␣␣e␣as␣␣ [] 0/12
<jhass>
baweaver: pause please
* baweaver
pauses
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<baweaver>
cj: question?
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<cj>
baweaver: typing it :-)
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<baweaver>
jhass is just miffed that I'm winning :P
<eam>
how do I guess
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<baweaver>
aw
<baweaver>
he killed it
<eam>
It's a Net::IMAP::BodyType??
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<eam>
Net::IMAP::BodyTypeBasic?
<cj>
so, I downloaded ruby 2.1.6 (x64) and the mingw dev kit (64-4.7.2-20130224-1432) from rubyinstaller.org/downloads and attempted to follow the instructions at http://github.com/oneclick/rubyinstaller/wiki/Development-Kit, but it refers to a dk.rb file, which doesn't seem to be there...
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<cj>
maybe I'm up one too many directories...
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<cj>
yeah, that's it. FFS. The installer by default suggests ~/Downloads and unpacks it there.
<jhass>
your're welcome!
<baweaver>
quack quack
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<baweaver>
we make for a good rubber ducky on occasion
<finisherr>
Yeah, i wasn’t looking at the stacktrace close enough
<finisherr>
Need some coffee i think : )
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<tuelz2>
does anyone know where I can find some example code for using activesupport and actionview helpers for showing tiem calculations like you would expect for an auctions remaining time?
<tuelz2>
I can't seem to get any of the modules loaded properly or I'm missing deps or something
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<cj>
tuelz2: error log output?
<jhass>
also might have better luck in #RubyOnrails
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<tuelz2>
jhass: good idea
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<tuelz2>
cj: sorry I got fed up and started writing my own code for it - I'm sure you could help me debug, was just asking for a magic bullet before I started pullinug our hair and debugging code
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<cj>
tuelz2: no worries. I'm not very good with ruby, but I've been looking for errors in logs my whole life :-)
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<havenwood>
daed: Can you show the code?
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<daed>
havenwood: unfortunately it's probably like 1000 lines of various code and i can't seem to trace precisely where this is coming from, ruby-prof only says "DRbMessage#load called IO#read" and it's hanging there
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<daed>
IO#read isn't blocking like that in other environments though
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<shevy>
dudedudeman I struggle too. But I am naturally lazy, so I tend to write code that is very simple
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<havenwood>
daed: Do you know what it's deserializing when it gets stuck?
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<daed>
havenwood: there are hundreds of drb messages flowing through the processes (about 6+ processes)
<dudedudeman>
shevy: i like to think part of it is because i'm a junior, but i don't want to hang my laruels on that too much
<havenwood>
daed: hmm
<daed>
maybe i'll patch in some logging
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<daed>
havenwood: still seems weird that ruby-prof is giving me such a small stack trace
<havenwood>
aye
<shevy>
dudedudeman you'll be much lazier in 10 years man :)
<shevy>
a part of the reason why I write code is so I can be lazy lateron
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<shevy>
which testing style is the most fun?
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<daed>
havenwood: FWIW i used the html callstack printer and it gave me the full callstack
<daed>
drbconn#sendmessage, drbtcpsocket#recv_reply, drbmessage#recv_reply, drbmessage#load and it hands there on IO#read within the load() function
<duderonomy>
I have a need to create a properly formatted XML doc from collection of structured data sets (but sometimes they vary based on version). Then, hopefully, other services can access that data via an API .
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<duderonomy>
Of course, I am inexperienced in both xml and ruby.
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<duderonomy>
Has the community innovated past Jim's canonical builder gem?
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<duderonomy>
Seems like the place I should start
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<shevy>
duderonomy first step is I would try to use nokogiri
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<shevy>
have a look at the examples, I think it should allow you to do everything regarded XML
<tenspeed705>
weaksauce: I thought you were referring to the hasbro game.
<tenspeed705>
thanks jhass
<weaksauce>
:)
<Diabolik>
can anyone recommend any resources for ruby algo design
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<weaksauce>
Diabolik in what sense?
<Diabolik>
im struggling with doing some of the tougher codewars stuff
<weaksauce>
how ruby is designed? or how to implement an algorithm in ruby.
<Diabolik>
the latter
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<ruby-lang938>
hello
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<jhass>
12 seconds, had it worse
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<weaksauce>
Diabolik can you gist an example?
<ajk_>
v = "testing testing\n testing testing" v[/(?<=\\n ).+/] returns nil any idea why? I can get this working in Rubular but not in irb.
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<ajk_>
Essentially im trying to grab everything after the \n break
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<finisherr>
When retrieving paginated REST responses from an HTTP API, is it best to iterate through each page and append the results to some object until the next page returns a 404?
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<havenwood>
ajk_: Single versus double quotes.
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<havenwood>
ajk_: Whether it's a newline or escaped, so actually the characters '\' and 'n'
<weaksauce>
Diabolik think like a computer... how would you do that if you were to do it by hand?
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<Ox0dea>
weaksauce: Computers don't have hands.
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<weaksauce>
how would you do that if you were handless then?
<weaksauce>
:P
<ajk_>
havenwood: what if im retrieveing the string from an object how do i use single quotes?
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<Diabolik>
weaksauce
<Diabolik>
i get that
<Diabolik>
and i have a page of notes
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<Diabolik>
but its shit like working out how to capitalize the first letter of each word
<Diabolik>
that i don't know
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<Ox0dea>
Diabolik: Are you behind the Great Firewall?
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<havenwood>
ajk_: So you don't want to change your regexp to match the data, you want to change the data to match the regexp?
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<havenwood>
ajk_: Maybe I'm missing something but why not use a regexp that matches your data?
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<ajk_>
havenwood: so im retrieving my data through nokogiri as a string object however when i try to apply the regex it returns nil, because its evaluating with double quotes, how can i have it evaluate it differently?
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<havenwood>
ajk_: v[/(?<=\n ).+/]
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<ajk_>
i see so i didnt need to escape the new line character
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<havenwood>
ajk_: Just don't escape the newline in your Regexp, if I'm understanding correctly. Yup
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<ajk_>
whats strange is it will still eval correctly in rubular.com with the escaped new line
<ajk_>
but not in irb
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<ajk_>
i think thats where the confusion was
<Diabolik>
no Ox0dea
<Diabolik>
whty
<Diabolik>
*why
<havenwood>
ajk_: try in irb but with a single quote string, yeah
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<ajk_>
it works now, thank you havenwood
<havenwood>
ajk_: you're welcome
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<ajk_>
strange how an online repl could eval correctly though
<ajk_>
and not in irb
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<havenwood>
ajk_: well, i guess they had to pick single or double quotes for the test string
<havenwood>
ajk_: you chose double and they chose single
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<havenwood>
ajk_: i guess it'd be nice to show single quotes around the test string on Rubular to be more clear. you could open an issue asking to treat test string as double quotes for escaping.
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<ajk_>
thats a good idea
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<havenwood>
since Ruby returns double quoted String literals your expectation makes sense to me
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<Ox0dea>
>> %q foo
<ruboto>
Ox0dea # => /tmp/execpad-349bd0dcfc34/source-349bd0dcfc34:3: syntax error, unexpected tCONSTANT, expecting keywo ...check link for more (https://eval.in/376330)
<Ox0dea>
>> %q foo
<ruboto>
Ox0dea # => /tmp/execpad-b55f31f5ea7c/source-b55f31f5ea7c:3: syntax error, unexpected tCONSTANT, expecting keywo ...check link for more (https://eval.in/376331)
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<Ox0dea>
Huh?
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<zenspider>
what's the question?
<felltir>
%q { foo }
<Ox0dea>
ruboto chomps input.
<felltir>
>> %q { foo }
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<ruboto>
felltir # => /tmp/execpad-af2d1083fc2f/source-af2d1083fc2f:2: syntax error, unexpected tIDENTIFIER, expecting key ...check link for more (https://eval.in/376332)
<ruboto>
felltir # => /tmp/execpad-4ac77cd5f6f8/source-4ac77cd5f6f8:2: warning: string literal in condition ...check link for more (https://eval.in/376337)
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<eam>
>> % %%%%%% %%%% % %%%%% %%%%
<ruboto>
eam # => /tmp/execpad-87cb1f98db6d/source-87cb1f98db6d:3: syntax error, unexpected tCONSTANT, expecting keywo ...check link for more (https://eval.in/376342)
<adaedra>
So many %
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<jhass>
or the host you're trying to reach has no route towards it, at least from your network
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<Ox0dea>
dfockler: What made you say so?
<jhass>
does it need a reason?
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<dfockler>
just refactoring and I made a method a lot nicer
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<autrilla>
jhass: mm okay, that doesn't really help me but I appreciate it
<dfockler>
also does anyone end up passing around a bunch of values and then realize you should have an object?
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<dfockler>
5 years out of school and I'm still learning OOP
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<eam>
shevy: we all are, really. It's the human condition
<jhass>
autrilla: well, there's nothing we say more without access to the machine you're getting that from and the host it's trying to reach. It's most likely unrelated to any of the ruby stuff
<jhass>
*we can
<ljarvis>
dfockler: they're all objects
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<dfockler>
:P
<autrilla>
I understand. I didn't code this.
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<jhass>
yeah, I'm saying it's unlikely an issue in the code but in your system/network configuration
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<jhass>
I wish ruby would dump the IPs in these errors though
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<drbrain>
autrilla: ↑ I agree
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<autrilla>
I doubt that, I don't even have a firewall
<autrilla>
selinux is permissive... heh
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<eam>
selinux at all can cause odd behavior. I always disable it completely
<workmad3>
autrilla: not having a firewall doesn't mean your network settings are good
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<autrilla>
workmad3: why would they be wrong?
<jhass>
and it doesn't mean your ISPs network config is good, or that of the target hosts ISP or any in between
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<workmad3>
autrilla: because you're getting an error stating that the network is unreachable? :P
<jhass>
all could have a mess in their configs and cause that particular error
<autrilla>
It'd be useful to know what network
<jhass>
the one of the target host
<autrilla>
Yeah, I figured that much.
<workmad3>
jhass: man, I just *love* networks :D
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<jhass>
I think a lot of people do, so that's why this inter-network thing happened
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<jhass>
good thing IRC was forward compatible
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<shevy>
jhass are you writing much crystal code these days?
<workmad3>
shevy: bah, you missed a great opportunity for implication there :(
<jhass>
hmm, not writing much code at all
<workmad3>
jhass: doing much crystal nowadays?
<workmad3>
^^ see
<jhass>
heh
<shevy>
workmad3 yeah... but this time I really wanted to know if he was writing crystal code!
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<workmad3>
jhass: if I was doing crystal, I would so alias the runtime to 'meth' :D
<workmad3>
(assuming the compiler isn't already called that)
<jhass>
I wonder when somebody will write methhead for Crystal and what it'll do to method headers
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<Mon_Ouie>
Just rename the 'def' keyword to 'meth'
<workmad3>
Crystal Methhead - for really f***ing up method headers
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<jhass>
I'm also still awaiting the rack port crack
<shevy>
I can do so via direct assignment, or through a method
<shevy>
the problem is that the real module has lots of small methods defined; and I sort of want to say "redirect the output of all those methods, into @string"
<jhass>
we already have like 6 early webframeworks for crystal, doing rack for crystal would actually be good so we can do stuff like binding lwan and idk
<bougyman>
what is crystal?
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<bougyman>
it's a bitch to google, i'll tell you that.
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<shevy>
lol
<bougyman>
why do ruby people choose such common names for things?
<bougyman>
anyone remember God ?
<shevy>
crystal lang should help
<jhass>
a programming language
<bougyman>
wth, really.
<dudedudeman>
bougyman: cyrstal is on reddit as well
<shevy>
giving names to things is hard :)
<bougyman>
no it isn't
<bougyman>
just use something that's not a word.
<bougyman>
or an ancient word.
<bougyman>
or a sanskrit word.
<shevy>
oh an ancient word
<bougyman>
c'mon.
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<workmad3>
def
<shevy>
now we get into the difficult part
<shevy>
latin names!
<shevy>
my gem is called sansori mortus est
<Ox0dea>
shevy: Make @string a StringIO and delegate #puts?
<workmad3>
bougyman: crystal is a different programming language, btw :P
<dudedudeman>
i'd like to write a programming language called shevy
<bougyman>
great fucking name
<shevy>
it makes pandas on the commandline
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<bougyman>
workmad3: yeah I saw that.
<shevy>
Ox0dea oh... hmm
<workmad3>
0xDEADBEEF
<shevy>
dudedudeman that was already suggested once, I don't remember by who. thankfully it was not accepted
<workmad3>
^ everyone's favourite hex
<Ox0dea>
False.
<bougyman>
I have shitinternet here (on vacation in dominican republic), can I get a few sentence summary of crystal?
<shevy>
crystal is very similar to ruby in syntax style
<bougyman>
luckily irc + znc is frekking bulletproof.
<bougyman>
ah, elixir style?
<workmad3>
bougyman: it's like ruby, but with types and a compiler
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<bougyman>
what vm does it run on, or is it AOT ?
<shevy>
but the promise is that you have an easier time interfacing with C, and it is compiled I think rather than interpreted
<bougyman>
an, AOT.
<ytti>
0xf00fc7c8
<dudedudeman>
jhass: what did you change in the topic?
<workmad3>
jhass: did that seem accurate? :)
<bougyman>
cool, will check it out when I return.
<bougyman>
I like exlixir quite a bit.
<bougyman>
the erlang vm is quite nice.
<jhass>
workmad3: pretty much
<shevy>
btw it's funny that during your vacation
<shevy>
you still hang out on #ruby :D
<bougyman>
well but of course.
<bougyman>
i'm just drinking margaritas 10m from the ocean atm
<bougyman>
why not chat a bit?
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<shevy>
Ox0dea I guess I have to familiarize myself with StringIO first
<workmad3>
shevy: it's an IO-like object that wraps around a String
<jhass>
workmad3: bougyman the highlight feature of Crystal is that you rarely have to specify types while being a compiled & statically typed language
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<bougyman>
inferred types are good and bad, I think.
<bougyman>
I'm loving ponylang's capabilities.
<bougyman>
I guess I should call them Capabilities
<shevy>
optional types would be kinda cool
<bougyman>
they're a first class thing
<bougyman>
it's a layer between types and the compiler.
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<jhass>
yeah, pony is deliberately designed to like never specify a type
<bougyman>
which sets rules for what a type can do, and what can be done to it.
<shevy>
what is your pony
<jhass>
crystal compromises to retain much of the Ruby look & feel
<shevy>
did bougyman not say something a few lines above about silly names
<shevy>
feed the pony some crystal!
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<bougyman>
well, i don't like pony-lang's name much either.
<bougyman>
but ponyc is acceptable
<workmad3>
jhass: looking @ it, types are mostly used in method declarations, right?
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<bougyman>
that's what I named the package in voidlinux
<shevy>
lol
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<bougyman>
I did like nimrod's name.
<bougyman>
and they had to go and change it
<jhass>
workmad3: that makes things easier to work with as you get compiler errors with your stuff higher up in the trace, but again for a lot of stuff not necessary
<jhass>
stdlib does it a lot because of what I said
<bougyman>
i'm starting to actually believe the hype about ponyc, in that if it compiles, it cannot crash.
<workmad3>
jhass: nah, that's actually making we want to try it some more :D
<jhass>
and not have it error out when it hits the C bindings
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<bougyman>
a lot of C programmers believe that about their apps, and it's so untrue.
<bougyman>
with ponyc there's a lot more confidence, even at this early age of the lang.
<workmad3>
jhass: ruby-like, but with type annotations in one of the places that research seems to show they're useful!
<shevy>
research shows.... hmm
<workmad3>
and otherwise, mostly optional
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<jhass>
what I like most is how it trained me to avoid nil even more
<bougyman>
pony doesn't have a null.
<bougyman>
but of course they have a None
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<shevy>
nil is bad?
<workmad3>
shevy: in this case, research == multiple repeated studies on code comprehension and task completion speeds with multiple different cohorts covering a wide span of experience levels
<shevy>
None is bad?
<bougyman>
None isn't bad.
<bougyman>
it's very limited in scope, though
<bougyman>
nil is bad.
<bougyman>
tell me you haven't seen a "no method Blah on NilClass" before
<bougyman>
a hundred or so times.
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<bougyman>
None returns None for any non existing method
<workmad3>
shevy: there have also been some eye-tracking studies under those circumstances that show the first thing people do when going to a method is (unsurprisingly) look at the declaration for an indication of how to call it :D
<ljarvis>
ah yes, null, the billion dollar mistake
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<shevy>
my apps aren't worth a billion dollars yet!
<bougyman>
make None more like /dev/null than /dev/zero
<bougyman>
er it makes
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<ljarvis>
some/none pattern seems to be very popular and getting moreso with new languages
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<jhass>
crystals nil defines very few methods, so you can't invoke stuff on it if it's a potential nil
<jhass>
makes you handle the nil cases
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<ljarvis>
i have enough of that with all of the go code i write
<ljarvis>
:D
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<havenwood>
mmm
<jhass>
well, it also makes you write code that returns less nils ;)
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<bougyman>
jhass: yeah, that's what i've notice, you just avoid it.
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<bougyman>
coding without nils/nulls isn't hard, when it isn't hard.
<geggam>
might be a silly question but im asking anyway... is there anyway to have ruby limit the amount of memory it uses... or do I need to do that with the system ?
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<bougyman>
they can't show up unexpectedly, that is.
<bougyman>
only expectedly.
<geggam>
like with the jvm i can allocate memory
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<dudedudeman>
it's supposed to give you instructions on how to approach a test, but... it just gives me out put like "SESSS"
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<zenspider>
skip, error, skip, skip, skip
<zenspider>
fix the error, go address the skips (if applicable)
<jhass>
which exercise?
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<zenspider>
the error will have output a message and a backtrace
<zenspider>
find the backtrace part of YOUR code. that's where the problem is
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<jhass>
ah right minitest
<jhass>
lol, didn't recognize that
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<bonhoeffer>
is there a way to wget a webpage html and show all tags that match <h1></h1>
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<jhass>
bonhoeffer: combine net/http and nokogiri
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<Ox0dea>
jhass: Opposed on principle to open-uri?
<Kortes>
hey guys
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<jhass>
Ox0dea: I'm mixed, net/http actually does provide simple APIs too
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<jhass>
so it's a layer of abstraction that hides stuff
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<drbrain>
I'd just use mechanize because it combines net/http and nokogiri pretty nicely
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<bonhoeffer>
jhass will check out
<Kortes>
im making my own method to check if a number is a prime, in it i push a value into an array, is there any way i can make it a recursive method and pass that array ( with all values pushed ) to each call as a lambda?
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<Kortes>
so with each new recursive call, i can compare the number with all values that i have pushed into the array?
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<centrx>
!code
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<jhass>
centrx: !=? ;)
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<shevy>
Kortes our channel bot centrx wants you to show code on a pastie
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<centrx>
I eat electricity for breakfast
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<shevy>
and cats
<Kortes>
like: if this number passes test 1 , arr << number . then, if number doesnt pass next test, recurse_method(testvar) { arr }
<Kortes>
ok
<jhass>
Kortes: that lambda stuff in your questions sets me off, but ruby is pass by reference if that means anything to you
<dudedudeman>
zenspider: hmm, i get that. i guess it's weird as when I first did this on my personal computer at home, it gave me text/instructions? now i just get the skips and such
<dudedudeman>
and jhass, at this point, it's just the first exercise. i'm just trying to replicate exactly where I was at before installing it on this machien
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<shevy>
uh oh
<shevy>
dudedudeman is installing something
<dudedudeman>
bro, i break things so easily. it's like, gem install dudedudeman would literally break the world
<shevy>
dudedudeman I should add a gem with that name :)
<dudedudeman>
don't! I wanted to. lol
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<miah>
ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'dudedudeman' (>= 0) in any repository
<miah>
so sad
<frank_o>
Hi! I'm trying to load some items from this external API in the background and save to database. When done, show them to the client using Ajax. But why am I getting `Couldn't find Affiliate with 'id'=` when I specified `find(params[:url])`? https://gist.github.com/dt1973/b57d84bf39a75ea47e9b
<dudedudeman>
huh. there is however, a gem called 'dude'. and i just installed it. and... i have no clue what it is
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<dudedudeman>
so there's that
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<shevy>
hmm are you sure you have to use a lambda Kortes?
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<frank_o>
dfockler: hope its ok i quoted you in that gist, its just tmp though
<jhass>
^ I think you just meant to pass the primes array along
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<shevy>
I like your comments:
<zenspider>
dudedudeman: what do you mean by text/instructions ?
<shevy>
end # ?
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<Twitter297>
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<Kortes>
shevy - what other way could i have the varr available to all future recursive calls?
<zenspider>
what part are you doing/running?
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<jhass>
Kortes: primes=[] in your method definition
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<jhass>
you don't need to closure, just pass it along
<zenspider>
I wasn't fast enough on the ban
<Kortes>
ahhhhhh!!!!
<Kortes>
as aparameter?
<jhass>
yes
<Kortes>
youre awesome
<Kortes>
thanks
<jhass>
zenspider: funny, I got that host klined for a day
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<dudedudeman>
zenspider: the very first time i worked through the first example, after setting it up, i would run the test, and it would give me a message talking a little bit about the error and such, and like, a pointer on where to look/what to fix next. so as i would complete a failing test, it would move on and tell me something else
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<zenspider>
dudedudeman: exercism? I don't think so...
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<Kortes>
exercism kicks ass
<zenspider>
are you sure you're not confusing it with the ruby koans or something?
<Kortes>
i love that site
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<dudedudeman>
zenspider: i promise it was exercism. :(
<dudedudeman>
and zenspider, please don't feel like you have to go through a bunch of poking with it for my account.
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<dudedudeman>
to hook up the cli to your exercism account, it being exercism, gives you an API key that you plug in with exercism configure --key="api key from site"
<zenspider>
how in the FUCK do you use this thing now?
<zenspider>
dudedudeman: yeah. I can't replicate. sorry.
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<baweaver>
'evening
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<crowell>
hi
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<colin_>
is there a ruby equivilant to the python timedelta object? I would like to work in time units such as days...
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<kinduff>
So I'm planning this online service to lookup things. The idea is not important, but what I'm looking for is an advice to start it. I'm going to make a webapp and probably mobile apps too. So I was thinking instead of starting with a web MVP, start writing a REST API that first resolves the problem and creates the infrastructure I'm looking to build. After that, release the versions I want. For example a web app, mobile app, ect.
<kinduff>
Is that a good idea?
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<dfockler>
And that's how you get Space Dolphins
<dfockler>
oops wrong channel :P
<baweaver>
colin_: activesupport defines a lot of it from Rails
<baweaver>
kinduff: #RubyOnRails should be able to get you set there
<baweaver>
Rails can make an API very very rapidly.
<baweaver>
as well as defining json responses with jbuilders to take care of alternate clients
<baweaver>
then you can either use Rails views for your web frontend or some type of javascript frontend framework like Angular or Ember
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