<jfarmer>
meatchicken Instance methods defined in the Kernel module are available everywhere because the Kernel module is included in Object.
<jfarmer>
In fact, if you look at the source code for MRI, when you define a "global" method what really happens is that a new method gets defined on the Kernel module.
<jfarmer>
Not sure if that answers your question; not 100% sure what your question was :)
<meatchicken>
jfarmer, thanks
<meatchicken>
so a binding will have all context yeah?
<meatchicken>
is that "safe" to pass around?
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<jfarmer>
It won't have all context; it will have the context where it was initialized.
<jfarmer>
And yes it's safe
<meatchicken>
jfarmer, Got it
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<martin290>
hey everyone
<Aeyrix>
hi
<martin290>
quick question
<martin290>
is ruby on rails a good language to make web apps in?
<Aeyrix>
There are over 900 people in here that are probably biased.
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<sevenseacat>
ruby is the language. ruby on rails is a web framework written in that language.
<martin290>
what i want to make is pretty simple, i just don't have any experience in ruby
<martin290>
ah, yes, sorry
<martin290>
i come from a c# background
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<Aeyrix>
martin290: Depending on how simple, it may be better to roll with Sinatra.
<Aeyrix>
It's also in Ruby, but is a much smaller framework.
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<martin290>
i currently have a web host for linux and i don't want to change to a windows server to program in c#
<martin290>
Sinatra, got it
<Aeyrix>
If you want to use a DB, that's generally the mark where I'd start using Rails instead of Sinatra.
<martin290>
yeah, the app will use a db
<Aeyrix>
Alright, probably better to run on rails then, in my opinion.
<martin290>
in a nutshell, it's going to be an app for landscapers to track/maintain their equipment
<Aeyrix>
Okay.
<martin290>
it's pretty simple, but i can see it being tweaked a lot
<martin290>
and have things added to it, etc.
<martin290>
i noticed there's always like 2x more people on there than in the c# channel
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<Aeyrix>
The C# people are busy debugging their ASP.NET.
<sevenseacat>
why do people want to mislead the newbies
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<nofxx>
is rubymotion related to ruboto?
<sevenseacat>
no.
<MrJiks>
nofxx: No
<nofxx>
it was nice, but android only
<martin290>
wait i think i get it
<MrJiks>
Its a commercial tool chain.
<MrJiks>
Its the same guy who did macruby.
<martin290>
it's programmed like a web app but runs locally on the machine
<martin290>
right?
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<nofxx>
martin290, yup
<MrJiks>
Apple decided to stop supporting macruby and he went & built a company for providing macruby for iOS
<martin290>
wow
<martin290>
that is AMAZING
<martin290>
that reminds me of WPF (XAML)
<martin290>
and this is done using ruby??!!!
<sevenseacat>
no.
<sevenseacat>
like i said, misleading the newbies.
<MrJiks>
martin290: Its possible that if you learn this language you can reuse the knowledge elsewhere probably better than any other language out there.
<MrJiks>
sevenseacat: what you mean?
<nofxx>
MrJiks, when I was a teenager I dreamed a day apple would release darwin, and everybody would use some nice linux friendly and beautiful distro, and we'll get rid of windows
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<sevenseacat>
electron and the ilk aren't ruby projects.
<nofxx>
now android is the problem.. and apple is a bitch
<martin290>
lol
<MrJiks>
sevenseacat: I never mentioned electron as Ruby
<sevenseacat>
this is a ruby channel.
<MrJiks>
sevenseacat: I just mentioned it as someone was asking about it but couldn't remember its name.
<nofxx>
sevenseacat, I mentioned it's JS, but you could write coffee and rake tasks... or OPAL hehe
<sevenseacat>
rake *is* a ruby project
<MrJiks>
Yes, Opal is the next one I wanted to mention to martin290
<sevenseacat>
so is opal, but the rest arent
<MrJiks>
check opalrb.org
<sevenseacat>
but in all honesty, you're introducing an incredibly complex toolchain here
<sevenseacat>
for a very simple question
<martin290>
looks really cool
<martin290>
i'm pretty new to the web world
<martin290>
but the ability to use "web languages" for a desktop app is awesome
<MrJiks>
sevenseacat: well if you are very happy with Ruby; I think Rubymotion is the best way to build iOS/Android apps
<martin290>
oh nice
<sevenseacat>
i don't, but okay.
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<sevenseacat>
has nothing to do with any question asked :P
<nofxx>
what we all agree is that more ruby the better =D
<MrJiks>
martin290: Yes! You should try the new Atom editor to see how good the app can be; its now touted as the flagship product with the technology.
<MrJiks>
nofxx: :):)
<sevenseacat>
it works most of the time
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<sevenseacat>
just hope you have a beefy computer :)
<MrJiks>
Frankly, totally in love with you it.
<Aeyrix>
you what
<martin290>
laptop, not so beefy
<martin290>
desktop.... pretty beefy lol
<martin290>
on laptop now
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<MrJiks>
sevenseacat: Its not that performance hog; unless you want to run a huge rails app.
<sevenseacat>
what?
<martin290>
is it as big of a bog as visual studio?
<stoodfarback>
cina: Same. `?a` creates String "a"
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<stoodfarback>
cina: It was slightly useful in 1.8. Can't think of any reason to use it now.
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<cina>
stoodfarback: thank you! why was it useful in 1.8? or, why is it not useful anymore?
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<stoodfarback>
cina: In 1.8, `"aoeu"[0]` would return the ascii code as an integer, instead of "a". `?a` would do the same, so you could do `"aoeu"[0] == ?a`
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<cina>
stoodfarback: interesting, thank you! I found it in ruby's REXML::Parsers, in a conditions like the one you described: `@source.buffer[0] == ?<`
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<Ox0dea>
cina: I suppose you could think of it as a "character literal", but it's really just a single-character string.
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<cina>
Ox0dea: thanks! it's one less character to type compared to 'a' ;)
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<Ox0dea>
cina: Indeed. It's considered "bad" by some, but I happen to like it; it's a useful visual distinction even if the underlying semantics are the same.
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<cina>
Ox0dea: it is probably considered bad because not everyone knows about it, but maybe it could also be useful because it only works with a single character and raises a SyntaxError if you mistype more characters
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<sevenseacat>
though to be fair, Ruby was optimized for programmer happiness, and Ox0dea appears to be pretty happy.
<Aeyrix>
def numbers_containing_digits
<Aeyrix>
All numbers contain digits.
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<Ox0dea>
sevenseacat: I certainly get a kick out of it.
<Aeyrix>
Same.
<Nilium>
Not all numbers contain digits
<Ox0dea>
Aeyrix: That Ruby comfortably occupies both extremes of the spectrum is part of what makes it the best language, in my opinion.
<sevenseacat>
i doesn't contain digits.
<Nilium>
This makes it very hard to express you as a number.
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<sevenseacat>
exactly.
<Nilium>
So, this weekend was kind of a wash as far as productivity goes.
<Ox0dea>
Wow, I'm only just realizing I could be using all sorts of wacky Unicode symbols as variable names instead of just underscores.
<Nilium>
The only thing I've managed to do is create a portable dev environment on an encrypted SD card
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<Aeyrix>
Ox0dea: Use emoji.
<Nilium>
So, like, I put in the SD card, mount it, source a profile on it in my shell, and good to go.
<Ox0dea>
Aeyrix: Emoji are on their way to being considered "words", so the non-alphanumeric contract has the potential to break.
<sevenseacat>
Nilium: more than I managed to accomplish.
<sevenseacat>
I wrote like, one test for my Elixir app.
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<Nilium>
I still need to play with Elixir.
<Nilium>
I haven't touched it since it was really, really new
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* baweaver
is disecting the code
<Nilium>
Honestly would never have had a use for anything like that before I got my job. Now I'm the backend server guy and I'm just going "oh boy look at all the tools I have reasons to play with now."
<sevenseacat>
I don't really have a real use for it, apart from 'hey they made a web framework. let's build web shit'
<Nilium>
And then I have to stop myself because convincing people to learn to use Scala and Akka or Erlang or something else is just hard.
<Nilium>
But I managed to wedge Go into our codebase, so now it's a permanent fixture.
<Nilium>
Helped that Go drastically outperformed all the backend code written in PHP, which isn't all that surprising.
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<Aeyrix>
Go
<Aeyrix>
more like
<Aeyrix>
Go away
<Aeyrix>
:^)
<Nilium>
Go hate is very popular lately. It's kind of weird.
<Ox0dea>
$ go fuck /proc/self
<Nilium>
Like, there are two popular forms of blog post: one is where people complain about the same thing as everyone else in Go, and the other is where people praise the same thing as everyone else in Go
<Aeyrix>
$ go fuck
<Aeyrix>
go: unknown subcommand "fuck"
<Aeyrix>
Makes sense that go devs have no idea how to fornicate. :^)
<Ox0dea>
Aeyrix: "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
<Nilium>
And they're both equally uninteresting, and yet they frequently make it to the top of hacker news and reddit as though they were somehow insightful
<Aeyrix>
Okay banter aside, I dislike Go because I find some of its syntax a little weird.
<baweaver>
Aeyrix: fsck?
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<Nilium>
I like Go because I find its syntax to be completely boring
<Nilium>
To the point that you can't even have code style arguments about Go code
<Nilium>
Everything's just kind of settled and chill and I can go about my day writing code
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<Ox0dea>
`go fmt` deserves the praise there, though, not the syntax itself.
<Nilium>
Which is a far cry from what I have to do when I'm maintaining node.js stuff or PHP stuff
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<Nilium>
Ox0dea: A bit of both, really. gofmt benefits a lot from the syntax being really dumb and simple.
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<Nilium>
To the point that tools to parse Go come with Go, so if you want to mechanically modify Go code for some reason, it's pretty easy
<Nilium>
It's not Lisp, but it beats trying to find tools to parse code for just about anything else
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<Nilium>
But yeah, anyway, just wins on dumb simplicity for me.
<noethics>
gosucks
<baweaver>
down to it pushing z to an empty string
<Ox0dea>
baweaver: That's at least halfway there.
<Nilium>
Thinking is hard, I could stand to do less of it.
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<baweaver>
PID / PID to get one, well played
<baweaver>
at least you didn't have to church numeral it
<Nilium>
I'd try drinking more but it doesn't really stop me from thinking. ಠ_ಠ
<Ox0dea>
Nilium: Alcohol is like regular expressions.
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<Nilium>
That might explain the over-abundance of both from some of the web devs I work with
<baweaver>
the longer you use them the more confusing it becomes, and the worse it is the next morning
<cina>
Ox0dea: how/where do I learn to write code like you did, or the ->{}[] lambda syntax you mentioned?
<Nilium>
No, never ask how to do that
<Ox0dea>
^
<baweaver>
^^
<sevenseacat>
^^^
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<Aeyrix>
^^^^
<Nilium>
^^^^^
<Oka>
. |
<Oka>
Now it's a tree!
<Nilium>
Oh no, it's happening again
<Ox0dea>
Y'all're good people.
<Ox0dea>
We can count higher than /b/, at any rate.
<Nilium>
I have drank just enough tonight that everything is hilarious.
<Nilium>
So that helps.
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<cina>
lol I don't the joke, but your responses were funny
<cina>
I don't get* the...
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<Aeyrix>
cina: Seriously, you don't want to learn how to do that.
<Aeyrix>
Primarily because it's useless. :P
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<cina>
Aeyrix: okay, I wouldn't want to do that in real projects, but I was hoping I would learn a couple of new things along the way
<Aeyrix>
*shrugs* fair enough
<Aeyrix>
no idea though, i don't do that sort of thing
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<Nilium>
All of it comes down to iterating over the code while asking "how can I make this run using one line and look funky?"
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<sevenseacat>
now to get that in non-alpha form? :P
<Ox0dea>
sevenseacat: You know me too well.
<sevenseacat>
;)
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<apeiros>
binding.receiver returns self in the binding? i.e. we can stop using binding.eval("self") now?
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<Ox0dea>
That does seem to be the case.
<apeiros>
good, good
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<baweaver>
well, bed for me. 'night
<sevenseacat>
see ya dood
<Ox0dea>
Au revoir.
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<Aeyrix>
Ciao mate. :)
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<que__>
guys need a bit help with ruby. http://paste.ofcode.org/386sDdfnbU3N3Mfh3PjzVxg -- this is a part of code of software i am using. and Problem is it should refresh the file and load it . as i test it nothing is refreshed. my question is there is first if statment IF something does it work ? it gives true false return ? can You look at the code and say something about it might be i am missing it
<codecodecode123>
havenwood: i didn't ask that, but thanks for correcting my code :)
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<Ox0dea>
codecodecode123: You can "mix in" Enumerable into any class that defines a suitable #each method and automagically add all sorts of additionally functionality.
<jfarmer>
codecodecode123 If you post code, be prepared to get feedback on all of it.
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<Ox0dea>
codecodecode123: The same goes for Comparable and #<=>.
<havenwood>
que__: `return` returns early from the method *if* the return value of the #filter? method with `event` as an argument is anything but `false` or `nil`.
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<codecodecode123>
jfarmer thanks for the protip XD
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<que__>
havenwood: ok thx.
<codecodecode123>
0x0dea so i add more code when i do that?
<Ox0dea>
codecodecode123: You *receive* code.
<Ox0dea>
Think on that.
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<havenwood>
que__: oh, it's `unless` not `if` so if it is `false` or `nil` - i said it backwards
<jfarmer>
codecodecode123 I don't know how familiar you are with the various Enumerable methods like map, reduce, select, find, etc.
<que__>
so as i said at beggining. if it is empty it wont go futher ?
<codecodecode123>
0x0dea oh, but that disagrees my slogan, "That code doesn't write itself!"
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<Ox0dea>
codecodecode123: Welcome to metaprogramming.
<Ox0dea>
Only the term isn't strictly applicable in this case.
<codecodecode123>
thanks for the soft welcome
<havenwood>
que__: Is it making it to line 151 or returning early on live 150 because `filter?(event)` is `nil` or `false`?
<codecodecode123>
jfarmer: i only see them as useful methods, nothing else.
<jfarmer>
codecodecode123 Sure. They're all implemented in the Enumerable module.
<que__>
havenwood: as You see it is plugin. i have no idea what is going on inside
<jfarmer>
And if you have a class that implements its own "each" method, you can include the Enumerable module and get map, reduce, select, find, etc. automatically
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<jfarmer>
All Enumerable requires is that the including class implement each; everything in the module is implemented in terms of each.
<jfarmer>
That's more the "power" of modules.
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<apeiros>
jfarmer: I think .size has been added too
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<havenwood>
que__: I don't know the context of how you're using this or what the problem is. It could be returning early, sure. Or skipping because the @refresh_interval hasn't been exceeded.
<codecodecode123>
most coders are software bot programmers then, they write code that auto-completes itself, AT RUNTIME (well before that).
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<pontiki>
hi
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<konsolebox>
hi. anyone knows what could cause a child process you try to terminatee to defunct? I'm out of energy to examine the cause of this, so I'd be grateful if someone could give some ideas or tips
<konsolebox>
i'm using the methods in Process btw
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<konsolebox>
Ox0dea: btw, i was able to apply a good workaround to Readline. tell me if you're interested to see the code :) thanks again for the help yesterday btw
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<Ox0dea>
konsolebox: You should be able to invoke Process.wait in the parent to kill the zombie.
<Ox0dea>
And yes, I'd love to see how you managed it.
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<_mh_>
konsolebox: defunct means your parent failed to collect it once it's terminated (usually wait/waitpid missing in the parent)
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<konsolebox>
i see i actually only used Process.waitpid2 and never invoked Process.wait
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<Ox0dea>
konsolebox: Just about as gnarly as might've been expected, but well done.
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<konsolebox>
or to be exact, i only do `while (pid, status = Process.waitpid2(@pid, Process::WNOHANG)).nil?` to check if a process still exists. but Process.wait was actually needed for it
<konsolebox>
Ox0dea: yeah, it would get better time to time :)
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<Ox0dea>
konsolebox: I'm only half-joking in suggesting line = `read -ep '> ' f; echo $f`.
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<Ox0dea>
Okay, 90% jest; shelling out for each line of input is bad.
<konsolebox>
Ox0dea: actually my original code works with Bash :) and it does use read.
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<Ox0dea>
I've never seen a clean way to convert escaped literals to their actual values.
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<apeiros>
literal_parser gem!
<apeiros>
(no idea whether it applies, didn't read backlog - and now break time, brb)
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<Ox0dea>
apeiros: How to go from '\n\r\t' to "\n\r\t"?
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<Ox0dea>
I've never seen it done "dynamically"; that is, without resorting to handling it on a case-by-case basis in order to just use the actual literal.
<ruboto>
Ox0dea # => (eval):1: syntax error, unexpected $undefined (SyntaxError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/389096)
<konsolebox>
Ox0dea: that's one i'm trying to simplify as well
<Ox0dea>
konsolebox: #gsub with a Hash is arguably a bit nicer.
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<Ox0dea>
bnagy: Did I not do that right?
<bnagy>
no, it doesn't work :/
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<konsolebox>
Ox0dea: i actually tend to avoid eval unless necessary.. it significantly slows things down, most of the time... at least i don't want to use it on a char-by-char parser
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<Ox0dea>
konsolebox: No, I would never suggest such a thing.
<Ox0dea>
I just want to see if it's feasible.
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<Ox0dea>
que__: You have a nil where the code is expecting something it can call + on.
<que__>
;/ damn how can i now find it. ehhhh
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<Ox0dea>
You should use a debugger, but if you're feeling silly, you could define nil.+(foo), and maybe the value of foo will point you in the right direction.
<que__>
Ox0dea: so it is only error from there ?
<que__>
it is from debugging mode
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<Ox0dea>
Then you should be able to inspect your variables and determine which one is nil when it oughtn't be.
<que__>
Ox0dea: that would be great if the program had only one rb file.
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<que__>
and it is not mine. i am just a simple sys adm.
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<pontiki>
que__: you'll probably have to direct your question to the program's authors :((
<apeiros>
it's incomplete, though. there's escape sequences it doesn't handle.
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<Ox0dea>
que__: Are you able to say which is more likely the offending Hash, @sincedb or @statcache?
<Ox0dea>
apeiros: Ah, literal_parser lives up to its name.
<Ox0dea>
It does seem #gsub's Hash form is the best approach, then.
<apeiros>
Ox0dea: I explicitly didn't want to use eval. it uses it to resolve constants, but that can be disabled and the pattern is verified :)
<que__>
the only thing i figure out is this - > when change in the file to longer text for expample aaa:bbb to aaaa:bbb all is ok when aa:bbb it crashes.
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<Ox0dea>
apeiros: Would const_get not suffice?
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<apeiros>
before 2.1 (or 2.2?) const_get could not handle nested constants. using each/inject to get "deep" constants was slower than eval.
<apeiros>
with 2.1/2.2 I might do a polyfill
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<Ox0dea>
Yep, makes sense. I ran into the same when trying to dynamically test my named unicode literals thing.
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<apeiros>
a version using inject might even be burried in the git history :)
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<apeiros>
Ox0dea: oh wow, just actually read the code. it's obviously older than hash form of gsub :D
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<apeiros>
(I doubt I wanted to be backwards compatible - I'd certainly have branched the code based on capability)
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<sevenseacat>
I find these kinds of fundraisers uncomfortable.
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<sevenseacat>
why do people need to give you money for you to do good works?
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<BrianBoyko>
Because I don't have money.
<BrianBoyko>
...and I can't do the good works without the education, and I can't get the education without money.
<BrianBoyko>
I mean, that 100 hour pledge - I'd probably volunteer that much anyway, but the difference between volunteering with specialized knowledge and volunteering without it.
<sevenseacat>
so borrow some?
* apeiros
now wonders how many hours he spent helping people
<ddv>
BrianBoyko: there are tons of resources you can for free
<ddv>
+find
<canton7>
wouldn't it be a safer investment for us to fund someone who already has proven knowledge and experience?
<sevenseacat>
apeiros: and to think, you could have been getting paid for it this whole time.
<apeiros>
I suspect 100h doesn't even hit close to home :D
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<bnagy>
haha broken https _b
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<bnagy>
wow, that is beyond a trainwreck in chrome o_0
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<apeiros>
if you'd assume an average of 1h per week (which is probably very conservative), I'd be around 500h now. but I guesstimate it's more in the ballpark of 1000-2000h (mind you, I'm much less active nowadays than what I've been)
<BrianBoyko>
Canton7: Well, someone with proven knowledge and experience doesn't need the education. On the other hand, I've had proven talent. (Okay, my Ruby sucks, but still.)
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<BrianBoyko>
Borrowing isn't an option.
<BrianBoyko>
bnagy: What do you mean broken https?
<apeiros>
BrianBoyko: I don't judge you. if people think it's a great idea to donate to you and you keep your promise - awesome.
<BrianBoyko>
Thanks.
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<BrianBoyko>
I mean, this isn't my first crowdfunding project. Just the first one where I'm asking for money for my education rather than for another person's cause. I raised $11M once. Didn't get to keep any of it, but still..
<sevenseacat>
I don't judge *you*, but I find the idea distasteful. You'll probably get your goal, and good on you for it.
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<apeiros>
hm
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<apeiros>
I'm actually a fan of something which does that in an institutionalized manner: http://www.vittana.org
<apeiros>
it's part of my reserved yearly donation budget
<bnagy>
BrianBoyko: my chrome doesn't trust your root cert
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<BrianBoyko>
whaaaaaat?
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<BrianBoyko>
Can you give me a log of what it's saying?
<sevenseacat>
apeiros: I like that.
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<bnagy>
oh, it's comodo. haha :<
<BrianBoyko>
I'm using Cloudflare's SSL, I know it's not perfect...
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<maloik>
you're putting in 100 hours for like 12k, rails girls summer of code raised 10x that for 15000 hours (rough estimate)
<sevenseacat>
100 hours is like two, three weeks of work
<sevenseacat>
I doubt anyone here makes 12k for three weeks of work
<maloik>
16 teams of 2, 3 months, 30 hours per week... 11520
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<BrianBoyko>
maloik: I think you're missing the point. I'm probably going to be putting in more than 100 hours. The point is that it sets a precident - anyone who wants to recieve a scholarship *after* me has to do *at least* that.
<maloik>
and they're probably putting in more time in a week
<bnagy>
BrianBoyko: welp, some portion of users will not be able to visit your site
<yorickpeterse>
That money is used for much more than just paying students
<maloik>
yorickpeterse: I know, but that just works in my favor
<sevenseacat>
meh, I've said my piece.
<maloik>
or well in favor of the point I'm trying to make
<yorickpeterse>
didn't really follow, what's the tl;dr?
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<yorickpeterse>
besides "lol scroll up"
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<adaedra>
lol scroll down
<maloik>
BrianBoyko is raising money to send him to bootcamp (12k USD?) and promises to work 100 hours pro bono for a non profit
<maloik>
so I responded, RGSoC is imo a much better investment
<maloik>
if you look at it purely logically like that
<BrianBoyko>
Well, I'm also promising to pay the money forward for at least 12k * 105% to someone else.
<yorickpeterse>
I'd rather donate to some well established organization than an individual
<maloik>
^
<yorickpeterse>
RGSoC is less likely to blow it on crack, cars and hookers
<maloik>
:D
<ljarvis>
it's not inconceivable
<yorickpeterse>
It's possible yes, but unlikely
<BrianBoyko>
If I blew it on crack, cars, and hookers, I'd be prosecuted for fraud.
<yorickpeterse>
No you wouldn't
<yorickpeterse>
Because nobody would sue you
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<yorickpeterse>
Plus donations don't come with any warranty/requirements IIRC
<sevenseacat>
given you're not on one of the crowdfunding sites, likely not.
<sevenseacat>
you're asking for donations, not backers.
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<BrianBoyko>
This probably isn't helping the point, but if I wanted to scam people out of money, there are much easier and less risky ways of doing it.
<yorickpeterse>
tell that to 80% of all kickstarter projects
<ljarvis>
im convinced
<maloik>
BrianBoyko: I think if money is the only problem, you may as well find an unpaid internship to learn
<yorickpeterse>
Either way, it will be very hard as an individual to get the money, no matter how honest
<ljarvis>
hey i just realised i have today off work
<ljarvis>
buh bye
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. you might really want to achieve something, but unless you're well known you're sadly not going to get far
<yorickpeterse>
Also as an individual the question I'd ask: why me instead of the millions of others?
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<BrianBoyko>
Because I have a track record of being trusted and living up to that trust with large sums of money before, because I have a track record of working for reform, and because I'm asking politely. Don't get me wrong, there are TONS of individuals in need of help. That's why I'm not taking the money and keeping it, I'm paying it forward.
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<yorickpeterse>
Not trying to be an ass, but most will counter that with
<yorickpeterse>
fk
<yorickpeterse>
with "Yeah everybody else says that too"
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. I could say "Pay me 100k and I'll do something cool and totally not spend in on cat hats"
<yorickpeterse>
"because I know how to handle money you can trust me"
<yorickpeterse>
fuck, I wouldn't mind blowing 100k on funny cat hats
<BrianBoyko>
No, not everyone else says that. When I say I have a track record with being responsible with large sums of "not-mine" money, I mean it.
<BrianBoyko>
Think about it.
<yorickpeterse>
The point is still, why you? Why not some kid from a poor country?
<yorickpeterse>
"I know how to handle money" is like the worst argument
<BrianBoyko>
No, not "I know how to handle money."
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<BrianBoyko>
It's "I have been shown to have been trustworthy with a far greater sum when the oppertunity presented itself to be dishonest."
<txdv>
what the fuck is a cat hat
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<yorickpeterse>
txdv: a hat for a cat
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<yorickpeterse>
let me get an example
<BrianBoyko>
It's a cat shaped like a hat, or a hat shaped like a cat, or a hat for a cat, or a cat for a hat.
<yorickpeterse>
I wonder if different bird species can understand each other
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<yorickpeterse>
or if it just sounds like a bunch of drunks
<sevenseacat>
I want to write something articulate about how distasteful I find that crowdsourcing stuff, but given how prevalent it is these days, would probably get myself in trouble
<sevenseacat>
crowdfunding, rather
<connor_goodwolf>
curious, what happened to #ruby-lang? :)
<sevenseacat>
it merged in with us here in #ruby
<yorickpeterse>
jhass brutally forced us to merge
<connor_goodwolf>
interesting
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<connor_goodwolf>
A good thing I suppose, though just be careful of the old ops, some of them hold grudges.
<jhass>
meh, and already another week we didn't survive without the question
<yorickpeterse>
:P
<connor_goodwolf>
jhass: I didn't pay attention to it until someone lazy tabbed my name
<connor_goodwolf>
then I seen the /title
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<apeiros>
sevenseacat: I actually once made 10k for 2h of work :D (contractor wanted 40k for it, we couldn't do it internally so I offered to do it in my spare time for 1/4th the price… and we had much less overhead too - no custom server setup for the stuff, full integration in our existing apps)
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<apeiros>
granted, I added 6h more of work to add unspecified stuff because I felt a little guilty :D
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<connor_goodwolf>
apeiros: business is business, never feel guilty
<apeiros>
connor_goodwolf: honestly, I found the contractor should feel guilty asking 40k for something which took me 2h…
<yorickpeterse>
businesses would be so much better if you'd get money without customers
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<yorickpeterse>
our business basically revolves around "WHERE ARE MY GOSH DARN REVIEWS????1111"
<yorickpeterse>
"THIS OTHER COMPETITOR HAS THEM!!!"
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<connor_goodwolf>
apeiros: when Summly sold there were quite a few people, even those who I thought were peers but in reality they were far below me, say things like: "They're just bolt-on engineers", "you don't deserve the money after only 18 months work, I spent 5 years on my startup and it went nowhere." etc etc
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<connor_goodwolf>
apeiros: so pretty much, consider t business is buiness
<yorickpeterse>
"THIS OTHER COMPETITOR HAS DATA FIELD X" "but it doesn't exist in that service" "BUT THEY HAVE ITT!!!"
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<connor_goodwolf>
apeiros: when you keep on doing what you did, you'll feel more accomplished, there's a word for it what you experienced
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<yorickpeterse>
Ah thanks, I'll fix it later today
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<consmans>
Heya all, I am making a study on the governance of ruby and it would be nice if there would be someone to fill the gaps of what I have found out
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<[k->
I <3 the cmdline
<[k->
it allows me to do things mac gui doesnt allow me to
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<yorickpeterse>
[k-: fixed
<yorickpeterse>
:P
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<[k->
:P
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<[k->
yorickpeterse: did you mean `Corrected "explici" typo`?
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<[k->
huehuehue
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<consmans>
Is it correctly understood that anyone can join the Ruby core and that in order for my branch to be merged, I have to "just" create a ticket?
<[k->
so you made a typo when correcting a typo XD
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<yorickpeterse>
Yeah lets not even go there
<yorickpeterse>
it was totally planned
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<shevy>
consmans no idea how to become part of the inner circle; if you know the japanese language and look like a ninja then the chances are surely great
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<sevenseacat>
contribute a lot, and you'll probably be given commit access.
<consmans>
lol I am far from then :(
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<bougyman>
good luck learning japanese.
<sevenseacat>
if you're asking these questions, yeah.
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<bougyman>
when I started learning ruby there was almost no english documentation.
<bougyman>
manveru: did you ever learn to read/write it?
<manveru>
もちろんです
<yorickpeterse>
on nice, this one website has <a .... onmouseover=lump-of-javascript-without-quotes>
<yorickpeterse>
I hate HTML
<bougyman>
I assume that's a yes :)
<shevy>
yorickpeterse would you like HTML more without javascript?
<yorickpeterse>
Yes
<shevy>
:)
<yorickpeterse>
the world would be much easier
<yorickpeterse>
Well, HTML without inline Javascript
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<[k->
if you write a patch, you are a contributor
<[k->
if you maintain/improve the stdlib, you are a commiter
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<yorickpeterse>
maintaining stdlib requires you to deal with the mess that is stdlib
<[k->
huehuehue
<consmans>
:S
<jhass>
can I adopt some stdlib maintenance by removing it?
<[k->
you can look through the page you linked and you can see trends
<yorickpeterse>
jhass: no code is the best code
<consmans>
can anyone maintain the stdlib or do you have to be given "access"
<consmans>
?
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<[k->
jhass: then you are not maintaining
<yorickpeterse>
hm, that doesn't sound right
<yorickpeterse>
The best code is no code
<yorickpeterse>
better
<yorickpeterse>
consmans: you can request it
<[k->
once you remove it, you dont have anything to maintain
<[k->
the best code is code that is not there
<[k->
so you dont have any chance to do anything wrong!
<consmans>
so hierarchically from bottom to top it would be: contributor - commiter - maintainer
<consmans>
?
<[k->
i think commiter & maintainers are the same
<consmans>
ah ok!
<consmans>
is there anything more than that?
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<[k->
you should look through the list again for more trends :S
<yorickpeterse>
there's also "deckhand" and "landlubber"
<[k->
there is also a small team that leads Ruby
<yorickpeterse>
But in all seriousness, usually it's just "maintainers" and "contributors"
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<consmans>
yorickpeterse what are those? also roles?
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<yorickpeterse>
it was a joke
<shevy>
well community maintenance would be nice
<shevy>
if take-over of a project would actually work
<shevy>
most of _why projects have found a new maintainer, no idea how active these are
<consmans>
[k- any more info on the small team that leads Ruby? What are they called e.g.
<maloik>
I'm not up to speed on his projects, I just know shoes is still pretty popular
<maloik>
we always get a couple proposals for talks about Shoes every year
<yorickpeterse>
They're usually referred to as "The Ruby core team"
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<[k->
well, there are 3 people hired by heroku to work on ruby
<yorickpeterse>
maloik: ask if they instead can do talks about sneakers
* yorickpeterse
runs
<maloik>
:D
<yorickpeterse>
I would be the worst conference organization because I'd make bad puns like that all the time
<yorickpeterse>
[k-: we use weird train related names and Japanese mythology
<[k->
i meant those 3 are hired by heroku, but there are others
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<yorickpeterse>
and a few boring ones such as "review-collector"
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<shevy>
consmans they sometimes maintain things or contribute new stuff, so yeah that is true. but I guess it depends on how much they want to maintain things in the first place; usually bug-fixes and such are quick, but other than that, many things don't change for quite a while
<shevy>
consmans have a look at who made the most recent changes to the main ruby:
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<consmans>
I have one more question....
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<consmans>
I can see in the mailing lists that I can joint the ruby core mailing list myself. Does that then give me the right to vote for changes and so on?
<centrx>
Since when are changes decided by vote?
<[k->
i think you would have your opinion heard, and be considered, which somewhats, but not really, counts as a vote
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<[k->
chages arent decided by votes
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<[k->
it might wreck havock
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<[k->
changes*
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<consmans>
hmm i guess you are right there are not votes i can read this:
<consmans>
"
<consmans>
Create a ticket in the issue tracker or email your patch to the Ruby-Core mailing list with a ChangeLog entry describing the patch.
<consmans>
If there are no issues raised about the patch, committers will be given the approval to apply it.
<consmans>
"
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<shevy>
well as long as you don't have a patch
<shevy>
this is a fairly meta discussion :)
<shevy>
"if I'd have a fast car, I could travel to South Dakota by myself!"
<[k->
#ruby on ruby!
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<shevy>
#everyone on [k-!
<adaedra>
shevy: even if I had a car, I couldn't :(
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<consmans>
shevy nope me neither, unless the car dirves over sea
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<depesz>
hi. how can I resolve hostname to ip?
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<jhass>
depesz: stdlib has the resolv library
<depesz>
I seem to be getting some data from Socket.gethostbyname, but the fourth field doesn't look like ip
<depesz>
jhass: thanks, checking
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<shevy>
are you people all dutifully writing more ruby code right now
<adaedra>
I wish I were
<havenwood>
shevy: Boop. Bop. Beep.
<[k->
I am a bot bleep bloop. I do not know anything about ruby
<[k->
?ruby
<ruboto>
I don't know anything about ruby
<[k->
^
<[k->
^
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<consmans>
I am off you guys
<consmans>
Thanks again for the info and discussion
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<consmans>
I will add somthing in the following lines in the paper
<consmans>
"The authors would like to the thank the members of the Ruby community and more specifically the members [k-, shevy, sevenseacat, and yorickpeterse of the Ruby IRC channel for their insightful comments.
<consmans>
"
<consmans>
if that is something that you disagree now is the time to speak
<consmans>
or silence forever
<shevy>
I do not feel worthy to appear in the same sentence with the great sevenseacat cat
<consmans>
:)
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<consmans>
do you want me to remove you from the text?
<[k->
me too
<[k->
me too again
<consmans>
for me this is more an acknowledgement of your time and effort
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<consmans>
nothing more nothing less
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<yorickpeterse>
consmans: fine by me
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<shevy>
consmans yeah I feel not worthy to appear with the others, I'd prefer if you cite others than me :D
<[k->
yorickpeterse likes having his name painted :D
<shevy>
that's good
<consmans>
* I am probably listing the names alphabetically
<shevy>
he had to do XML today so he needs time off
<consmans>
ok so shevy, i remove you from the text right?
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<consmans>
others stay
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<consmans>
shevy pls confirm
<Louis__>
Hi, people. Someone here experient in Rspec?
<[k->
?anyone
<ruboto>
Just ask your question, if anyone has or can, they will respond.
<ivanskie>
uhm.. my brain is drawing a blank here.. whats that ruby server that ppl use with plain ruby? S....
<ivanskie>
sha... something..?
<havenwood>
ivanskie: WEBrick?
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<shevy>
ricky rich!
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<ivanskie>
no not the rails stuff.. but if i want a simple html page with a single ruby file pretty much
<ivanskie>
argh
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<[k->
webrick
<ivanskie>
its at tip of my toung almost but i can't remember lol. when i don't need it i see it everywhere
<havenwood>
ivanskie: WEBrick isn't Rails stuff. It ships with Ruby.
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<[k->
Sinatra？
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<ivanskie>
sinatra yess
<ivanskie>
thank you
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<jhass>
ivanskie: don't call it "ruby server" though, that's wrong
<ivanskie>
oh?
<jhass>
it's a webframework
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<ivanskie>
oh.. oops didn't mean to be ignorant there.... will have to go read more about it then
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<jhass>
not ignorant, just confusing ;P
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<ivanskie>
k maybe sintra is not what i need
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<havenwood>
ivanskie: You could serve your Sinatra app up with WEBrick. Sinatra like Rails is a Rack adapter. WEBrick is one of the Rack webservers that you could serve your Sinatra or Rails app up with, but folk typically use a gem like Puma, Rainbows!, Unicorn, Thin, etc instead of WEBrick.
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<shevy>
ohhh he meant sinatra
<havenwood>
ivanskie: Take a look at the Sinatra docs and see if you're on the right track.
<shevy>
ivanskie there is also padrino
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<[k->
WEBrick is generally avoided as it is only single threaded
<ivanskie>
ah i see.. well what i need actually is something that would run locally. read local csv / exel file (in same directory) and output something in a formatted way that can be printed.
<ivanskie>
will have to run on windows too.
<ivanskie>
right now i just have a console app that i deployed to customer's machine..
<jhass>
does it need to refresh on each request?
<ivanskie>
but they need to be able to print stuff. so my options right now is to continue to try to get it to do an html file.. like with Opal, try to serve it, or output a pdf.
<ivanskie>
hmm maybe.. maybe not
<jhass>
well, vague requirements, then no recommendations
<ivanskie>
it just reads csv file, and collects totals for product lables printed for the day..
<ivanskie>
so yah. now im thinking to either output to plain text, excel file, pdf, or my original thought was to have this work from html file somehow.. or to serve it locally anyway
<ivanskie>
oh? haven't thought of that
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<ivanskie>
if it was up to me.. i think it'd just do a quick rails app to collect all the data, and present it nicely.. but then customer would have to upload each csv file so its like meh..
<ivanskie>
or do it in ember/angular on single html page.. except i suck at JS
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<ivanskie>
aand I tried using Opal.. but seems like it doesn't let you access local files?
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<izzol>
Anyone is using Route53?
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<apeiros>
?anyone izzol
<ruboto>
izzol, Just ask your question, if anyone has or can, they will respond.
<Senjai>
Morning Ruby
<izzol>
I'm looking some gem to manage it from the console. I found route53 gem, but now sure if it's ok yet ;-)
<apeiros>
moin Senjai
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<[k->
apeiros！
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<apeiros>
me!
<apeiros>
hi [k- :)
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<[k->
hello ：）
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<shevy>
izzol don't think many people know that gem
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<adaedra>
how would you do to put a timeout around a job?
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<adaedra>
Derp, there's a timeout module
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<jhass>
adaedra: it would be much much much better for the job to check for the timeout though and quit
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<adaedra>
I'll consider that
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<[k->
many people have expressed dissatisfaction with timeout
<[k->
especially with matters to threading
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<ivanskie>
i know i put CSV.open after i modify counts hash.. but it doesn't matter where I put it. still gives me this error
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<EllisTAA>
what is the ruby off topic channel?
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<shevy>
#ruby !
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<EllisTAA>
lol
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<havenwood>
?ot EllisTAA
<ruboto>
EllisTAA, this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related problems. Thanks!
<EllisTAA>
:)
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<Diabolik>
can anyone help with the simple forms problem?
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<ivanskie>
nevermind looks like i got it
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<centrx>
Diabolik, Is that not a drop-down list (DDL) ?
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<Diabolik>
centrx kind of
<Diabolik>
you know the search bar on firefox
<Diabolik>
how you can select which search engine you want to use
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<shevy>
is there a way to define a meta-gem? I suppose no but I wanted to ask..
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<shevy>
I have like several small gems, all part of ruby-gtk
<shevy>
same namespace too
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<shevy>
I want to keep them separate though, but also allow an install-all action. I guess I could just add a meta-gem that just will include the dependencies of the others?
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<ivanskie>
it won't add any text into cells at all.
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<ivanskie>
i don't understand why. I tried overwriting cell type.. no result.
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<ivanskie>
more specifically... when im adding a row to xslx file.. it builds the worksheets with correct name, adds all the cells, and styles properly..
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<ivanskie>
and populates rows with my numbers.. but it doesnt add text like for my header, or title...
<ivanskie>
i've included the output xlsx file, and sample csv file.
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<Senjai>
baweaver: You get that output with 2.1.6 ?
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<Senjai>
baweaver: I only get an array with a single element
<baweaver>
2.2.2
<baweaver>
and pry will not take it
<baweaver>
remember it plays with underscores
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<shevy>
b_e_a_v_e_r
<shevy>
it makes you appear all bigger with underscores!
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<Senjai>
Yeah I cant get that output on 2.1.6
<Senjai>
err
<Senjai>
yeah
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<ivanskie>
well this is retarded.
<ivanskie>
axlsx is indeed outputting text into cells.
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<ivanskie>
but Numbers app on osx doesn't read it.
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<ivanskie>
excel reads it fine
<Senjai>
baweaver: Congrats dude, that is mega impressive
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<baweaver>
Ox0dea wrote it originally
<baweaver>
just sharing the madness
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<baweaver>
and translating for the non-perl ninjas
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<shevy>
oh perl ninjas
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<shevy>
they are past age 50+ these days now aren't they
* baweaver
knows perl
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<shevy>
hmmm
<shevy>
beavers are immortal, like cats
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<eam>
Diabolik: so looking at line 6, do you understand why it's raising? Why params[:artist_name] is nil?
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<weaksauce>
Diabolik if you watch that short video it will help you immensely
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<graft>
weaksauce: storing processing times for patient samples... needs to be accurate to the quarter-hour probably
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<weaksauce>
graft ah yeah. sounds like an int is good enough®.
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<_blizzy_>
you know you're doing something wrong when you're scattering print statements.
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<punkerplunk>
printing from a thread?
<_blizzy_>
no.
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<punkerplunk>
well, you're not shooting them out of a shotgun
<_blizzy_>
lol.
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<Diabolik>
eam because artist_info isn't a param for rockstar?
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<Diabolik>
or because artists hasn't been instantiated
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<ivanskie>
how can I install 2.1.5 without rbenv or rvm?
<ivanskie>
ruby-install doesn't list 2.1.5 for some reason
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<eam>
Diabolik: yes, likely because that param hasn't been set
<ivanskie>
on osx
<havenwood>
ivanskie: Update ruby-install but 2.1.6 is actually out which you can get without updating: ruby-install ruby 2.1.6 --sha2 1e1362ae7427c91fa53dc9c05aee4ee200e2d7d8970a891c5bd76bee28d28be4
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<ivanskie>
yeah im working with travelling ruby, they want 2.1.5
<ivanskie>
*shrug* looks like its working now that i updated it. thanks
<havenwood>
ivanskie: They ship their own binary.
<ivanskie>
ah good point
<Diabolik>
eam so a private artist_params method would solve it?
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<eam>
Diabolik: params[:artist_name] is what's giving you trouble -- do you know what the params hash is?
<eam>
Diabolik: you should probably take this question over to the ruby on rails channel
<Diabolik>
ok
<Diabolik>
sorry
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<eam>
but, the parameter is nil, so the expression is nil, so #empty? doesn't work
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<jenksy>
454
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<meatchicken>
How come this gives true? (DateTime.now.to_i - 9.days.ago.to_i) < 1.week.ago.to_i
<meatchicken>
I want to check if a "last_opened_at" is less than a week
<meatchicken>
shouldn't my equation check if the difference between now and 9 days ago is less than a week?
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<eam>
meatchicken: why don't you print out each integer value
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<graft>
haha... 1.week.ago is a Time, nto a duration
<graft>
i.e., 1.week.ago.to_i is the number of seconds betwee the epoch and 1 week ago, not the number of seconds in 1 week
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<shevy>
adaedra are you a wise ruby programmer?
<arup_r>
yes he is
<arup_r>
and you shevy ?
<shevy>
nope I am not
<adaedra>
It would be unwise to consider myself wise, I can always be wiser.
<shevy>
I make up for my lack of ingenuity with masses of lines of code
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<arup_r>
I am not good.. in English
<arup_r>
:)
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<adaedra>
English, do you speak it?
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<craysiii>
wat is engels
<highbass>
hey guys... how can i set a default ruby version for root that is different for one of my other users on a server?
<highbass>
i am using rvm
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<havenwood>
highbass: A system install of RVM in /usr/local then?
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<highbass>
havenwood: could you elaborate for me please?
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<havenwood>
highbass: Are you using a recommended single-user install of RVM in your user's home directory ~/.rvm/ or a system install of RVM in the /usr/local directory?
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<havenwood>
~/.rvm/ vs /usr/local/rvm
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<highbass>
looks like which reports /usr/local/rvm/bin/rvm
<highbass>
so i have to reinstall it the other way i guess
<havenwood>
highbass: So likely you installed RVM with sudo or as root.
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<shevy>
hmm an array, we can grab 5 random elements, or just do [0..5]; is there something similar for a hash? I want to display just 5 key->value pairs, does not matter which one (or, the "first" 5, if that would exist)
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<shevy>
oh, actually 0..4 (0,1,2,3,4)
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<weaksauce>
shevy keys.sample(5)
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<havenwood>
_blizzy_: ^ only as portable as ps >.>
<_blizzy_>
havenwood, thanks.
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<havenwood>
_blizzy_: you're welcome
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<ivanskie>
hit quite a roadblock dang it.. have a nice output into an excel file... but i can't transfer the app to windows. cuz nokogiri doesnt like it as is.. argh
<ivanskie>
palmface
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<Senjai>
ivanskie: Of course, nokogiri builds native extensions
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<Senjai>
ivanskie: Meaning it has to be compiled on each machine
<Senjai>
ivanskie: But seriously, don't use windows. All your problems will dissapear ;)
<ivanskie>
yeah. and it doesn't support 2.2.2 on windows
<ivanskie>
yes thats usually my strategy.
<Senjai>
If I had it my way, nothing would support windows :P
<ausec>
how do i read only the first 100 lines of a file in ruby
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<Senjai>
ausec: 100.times do File.readline
<ivanskie>
but in this case.. I can't avoid it. im thinking of maybe doing a rails app with a background task running ruby code connecting to windows share to read my csv files..
<Senjai>
ausec: Make sure you rescue EOF
<ivanskie>
and sticking it into a vm.
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<Senjai>
ivanskie: Why not just have it running on a server. Instead of a VM
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<ivanskie>
there's no linux server there
<ivanskie>
and their internet is spotty
<Senjai>
Can there be?
<ivanskie>
in a vm...
<ausec>
Senjai, thanks im pretty new to ruby
<Senjai>
Why not ask them to spend $500 and get a linux server
<ivanskie>
lol
<Senjai>
Or you know
<Senjai>
go digital ocean
<ivanskie>
they've already spent a few dozen grand on our machine that comes with a box with a PC in it.
<Senjai>
for $10 a month
<ausec>
what im actually trying to do is read the first 100, run a block against them, then read the next 100 and so on
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<umgrosscol>
ivanskie: You're selling a box with a pc inside and it's not running linux?
<ivanskie>
lol shh
<ivanskie>
im not the engineer
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<umgrosscol>
ausec: 100.times do File.readline
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<ivanskie>
its controlling our print applicator machine
<umgrosscol>
ausec: Throw that in a function
<ivanskie>
printing labels and applying to boxes
<ivanskie>
and this app was an afterthought
<umgrosscol>
ivanskie: That's rough. A rails app to read a csv sounds like a sledgehammer to tap in some finishing nails.
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<Oufoi>
Hi, quick question guys: can I call a method without instancing an object ? such as Class.mymethod instead of Class.new().mymethod() ?
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<umgrosscol>
ausec: File.readline(100) handle the EOFError for the end of file.
<umgrosscol>
Oufoi: You can for a class method, but not for an instance method.
<umgrosscol>
Oufoi: For an instance method, you need an instance of the class.
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<umgrosscol>
Oufoi: So something that is stateless would be perfect for a class method. class Foo; def self.mymethod
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<baweaver>
>> class Foo; def self.bar; 1 end end; Foo.bar
<finisherr>
but for some reason, nothing prints after the first 3 lines of output
<finisherr>
normally thing command will print many many lines updating the user on the status of the things happening in vagrant and with the tests
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<finisherr>
if i just do puts `kitchen converge` i have a feeling the user would have to wait for a very long time to collect the string printed to standard out before printing
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