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<shevy> you should be able to install gems into your home dir, usually via --user-install
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<shevy> pilne yeah, that is one big reason for rbenv etc...
<shevy> centos still has... ruby ... 1.8.6?
<darix> shevy: gem install --user-install is enough for that.
<pilne> well.. centos and RHEL are very slow to update
<darix> shevy: centos 6
<darix> centos7 is newer
<shevy> darix yes did I not mention --user-install :D
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<darix> shevy: and here is a fun fact: we enterprise distros would have loved to update ruby
<darix> if it would have been backward compatible
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<darix> shevy: main reason why we did multi version packaging for opensuse/suse. so we can provide newer ruby while keeping the system ruby stable
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<pilne> ubuntu is up to 2.2, but ruby seems to be going through a bit of an evolution (in a good way?) lately.
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<shevy> they are getting closer to 2.3!
<darix> shevy: any many users who get send to rbenv and friends ... maybe should update their OS to the latest version
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<darix> which would get them something more recent already
<havenwood> pilne: Use the Brightbox packages for Ubuntu.
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<shevy> darix like ruby 2.0.0!
<pilne> havenwood-: i will now :) but thanks to you i did just learn about them :)
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<shevy> pilne which ruby version will you be using?
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<pilne> not quite sure yet, i'm going to find a few tutorials and see what i should go for after that
<Ox0dea> pilne: Use 1.0 for a while to accrue maximum appreciation for the language in its current state.
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<shevy> lol
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<darix> i actually had to maintain ruby 1.4 for a while :p
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<Ox0dea> All my keks: https://eval.in/553091
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<llroll> what is meant by everything being an object in ruby?
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<Ox0dea> llroll: In many languages, numbers are "primitives"; you're not at liberty to do certain things with them that the language itself can do.
<Ox0dea> In JavaScript, for instance, you can usually say `type.prototype.foo = ...` to add a `foo` method to all instances of `type`, but that type can't be `Number`.
<Ox0dea> That's not the case in Ruby, where, since instances of Integer are bona fide Objects, and thus have the full-blown behavior you'd find on more "object-like" things.
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<llroll> Ox0dea: i appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me, but i am a beginner
<llroll> i know javascript and ruby and i have to say that ruby is much easier to work with
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<llroll> is there no difference between a method and a function?
<Ox0dea> A method is a function attached to an object.
<Ox0dea> The object "owns" the method, as it were.
<llroll> that's confusing
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<Ox0dea> As for JavaScript being "harder" than Ruby, it does suffer from a small standard library, but the core concepts are pretty similar. Good code in either language tends to leverage closures and composition to good effect.
<LKovax> Simple question from a newbie: looking for the best Ruby GUI toolkit to develop simple progs for Windows environment. Shoes? VisualRuby w/ Glade (although don't see a 64bit version of this)? Just trying to get my bearings here....
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<Ox0dea> LKovax: A dark road.
<LKovax> I'm getting the impression...
<myntcake> vim
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<Ox0dea> llroll: A function can be invoked with anything; with objects and methods, there's arguably more structure.
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<Ox0dea> Of course, plenty of non-OO languages check the arguments to function calls, but that just speaks to the essential equivalence of the various paradigms.
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<Ox0dea> Oops? :<
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<shevy> he was surely very interested in his own question :)
<KevinIzKoolEh> what question is that?
<KevinIzKoolEh> i wanna learn
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<P_R_Delts> Is there a reason why this: https://gist.github.com/PRDeltoid/c959108121d2d5183de5841f57a61f4b would give a "unexpected keyword end" and then "unexpected end of input, expecting keyword_end" ?
<shevy> LKovax ruby-gtk should work fine
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<shevy> what is steps++
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<Ox0dea> P_R_Delts: No `do` on `until`.
<P_R_Delts> Oh dang
<Ox0dea> Oh.
<P_R_Delts> Is there no ++ in Ruby?
<P_R_Delts> I've never seen a language without it, I just assumed
<Ox0dea> No, Fixnums are immutable.
<Ox0dea> They're just tagged pointers under the hood.
<Ox0dea> It's not entirely clear what it would even mean to "move a memory address".
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<P_R_Delts> Well that was simple
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<shevy> simple is good!
<P_R_Delts> is it best practice to just do +=1?
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<Ox0dea> Better still to avoid explicit looping.
<shevy> for corresponding number++, yes
<P_R_Delts> Or is there another method? I saw someone mention .increment, but it was a Ruby on Rails question
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<Ox0dea> >> [41.next, 41.succ]
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => [42, 42] (https://eval.in/553100)
<shevy> usually you would not need an extra counter though, if you have a collection that can respond to .each or .each_with_index
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<P_R_Delts> I dunno if that is true in this case, shevy
<shevy> yeah probably not there
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<P_R_Delts> The challenge was to write something that would determine how many times a number had to be added to it's reverse to create a palindrome
<P_R_Delts> so I need some way to count the amount of times that is done
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<Ox0dea> P_R_Delts: Just a sec.
<P_R_Delts> Sure
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<Ox0dea> P_R_Delts: https://eval.in/553101
<Ox0dea> All that reversing is noisy, but the overall idea is there.
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<Ox0dea> Bonus points for keeping the intermediates? Probably not. :P
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<P_R_Delts> What is the n ame of of the << operation?
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<P_R_Delts> I can't google it
<P_R_Delts> Oh, is it Push?
<Ox0dea> That's the "shovel".
<Ox0dea> But yeah, it's an alias for #push on Array.
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<KevinIzKoolEh> are instance variables hoisted to the top of the class?
<Ox0dea> KevinIzKoolEh: They spring into existence.
<KevinIzKoolEh> what do you mean?
<KevinIzKoolEh> like in javascript hoisting exists
<LKovax> shevy Thanks I'll look into it.
<Ox0dea> You can refer to them without having previously defined them, and you'll get `nil`.
<KevinIzKoolEh> instance variables are global variables right?
<Ox0dea> Not at all.
<shevy> why do you automatically associate "instance" with "global"
<Ox0dea> That's quite a leap.
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<Ox0dea> KevinIzKoolEh: It's perhaps illuminating to think of them as "object variables", insofar as they only ever belong to exactly one Object.
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<Ox0dea> They're called instance variables because every object is an instance of some class.
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<KevinIzKoolEh> holy shit this is complicated
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<baweaver> Canadian troll?
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<Ox0dea> I'm terrifying tonight.
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<balrgh> I'm wondering if perhaps there is a dry way to do this that would achieve the same result of allowing for simple meta-programming? http://pastie.org/10797067#2-10
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<balrgh> this Proc will always be passed an array of two element arrays, and sometimes counts need to be done for unique values of each element
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<baweaver> looks like a mess honestly
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<balrgh> yeah, it was not bad when it didn't require nesting
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<baweaver> what exactly are you trying to do?
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<Radar> It looks like you're trying to reimplement Elasticsearch in Ruby. Can I suggest not?
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<Radar> Maybe I'm reading it wrong
<balrgh> the end goal is to be able to easily define some parameters that define a collection comprised of filters, aggregations, and post-processing components
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<balrgh> defining the post processing should be as simple as giving it an array of processes to execute on the final data
<baweaver> Too DRY is BRITTLE (Badly refactored into tiny things lacking expressiveness)
<balrgh> each of which can change what fields are returned as they do what they do
<Ox0dea> Oh.
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<balrgh> yeah, but this is specifically for handling netflow data
<balrgh> which is a fairly specialized area
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<baweaver> Ox0dea: it does look like an ETL (Extract Transform Load) type problem
<Ox0dea> It is.
<balrgh> it is, but the ETL system I have to work with is not under my control :)
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<Ox0dea> What does that mean?
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<baweaver> As that may be, you're implementing another ETL
<balrgh> I'm limited by the capabilities of the tools that can look at the data
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<baweaver> ETLs can be chained
<balrgh> this code builds command lines for those tools that exploit all of its capabilities
<baweaver> primarily because of forks in data
<balrgh> and what it can't do needs to be written here
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<balrgh> for example, it can do all of the data summarization and aggregation, but it can't do the counts
<baweaver> I wouldn't use a hash for that.
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<baweaver> module Transformers; def self.extractify() 'foo' end end
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<baweaver> otherwise testing them will be a nightmare
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<balrgh> yeah, going OO is probably the right move
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<baweaver> It's not OO per-se, just remember Ruby is primarily OO
<baweaver> that's just namespacing your functions
<baweaver> Look into Spark and some of their API
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<balrgh> thanks for the input, though, all :)
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<fschuindt> LOL File.read('foo.png') == File.read('bar.png') is false on Linux but true on Windows. Different images, just the size and dimensions are the sabe. They have different content. Does anybody know why?
<fschuindt> "... just the size and dimentions are the same"*
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<Ox0dea> Doubtful.
<Ox0dea> fschuindt: Do you get the same weirdness with `File.binread`?
<fschuindt> let me check
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<fschuindt> Ox0dea: It worked with binread! Haha, thank you bro. That's kinda strange...
<baweaver> &ri File#read
<Ox0dea> fschuindt: No worries. PNGs can contain line terminators (which shouldn't be interpreted as such for binary data), but that you got equality there is pretty odd.
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<Ox0dea> They must be very small PNGs.
* baweaver is too lazy to google that
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<fschuindt> Yes, like 50x100 pixels in size.
<fschuindt> 4kb
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<Ox0dea> It's gotta be that the reading is being interruped early, then.
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<P_R_Delts> is it safe to drop/change an array in the middle of an "each_with_index" or "each" enumerator?
<Ox0dea> Nerp.
<P_R_Delts> Dang it
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<Ox0dea> Are you sure that's what you want?
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<Ox0dea> #each_with_index with no arguments gives you back an Enumerator; you can chain on it.
<Ox0dea> ary.each_with_index.select { |elem, idx| ... }
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<P_R_Delts> oh
<P_R_Delts> I literally just started yesterday so I am pretty new to the language, I didn't know you could do that
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<Ox0dea> Ruby's enumeration facilities are second-to-none, I'd wager.
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<P_R_Delts> pretty neat
<P_R_Delts> got closer to the solution using enumeration and chaining together like you suggested
<Ox0dea> \o/
<Ox0dea> In general, the REPL is your playground. Just try things; you'll be surprised how often "wishful programming" Just Works in Ruby.
<P_R_Delts> REPL?
<P_R_Delts> Ruby... Environment Programming Language?
<Ox0dea> You tried. :P
<P_R_Delts> Engine?
<Ox0dea> A read-eval-print loop, like irb.
<P_R_Delts> Oh dang
<P_R_Delts> I was
<P_R_Delts> wayyyyyy
<P_R_Delts> off
<P_R_Delts> :p
<Ox0dea> Feed it expressions, get back evaluations.
<Ox0dea> Rinse, repeat, learn, love.
<Ox0dea> Doing it in reverse order is also interesting.
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<P_R_Delts> Why is it that "do" and "then are so often omitted from code I see?
<P_R_Delts> after If and loops and such?
<mozzarella> uh?
<mozzarella> there's no do with if
<P_R_Delts> that was the "then"
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<P_R_Delts> if [condition] [then]
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<balrgh> Ox0dea: may be able to wrap Kiba around this mess in a couple places.. the horizontal code sprawl might be worth it :) thanks for the tip
<Ox0dea> balrgh: No problem. Godspeed. :)
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<northrup> I'm currently confounded by Open3 at the moment and looking for pointers
<northrup> I'm trying to make a system call a la:
<northrup> stdout, stderr, exit_status = Open3.capture3('ping -c4 $host')
<northrup> however, the variable is never accepted and I don't understand why
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<balrgh> northrup: having $host inside of single quotes will cause it to not be expanded... unless that's somehow your intent?
<northrup> balrgh I've thought about that too, double quotes produces the same outcome
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<balrgh> that was the obvious thing.. I use IO.popen, so I dunno :)
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<rubynoob> Hi Everyone. I'm new to ruby and would love some advice on how to deal with the fact that methods have to defined in lines before they are called
<rubynoob> Here's an example of the issue i'm facing. http://pastebin.com/nZjKAQYa
<ruby[bot]> rubynoob: we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, I reposted your paste to gist for you: https://gist.github.com/b9a917465644d8e18d043f5500f1329b
<ruby[bot]> rubynoob: pastebin.com loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting.
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<al2o3-cr> rubynoob: that could be numeric, no?
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<rubynoob> al2o3-cr: what do you mean?
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<al2o3-cr> could be a fishtank, no?
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<rubynoob> al2o3-cr: can you elaborate?
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<al2o3-cr> rubynoob: why fuck about checking values, when optparse does that shit
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<rubynoob> it didn't
<rubynoob> if i do —profile= or —profile or -p= or -p
<al2o3-cr> do the logic inside of optparse
<rubynoob> it would only catch the cases where = does not exist
<rubynoob> for each one?
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<rubynoob> al2o3-cr: do you mind showing me what you're recommending?
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<al2o3-cr> rubynoob: what you using?
<al2o3-cr> took it for granted you was using optparse :P
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<rubynoob> ?
<rubynoob> what should I be using?
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<rubynoob> i'm a noob to ruby
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<rubynoob> it's 2016… you would think a language would allow you to have a function calling a function that is defined in lines below :(
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<al2o3-cr> is this a joke?
<rubynoob> no
<al2o3-cr> what you saying then?
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<rubynoob> i'm saying I should be able to have function a call function b despite the fact function b is defined after function a
<al2o3-cr> rubynoob: blocks, fucking blocks
<al2o3-cr> even methods
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<rubynoob> wow you're helpful
<al2o3-cr> rubynoob: sorry :)
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<rubynoob> no worries, if you don't know how to solve a problem just don't act like you do
<toretore> >> def a; b; end; def b; 'i am b'; end; a
<ruby[bot]> toretore: # => "i am b" (https://eval.in/553126)
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<al2o3-cr> their is no problem to solve, but anyway
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<al2o3-cr> *there
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<rubynoob> ok now throw in the variable like in my example
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<rubynoob> in my example the variable is "Argument"
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<toretore> what is the problem exactly?
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<al2o3-cr> rubynoob: you don't need to, you're try to parse a parser
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<al2o3-cr> *trying
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<rubynoob> but the parser fails to catch some scenarios
<rubynoob> —profile=
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<rubynoob> o would be empty
<rubynoob> —profile
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<rubynoob> o would be nil
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<toretore> what does this have to do with calling functions and variables?
<al2o3-cr> rubynoob: gist an example?
<al2o3-cr> where it fails?
<al2o3-cr> ? ignore this shit :)
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<al2o3-cr> optparse does this
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<al2o3-cr> just use slop or trollop ;)
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<baweaver> TROLL!?
<baweaver> oh
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<Ox0dea> A troll op.
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> those dam ops!
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<baweaver> ?cookie Ox0dea
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: here's your cookie:
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<Ox0dea> >> '' << rand(128512..128538)
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => "
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<al2o3-cr> well fuck me lee
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<P_R_Delts> I am trying to solve another challenge and coming up against a strange test issue
<P_R_Delts> most tests complete successfully, but one or two of them are having issues
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<P_R_Delts> The function is meant to find the first two primes seperated by the gap within m and n
<P_R_Delts> gap being g
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<P_R_Delts> so my logic was that I'd go through m to n, checking the index and the index+gap and seeing if both were prime
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<P_R_Delts> if they were, I would then step through the gap in between them to see if there was another prime number. If there is another prime number, then it fails because the gap is interrupted by a prime
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<P_R_Delts> Ohhhh wait
<P_R_Delts> Oh oh
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<P_R_Delts> I am an idiot. I am really sad I just typed all that for no reason
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<Ox0dea> P_R_Delts: You rubber-ducked it.
<P_R_Delts> Hmmm?
<P_R_Delts> That would definitely be it.
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<P_R_Delts> I explained it in my head over and over but t yping it out made me realize
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<Ox0dea> P_R_Delts: Learn Enumerable: https://eval.in/553148 ^_^
<Ox0dea> It's really good for you.
<Ox0dea> Er, that 10 should be `g`, but you get the idea.
<baweaver> quack
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<Ox0dea> Kobe with 58 in his final game. Several of my keks.
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<P_R_Delts> Is this link you solving the problem in less than half the code and far less than half the time?
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<baweaver> P_R_Delts: he does that
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<baweaver> He also does this
<baweaver> >>$_=$$/$$;@_=->_{_==''?_:[*?`..?{]['. !#% & , :;<= >@_ `'=~/#{_[$.]}/]+@_[_[$_..-$_]]};_=->&_{_}[&:"#{@_['@%<#']}"];_[_[_[_['',@_['!: @@']],@_[' <!%@_=>@']][-$_-$_],@_['!=<@_']+?_+@_['&%_'],(''<<(_=$_+$_)**_**(_+$_)/(_+$_)-$_)+@_[',;%']],@_['<%`']]
<ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => 2016-04-14 05:00:22 +0000 (https://eval.in/553149)
<Ox0dea> Wow.
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<baweaver> ?cookie Ox0dea
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: here's your cookie:
<Ox0dea> >> '' << rand(128512..128538)
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => "
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<agent_white> Evenin'
<acosonic> morning :D
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<hk238> hello I'm planning to learn some more ruby, just dabblign with the basics currently
<hk238> Could anyone recommend an open source ruby thing, editing which would be a good way to learn some?
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<Radar> hk238: The Ruby Koans are what I would recommend.
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<P_R_Delts> is there an easy method to split a string into 2 chararacter strings in an array?
<P_R_Delts> I thought Split but I don't think it does what I think
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<toretore> >> '1234567890'.scan(/../)
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<ruby[bot]> toretore: # => ["12", "34", "56", "78", "90"] (https://eval.in/553179)
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<P_R_Delts> perfecto, thanks toretore
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<manveru> `Bundler.settings[:cache_all] = options[:all] if options.key?("all")`
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<manveru> who writes such code...
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<dionysus69> is there a capistrano channel or can you help me with it?
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<manveru> dionysus69: no channel i know of, just ask away
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<dionysus69> ok so I want to deploy ember application with capistrano but I dont understand how the drill would go, in fact I havent used capistrano yet in any project but when the guide says to add capistrano to Gemfile, do I create Gemfile in ember project, is Gemfile an only requirement for the project to "see" capistrano gem?
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<manveru> dionysus69: usually you can just install the gem without a Gemfile
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<manveru> it's just more convenient for keeping track of which versions of gems your project requires
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<manveru> you can make one with `bundle init`
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<manveru> but for that you also need the bundler gem installed
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<dionysus69> I have both bundler and gem installed
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<dionysus69> I am rails dev too just not familiar with details of how stuff works in the environment
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<dionysus69> so I would just run cap rake tasks inside an ember app and it would generate capistrano config files and thats where I would start?
<manveru> yeah
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<dionysus69> cool :D
<dionysus69> thanks for help :) I like understanding before getting started xD
<manveru> no problem :)
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<adaedra> Stop disconnecting me, freenode.
<adaedra> Hello everyone.
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<jsaak> anyone knows a good writing why green threads were dropped after 1.8? i simply can not understand that decision
<manveru> jsaak: the who?
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<manveru> what do you think ruby is using now?
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<jsaak> os threads
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<manveru> oh
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<manveru> well, that was around the time Fiber was introduced, no?
<jsaak> with GIL :) whic does not make any sense in my humble oppinion
<jsaak> yes
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<manveru> with GIL for some operations, not all of them
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<manveru> i'm pretty sure ko1 wrote about it...
<jsaak> who is kol? how do i find it?
<manveru> he built YARV
<manveru> the VM that is used since 1.9
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<jsaak> kol == "Sasada Koichi" ?
<jsaak> thanks for the link
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<manveru> yeah, 1 in japanese is ichi
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<manveru> so that's his nickname :)
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<jsaak> this is the main argument: " This decision maybe makes us happy because we can run most of the extensions written in C without any modifications. " :(
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<manveru> yeah, the the reason why MRI still has GIL
<toretore> jsaak: it's also from 2007
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<manveru> but at least now you can choose rbx or jruby :)
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<apeiros> jsaak: ko1 (1 = one, not lowercase L), you should consider using a font which makes those characters distinguishable :-p
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<shevy> huh 2007... that's almost 10 years
<toretore> and we still have the gil
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<_ko10> gilty
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<toretore> lol
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<jsaak> ohh ko1 instead of kol, thanks for pointing that out for me, i do not mind the GIL, i think that is the only sane way, multithreading with shared mem is insane i think
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<norc> Mmm, I wonder whether bundle is affected.
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<norc> But luckily it seems like I do not even have to bother. https://gist.github.com/dcu/3c06e4ab0e98158c5742c4fd2b31523d (:
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<jsaak> _ko10: if you keep the GIL, and follow the road node.js and ilya grigorik went with goliat, that would make me very happy, and would stop looking for alternatives to ruby
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<jsaak> but that means that all C have to be rewritten unfortunately
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<toretore> jsaak: that would mean they don't have to be rewritten
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<norc> jsaak: The GIL is greatly misunderstood and not as much of a problem as most people make it to be.
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<norc> In fact most Ruby users would probably be better off just being told that Ruby is not thread safe.
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<norc> Or better appropriately called GVL.
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<norc> The only time the GVL becomes costly is when writing C extensions and not properly releasing the GVL lock, but that is hardly a design issue.
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<_ko10> jsaak: goliat?
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<flughafen> shevy: hi
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<toretore> _ko10: basically an eventmachine+fiber http server
<shevy> yo flughafen - they fired some dude who said that the flughafen in berlin was a failure, can you believe that!
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<flughafen> shevy: which guy?
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<flughafen> shevy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport#Delayed_opening_and_construction_flaws I read this the other day, and it's pretty sad/slightly amusing
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<_ko10> toretore: thank you. good the performance ?
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<toretore> _ko10: i haven't used it myself, so i couldn't say
<shevy> flughafen the dude with the interview at http://goo.gl/0GHgTK
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<flughafen> thanks
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<Abhijit> hi
<Abhijit> when i change a.rb file which is has my class definition, does it get autoloaded into irb session or i have to reload manually? if yes how?
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<_ko10> toretore: ok, thanks.
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<toretore> Abhijit: no, use load('filename.rb')
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<Abhijit> toretore, thanks.
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<jsaak> _ko10: i have used goliath if you want i can run some benchmarks
<_ko10> jsaak: i want to know you are okay only with goliath.
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<jsaak> unfortunately noone uses it, and all 3rd party application "drivers" have to be reimplemented to use async io
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<jsaak> the authors used it in production with HAproxy load balncing
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<_ko10> jsaak: i see. "non-blocking" feature integration is big issue.
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<_ko10> the words "async" / "non-blocking" has many meanings on many layers, but i beleve we use same meaning.
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<jsaak> its like ruby Thread in 1.8 there is an event loop at the core, and using select() (or something similar) to wait for io/timers
<toretore> the problem really is that there are no low level primitives that can bridge the different paradigms; each only works when used by itself
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<toretore> goliath does something like EM.run{ Fiber.new{ f=Fiber.current; EM.async_io(something){|r| f.resume(r) }; result = Fiber.yield } } to "untangle" callbacks using fibers
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<jsaak> yup, it is pretty elegant compared to javascript callback hell, or maybe mondads, or QT's signal,slot
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<jsaak> (not maybe monads, sorry but promises)
<shevy> you don't like the qt model?
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<toretore> promises are a useful primitive, they don't have to be js style with chained callbacks
<workmad3> jsaak: iirc, promises are a form of monad
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<shevy> oh my god
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<workmad3> but yeah, promises are a nice primitive for async functionality
<darkf> yeah they are
<toretore> everything is a form of monad afaict
<workmad3> toretore: haha :) not everything, but quite a lot of things are or can be viewed as monads
<workmad3> still trying to wrap my head around category theory enough to really understand them though
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<workmad3> toretore: I like the look of async/await functions in the next version of JS too... that ends up in code using promises that looks a lot like your fibers example :) `result = await asyncPromiseFunction(); doStuffWith(result)` rather than `asyncPromiseFunction().then(function(result) { doStuffWith(result) }`
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<toretore> workmad3: yes it's interesting and very similar to the way things like c# async/await or core.async work
<toretore> i wonder how it's implemented, if there's a scheduler
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<workmad3> toretore: it wouldn't surprise me if currently, transpilers just transform your code so that the code after the `await` is wrapped into a `then` callback of the returned function
<jsaak> (ohh i regret saying the m word in public, sorry) in qt you have no visual connection between the callbacks, so it is yet another callback hell, without the pyramid looking thing
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<toretore> workmad3: yeah
<toretore> even python has adopted this style with the tulip io stuff
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<shevy> tulip and roses
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<fanantoxa> HI guys.
<fanantoxa> I'm working on checking Ruby sources with a static analyzer (PVS).
<fanantoxa> And I going to finish a list of possible issues at the end of the week.
<fanantoxa> I'm not an expert on ruby sources and C.
<fanantoxa> Can some one help me check this list when I'll finish or whom I can ask for this?
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<VeryBewitching> o/
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<adaedra> VeryBewitching: o/*\o
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<VeryBewitching> How's the day adaedra?
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<adaedra> It's ok, a bit tired though.
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<VeryBewitching> Thursday is a hard day.
<VeryBewitching> Buffer between the hump and the end of the working week.
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<mustmodify__> there is a GPS tracking device whose data I am parsing. I intend to gemify this code. The device sends messages via UDP. Some messages include one set of coordinates, some may contain n sets of coordinates. Two options: I can model the exact message, which means that there will be a collection of coordinates; or I can model each position fix, which would be an abstraction but one that would greatly simplify usage... any preferences?
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<mustmodify__> if it were just for me I'd do the latter. But when using gems, I sometimes get frustrated at people's attempts to be clever.
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<djellemah> mustmodify__: sounds like 2 layers to me
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<mustmodify__> a message layer and a "thing being modeled" layer?
<mustmodify__> Am I correct in assuming you're advocating basically doing both?
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<mustmodify__> djellemah: ^
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<djellemah> mustmodify: yeah, pretty much. I'd probably do both anyway, to make the position fix calculation code easier.
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<mustmodify> ping
<mustmodify> (just got a message saying I couldn't join this channel... that I had to be invited... weird.)
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<elusiveother> just 100 more thingies in the koans to go
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<elusiveother> hey, i'm having a problem with ruby logic
<ruby[bot]> elusiveother: as I told you already, please use https://gist.github.com
<elusiveother> ruby[bot], no.
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<havenwood> elusiveother: You're angering ruby[bot]...
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<elusiveother> havenwood, i prefer not to use services that i must sign in and out of for simple pasting
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<havenwood> elusiveother: You can anonymously gist.
<elusiveother> hanmac, that i have to sign in and out of
<elusiveother> ...
<elusiveother> havenwood*
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<elusiveother> anyways, for that snippet of code, i'm getting "Expected 50 to equal nil" as the error when i run score([5])
<borodin_> bar = foo.sub("\\.d*$","") doesn't work
<elusiveother> is there a problem with the logic i used?
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<apeiros> elusiveother: you're of course free to use whatever. but be aware that there's a couple of top helpers in here who won't even read a pastebin.
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<darix> elusiveother: you dont have to log in to gist.github.com
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<apeiros> also your assertion of having to sign in is wrong (as havenwood already said)
<darix> JFYI
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<elusiveother> darix, i have to log out
<eam> elusiveother: just open an incognito window
<elusiveother> darix, and thusly back in when i want to actually use pastebin
<apeiros> o0
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<elusiveother> github*
<apeiros> some people make their own life harder for no reason
<darix> o.O
<eam> apeiros: nah it's a legit complaint
<apeiros> eam: that you have to log out after not having logged in?
<eam> there are really valid reasons for asking for help anonymously
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<eam> and cookie based account login stuff is a huge hassle
<apeiros> um
<apeiros> yeah
<apeiros> sure
<apeiros> whatever
<baweaver> ?enter
<ruby[bot]> baweaver: I don't know anything about enter
<eam> but - an incognito window makes it easy to do what he wants since it gives you a temporary browser with no access to the cookies
<tuelz> was just having a discussion with a coworker and they said they were running benchmarks and doing lookups on data['foo'] is significantly faster than var = 'foo'; data[var] lookups - any idea why that is?
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<apeiros> tuelz: might be optimized by the parser
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<eam> apeiros: I have a google apps account for work and it's a huuuuuge pain making sure I properly separate work accounts and personal accounts for commenting on google services
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<elusiveother> eam, another problem is every other channel on freenode tries to force you to use THEIR pasting service
<mustmodify> elusiveother: well, I think it's safe to say that you are free to do what you want, and we are free to not help or help; and that pastebin has an unpleasant interface.
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<apeiros> eam: easy for me - I don't use my work laptop for private stuff
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<elusiveother> it's annoying to have to juggle around just to please someone who doesn't like ads on pastebin's /raw pages
<mustmodify> eam: I've always used separate browsers for that.
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<mustmodify> elusiveother: Sorry it's annoying to ask for help.
<eam> mustmodify: that's essentially what I do as well, which works, but I also acknowledge it as a hassle :)
<darix> eam: or different browser profiles
<mustmodify> eam: +1
<apeiros> elusiveother: #ruby mostly tries to force you to use *anything but* pastebin
<darix> just to make your life a bit easier
<elusiveother> mustmodify, not only help. it comes into collaboration as well
<borodin> can anyone help me with a regex? foo = "k2app001" baz = "k2app" bar = foo.gsub("\d*$","") doesn't work for me
<baweaver> There
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<baweaver> Now can we stop being children?
<borodin> trying to trim all the digits off the end of foo while not affecting inner digits
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<elusiveother> it becomes the "HERE WE DO IT THIS WAY!" issue
<apeiros> borodin: // is a regex, "" is a string
<darix> baweaver: no! being a child is fun. you can play. no work.
<darix> :p
<eam> baweaver: probably not, but I do appreciate the effort ;)
<borodin> or actually only trim off the last 3 digits every time
<tuelz> elusiveother: yeah, you've gotta consider the transaction happening...these experts in their field are giving away free advice when they are likely to know that people are willing to pay a lot of $$ for their advice
<baweaver> Also, line numbers?
<mustmodify> elusiveother: So you aren't a fan of convention. You should try PHP.
<elusiveother> not a problem if you only exist in one place. you can conform to that. it becomes a problem when you exist in 50 places at once
<mustmodify> I mean, why not ask for C# help in #php? :P
<tuelz> with that in mind, it's easy to see why you _should_ cater to every whim of someone who is giving you free advice
<baweaver> ?offtopic
<ruby[bot]> this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related problems. Thanks!
<borodin> apeiros: are you saying foo.gsub(//\d*$,"") should work?
<apeiros> borodin: um, no. /\d*$/
<elusiveother> baweaver, i use ed
<apeiros> borodin: you don't write ""hello world either
<eam> elusiveother: so what was your question, re: this snippet?
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<borodin> ?
<baweaver> elusiveother: also, expectation is nice too.
<apeiros> borodin: it's a delimiter. it's at the start and the end. not all at the start.
<elusiveother> eam, when i pass ([5]) to that method, it fails to enter the elseif(dice.length == 1 && dice[0] == 5) portion
<borodin> genius! I don't know why I don't get it
<borodin> ok what about "the last 3 digits"
<elusiveother> eam, i was wanting to know if there was anything wrong with the logic i used. i certainly can't find anything
<apeiros> borodin: \d{3}
<borodin> ok you're tres helpful! I love you long time
<baweaver> elusiveother: elsif
<baweaver> syntax highlighting does wonders
<apeiros> borodin: also note that $ is "end of line", not "end of string". so depending on your use case, you may want \z instead of $ (\z is "end of string")
<workmad3> baweaver: haha :) I'd noticed that and was wondering why it wasn't causing other errors... was playing with IRB before pointing it out
<baweaver> also, should probably have an else condition
<elusiveother> oh my god
<workmad3> and it's because it'll just be parsed as a method call that's not executed... my brain is tired today :)
<elusiveother> thank you baweaver
<elusiveother> that is absurd
<baweaver> probably gets parsed as: if x else if y end
<elusiveother> why did one letter make you angry!
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<baweaver> elusiveother: that's my secret
<baweaver> I'm always angry
<elusiveother> well played, i guess
<workmad3> baweaver: elseif is a valid method/local variable name :)
<apeiros> elseif(x) will be parsed as a method call
<darix> i wonder if baweaver is like the hulk
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<eam> it's a little bit weird that ruby doesn't syntax check un-executed code branches
<baweaver> yeah, but you can't call nil
<eam> that's always bothered me
<apeiros> eam: agreed
<baweaver> ah
<baweaver> that'd do it
<baweaver> it just ignores everything in the if
<eam> if you call dice([]) you should see an exception
<baweaver> very odd dice game though
<baweaver> I think it's loaded
<apeiros> baweaver: it's a fair die
<elusiveother> eam, it just runs through and returns nil
<elusiveother> that's why i have the if(dice.empty?) line
<apeiros> can dice be used as singular?
<eam> oh right, because the return ensures it won't continue
<elusiveother> apeiros, i'm going to assume rails-like behavior for that and never pluralize or singulate anything
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<baweaver> >>def roll_dice(*ns) ns.map{|n|rand(1..n)} end; roll_dice 6,6,6
<ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => [2, 5, 5] (https://eval.in/553518)
<apeiros> elusiveother: I was referring to the xkcd
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<elusiveother> lol
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<apeiros> I think I still have a parser somewhere for dice expressions, like "3d6 + 2d20 * 3". fun times.
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<baweaver> RPN?
<apeiros> no, normal notation (does that have a name?)
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<apeiros> MdN means "sum of throwing M dice with N eyes"
<apeiros> so 3d6 is basically rand(3..18) but with a different distribution :)
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<smathy> apeiros, "infix notation" I think.
<apeiros> smathy: thanks :)
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<smathy> ...and I think you'd actually want to do `3 * rand(1..6)` for the right distribution.
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<apeiros> smathy: well, you want to execute the rand 3 times
<apeiros> otherwise you still have a different distribution :)
<smathy> Heh, yeah :)
<baweaver> >>eval "3d6 + 2d20 * 3".gsub(/(\d+)d(\d+)/){|m|$1.to_i.times.map{|n|rand(1..$2.to_i)}.reduce(:+)}
<ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => 95 (https://eval.in/553522)
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<baweaver> \o/
<apeiros> :D
<smathy> I actually though about that ahead of time and tricked my brain into thinking that's what would happen ;)
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<apeiros> baweaver: I think that one is incomplete, though. it should calculate * before +
<smathy> baweaver, you're adding first.
<smathy> Yeah :)
<apeiros> and I think it misses the *
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<apeiros> errr, the 3
<apeiros> because it's a plain number, not a die
<apeiros> or set of dice
<baweaver> I'm just eval'ing it
<baweaver> lazy solver in any case
<apeiros> oooh
<apeiros> I missed the eval
<apeiros> heh
<apeiros> clever
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<apeiros> it'll get your bot owned, but clever ;-)
<baweaver> gsub anything that looks like 3d6 with mapping 3xrand(1..6)
<baweaver> as I said, lazy
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<apeiros> sure. and I think you could actually sanitize the expression sanely.
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<apeiros> s/sanitize/validate/
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<baweaver> well we all know what Ox0dea can do with _ and $
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<baweaver> >>"`rm -rf /`".delete 'a-zA-Z- /\_$`'
<ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => "" (https://eval.in/553523)
<baweaver> something vaguely like that
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<baweaver> off I go.
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<PaulB_> hello guys
<PaulB_> i'm new in ruby, and need some help with strings
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<jhack> ok
<jhack> ask away
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<PaulB_> i have str1 = "str2_text", how to convert it into single qupted string?
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<jhack> why dont you just
<jhack> str1 = ‘str2_text'
<PaulB_> i need in result in some variable str2 # 'str2_text'
<jhack> lol
<smathy> PaulB_, a string is a string, the quotes only change how some special characters inside the literal are handled upon creation.
<jhack> if im not mistaken, “str1” == ‘str1’
<smathy> jhack, those magic quotes your client is adding are confusing.
<jhack> lol
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<PaulB_> i'm use it in calabash tests, and get it from "view label" into my_var, and now i need to convert it
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<smathy> PaulB_, convert it from what to what?
<PaulB_> i undarstand what it is same, but not calabash-cucmber framework:)))
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<PaulB_> if i put in my_var = 'text', and after that use this var in code it's work
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<smathy> PaulB_, your problem is something else.
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<smathy> PaulB_, calabash-cucumber is a ruby gem, and in ruby there is not two different types of strings.
<PaulB_> but when i'm use it from another_var which already contain string, but this string for ruby double_quoted, calabash throw error :((
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<smathy> PaulB_, as I said, your problem is something else, perhaps you have quotes WITHIN the string, make a gist at https://gist.github.com/ and show us the problem you're seeing.
<PaulB_> give me a min i'll show
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<PaulB_> i hope it's clear...:(
<smathy> PaulB_, your output shows that actually get_text_var is an array that contains a string.
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<PaulB_> yhea. i'll make some corrects, yeas i'll have an array with strings, which i get from function and i cann't set it to get single_quoted string
<PaulB_> wow
<PaulB_> mb i was wrong
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<smathy> ...could it be? Light at the end of this long dark tunnel?
<jhack> lol
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<PaulB_> ok. if i have array = ["aaa", "bbb"], str = array.last must be just "bbb" ?
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<PaulB_> but it's return to me ["bbb"]
<smathy> PaulB_, better to just try something like that.
<smathy> PaulB_, do it in a console, and copy/paste the console session showing it.
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<smathy> (to a gist)
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<PaulB_> here it is
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<apeiros> PaulB_: misses how $subCategoryList is set
<apeiros> PaulB_: but seems to be an array of arrays of strings
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<smathy> PaulB_, you're not showing where $subCategoryList is being SET.
<apeiros> replace line 2 with `p list: $subCategoryList` and you'll see its structure
<smathy> This is agonizing.
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<PaulB_> hmmm thnx, i'll start to undarstand
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<PaulB_> i have array of arrays of strings i guess
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<smathy> ...if only there was a way we didn't have to guess.
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<PaulB_> and then i was put it, i think this was each strings...
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<smathy> ...some way....to do some...thing to see some....how what's in $subCategoryList
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<apeiros> smathy: alas, it's umpossible!
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<apeiros> nobody knows how
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<PaulB_> thanx a lot guys, u are great, i'm dumb programmer...need go home, but tomorrow i'll think made it work
<PaulB_> thanks again guys
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<PaulB_> i was think this is console output was "pretiffy" output...
<PaulB_> but function return array with single string element
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<PaulB_> but i think its just string
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<PaulB_> thanks again, good luck
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<danielpk> Hi Guys, sorry for offtopic, any1 here live in Mexico? I want to integrate with some payments methods available in MX but I have some doubts about their culture. I would like to talk with someone that live there about it. If so, call me in pvt please :)
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<newdan> When I do 'ri Array.sort' it says nothing known about Array.sort. And when I do ri Array it just shows ActiveSupport methods. Is there a way to fix this?
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<newdan> I've already tried `sudo gem rdoc --all --ri --no-rdoc` but doesn't seem to add anything for Ruby stdlib/core
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<newdan> ...Which makes sense, seems like that would only generate ri for gems, but don't know what else to try
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<smathy> newdan, I think in some version of ruby the rdocs switched to being a gem: https://github.com/rdoc/rdoc-data
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<adaedra> no.
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<adaedra> newdan: what system are you on, how did you install ruby?
<djellemah> newdan: rvm has a docs subcommand that I use. Others (chruby etc) may have something similar. Otherwise your OS package manager may have something.
<adaedra> smathy: iirc, it's something like between 1.8.7 and 1.9.2
<newdan> Fedora 23, I think through the OS package manger (`dnf install`)
<adaedra> there should be a doc package then
<smathy> adaedra, you mean that after that it was back to part of the core install? Or between then was when it switched (and it's still switched?)
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<adaedra> smathy: between those that this gem was needed.
<smathy> Ah.
<smathy> Thanks.
<adaedra> ruby-doc.noarch : Documentation for ruby
<adaedra> newdan: ^
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<newdan> Awesome, `dnf install ruby-doc` did it. Thanks for the help adaedra, smathy
<adaedra> yw.
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<smathy> newdan, you're welcome.
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<mustmodify> Wondering if someone can suggest what channel might be appropriate for this question: I must (apparently) specify a maximum number of bytes to receive in a UDP message. I plan to open-source this tool... I know what works for me, but what would be a good default that would work for most people? Is there a down-side to putting 10,000?
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<Ox0dea> It's not an even number.
<mustmodify> that's the down side?
<Ox0dea> I mean, it should at least be a power of 2?
<mustmodify> should it?
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<mustmodify> ok
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<mustmodify> sure.
<eam> mustmodify: 65k is the max, you might wanna use that
<mustmodify> I mean, I happen to know that I won't be receiving messages with over 200 bytes.
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<eam> 2**16
<mustmodify> I just didn't know why that's even there.
<mustmodify> why wouldn't they just accept the most possible?
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<eam> why there's a length?
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<mustmodify> no idea.
<eam> likely because the underlying implementation must have a length
<mustmodify> I guess I could dig into it, but I just assumed it wouldn't be explained.
<mustmodify> right.
<eam> 65k per read could be super wasteful
<mustmodify> which means I still don't know if there is a down side.
<eam> allocating memory
<mustmodify> right, I mean, it might suck up memory
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<eam> mustmodify: it *will* suck up memory
<mustmodify> so maybe 2**10 ... few people will miss 1kb
<eam> because the memory has to be allocated before the call is made
<mustmodify> eam: sure, that makes sense.
<eam> regardless of whether it's used
<Ox0dea> Wait, why?
<eam> it's not an issue of a static allocation, generally you're reading a message in a loop
<mustmodify> So that's probably the only down side.
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<eam> so you might be making a 65k alloc every loop (and if you've got a server doing say 100 queries per second)
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<eam> suddenly you have 65M of gc churn per second
<eam> a higher performance server in C might do more like 50k qps
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<eam> Ox0dea: why it has to be allocated before the call is made?
<Ox0dea> eam: Oui.
<eam> we're talking about recv(2) here
<eam> you allocate a buf, then tell recv how long it can be
<Ox0dea> Oh, well, why can't recv() do a smart and realloc() is necessary?
<eam> *cough*
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<Ox0dea> (Only half-kidding.)
<eam> because recv(2) is a system call not a library call
<eam> so it cannot touch userspace allocations
<eam> ;)
<eam> you could totally build a library on top of this which just reads forever
<eam> perhaps call it ruby
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<Ox0dea> Heh.
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<eam> I think you *can* use #read on a udp socket, btw
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<eam> or on any socket
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<eam> so maybe more a question of why this layer exposes this detail (and from THERE, possibly because network things are an attack vector and you want to impose limits)
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<mustmodify> ok well... 2k then?
<mustmodify> no
<mustmodify> I mean
<mustmodify> what do people send by UDP?
<mustmodify> They don't send novels.
<mustmodify> They send very short messages.
<Ox0dea> Is that a challenge?
<mustmodify> no.
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<mustmodify> That is not a challenge.
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<mustmodify> Very much not a challenge.
<baweaver> Ox0dea: yes, a challege
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<mustmodify> I mean, typically though, it's short stuff, right? "This whatever 0.002s"
<mustmodify> or in my case, it's a personal gps sending coordinates and some other details.
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<Ox0dea> 4096 feels right, but it's hard to pin down precisely why.
<baweaver> I'd tell you a UDP joke, but you probably wouldn't get it.
<mustmodify> #facepalm
<mustmodify> baweaver: Almost as funny as "but you probably wouldn't get it; I'd tell you a UDP joke."
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<mustmodify> ok I'm open to feedback on the "Recipient" code: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/ddd8b1f04de252655555d21dd90d4ae0
<baweaver> Ox0dea had a problem. He decided to use threads. Now two he problems has.
<mustmodify> lol
<Ox0dea> baweaver: That is an acceptable level of manglement.
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<mustmodify> you joke, but I knew a guy who really liked threads. He wrote some code that ran a baseball pitching machine. Apparently it ... wasn't a success.
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<baweaver> Must have struck out on it
<mustmodify> I think "wild pitch" was a literal and figurative metaphor to describe his success.
<baweaver> so he dropped the ball
<mustmodify> Sorry, forgot to say... he used threads heavily.
<baweaver> Now you're just stringing us along
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<mustmodify> He thought that would be a home run but not.
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<Hobart> is this the right channel to request review of a bug/proposed patch in ruby core?
<Ox0dea> Hobart: Sure is.
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<Ox0dea> #ruby-core is a graveyard.
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<Hobart> Did as much research as I could - would welcome feedback on https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12284
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<Ox0dea> Hobart: That's way too heavy-handed a "fix".
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<Hobart> the alternative would be... making io-console only use ruby 2.1 functions?
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<Hobart> wasn't sure since the gem infrastructure doesn't seem to be tied (that I can see) to the ruby releases otherwise...
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<Ox0dea> Hobart: Well, it's true that the ABI version doesn't necessarily match the release, but requiring 2.2 on Windows when 2.1 isn't EOL can't be the right move.
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<Ox0dea> I think checking HAVE_RB_SYM2STR and defining rb_sym2str() in console.c if necessary is the right approach.
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<Hobart> Gotcha. Will try some test cases and try to assemble a better patch.
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<mustmodify_> Answer: "About as far as they are now."
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<baweaver> ?ot
<ruby[bot]> this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related topics. Thanks!
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<baweaver> that's the OT channel for the record mustmodify_
<baweaver> feel free to post much of anything there
<eam> it's a better channel than this one tbh
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<Ox0dea> Is there a better way to trace optimized methods than doing this for every relevant class/method combination? https://eval.in/553614
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<Milos|Work> I don't work directly with ruby so at a loss for understanding this "NoMethodError: undefined method `begin' for 31557600.0:Float"
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<Ox0dea> Milos|Work: You're calling #begin on a Float. There's no such method.
<Milos|Work> There's no ".begin" in the code. The top of the stacktrace shows method_missing inside of active_support
<Ox0dea> That's not good.
<Milos|Work> I just searched for #begin in the entire codebase and found nothing.
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<Milos|Work> Oh, # is shorthand for method
<Ox0dea> Instance method, specifically.
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<Milos|Work> How come the stacktrace doesn't show where "begin" is trying to be called?
<Ox0dea> Look in the stacktrace for the first error that occurs in a file you wrote.
<Ox0dea> It should do just that.
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<Ox0dea> You're probably using a Float where a Date is expected.
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<aaaaaaaaaaa> hey
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<Milos|Work> Ox0dea, I see "due_at: rand(1.year).from_now" in the code, and the stack trace shows my_file.rake:64:in `rand'
<Milos|Work> the next line in the stack trace is the one about method_missing in activesupport-4.1.4
<Milos|Work> and by next I mean the line above...
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<Ox0dea> Milos|Work: It must be that something has redefined #rand; the default one on Kernel takes either a Numeric or a Range.
<Ox0dea> Something is causing yours to only expect a Range, which does respond to #begin.
<Milos|Work> At least that gives me something to look into - thanks!
<Ox0dea> >> [rand(3.14), rand(42), rand(40..50)] # Milos|Work
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => [2, 2, 50] (https://eval.in/553617)
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<Ox0dea> Milos|Work: You should be able to say `method(:rand).source_location` to find out where it's been redefined.
<Ox0dea> If that gives you `nil`, I'm at a loss.
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<Milos|Work> Just before I try that, how do I correctly use the begin method with rand? I want to know what begin is meant to do but I can't find documentation for it because it's also a reserved keyword for exceptions or something.
<Ox0dea> >> 10..20.begin # Milos|Work
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => undefined method `begin' for 20:Fixnum (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/553620)
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<Ox0dea> Dammit.
<Ox0dea> >> (10..20).begin
<ruby[bot]> Ox0dea: # => 10 (https://eval.in/553621)
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<Milos|Work> ah
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<Milos|Work> yeah I tried the first one you did too
<Milos|Work> and when it didn't work I was confused :P
<smathy> Can't call from_now on a Fixnum though.
<Ox0dea> It's also weird that `1.year` is giving him a Float.
<Ox0dea> Never mind.
<smathy> rand with a float works for me.
<Ox0dea> Yeah, but you lose the fact that you passed in a Float.
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<smathy> Not sure what that means. I thought you were suggesting that you couldn't pass a float to rand
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<Ox0dea> Well, I think it'd be good if `rand(Float)` gave you back a Float.
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<Milos|Work> getting somewhere -- <Ox0dea> Something is causing yours to only expect a Range, which does respond to #begi
<smathy> Oh right, sure. I thought you were suggesting that passing a float was why he was getting the error.
<Milos|Work> wrong paste
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<Milos|Work> and yeah, it says nil
<Milos|Work> method(:rand).source_location => nil
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<smathy> I reproduced it, ruby 2.3 rails 4.1.6: https://gist.github.com/smathy/192392ec134a86e408760b1303b0e948
<Milos|Work> does this mean this is a bug?
<smathy> Seems to be something hinky with what 1.year actually is, it says it's a Float, but I don't believe it.
<Ox0dea> Well, it's an AS::Duration, but it has coercion semantics.
<havenwood> Milos|Work: The docs explain when it's nil: http://ruby-doc.org/core/Method.html#method-i-source_location
<smathy> Ox0dea, 1.year.class returns Float
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<Ox0dea> smathy: Not here.
<Milos|Work> you're right though, if 1.year is a float, and rand takes a float, then rand(1.year) should also work ?
<Ox0dea> Milos|Work: It should.
<smathy> Ox0dea, yeah, Rails 4.1
<Ox0dea> Right, right.
<Milos|Work> havenwood, I figured that's what it meant :-)
<smathy> Milos|Work, drop to ruby 2.2.x and it works.
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<Milos|Work> Yeah, the system actually runs on ruby 2.0 but I'm trying it on ruby 2.3 and it seemed to go fine until that point
<Milos|Work> I want to know why that issue exists
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<Milos|Work> Ox0dea, are you saying 1.year gives you AS::Duration as the type?
<Milos|Work> on 2.2 ?
<Ox0dea> Milos|Work: On ActiveSupprt 4.2.
<smathy> Milos|Work, why it exists is that software has bugs.
<Ox0dea> I suppose the Ruby version is relevant as well, but the comment in duration.rb says that it's a workaround for a 2.0 bug, not a 2.2 one.
<Milos|Work> smathy, that's fine; that's what I meant to ask. Is it a bug, or not.
<smathy> Milos|Work, yeah, definitely.
<smathy> Milos|Work, looks like a 2.3 <-> 4.1 incompatibility.
<Ox0dea> But Kernel#rand hasn't changed any time recently?
<smathy> Ox0dea, I think the bug is probably in Duration.
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<smathy> Ox0dea, I dunno, 4.1 is irrelevant to me now :)
<smathy> Ox0dea, but anything that reports itself as a core class and isn't is gonna have a bad day.
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<Milos|Work> smathy, so if I use 2.3 and 4.somethingelse will it work?
<Milos|Work> 2.3 and 4.2 ?
<smathy> Milos|Work, definitely if you use 4.2 it will work.
<smathy> Yes.
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<Milos|Work> Cool. Well in that case I guess it's not a big deal; just update your activesupport and the issue goes away.
<Milos|Work> so I will try that
<smathy> I wouldn't recommend using a different AS than the rest of the Rails gems.
<smathy> Milos|Work, and Rails isn't classically semver, so 4.1 -> 4.2 will have some other gotchas.
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<Milos|Work> I see
<Milos|Work> worth a shot
<Milos|Work> otherwise I will use 2.2
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<smathy> Milos|Work, my recommendation (and we're getting OT here) is to create two empty rails apps for 4.1 and 4.2 and then do a recursive diff of them to see what config/startup things have changed.
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<Ox0dea> As an aside, #rand doesn't work for arbitrary Ranges.
<Ox0dea> Doesn't explain why `1.year` ends up being treated as a Range, of course.
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