#ruby on 2019-11-23 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2019-10-22 15:51 havenwood changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: https://ruby-community.com | Ruby 2.6.5, 2.5.7, 2.7.0-preview2: https://www.ruby-lang.org | Paste 4+ lines of text to https://dpaste.de/ and select Ruby as the language | Rails questions? Ask in #RubyOnRails | Books: https://goo.gl/wpGhoQ | Logs: https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby | Can't talk? Register/identify with Nickserv first!

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06:12 <al2o3-cr> i wasn't thinking last night, i can just do ' ' * size ffs.

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07:25 <Mrbuck> hi are there big changes betwwen ruby 1.9 and current version ?

07:25 <Mrbuck> like python2 and 3

07:29 <al2o3-cr> Mrbuck: quite a lot. take a look at the release notes for any ruby version here: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/releases/

07:30 <Mrbuck> ruby website is down by the way

07:30 <Mrbuck> not openng

07:30 <Mrbuck> now up

07:30 <Mrbuck> al2o3-cr: thank you

07:31 <al2o3-cr> Mrbuck: np ;)

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17:29 <Mrbuck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Ht27r7ROk lol this guy

17:30 <Mrbuck> he think languages are dead because there are no tutorials

17:30 <Mrbuck> though I agree less jobs with ruby that reason is so bad

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17:51 <Mrbuck> can some one become my client and give me ruby work? I accept very low payment

17:53 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Plenty of folk will pay you to write Ruby, but typically not low pay. Are you a Rubyist?

17:54 <Mrbuck> havenwood: used 1.9 and then not into programming job for almost 5years

17:54 <Mrbuck> I can learn programming fast

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17:55 <havenwood> Mrbuck: We're currently hiring for multiple positions that'd primarily be in Ruby. https://careers.squareup.com/us/en/jobs?role%5B%5D=Software%20Engineering

17:56 <Mrbuck> havenwood: that is very big company and may need deep knowledge

17:56 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Nothing wrong with a little Ruby contracting! I've enjoyed doing that too.

17:56 <Mrbuck> I can do some projects by google help

17:56 <havenwood> Mrbuck: If you can find a niche where you do good work, folk will likely want to hire you.

17:57 <Mrbuck> havenwood: my plan is to find some passive income and learn more

17:57 <Mrbuck> havenwood: also bots rejeting my resume

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17:57 <Mrbuck> rejectig*

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17:59 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Yeah, I followed a path along those lines. I got my first Ruby gig from a startup that formed out of a hackathon. Then I did contracting for a couple years for several startups.

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18:00 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Yeah, this whole AI psuedo science that has gotten popular with HR depts is disturbing. DHH was talking about that recently, iir.

18:00 <Mrbuck> havenwood: I have 2 options learn pythonor ruby...I noticed every one into python so I dont like to touch it due to heavy competition

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18:01 <Mrbuck> though I should say every one into programming

18:01 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Both Python and Ruby are great. Most jobs I see around these parts want you to show competence in at least one language, but which language isn't so important.

18:01 <Mrbuck> as both are same

18:01 <Mrbuck> havenwood: true but I am specific about bots

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18:01 <Mrbuck> I cant add some experinec on X language

18:01 <Mrbuck> without working on it

18:02 <havenwood> I just completely ignore listed languages. People list things they can't do a fizz buzz in all the time. Or they don't list languages they're a committer on. It's too wildly arbitrary to give any signal whatsoever.

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18:05 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Have any Ruby code you're working on to share or get comments on?

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18:05 <Mrbuck> havenwood: I am making some rails app

18:05 havenwood changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: https://ruby-community.com | Ruby 2.6.5, 2.5.7, 2.7.0-preview3: https://www.ruby-lang.org | Paste 4+ lines of text to https://dpaste.de/ and select Ruby as the language | Rails questions? Ask in #RubyOnRails | Books: https://goo.gl/wpGhoQ | Logs: https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby | Can't talk? Register/identify with Nickserv first!

18:05 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Nice

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18:07 <Mrbuck> havenwood: I will post the code in a week and then i will start looking

18:08 <bougyman> rbenv doesn't have preview3 yet :\

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18:11 <sameerynho> hey folks, does ruby still have the GIL ?

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18:13 <havenwood> sameerynho: CRuby does but other major implementations do not.

18:13 <havenwood> sameerynho: The plan is to add Guilds in Ruby 3, which will allow CRuby to spike multiple cores from a single process.

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18:15 <Mrbuck> when ruby3 will be released?

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18:15 <sameerynho> havenwood: interesting

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18:15 <havenwood> Mrbuck: The plan is Christmas 2020.

18:16 <Mrbuck> I asked just few hours back about any major changes like python 2 vs 3

18:16 <havenwood> sameerynho: Here's a recent talk about parallel performance in TruffleRuby: https://youtu.be/EEzY91Fc-ng

18:16 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Matz is determined not to introduce a Python 2/3 style scenario.

18:16 <sameerynho> havenwood:thanks mate

18:16 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Ruby 2.7 is a path towards Ruby 3.

18:16 <havenwood> sameerynho: Any time!

18:17 <havenwood> sameerynho: JRuby is the most stable GIL-free implementation, by far.

18:17 <havenwood> Mrbuck: Here's an article I wrote about Ruby 3: https://developer.squareup.com/blog/rubykaigi-and-the-path-to-ruby-3/

18:18 <Mrbuck> havenwood: thank you I will read it now

18:18 <havenwood> sameerynho: ^ it covers a bit about guilds, but very high level

18:18 <sameerynho> havenwood: it's been a while since i used ruby, i'm wokring on a C++ extension for python at the moment and let me tell you Python is a mess under the hood

18:18 <sameerynho> havenwood: so i was like what about ruby :D

18:19 <havenwood> sameerynho: I really like TruffleRuby a lot under the hood. It's a lot of fun to contribute to since it's largely written in Ruby.

18:19 <sameerynho> havenwood: TruffleRuby is the one on GraalVM right ?

18:19 <havenwood> sameerynho: Yup

18:20 <havenwood> sameerynho: https://github.com/oracle/truffleruby/tree/master/src/main/ruby/truffleruby/core

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18:20 <sameerynho> havenwood: i love GraalVM and their approach

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18:21 <havenwood> sameerynho: Then a really fast startup time (without gems, but still) with Substrate VM: https://eregon.me/blog/2019/04/24/how-truffleruby-startup-became-faster-than-mri.html

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18:22 <sameerynho> havenwood: if you're into graalvm checkout https://quarkus.io/

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18:23 <havenwood> sameerynho: Twitter is enabling Graal with their Scala code. You can enable Graal with JRuby too, which looks pretty promising.

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18:23 <havenwood> sameerynho: Thanks for sharing, I hadn't see quarkus. :)

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18:25 <havenwood> sameerynho: That reminds me of playing with Clojure from JRuby a while ago: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/5654484

18:26 <havenwood> It's surprisingly easy to do.

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18:29 <sameerynho> havenwood: niceeeeee

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