#ruby on 2019-11-24 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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21:43 <dostoyevsky> Will ruby ever catch up to e.g. python?

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21:54 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: Python 2 or Python 3?

21:55 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: Isn't Ruby already beyond caught up unless you group the two? ;P

21:55 <dostoyevsky> havenwood: more to things like pytorch/tensorflow/tf, sklearn, gensim, sympy

21:56 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: I wouldn't spend much time worrying about popularity between the top ten languages. That said, if you need something specific, use the language it's best implemented in.

21:56 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: Right tool for the job, and so on.

21:56 <dostoyevsky> havenwood: I think python already made all the unicode changes in 1.9 that python did for migration to 3

21:56 <dostoyevsky> s/python/ruby/

21:56 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: That doesn't keep half the users of the language from using exclusively Python 2, unfortunately,

21:57 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: We'll see if formal EoL helps, but I fear it'll more just for the Python community. We'll see!

21:57 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: In any case, Matz is determined for that not to happen with Ruby 3. :)

21:57 <dostoyevsky> havenwood: yeah, I think just EOLing a language like python now is doing is a big mistake... and maybe people start looking for other scripting languages again... I just miss ruby

21:58 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: What'd ya stop Ruby for?

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21:59 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: Ruby never went away. It just got popular enough not to be cool. You can still use it.

21:59 <dostoyevsky> havenwood: I didn't really stop with ruby, still use it.. but mostly in places where you would use shell scripts...

21:59 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: I use shell scripts where I'd use shell scripts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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22:00 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: What do you wish you were using Ruby for?

22:01 <dostoyevsky> I often will start with ruby, and then dump stuff into json... which I load from python to run some statistical algorithms, or use one of those other fancy python libraries...

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22:03 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: Python is popular with data science. There are a variety of Ruby options on that front but Python has more broadly used libs in that particular area.

22:04 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: You can use TS, SciRuby, etc, but they don't get as much love since far fewer folk use Ruby for that particular task.

22:05 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: FWIW, you can call sympy, torch, etc from Ruby: https://github.com/mrkn/pycall.rb

22:05 <dostoyevsky> yeah, I can't even imagine how much work it would be to have something like numpy in ruby...

22:06 <havenwood> TruffleRuby also interops very nicely without speed penalty.

22:06 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: You can just use Numpy from Ruby, which is easier.

22:07 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: It's nice that these days you can more and more cleanly use libraries across languages. :)

22:07 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: That way you can use the language you'd like, regardless of what the library you need was written in.

22:08 <dostoyevsky> https://libraries.io/rubygems/numpy -- haha, interesting

22:08 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: Yeah, there are lots of ways to get at Numpy from Ruby these days.

22:09 <dostoyevsky> https://github.com/mrkn/scikit-learn.rb

22:09 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: http://sciruby.com/

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22:11 <havenwood> dostoyevsky: https://towardsdatascience.com/ruby-plotting-with-galaaz-an-example-of-tightly-coupling-ruby-and-r-in-graalvm-520b69e21021

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23:13 <dostoyevsky> Has anyone used ruby with apache spark?

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23:21 <dostoyevsky> https://github.com/ondra-m/ruby-spark

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