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<gendarme> does ruby have http as part of its standard library?
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<al2o3-cr> gendarme: yes
<gendarme> ok, good to know :)
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<gitter1234> Hello! Can anybody recommend any funny, hard-to-google CAPTCHA questions?
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<ytti> hard to google but easy for human to answer?
<gitter1234> Yep
<ytti> interesting question, intuitively it seems like that's not possible
<gitter1234> From what i understand some bots know how to search google
<ytti> maybe if you have non-representative population there could be something
<gitter1234> hmm
<gitter1234> non-representative population? what do you mean?
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<ytti> like you know your population does not represent whole population, perhaps it is self-selected to some interest group or something
<gitter1234> i figured i'd add https://github.com/matthutchinson/acts_as_textcaptcha to my app. I also just installed and ran https://brakemanscanner.org/
<ytti> something you can assume about the set of population who would be answering the CAPTCHA
<ytti> but if it must be representative of whole population, i suspect there are no such questions
<gitter1234> aah yeah
<ytti> textcapcha.com first example
<ytti> 'If tomorrow is Saturday, what day is today?'
<gitter1234> hehe
<ytti> this of course assumes non-represenative population
<ytti> you must know english rather well
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<ytti> but they do admit it is for english speakers
<gitter1234> i like that
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<ytti> textcaptcha.com basically is reading comprehension test
<ytti> which is admittedly difficult problem for ML/AI
<ytti> however, so is reading comprehension difficult to any human not knowning that language
<ytti> as anyone who ever studied foreign language and took reading comprehension tests in non-native language can attest
<ytti> but if we can assume population who understand english well, i think that is reasonable answer
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<gitter1234> yep
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<gitter1234> this captcha will be limited to a specific country and their language.. i guess that in itself is a plus
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<ytti> yah i think reading comprehension is fair answer to the question then
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<ytti> then again, i think some languages are easy for machine reading comprehension
<ytti> like languagees which haven't evolved too far from pictograms are easier for machine to parse
<ytti> like chinese
<ytti> maybe korean
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<adam12> gitter1234: Reverse captchas are generally fairly effective.
<gitter1234> adam12: Never heard about those.
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<TzilTzal> Hi
<TzilTzal> Is anyone familiar with Que? Can't understand why a Que::Job isn't executed...
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<adam12> TzilTzal: You're running the job worker somewhere?
<TzilTzal> Yes, with an ActiveRecord adapter...
<TzilTzal> it commits the job to the database but the Job never actually gets executed ;(
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<adam12> TzilTzal: Sounds like it doesn't see the jobs in the database. Are you passing any flags to `que`? when you run it?
<TzilTzal> yeah
<TzilTzal> I get #<PG::Result:0x007f8d63a62f50 status=PGRES_TUPLES_OK ntuples=1 nfields=8 cmd_tuples=1> from the db
<TzilTzal> so seems like it was written
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<TzilTzal> What exactly is supposed to schedule a job that's been committed to the db?
<adam12> TzilTzal: The `que` binary that you run.
<TzilTzal> que binary?
<adam12> TzilTzal: You run it the same way you run your app server (rails server, puma, whatever).
<TzilTzal> I'm running a padrino server
<adam12> TzilTzal: You'll run `que` in the same way. But que doesn't support Padrino for environment setup AFAIK, so you'll need to tell Que how to connect to database, etc.
<adam12> (unless there's a config/environment.rb in Padrino which might work automatically.
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<TzilTzal> well, it seems to connect on the padrino side... (it uses an ActiveRecord adapter).. but I can't see any workers being created.
<TzilTzal> Are you referring to some separate que binary ?
<TzilTzal> which is shipped with the gem?
<adam12> TzilTzal: Yes. It's separate, shipped with the gem.
<TzilTzal> ouch
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<adam12> TzilTzal: You need to start it. Jobs are run out-of-process (So not inside padrino server)
<TzilTzal> lovely.
<adam12> TzilTzal: If that doesn't work for you, you likely need something like Suckerpunch.
<TzilTzal> That explains a lot.
<TzilTzal> *sigh*
<TzilTzal> Thanks a lot for the help!
<adam12> TzilTzal: Cheers!
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<gitter1234> adam12: LOL @ reversed captchas
<gitter1234> * reverse
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<TzilTzal> adam12: it seems to have picked up one job in about 5 minutes....
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<TzilTzal> actually, I think it might be working ok
<adam12> TzilTzal: Great! I use Que as my main job queue on almost everything (tho I'm not on 1.0 yet). It does 1000's of jobs a day for me without fail.
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<laudecay> sqlite error?
<laudecay> idk who maintains rubydoc but it broke :(
<adam12> laudecay: Maintained by lsegal who's online in the #yard channel.
<laudecay> thx adam12
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<QuakePhil> looking for sample ruby code that streams protobuf2 and protobuf3... any links and/or pointers would be appreciated!
<smccarthy> Hi, if I have obj = { key1: { key2: "value" } } , is there a way that obj[:key1][:key3][:key4] will not throw an error , NoMethodError (undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass) ? Something where it defaults to nil or something ? Besides doing a check that each key is there before checking the next key ?
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<al2o3-cr> smccarthy: Hash#dig
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<al2o3-cr> &>> {:key1=>{:key2=>"value"}}.dig(:key1, :key3, :key4)
<rubydoc> stderr: playpen: timeout triggered! (https://carc.in/#/r/8fxe)
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<smccarthy> al2o3-cr: thank you ! perfect
<al2o3-cr> smccarthy: np ;)
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<z4phod> hello !
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<havenwood> z4phod: hi!
<z4phod> how i can add new line in rails console when i edit history please ?
<z4phod> (rails 6)
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<z4phod> i can see the whole block now, but i don't know how add new line (when i did enter, that's run)
<phaul> laudecay: are you referring to playpen time outs or there is an other issue?
<phaul> laudecay: adam12: that's news to me, afaik I maintain it
<phaul> the eval part (carc.in) is maintained by jhass
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<z4phod> my problem appear with ruby 2.7 and reline ...
<phaul> oh. nvm completely misunderstood you guys. you are talking about the ruby-doc website.
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<laudecay> phaul: apparently a known issue
<phaul> ok, nvm I thought you were talking about the channel bot, also called rubydoc :)
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<laudecay> pros and cons of cancancan versus pundit?
<havenwood> laudecay: pundit keeps it nicely parallel. there are more maintainers of cancancan.
<laudecay> "nicely parallel" ?
<laudecay> in what senses?
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<havenwood> laudecay: your authorization is in parallel files to your regular code, rather than entangled in the same file. the difference is both aesthetic and practical.
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<havenwood> laudecay: its codebase is also 1/3 the size
<havenwood> a third the files, a third the lines of code, a third the comments
<havenwood> (ish)
<laudecay> ohhhhh wowee
<laudecay> thank you
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<laudecay> so for devise gem with jwt authentication on the API like so: https://medium.com/@mazik.wyry/rails-5-api-jwt-setup-in-minutes-using-devise-71670fd4ed03
<laudecay> if i was to do omniauth stuff to authenticate with devise, when we deactivate a user in the outside service provider, would API access stop working too?
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<juria_roberts> How do i do a join but also add the separator as a prefix?
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