00:04 <isd> https://github.com/sandstorm-io/capnproto/issues/323

00:06 <isd> XgF: I'm skeptical that you'd be able to find a complete one-size-fits-all set easily

00:06 <XgF> isd: not one-size-fits-all but a few "common baselines" which should work most of the time

00:08 <XgF> e.g. base_hostname("org.capnproto") package("capnp") module("schema") -> capnp::schema in C++, crate "capnp" mod "schema" in Rust, "org.capnproto.schema" in Java

00:08 <isd> I feel like you could just infer package from the filename

00:09 <XgF> does Go permit namespaces called "c++"? :-)

00:09 <isd> ...whcih I'm doing currently, just in a makefile instead of via the capnp tools

00:09 <isd> XgF: not as the package name. can be part of the import path

00:09 <XgF> Anyhow, a "standard manifest" might be useful which you can augment using language-specific annotations

00:14 <isd> I think something like what I describe in the issue would a good mechanism to have. Could probably get basic stuff like package name without it, but even just in principle, you should need all of the language-specific oddities shipped with the protocol schema itself.

00:14 <isd> Does capnp give the language plugin the filename it's working on?

00:15 <isd> If so it could come up with something sensible from that.

00:15 <XgF> it has a way of passing extra params to the plugin so you could always do things that way

00:17 <asheesh> /win

00:17 <asheesh> ...

00:17 <isd> XgF: is that documented somewhere?

00:18 <XgF> I can't remember

00:19 <isd> doesn't show up under capnp --help or capnp compile --help

16:27 <cristipp> good morning everyone

16:27 <cristipp> very new to sandstorm

16:29 <cristipp> wondering how would one go to implement a "personal search" sandstorm app.

16:31 <cristipp> the challenge is that a search app would have to index as many grains as possible. this sounds against the grain [sic] of the grain model, as now a single app has access to all the grains.

16:31 <cristipp> thoughts?

16:34 <dwrensha> cristipp: we eventually want to have platform-level support for grain search

16:35 <dwrensha> each grain would be able to opt-in to implementing an indexing API

16:36 <cristipp> as a developer, how would i make it work satisfactory for the user? i'm bad at coding, especially at security minded coding, so the app will have bugs

16:37 <cristipp> to make it work well, i need to both read the grains _and_ make http requests, at least to periodically update my magic sauce database.

16:38 <cristipp> in a standard secutity model, the app asks for a. read all grains and b. talk to the internet, which sounds like a complete disaster :)

16:39 <cristipp> s/my magic sauce database/the app's local magic sauce database/

16:39 <dwrensha> why would it need to make http requests?

16:39 <cristipp> it needs a database of "understand English", which is updated / improved periodically

16:40 <dwrensha> how frequently? could those updates could conceivably be app updates?

16:40 <cristipp> i guess we could go with "monthly updates"

16:40 <dwrensha> also, sorry, this is a fascinating conversation, but I'm on my way out the door now. I hope someone else here can continue to field your questions!

16:41 <cristipp> thanks for your input, have a great day!

19:28 <pdurbin> asheesh: what's new?

19:30 <asheesh> In random unrelated to Sandstorm Asheesh life news, I'm generally feeling great today, which is nice.

19:32 <asheesh> There are all these people working on apps the last few days.

19:32 <asheesh> I feel impressed and slightly overwhelmed, but in a good way, at least for now.

19:52 <pdurbin> asheesh: cool. The sun finally came out here.

23:07 <audionerd> hi all, I'm working on my first Sandstorm install on a personal Linux machine here on my desk. sudo sandstorm status says it's running; pasting admin token URLs into Chrome doesn't produce a page

23:08 <audionerd> are there any typical router or firewall tweaks I need to make?

23:09 <audionerd> I'm checking out http://gemlog.ca/index.php/2-uncategorised/1-howto-self-host-sandstorm-io at the moment

23:22 <audionerd> just forwarded ports 6080, 80 and 443 on my router, to the Linux box in question (like that article says), it's working now

23:52 <pdurbin> audionerd: good job. It makes me wonder if that information is in the Sandstorm docs or not.