04:03 <crab> isd: yes, startup is what seems to be the problem. are there any applicable solutions?

04:06 <isd> Honestly I don't know what the underlying issue is. I don't think it's the apps, since I've seen this with things I've written myself and that start basically instantly when I run them outside of sandstorm. I'm going to open a bug for this.

04:25 <isd> https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues/2975

04:31 <crab> thanks.

04:38 <crab> so far, i'm using wekan, etherpad, rocket.chat, and radicale, though i've tried out a bunch of other apps too.

04:38 <crab> radicale is the reason i installed sandstorm to begin with. but now that i have it running, it's kinda sad.

04:58 <isd> Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled with radicale

04:59 <isd> We could use a better calendar app

05:00 <isd> Also, if anyone wants to do something super helpful: the latest version of rocket.chat doesn't build for sandstorm; fixing that would be awesome, esp. since it's introduced stuff like video chat (which iirc isn't in the version on the app market)

05:01 <isd> I am not terribly well versed in the node.js/meteor world; I am probably not the right person to troubleshoot

05:04 <isd> Signing off for the night. 'night all.

07:48 <greenbigfrog> I just installed sandstorm and ran into issues directly

07:49 <greenbigfrog> https://hastebin.com/ofozeqijil.sql

07:50 <greenbigfrog> ok. the issue is that it isn't run as root (I installed dev version), but shouldn't rather directly tell me that it should be run as root instead of

07:50 <greenbigfrog> uncaught exception

10:50 <crab> some of the apps just don't work. draw.io never loads (always tells me to reload). laverna just spins forever.

12:58 <TimMc> Hmm. draw.io woked for me, except for the period of a few months where it didn't. :-)

13:01 <Lord> do you have enough ram crab ?

13:26 <crab> i have 64GB on the server where it's running.

13:27 <crab> and it's got an 8-core i7-6700 CPU that's mostly idle.

13:27 <Lord> it's above "just enough"

13:28 <crab> i should hope so :-)

13:33 <crab> i managed to get the android rocket.chat app talking to my sandstorm-ed rocket.chat server. just paste in the webkey, that's all. neat.

14:07 <TimMc> I'm running Sandstorm on a 10 year old HP laptop I found in the neighbor's trash mountain on move-out day. :-P

14:45 <crab> now where am i going to get one of those? i don't think any of my neighbours even have computers. :-P

14:47 <crab> «But with grains, there is hope. Each grain’s storage can be encrypted transparently with a different key by Sandstorm. Since Sandstorm is in charge of access control, it can “wrap” the key for each user who is meant to have access. When a grain is granted permission to talk directly to some other grain, it can store a copy of the other grain’s key in its own storage, thus creating a key

14:47 <crab> derivation graph mirroring the access control graph. All of this can be completely transparent to the apps.»

14:48 <crab> is this an existing feature?

14:48 <crab> (quoting from sandstorm.io/how-it-works)

14:48 <crab> because if it's already that way, i love it.

15:43 <crab> it's not only app startup that's slow for me. when i try to open an ipython^Wjupyter notebook, it takes ages.

15:43 <crab> of course, it doesn't matter much because i can't install python modules so lots of things don't work.

16:29 <TimMc> crab: I think that's just a planned feature.

16:29 <TimMc> Last I checked, I was able to just view grain files on disk.

16:47 <crab> pity.