02:30 <crab> well, i'm slowly working my way up to developing some apps for sandstorm.

02:30 <crab> but the slowness is a definite drawback.

05:47 <ocdtrekkie> crab: Someone a lot smarter than me is going to have to figure out why that's occurring.

05:48 <ocdtrekkie> georgeowell: I think updating a lot of the apps are probably low-hanging fruit because most of the work to make them work in Sandstorm is already done. I was discussing Telescope with someone last week: https://github.com/jparyani/Telescope/issues/10

05:48 <ocdtrekkie> Meteor ports are pretty easy, I could probably do the new version if I had time (but I don't).

05:49 <crab> do you perhaps have time to talk someone else through it?

05:50 <ocdtrekkie> Very possibly. I worked with xet7 on setting up Wekan packaging, and that's meteor-spk based as well.

05:51 <ocdtrekkie> I have pretty reasonable leeway on communicating with folks throughout the day, but from work and other places I end up I rarely have time to sit at home, spin up the Linux VM and :do:.

05:55 <crab> well, i want to dedicate a few cycles towards sandstorm, but in terms of updating packages, i have absolutely no idea where to start. i guess i should read the vagrant-spk docs first and get it set up?

05:56 <ocdtrekkie> The docs give a pretty good idea how to get started. vagrant-spk's tutorial is decent. Though I am generally used to using the regular spk tool or meteor-spk. (I do not believe vagrant-spk will currently work for Meteor apps.)

05:57 <crab> oh.

05:59 <ocdtrekkie> Basically, spk is the Sandstorm packaging tool, and then meteor-spk is a tool which handles Meteor dependencies so you can port Meteor apps easily, and vagrant-spk does a few things, like setting up development in a VM so you can package apps from OS X or Windows machines, and it automates setup of a few different platforms.

06:02 <ocdtrekkie> In most cases, the 'easiest' way to update an app is probably going to be to continue using whatever way it was set up to begin with.

06:02 <crab> and how do i find out what that is?

06:04 <ocdtrekkie> Pretty much any app with a .sandstorm folder is vagrant-spk. Anything with a .meteor folder (without a .sandstorm folder) is meteor-spk. And everything else is just spk.

07:19 <xet7> crab: Here is most of the steps I use for packaging Wekan: https://github.com/wekan/wekan-maintainer/wiki/Building-Wekan-for-Sandstorm

07:28 <crab> xet7: wow, thanks.

07:29 <crab> that's… quite an involved procedure.

07:33 <xet7> crab: Things missing from that page: using command to build spk package, signing package for Sandstorm. I will add those sometime.

07:35 <xet7> After I get Wekan spk signed for Sandstorm etc

07:35 <xet7> I do have instructions for that from ocdtrekkie but I have not done all steps yet

13:54 <ocdtr_web> crab: Note that a bunch of that was mitigating specifically an issue with Ubuntu's kernel. meteor-spk should more or less "just work" with other flavors of Linux.

13:54 <ocdtr_web> I actually can't click GitHub links at the moment because GitHub is failing to succeed at TLS handshakes today.

14:13 <TimMc> https://status.github.com/messages Looks like they're working on it...

14:24 <ocdtr_web> Yeah, I saw that. I'm just glad GitHub access for me is a hobby and not a job requirement.

14:29 <ocdtr_web> GitHub works again! :D

17:20 <frigginglorious> holy fuck you guys wheres the sun tho?!

18:46 <TimMc> My 2 year old thought it was pretty cool and now she wants to stare at the sun. X-|