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<trogdoro> ~/xiki-master/
<trogdoro> + misc/
<trogdoro> - help_topics/
<trogdoro> - Typing_Control_X_Strains_My_Fingers.notes
<trogdoro> - External_Shell_Keyboard_Shortcuts.notes
<trogdoro> - faq/
<trogdoro> - Some_FAQ_Question.notes
<trogdoro> - Another_Question.notes
<trogdoro> man, I wish you could copy multiple lines in irc without it including the username :/
<trogdoro> thams: if you’re interested in pairing on doing that restructuring, it could be fun
<trogdoro> thams: and probably wouldn’t take that long
<thams> Sure. I’m ridiculous-busy right now, but I think things get better for me next week. I’ll start by throwing stuff in for you from this conversation, and maybe leave reorganization of it for next week.
<trogdoro> thams: cool!
<trogdoro> thams: an advantage of a “help topics” and “faq” format, is that they could just be unorganized lists
<trogdoro> the topics won’t necessarily have to be organized into a cohesive order
<trogdoro> they can be just a title and a description and maybe some steps
<trogdoro> and could start out small
<trogdoro> and maybe down the road when there are like 20 or 50 of them, doing some kind of organization (probably by making topics that link to other topics) could be in order
<thams> good point
<trogdoro> tags documentation
<trogdoro> tags: documentation
<trogdoro> tags: trying to figure out the irc log search
<trogdoro> for some reason, it won’t find “tag”, but “tags” is fine
<trogdoro> http://irclog.whitequark.org/xiki/search?q=“tags+documentation”
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<buzz07630072> I get a warning (el4r-ruby-error) at the bottom left when starting xiki
<buzz07630072> is that expected?
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: sry, one sec
<buzz07630072> @trogdoro -- are you a mighty dragon?
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: I do enjoy burninating the countryside from time to time
<trogdoro> :)
<buzz07630072> lol
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: are things working ok, other than the warning?
<buzz07630072> yeah
<buzz07630072> it works just fine
<buzz07630072> i guess its a non-issue really :)
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: maybe try Alt+L to jump to the log, and see what the errors are
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: does the “(el4r-ruby-error)” message keep coming back?
<buzz07630072> every time i start xsh
<buzz07630072> 18:27:24:615 Error: <Broken pipe - (Errno::EPIPE)> (Session::ExecutionError)
<buzz07630072> from kernel/common/io.rb:2406:in `write'
<buzz07630072> from kernel/common/io.rb:1737:in `printf'
<buzz07630072> from /Users/buzz/xiki-master/misc/libs/session.rb:469:in `send_command'
<buzz07630072> from /Users/buzz/xiki-master/misc/libs/session.rb:368:in `execute'
<buzz07630072> from kernel/bootstrap/proc.rb:20:in `call'
<buzz07630072> from kernel/bootstrap/thread.rb:391:in `__run__'
<buzz07630072> /tmp/el4r-buzz.53461.log:251
<buzz07630072> down-mouse-1-
<buzz07630072> I can navigate into xsh fine though
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: I get a Broken pipe error in my log as well
<trogdoro> my stack trace is different from yours
<trogdoro> but it might not be related
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: maybe try running “$ xsh -i”
<trogdoro> and see if it gives you a better error message
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: what is your os?
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: and what do these show?
<trogdoro> $ ruby —version
<trogdoro> ignore that
<trogdoro> $ ruby --version
<buzz07630072> yosemite
<trogdoro> $ emacs --version
<buzz07630072> rubinius 2.4.0 (2.1.0 7a231cbf 2014-12-01 3.5.0 JI) [x86_64-darwin14.0.0]
<buzz07630072> GNU Emacs 24.4.1
<buzz07630072> wait
<buzz07630072> i need to switch rubies
<buzz07630072> dont normally run rubinius
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: maybe that’s related to the message
<buzz07630072> ruby 2.2.0p0 (2014-12-25 revision 49005) [x86_64-darwin14]
<buzz07630072> xch -i has no warning and works just fine as well
<buzz07630072> xsh -i has no warning and works just fine as well
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: try running the “clearxsh” shell command now that you’ve switched rubies
<trogdoro> and seeing if the waring goes away
<trogdoro> warning
<buzz07630072> ^T Tasks ^K Keys ^Q Quit
<buzz07630072> Starting Emacs daemon.
<buzz07630072> Loading /Users/buzz/xiki-master/misc/emacs/start_xiki_daemon.el (source)...
<buzz07630072> Loading /Users/buzz/xiki-master/misc/emacs/start_xiki.el (source)...
<buzz07630072> Loading image...done
<buzz07630072> Loading disp-table...done
<buzz07630072> Loading cua-base...done
<buzz07630072> Loading edmacro...done
<buzz07630072> Loading xt-mouse...done
<buzz07630072> Loading /Users/buzz/xiki-master/misc/emacs/xsh.emacs...done
<buzz07630072> Loading /Users/buzz/xiki-master/misc/emacs/start_xiki.el (source)...done
<buzz07630072> Loading /Users/buzz/xiki-master/misc/emacs/start_xiki_daemon.el (source)...done
<buzz07630072> Error running timer: (el4r-ruby-error)
<buzz07630072> Unable to load color "#unspecified" [3 times]
<buzz07630072> this is after running on ruby 2.2.0
<buzz07630072> without the -i flag
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: where are you seeing that?
<trogdoro> it pops up on the screen?
<buzz07630072> when i click the warning on bottom left
<buzz07630072> The warning reads "Error running timer (el4r-ruby-error)"
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: is “Error running timer” what you saw before also?
<buzz07630072> yes
<buzz07630072> maybe this is a mac specific thing
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: I use the mac :)
<buzz07630072> i just updated to 10.10.3 yosemite recently too
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: I’m on 10.10.2
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: can you try using a ruby 2.1?
<buzz07630072> sure
<trogdoro> be back in a few minutes...
<buzz07630072> let me switch on my fry
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: be sure to run “clearxsh” before trying
<trogdoro> before trying xsh again
<buzz07630072> perfecto!
<buzz07630072> no issues with ruby 2.1.5
<buzz07630072> seems like its a 2.2.0 thing
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: hmm, must be a ruby 2.2 thing :/
<buzz07630072> thanks!
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: np!
<trogdoro> I’ll probably take a stab at fixing that at some point
<buzz07630072> I guess its not a problem until 2.2 becomes more mainstream
<trogdoro> buzz07630072: yeah, probably
<trogdoro> be back in a while!
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<Mikey74> Is there a web site that runs xiki for practicing when on Win
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<Mikey74> Can I use on iOS ?
<Mikey74> Will someone please answer...thanks
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<trogdoro> Here's some more testing for "tagging” stuff we say in irc…
<trogdoro> tag as: windows
<trogdoro> Red herring sentence with the word windows in it
<trogdoro> hashtag windows
<trogdoro> hashtag #windows
<trogdoro> hashtag #irc
<trogdoro> those last two seem like a decent convention I guess
<trogdoro> then you can see all tagged stuff via searching the irc logger
<Sublim3_> trogdoro, awesome !
<trogdoro> and search for specific hashtags by using quotes: http://irclog.whitequark.org/xiki/search?q=%22hashtag+windows%22
<trogdoro> it could be cool to make notes here in the irc channel, that we can refer people to later
<trogdoro> using “tags”
<trogdoro> like, I’m answering an email from a guy about what to do on windows
<chazu> nice idea. the actual # is kind of superfluous though innit
<trogdoro> chazu: yeah, I was kind of thinking that as well
<trogdoro> chazu: on the other hand, the visual distinction it makes is nice
<chazu> true...*shrug* either way its a nice idea
<trogdoro> my irc client actually turns #foo into a link to the irc “foo” channel
<trogdoro> which is slightly unfortunate
<chazu> haha
<chazu> irssi ftw
<chazu> actually irssi confuses me routinely, so disregard
<trogdoro> :)
<trogdoro> probably if “hashtag #foo” ends up feeling unintuitive, one of us will come up with something that seems better at some point
<trogdoro> my first intstinct was to use just “tag: windows”, but the irc log searcher can’t seem to find the word “tag”
<trogdoro> it uses the mysql full text engine, not sure if that’s related
<trogdoro> hashtag: windows
<trogdoro> hashtag #windows
<trogdoro> hashtag: #windows
<trogdoro> hmm, dunno
<Sublim3_> ht #windows ?
<trogdoro> seems like the string “hashtag” won’t pop up that much in common words talk, which is probably good
<Sublim3_> right
<trogdoro> Sublim3_: not bad, but people new to the convention will probably have to ask about it before they get “ht"
<Sublim3_> agreed, it is less intuitive
<trogdoro> I’m recommending to the guy with the windows question that he uses Vagrant (or possibly Docker) to install ubuntu 14.04, and pastes the one-line xiki installer in it to use it
<trogdoro> that should really go into the FAQ, or somewhere in the “$ xsh -help” command
<trogdoro> but I’m too lazy to do it right now:)
<Sublim3_> also on the github README :)
<trogdoro> Sublim3_: indeed, good point
<trogdoro> it seems much easier to just paste it in here for now, than to put thought into where it should go, and commit it there
<trogdoro> also, if other people ask and answer questions in this channel...
<trogdoro> if someone does “hashtag #foo” or whatever, on a line by itself, it’ll be around for posterity
<trogdoro> so we can give the link to others asking the same question later
<trogdoro> and it can be added to the documentation later
<trogdoro> just throwing out ideas - who knows if I’ll actually follow through on this
<trogdoro> but it seems cool at the moment :)
<trogdoro> I’ll try it with the windows question
<trogdoro> Question: I’m a windows user - how do I use Xiki?
<trogdoro> 1. Use Docker to install an Ubuntu virtual machine - https://docs.docker.com/installation/windows/
<trogdoro> probably intall a Ubuntu 14.04 vm
<trogdoro> 2. Paste the one-line installer from http://xiki.com into the shell console in your vm
<trogdoro> hashtag #windows
<trogdoro> Then if other people chimed in with suggestions, they’d be there as well
<trogdoro> And could be added to the docs later
<trogdoro> hashtag #documentation
<trogdoro> hashtag #hashtags
<trogdoro> hashtag #stupidhashtagpuns
<trogdoro> Actually, Vagrant is probably easier for people to get, who are not familiar with making vm’s
<trogdoro> Question: I’m a windows user - how do I use Xiki?
<trogdoro> 1. Use Vagrant to install an Ubuntu virtual machine - http://www.vagrantup.com/downloads
<trogdoro> (probably install an Ubuntu 14.04 vm)
<trogdoro> 2. Paste the one-line installer from http://xiki.com into the shell console in your vm
<trogdoro> hashtag #windows < Vagrant is easier than Docker
<trogdoro> hashtag #vagrant #vm
<trogdoro> hashtag #vm
<trogdoro> wait, I mean this doesn’t work: http://irclog.whitequark.org/xiki/search?q=%2Bhashtag+%2Bvm
<trogdoro> searching for: +hashtag +vm
<trogdoro> but searching for +hashtag +windows does work as expected (it finds only results that have both of those words)
<trogdoro> mysql full text search seems to have an issue with short words like “vm” and “tag"
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<trogdoro> Dang, I probably should have typed…
<trogdoro> FAQ Question: I’m a windows user - how do I use Xiki?
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<trogdoro> Then doing this search could bring up all the FAQ questions > http://irclog.whitequark.org/xiki/search?q=%22faq+question%22
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