##openfpga on 2017-09-17 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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22:08 <rqou> azonenberg_work: any last-minute stuff you want me to work on?

22:10 <azonenberg_work> rqou: Not that i can think of

22:10 <azonenberg_work> i'm working on improving TFF counter extraction to support non-power-of-two count values

22:10 <azonenberg_work> and possibly add support for detecting comparators against constants

22:11 <azonenberg_work> But that is a ways from happening so far

22:11 <rqou> ok

22:11 <azonenberg_work> i really want to get the uart demo looking nicer

22:11 <azonenberg_work> but i got the ice40 die shot

22:11 <azonenberg_work> that was the highest proirity

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22:12 <rqou> you still haven't imaged my coolrunners :P

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22:21 <azonenberg_work> rqou: i've been on like 70% travel the last two months

22:21 <azonenberg_work> give me a bit :p

22:21 * azonenberg_work is on a ferry to the airport for this con now

22:23 <awygle> Seattle maker faire was surprisingly good this year

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22:36 <rqou> oh btw, i was just told about yet another attempt at a python hdl: https://github.com/cornell-brg/pymtl

22:37 <rqou> we should make a "literature survey" page for HDL tech too

22:39 <awygle> ugh

22:39 <awygle> People who want new HDLs when there are no actual implementations of the ones we have are bad enough but why is it always python

22:40 <rqou> because it's a general-purpose batteries-included ecosystem?

22:42 <awygle> Maybe python being such a terrible language for software makes it a great language for hardware :-P

22:42 <rqou> why is it terrible? i've never found it to be that bad

22:43 <awygle> This is definitely a "me" problem, but I feel like Python combines the straight jacket nature of Ada with the type safety of Lisp

22:45 <awygle> Also the GIL is a crime

22:45 <rqou> oh yeah, GIL is terrible

22:46 <awygle> Grumpy grumpy complain complain :-P

22:46 <awygle> I still write more python than any other scripting language, now that C++ has moved on without me it's probably my 2nd best after C

22:47 <rqou> i'd rather have quick hacks be written in python rather than perl/tcl :P

22:47 <awygle> Ruby>perl>python for me (tcl doesn't even make the list)

23:01 <qu1j0t3> awygle: It's not always python. (Is this the cue for the monthly survey of VHHDLs?)

23:01 <rqou> yes, but please make a real list this time

23:01 <rqou> :P

23:01 <qu1j0t3> sigh, somebody should, this is an FAQ :)

23:01 <qu1j0t3> maybe I should

23:01 <qu1j0t3> i should probably do so only if prepared to road test them

23:10 <awygle> qu1j0t3: I'm not asking that FAQ, just complaining about python lol

23:10 <awygle> Other than python I've mostly seen erlang, which I've never used and have no opinion on

23:11 <awygle> What is VHHDL? Very High-level?

23:14 <qu1j0t3> awygle: Well, there are VHHDLS in Haskell, Scala, Ocaml, ... pretty much any language you can think of.

23:14 <qu1j0t3> awygle: no doubt we could find Scheme or Common Lisp ones

23:15 <qu1j0t3> awygle: the Haskell and Scala ones were relatively well known, i thought; i certainly heard of them long before I heard of Migen

23:15 <qu1j0t3> I did not know there was one in erlang, though :)

23:16 <qu1j0t3> (or before I heard of MyHDL)

23:21 <awygle> Iiiii was 100% thinking of Scala not erlang lol

23:39 <qu1j0t3> ah np

23:39 <qu1j0t3> :)

23:40 <qu1j0t3> my secret and unpopular opinion is that most of them would be a better first resort than verilog

23:40 * qu1j0t3 runz

23:40 <qu1j0t3> more of a suspicion than an opinion tbh

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