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<glosscross>
so
<glosscross>
at the core
<glosscross>
you'd all be miles ahead of yourselves, and infinitely better people, without IRC
<glosscross>
enjoy the transhumanism
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<JJJollyjim>
wut
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<_dust>
glad i never got into this nasty mess as a child
<_dust>
if twitter is a way for other people to give you intrusive thoughts
<_dust>
what's internet relay chat?
<_dust>
a place for abuse?
<JJJollyjim>
have i missed some context here lmao
<_dust>
you might have missed the burning self-hatred at the core of the openfpga movement
<_dust>
but it takes a log
<JJJollyjim>
sure have
<_dust>
log
<_dust>
time to delete a hundred seventy thousand updates from someone else's distributed database
<_dust>
so all your hate? it's going to stick around like coal tar, melted styrofoam
<_dust>
just turning everything
<_dust>
grey"
<JJJollyjim>
you clearly aren’t a markov chain, but i still can’t figure out what the fuck you mean
<_dust>
all the self-haters make a cult
<_dust>
a cult, coagulating around a technology, bubbling into a stew of fiberglass and copper and the-silicon-that-someone-spent-their-evenings-designing-instead-of-playing-with-their-child, and now you sell it for 5x cost out of your shop and remarket-it-with-catgirl-and-trans-jargon so you can pretend you never worked for google
<_dust>
pretend you never contributed
<_dust>
pretend you were n-ever a normal child
<_dust>
and you paint anime girls on it. why don't you just move to japan?
<_dust>
fpgas deserve to be closed source
<_dust>
and you name it after a city you visited once
<_dust>
you wrap it in the silk of words someone else wrote
<_dust>
outsource it to the guy whose history you never really thought about, or double checked
<_dust>
it turns out that when you reduce people to a bitstream
<_dust>
they become bit streams
<_dust>
this is all to say
<_dust>
fuck you
<_dust>
whitequark
<_dust>
and fuck you
<_dust>
all the enablers
<_dust>
you know who you are
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<figment>
quark aren't even white you fuckin headass
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<gatecat>
*quietly reduces themself to a bitstream*
<JJJollyjim>
goals
<JJJollyjim>
* transition time goals
<JJJollyjim>
(10 picoseconds)
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<whitequark[m]>
what
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<whitequark[m]>
are they... upset that i made glasgow with an open source fpga toolchain?
<whitequark[m]>
this is at the same time both incredibly specific and amazingly vague
<JJJollyjim>
right?
<whitequark[m]>
"fpgas deserve to be closed source" (key word: deserve) is something only a person affiliated with a vendor would say
<whitequark[m]>
so... hate mail from someone who regrets spending way too much of their life writing tooling for siliconblue?
<q3k>
i think hate mail from someone who is angry and/or hurt
<whitequark[m]>
clearly, yes. i sympathize; if they actually wanted to be hurtful, they had a lot of much easier and more effective ways to be so
<tnt>
but .. glasgow will sell ice40 chips ... and icecube is free anyway, there is no paid version of it, so I'm not really sure how an opentoolchain for ice40 can hurt lattice in any way.
<whitequark[m]>
this seems like it's personal to them, not about copyright or sales
<whitequark[m]>
they're not speaking out for their corporation, they're speaking out for themselves
<whitequark[m]>
(and in any case, if this person was involved in designing ice40 chips, they've probably quit lattice a decade ago)
<tnt>
sure, but I'd be pretty happy someone went to all that trouble to use my chip, that's what I don't get.
<tnt>
anyway ...
<whitequark[m]>
it's a value system where fpgas deserve to be closed source
<whitequark[m]>
it is, of course, incompatible with ours
<gatecat>
I can vaguely imagine concerns by people doing this stuff professionally about competition from people "doing it for free" (sic)
<hell__>
I would guess that some believe that an open-source alternative to their closed-source FPGA toolchain makes them "lose control" of their chips
<mwk>
whoa, that a good rant
<mwk>
... am I a whitequark enabler now and if so, can I get it on a t-shirt
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<implr>
doesn't feel to me like the 'deserve to be closed' part is a core of their argument, more like extra-troll-on-top derived from their hate for people here because of ?
<implr>
like a 'btw ur ugly' at the end of an unrelated rant
<rvense>
i think maybe they started with dislike for the people involved and worked backwards from there
<tnt>
any clue what "hundred seventy thousand updates from someone else's distributed database" is a reference to ?
<mwk>
also apparently if twitter is a way for other people to give you intrusive thoughts, then apparently IRC is a way for other poeple to deliver incoherent semi-anonymous rants
<JJJollyjim>
tnt: i assume the database is a git repo?
<JJJollyjim>
idk what has that many commits though
<JJJollyjim>
yosys is just over 1000
<JJJollyjim>
*10000
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<sorear>
amazing
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<sorear>
my first guess is tweet count, not sure if that's still exposed anywhere
<sorear>
the "5x cost" thing is either about glasgow or [redacted] and is conspicuously wrong in either case
<Lofty>
Yeah, I have no clue how you come to margins like that
<whitequark[m]>
the amount of times i've been anywhere in scotland is zero
<whitequark[m]>
it's all just... subtly wrong
<q3k>
reverse-engineering hate rants is perfectly on brand for this community ^^
<Lofty>
It's named after where the FTDI headquarters are, right?
<whitequark[m]>
yes
<q3k>
hah, that's cool
<sorear>
some of the phrasing reminds me of [person who keeps bouncing elsewhere] but they would not make those factual mistakes
<Lofty>
There are a couple bits of context here that I don't understand, but I also feel like a public IRC channel might be the wrong place to ask
<hell__>
hah, TIL
<sorear>
the /16 is new to my logs
<q3k>
i don't think this should turn into CSI: whodunit?
<Lofty>
I'm guessing we can't get a +b here or something?
<whitequark>
why?
<whitequark>
they're not even abusive
<whitequark>
just hurt
<Lofty>
Misdirected hurt is not magically okay
<implr>
it's a comcast customer hostname, likely dynamic, +b would be useless
<hell__>
a +b could exacerbate the issue
<whitequark>
does anyone here feel personally uncomfortable with that rant?
<Lofty>
If it was directed at me, I think I would
<Lofty>
I'd say I'm lucky to remain "quiet", but 800 followers increasingly feels "less quiet"
<q3k>
i condemn this rant and would like to ensure that this doesn't drive away from the community (ie. because someone takes this as a signal to not participate because they might be abused), but i'm not personally offended
<whitequark>
q3k: that's fair.
<q3k>
i think these should be unaccapteable, but considering the circumstances (unknown author, first incident, dynamic IP block, seemingly no-one personally uncomfortable) there's nothing actionable to be done here at this point?
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<sorear>
>> you can pretend you never worked for google << this is an extremely specific shoulder chip that I'm certain I've seen before
<whitequark[m]>
(i have, in fact, never worked for google)
<agg>
and yet you have successfully built aosp on more than one occasion...
<agg>
(/s)
<implr>
it is an interesting curiosity if you look past the hate
<implr>
why would a person arrive at this _extremely specific_ set of grievances
<whitequark[m]>
when you put it like that it sounds a lot more unhealthy, tbh
<implr>
oh, not intended
<implr>
yeah that first line sounds bad now that i read it again, sorry
<sorear>
nice of this person to not be romantically obsessed
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<sorear>
well i can't find it, not sure if i'm imagining things
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<kc8apf>
I really can't tell if they are upset with claire, mithro, marcan, or whitequark. It's a hodgepodge of references to various people and events.
<kc8apf>
is this a Xilinx employee upset at prjxray and taking it out on the whole community? someone hurt by that toxic person claire got away from?
<marcan>
what drama did I miss?
<mwk>
an IRC rant here, above
<marcan>
< _dust> and you paint anime girls on it. why don't you just move to japan?
<marcan>
lol I put the anime girl on there and I did, in fact, move to japan and that idea came to me while explaining glawgow to a japanese friend in a japanese restaurant thankyouverymuch
<marcan>
*glasgow
<marcan>
but anyway, that just sounds like a troll to me
<eater>
marcan: is that also why the M1 Linux is named after the beer?
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