<beoran4>
if you take more flash then there's no SD card
<beoran4>
although they have with 512bk flash but that would be USB programmable only
<ps2chiper>
hmm, is 128KB enough ram for you?
<beoran4>
it's not much, you'd need external ram I think
<beoran4>
so, maybe not this one then?
<beoran4>
perhaps I should go for SAM7 in stead?
<ps2chiper>
then i dong suggest an avr chip
<ps2chiper>
i suggest you go for a regular soc using spi flash and 1 sdram
<beoran4>
128 kb is the maximum on AVR32
<ps2chiper>
I guess so, i havent sen any larger
<wolfspraul>
beoran4: what was the last device you designed or manufactured?
<beoran4>
I'm a beginner, thank you
<beoran4>
so I'm all ears wwhen it comes to listening to more esperienced people. as long as you don't say it's "impossible" :p
<wolfspraul>
perfect, we are all
<wolfspraul>
oh, you certainly wouldn't and shouldn't care about "impossible"
<wolfspraul>
I have long given up on that
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
it's natural that people don't listen to that, I woudln't
<wolfspraul>
you will go in this direction for a while (the one you plan now), then you will learn a lot of things, then you will regroup/refocus around what you care about the most, etc.
<ps2chiper>
Then your wife will ask you to make more money, so you quit
<beoran4>
heh
<beoran4>
I already have been going in this direction for a while though, mentally speaking
<beoran4>
it's why I was interested in the ND and eon projects
<wolfspraul>
what you are planning there, also with your comparisons to GBA etc. is typically done by a total of hundreds of people
<wolfspraul>
so you either have to scale up a lot, or zoom in on what you exactly want to do
<wolfspraul>
imagine you want to fly to your cousin in Florida next summer, ok?
<wolfspraul>
summer 2012
<wolfspraul>
and on TV you have seen those nice large Boeing & Airbus airplanes that can take you there
<wolfspraul>
well. you decide to build and fly in your own
<wolfspraul>
should certainly be possible before the summer vacation?
<wolfspraul>
and you can make it more fuel-efficient than the big ones too, surely. which means you save money!
<wolfspraul>
off you go
<wolfspraul>
at least until summer 2012 you will have your hands full :-)
<wolfspraul>
then maybe until end-of 2012 you can have all sorts of excuses for the delays
<wolfspraul>
and sometime in 2013 maybe you decide to just buy a regular economy ticket and fly with the stuff that already exists :-)
<beoran4>
sure
<beoran4>
but that's saying "it's impossible" :)
<wolfspraul>
nah
<wolfspraul>
go build it
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
I say: IT'S GREAT!
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<beoran4>
german humar
<ps2chiper>
The chinese are trying to build their own aircraft
<beoran4>
humor
<wolfspraul>
but seriously - what is your main interest?
<wolfspraul>
can you zoom in a little?
<beoran4>
this is a bit simpler than an aircraft, though
<wolfspraul>
you can of course start like you describe above, but man, yes, I just know - you will not get very far :-)
<ps2chiper>
he wants a open source hand held video game he can dick around with
<beoran4>
ok, what do you mean "zoom in"
<wolfspraul>
how well can you read and design electrical circuits?
<wolfspraul>
do you have any mechanical engineering experience?
<wolfspraul>
I take it you are a software dev - all levels? kernel etc. all no problem?
<beoran4>
I can read circuits, no mechanical design, but I programmed on the bare hardware, I programmed atari2600 games
<ps2chiper>
wolfspraul, i already brow beaten him for a few months about these issues
<wolfspraul>
my analogy with the summer vacation and "let me quickly design my own airplane" may not be too far off
<wolfspraul>
you want to achieve a small goal. you want to have a game console for yourself? that's all?
<beoran4>
it's not an idea that I has suddenly
<wolfspraul>
maybe I just donate one to you to make you happy :-)
<ps2chiper>
you can use my atmega168 to make your own atari2600
<wolfspraul>
or you have a big goal in mind?
<ps2chiper>
the big coal is opencola
<wolfspraul>
if you have a small goal, and you try to reach it in the most difficult way, well. hard to help...
<beoran4>
ps2chiper: that's also one "big goal" yes.
<beoran4>
wolfspraul: I see what you mean, howeber, I'm not a teenager
<wolfspraul>
maybe it's just a hobby
<ps2chiper>
You can try making a toned down fuzebox for atari 2600 type games
<beoran4>
well, I want a bit more thna atari 2600 though :p
<beoran4>
and not only for myself
<ps2chiper>
yes, but i can donate the atmega168 chips to you
<beoran4>
ah I see
<wolfspraul>
there you go
<wolfspraul>
you almost made it
<beoran4>
rofl
<ps2chiper>
no, seriously, you can use the fuze box as an example
<ps2chiper>
that is atmega644
<beoran4>
wolfspraul: I get the distinct impression of not being taken serious, but I understand wy, too man ydreamers here, heh?
<ps2chiper>
the only difference is the ammount of pins and flash
<wolfspraul>
no no
<wolfspraul>
dreamers is good
<wolfspraul>
please continue down your path, and keep us posted
<wolfspraul>
I'm just saying: zoom in to what is really important to you
<wolfspraul>
the faster and the more you can zoom in, the better imho
<ps2chiper>
hey wolfspraul, im trying to get into router business again, do you have any openwrt devs you can toss my way?
<wolfspraul>
how would I do that
<ps2chiper>
like drawf tossing at the bar
<wolfspraul>
fire up your text editor, improve something, send a patch
<beoran4>
xwhat's really important to me is that it's a design that's easy to clone
<beoran4>
and easy to (mass) produce
<beoran4>
but also easy to make just one of
<ps2chiper>
I think wolfspraul finished beer o'clock
<ps2chiper>
now is drunk o'clock
<beoran4>
in other words, so I and othe rhobbyists can make it easily, but it could also be mass produced in a later stage
<beoran4>
fuzebox is not a bad idea but it's not handheld
<ps2chiper>
like i was saying, you could use the atmega168 for a tomagochi style device
<ps2chiper>
like a tomogochi obama
<beoran4>
hehehe
<beoran4>
would that sell well in china?
<beoran4>
it will need to say "yes we can!"
<ps2chiper>
yes it would
<beoran4>
and you have to feed it fried chicken
<ps2chiper>
OFC
<ps2chiper>
obama fried chicken
<beoran4>
rofl
<ps2chiper>
and waffles
<beoran4>
actually, the fusebox is a nice design just a tiny bit weaksauce for me
<ps2chiper>
or it can be a countdown to the next reelection
<beoran4>
but!
<ps2chiper>
well start low
<beoran4>
maybe it could be adjusted to a AVR32
<ps2chiper>
grind up
<beoran4>
64KB flash and 4KB of RAM
<beoran4>
if you look at that, then 128kb of ram isan ocean to swim in
<ps2chiper>
i suggest you stick to atmega168 since I have 2500 of them
<beoran4>
just have to page a lot to sd card
<beoran4>
how much ram/flash does that have?
<beoran4>
the atmega 168?
<ps2chiper>
ram, i need to check, flash 16KB
<ps2chiper>
20mhz speed
<beoran4>
probably too few ram to do color screens
<beoran4>
but monochrome would be possible
<ps2chiper>
hmm, well a black and white screen would suit obama well
<ps2chiper>
if your trying to make a classic tamagotchi with obama as the character, it will work well
<ps2chiper>
the bom would be about 5 dollars
<beoran4>
and coudl you sell it?
<beoran4>
can we use existing casings and screens?
<ps2chiper>
sure it would be a huge hit
<beoran4>
ok, let's try to make a design then
<beoran4>
cpu: atmega168
<ps2chiper>
no, you start with an atmega168 emulator
<beoran4>
ah, to see if I can implement it? :)
<beoran4>
I'd need to know what LCD screen to use though, but any way
<ps2chiper>
they have a ton of lcd to atmega168 project
<beoran4>
let me see
<ps2chiper>
i have a tv show for you, its called top secret recipe, its a food hacker so to speak, and he reverses secret recipes
<beoran4>
cool
<beoran4>
hmmm, can't seem to find an atmega168 emulator just yet
<beoran4>
muts be out there somewhere
<ps2chiper>
lets take it back to eon
<beoran4>
ok
<Ayla>
awesome project :D
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: (registers) thanks !
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: 068 = 0d
<kristianpaul>
21008 = 0
<wpwrak>
hmm, interesting
<wpwrak>
0x0d means 336/14 -> 24 MHz for the MMC controller
<wpwrak>
0 means bus_clock = mmc_clock/1
<wpwrak>
6 means bus_clock = mmc_clock/64
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: so your MMC should be able to transfer up to 12 MB/sec (minus overhead)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: while yours would do about 187 kB/sec
<wpwrak>
ps2chiper: (512 kB flash and ram) would that be flash+ram == 512 kB ? or flash == 512 kB && ram == 512 kB ?
<ps2chiper>
the 2nd part
<wpwrak>
(memory) ah .. you already went beyond that point
<qwebirc88488>
Hi
<zrafa>
wolfspraul: wpwrak : you there?
<zrafa>
qwebirc88488: hi
<qwebirc88488>
Are you "in the know" about the Nanonote?
<wpwrak>
(memory) the biggest atmel chip (any family) has 25 kB of RAM
<wpwrak>
zrafa: aye
<zrafa>
qwebirc88488: you can change your nick writting:Â Â /nick nickyouwant
<zrafa>
wpwrak: are you getting something from sharism these months? :)
<harrkev>
I was wondering if Nanonote was dead.  No update to the web site in months...
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: indeed, where are the monthly news ? :)
<zrafa>
wolfspraul: wpwrak : Miriam wants to buy a super embedded linux computer, and she would like to buy it from sharism. The one I got was paid by jlime so we do not know
<wpwrak>
zrafa: dunno ... so far, nothing is planned
<harrkev>
I have also read rumors of a Nanonote 2, but nothing in a year...
<wpwrak>
harrkev: these are just that, rumors. work on a NN2 (that would be the "Ya") hasn't started yet
<zrafa>
wolfspraul: wpwrak : how to buy it using our money :).. And if the shipping is okey from sharism -> arg (okey=no many surprises from customs)
<wpwrak>
harrkev: right now, most of the attention of qi-hw folks is on the milkymist one: http://milkymist.org/
<harrkev>
wpwrak:  Thanks.  I am considering getting a Nanonote and wanted to know that work was still on-going on the OS, but fixes, etc.  Thanks.
<wpwrak>
customs are tricky these days. i hope they're still letting personal shipments through
<wpwrak>
harrkev: yes, the distribution is still being maintained. if you look at the mailing list, there's still a fair bit of activity. and especially around distribution issues.
<harrkev>
K.  Thnx.  Bye
<mstevens>
looks for tuxbrain
<kristianpaul>
:_D
<kristianpaul>
with that MMC speed a 2 bit SDR could be posible :)
<kristianpaul>
or 1 bit at least ;)
<wpwrak>
hmm, one bit may actually work
<wpwrak>
MMC has a stream mode. i don't think ingenic implemented it as truly infinite, but at least with fewer limitations as SD
<wpwrak>
unfortunately, it's limited to 1 bit. if you try to set the bus to 4 bits, the controller won't even start
<jow_laptop>
kyak: can you explain me the purpose of "001-cache-amnesia.patch" in gcc-mips?
<jow_laptop>
kyak: I worked on an updated gcc package based on the Qi one which works on more platforms and got along without this patch
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: did something get worse with Argentine customs?
<wolfspraul>
and for rafa, maybe we can send it together with the next m1 board
<wolfspraul>
the one where Adam applied the final rc4 reset ic circuit (after we know what the final should be)
<zrafa>
wolfspraul: when would that be? .. Miriam is going to BA in december for sure. Maybe she can bring his new computer at that time?
<wolfspraul>
that could work, speed also depends on when Werner finalizes his rc4 recommendation
<wolfspraul>
Adam is on standby
<wolfspraul>
in fact I am constantly asking when Werner thinks Adam can start, but Werner is operating at a level that Adam cannot contribute to, so we have to wait for the result of Werner's analysis.
<wolfspraul>
but I think it's just a few days out, maybe a week
<zrafa>
wolfspraul: we will try to pay with our credit card today or tomorrow (real one :P ) .. and then we will talk with Yi (Yi is the name of her?) to coordinate the shipping. I will ask customs here in Neuquen as well
<zrafa>
so when we already decided the best way we can tell her and then to do the shipping
<wolfspraul>
huh? don't understand
<wolfspraul>
can we wait a week?
<zrafa>
yes, we can. sorry. I meant. We will buy it today or tomorrow, but we want to wait a while before sharism sends it , until we know the best way
<zrafa>
wolfspraul: ^
<wolfspraul>
if we combine into a shipment for Werner, shipping will be a lot cheaper
<wolfspraul>
so don't just buy in the webshop now, let me coordinate this with Werner first
<zrafa>
okey. great
<wolfspraul>
and THANKS A LOT for wanting to buy one!
<zrafa>
tell that to Miriam :) well... I will tell her ;)
<wolfspraul>
yes, please
<kristianpaul>
oh nice :)
<kristianpaul>
zrafa: what you plan to do with M1. i'm really curious :-)
<kristianpaul>
i guess you bring it to the Uni for some development* course?
<kristianpaul>
as on of the plans :)
<kristianpaul>
gottat go,i hoep get internet in the bus station :)
<wolfspraul>
not m1 - Ben
<ignatius_>
Is it possible to use USB devices with the Ben's USB port? Like, for example, a USB mouse? I've compiled "USB Host" into the kernel, and now, at boot up, it detects "usb0" with a MAC address. Does it work as a USB device? Or does it just support USB "Gadget" support? Not having a usable USB port seems like a waste of motherboard space to me.
<zear>
ignatius_, ben's usb port has no host support
<zear>
you can connect to it only devices that act as hosts themselves
<ignatius_>
What is the "usb0" than?
<zear>
usb networking?
<ignatius_>
Gadget?
<zear>
i'd say
<ignatius_>
Ok. I see. Thanks for the clarifications.
<zear>
moreover, usb port in ben is probably unpowered
<ignatius_>
I wish it did have USB. :(
<zear>
so even if it has the host functionality, you couldn't plug devices that aren't self powered
<zear>
*has/had
<ignatius_>
Nod.
<ignatius_>
I was trying with a mouse and a wireless modem.
<ignatius_>
Oh. Well. I guess I still have the ks7010 card.