<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer51: congrats on your success! that is really fantastic news and they should be proud to have you
<wolfspraul>
meanwhile I hope you keep throwing a snippet of wisdom over the fence into our ocean of cluelessness sometimes :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
let's wait and see what results from today's interview
<wolfspraul>
ah, still interviewing?
<wolfspraul>
I thought the deal was sealed already :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
maybe I can push a bit on Ericsson actually selling "open" LTE modules, even when my possible position as "Master of $arbitrary bus" doesn't suggest I could do much in that direction
<DocScrutinizer>
not yet sealed, just highly likely to get signed next week
<wolfspraul>
you can try but I doubt you can get any openess beyond lip service
<wolfspraul>
I think raster at Samsung is also happily rationalizing himself as a freedom fighter inside Samsung with Samsung oh-so-wonderfully embracing open real-soon-now (tm)
<wolfspraul>
the reality of those corps is that they are under huge pressure to deliver continuous and demanding financial results, every quarter
<wolfspraul>
almost like a bank with a small engineering leftover :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
haha, no I don't think I can save the world :-D
<wolfspraul>
if I were to work for such a company on the mgmt side, I would find 'open' too risky
<wolfspraul>
rather just focus on the main and largest customers that are really driving volume today, and think about how to serve them and share investment costs among them
<wolfspraul>
I do see some pressure here and there though towards open APIs/SDKs etc.
<wolfspraul>
I guess the spiraling development costs cause some pain...
<wolfspraul>
interesting times ahead, you will have fun I'm sure
<wolfspraul>
(if it works out)
<DocScrutinizer>
but look, they build chips for LTE, I'm (or maybe will be) in the hw/sw R&D team and have full access to specs and src. I might be able to evaluate value of a particular chip for open hw/sw, and help on whatever obstacles get in the way on exploiting e.g some USB stick with that LTE module in it
<wolfspraul>
oh sure
<wolfspraul>
it's great for your brain and they will not be able to silence you :-)
<wolfspraul>
(and will not want to I'm sure)
<wolfspraul>
so you will learn very valuable things for everybody, us poor Qi fellows included
<wolfspraul>
for LTE and other high-end RF standard, I am most interested whether there is something that allows spontaneous networking among nodes
<DocScrutinizer>
hah, I guess that could only be done by some hacker firmware written for my own pleasure at a weekend ;-D
<DocScrutinizer>
loock, the very basic standards work with distincr bands for up- and down-stream, so two mobile equipments are fundamentally not capable of talking to each other
<DocScrutinizer>
look*
<DocScrutinizer>
both send on band A and receive on band B
<wolfspraul>
yes, I know
<DocScrutinizer>
though those bands are only some dozen MHz apart usually, the standard will not work for that OOTB and without severe hacks
<wolfspraul>
a lot of designs are inherently client-server
<wolfspraul>
it's built like this from day 1, because that's the only thing they think about anyway :-)
<wolfspraul>
peer2peer sounds like some hippie fantasy...
<DocScrutinizer>
then at least GSM is TDMA means it *needs* a central pacemaker clock
<wolfspraul>
but that doesn't change my thinking that I am interested in direct networking between peers
<wolfspraul>
at least the pile of things to look at shrinks dramatically once you make that requirement, true? :-)
<wolfspraul>
I find it 'asymmetric' (to use Werner's words) that I need a megacorp to wirelessly network with my friends
<wolfspraul>
so I'm interested in p2p rf options, if we can get that to work well it may allow us to make unique and good products
<DocScrutinizer>
there are dedicated "free" bands for such projects
<wolfspraul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
but we need chips, dedicated for that or hacked/modified
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: hey, sounds like good news. pre-congratulations ! :) when will they let you know their decision ?
<DocScrutinizer>
next week
<wpwrak>
start on december 1st?
<DocScrutinizer>
not exactly 1st I think, that's a bit too short for all the paperwork in a 7000 man company, you know how things are handled there
<wpwrak>
heh :) so probably january then
<wpwrak>
good. so we have time to pick your brain some more :)
<DocScrutinizer>
nah, they explicitly asked me if I could start pre-Xmess
<wpwrak>
funny. they want to pay you for the holidays :)
<wpwrak>
ah wait. they're all on the weekend this year. clever :)
<DocScrutinizer>
I think this year holidays are perfect for *them*
<xiangfu>
is ready for next release. now I have to fix the SDIO wifi bug. then release the images :)
<xiangfu>
this image include a new boot slash screen. and wpan.nn script file. :)
<kyak>
xiangfu: ah cool! will you copy the toolchain to qi-hw.com?
<wpwrak>
it's some null pointer that you're getting there. but i'm not sure where it comes from. you may want to add a printk to __mmc_claim_host to examine the content of *host
<wpwrak>
maybe check if the pointer is sane at all
<xiangfu>
kyak, yes. already. just not modify the 'latest' link.
<wpwrak>
maybe something is amiss with host->detect
<xiangfu>
kyak, (nupdf) yes. it already included. :)
<xiangfu>
rejon, (colorimeter) yes. cool. maybe it can connect to nanonote. then this colormeter don't needs any driver. or install any app in PC. just Colormeter + Ben nanonote is enough.
<wolfspraul>
I doubt that as it would most likely want to talk to a USB Host
<xiangfu>
wolfspraul, yes. it is USB Host.
<rejon>
i need to reflash my nanonote
<rejon>
i hope i didn't brick it
<xiangfu>
wolfspraul, I want say is : if the device don't needs any driver  etc. just open box. powerup. then it working . will be cool. then current 'Colormeter' :)
<xiangfu>
rejon, update your 'reflash_ben.sh' first. :)
<rejon>
yah
<rejon>
will do
<xiangfu>
rejon, make sure you use the latest version of reflash_ben.sh
<rejon>
i'm about to take my markers to the nanonote
<rejon>
sharism presents beijing will now be monthly
<rejon>
keep moving locations
<wpwrak>
rejon: how do you demo the M1 ?
<rejon>
will just leave it running in the background
<wpwrak>
rejon: and to what kind of people ?
<rejon>
what i would really like is the image support to work
<wpwrak>
hmm, that's not so cool :-(
<wpwrak>
that's the USD 500 screensaver
<rejon>
so it could just cycle through the twittersphere, and pull images
<rejon>
wpwrak, ha
<rejon>
ha, lots of these people already seen the demo
<rejon>
i just keep it with me all the time
<rejon>
casual
<wpwrak>
you should show it off. play it. like an instrument
<rejon>
not that kind of event
<wpwrak>
just for a moment
<wpwrak>
show why it's cool
<rejon>
:)
<rejon>
i like it in the bg
<rejon>
i'm not really into the foreground, performance ;)
<wpwrak>
bah
<wpwrak>
courage. you can do it ! nothing sells if it's kept in back of the storage room :)
<wpwrak>
you should try it. it's fun. you can also let others play with it. use my MIDI RMX. that one has all the basics
<wpwrak>
of course, you may need to upgrade your travel case if you also add a MIDI controller :)
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, maybe we add a demo patch. that support current Android/iPhone OSC application. Â
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, since everyone in the meeting will be using iPhone or Android phone. :)
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, oh. no. it have to modify the osc source code to accept the different osc message.
<xiangfu>
not just 'patch'
<wpwrak>
yes,why not. i don't know the droid/iPhone app world, but if there's some nice multifunctional controller there, that ought to work
<wpwrak>
use MIDI-over-OSC ?
<wpwrak>
well, you need a PC anyway, to go from WLAN to ether. so you can also do the translation there. liblo is your friend :)
<wpwrak>
i was pleasantly surprised how easy the whole MIDI to OSC translation was. i think it took me longer to get that controsc to build that it took me to write midi2osc :)
<xiangfu>
wpwrak, for you it's easy. not for everyone. at least not for me :D
<wpwrak>
xiangfu: naw, just look at it. you can find all the ingredients conveniently in controsc, oscsend, and - for osc to osc - oscdump
<oogabooga>
anyone have a fake or broken or toy CPU for sale?