mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
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<drachensun> toxicpsion: On my the camera would open then would crash during the capture attempt, so it sounds a little different
<drachensun> but it still something that needed fixing
<drachensun> do you have a dmesg log?
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<toxicpsion> yea... it's logcat.. not dmesg... original android and all.... i'll hafta dig for it.
<toxicpsion> pastebin ok for ya?
<toxicpsion> drachensun: ^^
<drachensun> you can get a dmesg log in android also
<drachensun> pastebin is fine
<toxicpsion> ya.. it's just not totally handy... my net's kinda saturated atm too.... cloning some git:P
<drachensun> I'm suprised the built in camera app didn't work. I've seen a lot of these chinese tablets where only the stock app would be able to use a feature but in that case there almost alwasy is a stock app that can do it.
<toxicpsion> ya.... it works fine for the front camera, and crashed the minute i changed to the rear camera /w VIDIOC_S_INPUT error, now whenever i start the camera app, it immediately crashes with no gui... Device or resource busy. lsof says it's mediaserver holding /dev/video0
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<toxicpsion> afk... kids & dinner. back in a bit.
<drachensun> ok
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<toxicpsion> drachensun: back.... http://pastebin.com/R4urRqQJ - annotated
<toxicpsion> http://pastebin.com/gH85L7yx - full dmesg
<toxicpsion> i'm thinking it's just a driver mismatch somehow.
<toxicpsion> http://pastebin.com/zijkntzr - Unscripted fex.
<toxicpsion> it's a neat little tablet... the only one i've found with a vibe motor in it... tactile feedback and IPS... now just the stupid rear cam :(
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<drachensun> that does looks like a driver mismatch
<drachensun> this is a whole list of camera drivers in the sun4i_csi/driver directory
<drachensun> yours might just one of the others
<toxicpsion> yea... i think they mighta been in a hurry :|
<toxicpsion> change the reference in script.fex csi0 & kernel should try different .ko right?
<drachensun> I haven't had to mess with it but that sounds right
<drachensun> and make you have the actual driver loaded of course
<drachensun> I'm not really sure how to figure out what you actually have though
<toxicpsion> it should automatically insmod based on the script parser i think.
<drachensun> we usually figure out it by looking at what Android does :/
<toxicpsion> and of course android does it wrong this time.
<drachensun> well I'm off, good luck, let us know what you find out
<toxicpsion> trial and error :P i'll keep you poseted... conpiling a bunch of script.bin..... i'll keep you posted.
<toxicpsion> stupid typo. :P
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<libv> rpi app store?
<libv> i thought it was halfway december, and not april.
<libv> so much for being "for education!"
<RaYmAn> it's not really clear from the blogpost what kind of cut they are taking
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<hno> "store" "everything they need to get going in one place, for free."
<hno> some semantic mismatch there.
<hno> Anyone using rPI for anything else than XMBC? Every one I met or seen video from only talks XMBC..
<jinzo> I wonder if this uses the package manager or not.
<jinzo> hno, the others for dust collecting mostly.
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<libv> hrm, my a7hd otg port does not show up in device mode
<slapin_> hi, all!
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<slapin_> is there anybody in CET here? I just want to know if my timezons set up right - is it 17:23 now?
<slapin_> in CET?
<libv> 16:23
<slapin_> libv: thanks!
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<slapin_> something is broken then...
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<slapin_> Turl: thanks, cool clock for me not to miss meetings...
<slapin_> damn the time difference
<slapin_> live in one time, work in other and phont talk to gf in another time, and not mess everything up :(
<slapin_> why an earth is damn dirtball, not good old disc on three elephants :(
<Turl> slapin_: there's one solution to that problem
<Turl> use epoch timestamps on UTC to schedule stuff
<slapin_> Turl: I can, but I can encourage other people I communicate with to use UTC as time for schedule
<slapin_> s/can/can't/
<ibot> slapin_ meant: Turl: I can't, but I can encourage other people I communicate with to use UTC as time for schedule
<slapin_> LOL
<slapin_> I meant I can't encourage
<slapin_> so I have to do a lot of time calculations every now and then
<slapin_> so I can't say storehouse guard that now is just 16:00 UTC, let me in, as his workday is ended in local time...
<slapin_> damnitall
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<Turl> slapin_: use wolfram alpha
<slapin_> Turl: what is it?
<aholler> date can handle similiar just fine.
<aholler> [aholler@krabat ~]$ date
<aholler> Mo 17. Dez 17:12:03 CET 2012
<aholler> [aholler@krabat ~]$ TZ=CEST date
<aholler> [aholler@krabat ~]$ TZ=EST date
<aholler> Mo 17. Dez 16:12:09 CEST 2012
<aholler> Mo 17. Dez 11:12:11 EST 2012
<mnemoc> this is the forum-age... if it's not a fancy web service it doesn't work
<mnemoc> s/service/app/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: this is the forum-age... if it's not a fancy web app it doesn't work
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<Turl> $ TZ="UTC-5" date -d "Friday 8 December 2012 13:50 GMT+8"
<Turl> sáb dic 8 10:50:00 UTC 2012
<Turl> didn't know date could do that :) you need to learn the correct TZ name though, GMT-5/UTC-5 doesn't seem to work
<Turl> hm, it does seem to work but it prints UTC instead of UTC+/-X
<aholler> if you already know the differene in hours, a bit brain should be enough
* Turl 's brain never gets time calculations right
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<slapin_> mnemoc, Turl: don't count me into 'forum-age', I'm old fashioned and do all date calculations in scripts using TZ=Europe/Something date, but a problem is I don't know all the names I need, and TZ=CET and TZ=CEST doesn't actually work for me for unknown reason, while TZ=GMT or TZ=UTC works. I use Europe/Berlin for CET
<slapin_> actually, time complexity is too big for my tiny brain
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<slapin_> also all these people especially from US calling for skype meeting at 8 not mentioning which time it is, not even adding am or pm, while knowing perfectly well that people they invite are from many places in world.
<jinzo> what, you mean US is not the center of the world and everything that's happening?
<Turl> to top it all US has several timezones :)
<slapin_> jinzo: this is Moscow here, not US, so we have different defaults here.
<jinzo> slapin_, ofcourse - as do we in Slovenia. I was joking.
<slapin_> jinzo: but these US managers are too high on the ladder to hear people they are about to listen to.
<slapin_> jinzo: not that Moscow is too different to US I'd say, both are very ambitious countries.
<jinzo> but one focuses (for now at least) on internal problems it has aplenty, and the other is exporting their democracy
<slapin_> Turl: that is also makes me wonder why these managers always act like these - forcing everyone be around their own clock.
<slapin_> jinzo: I'd say first is focused on making more problems in creative way so people will forget old ones...
<slapin_> anyway, interesting times we live in....
<slapin_> hmmmm...
<slapin_> espetially, everyone is waiting for 21.12.12 hoping that all the troubles will end soon enough...
<slapin_> seriously, all the tv talks about this on all channels :(
<slapin_> and nothing is about NAND controller of A1X...
* slapin_ is back to hacking...
<traeak> irrelevant
<jinzo> slapin_, priorities eh? :P
<traeak> as lame as all those people claiming they know when the great tribulation is going to start
* xenoxaos doesnt want to die a virgin...
<traeak> heh, generally irrelevant :-p
<xenoxaos> :P
<traeak> http://us.txtr.com/beagle/ this is an interesting beast, appaerntly costs 13USD to manufacture
<jinzo> some marketing bullshit in there too I see. But looks interesting
<Turl> two AAA batteries and it lasts a year?
<jinzo> yeah, and I have actually worked with an e-ink device
<jinzo> that required a WiFi but still, we got quite a good grip
<traeak> this one is bootoof only
<traeak> two AAA's for 12-15 books
<jinzo> yes, but still - e-ink doesen't consume basicly nothing when it's displaying the data, but when it's changing it
<traeak> that's the meaningful number i think
<jinzo> it's not that lean on the usage. If they would wish to provide meningfull data, they would say how many pageturns is that actually.
<traeak> yes that's correct
<jinzo> that would be something that provides some accurate data.
<traeak> and with a 5" screen the penalty is a bit higher than a 6"
<jinzo> but still, looks interesting. I wonder if (and when) will they lunch
<Turl> they also claim no standby mode
<jinzo> Turl, they don't actually need one.
<traeak> i'm just bitching because i want a 27" eink monitor for coding
<jinzo> if they use a good mcu, they get events when touchscreen is activated and then they change the page
<jinzo> update some memory what's the current page and can go back in deep sleep
<jinzo> traeak, that would not work good.
<Turl> jinzo: if it's sleeping it has a standby mode
<traeak> apparenlty eink can handle 10fps just fine, it just kills the battery (which is irrelevant fo rsomething plugged in)
<jinzo> but, you do not know if it's sleeping or not. so.
<jinzo> traeak, it would flicker waay to much to be usable
<jinzo> at least in current e-ink screens.
<jinzo> they have the ability to only change a portion of the screen (the new ones)
<traeak> flicker at which point though?
<jinzo> traeak, when you would change _anything_ on the screen
<traeak> i'm just a typical vim user, i don't do stupid crap :-p
<jinzo> displaying a cursor for example
<jinzo> or changing one char.
<traeak> sure
<Turl> jinzo: with that criteria kindle doesn't have a standby mode eithr
<Turl> either*
<traeak> but 10fps is more than good enough
<traeak> it's been proven with the kindle that it can be overdriven to do video
<jinzo> (but hopefully they'll improve their tech a bit and they'll be addressing that.)
<traeak> as mentioend it kills battery life but that's not a huge deal
<jinzo> Turl, kindles (even the basic ones) do a lot (and I mean a lot) more than what a simple design like this does.
<Turl> if you need fps on a plugged in appliance why don't you just use an LCD?
<traeak> there you go
<Turl> jinzo: yeah, it's a full linux system
<traeak> eink full video
<jinzo> Turl, reading the e-ink display (text) is way better
<jinzo> than the text on a lcd
<traeak> i can easily code with that level of refresh rate on a text screen
<jinzo> traeak, yeah I saw that, but it's in developement
<traeak> dual head setup, normal monitor for other stuff
<jinzo> and you cannot readly purchase screens like that.
<traeak> that's correct that's why i'm pissed
<jinzo> at least you couldn't half a year ago.
<traeak> let me find a video of a kindle doing exactly the same
<jinzo> and I didn't check since.
<traeak> ie: it's doable with today's eink, it's just they don't make large screens...why not?
<jinzo> fabrication and overall technological problems.
<jinzo> it's not trivial scaling stuff like that up
<jinzo> and I think we'll first get bigger OLED displays than bigger e-ink displays
<RaYmAn> there are a few 10" eink ereaders, but thye are stupidly expensive (comparatively)
<traeak> just sit and wait for some passive screen technology
<jinzo> yes - it was quite interesting when you could buy a 23" lcd ips for half the price of a 24" lcd ips - just because the technology could produce 23" panels cheaper
<Turl> traeak: if you want it for coding you might want to wait a bit for color eink
<Turl> shouldn't be too far away
<jinzo> "a bit" :D
<Turl> I saw a video of it
<jinzo> for example - look at imx6, and it's a SoC
<jinzo> a year or so has passed, and people still have troubles buying the quad core version
<Turl> I bet amazon, b&n and kobo will be picking it up soon
<jinzo> amazon probably
<hno> Turl, Yes, the color e-ink technology is there, but it does not really meet any significant demand in current shape so not being produced.
<jinzo> they're the only company in that space that can drive souch a technology forward (as has Apple with unibody designs, flat cells etc.)
<traeak> only so much you can do with a tiny screen
<traeak> and yes it would probaby take an apple like company to push this sadly
<Turl> their not-backlit backlight is pretty good I heard
<traeak> manufacturers don't like to change, it costs money to retool
<hno> But saw some interesting article about a mobile phone with e-ink display on the back. Such application should fit color e-ink nicely.
<jinzo> as Amazon pushed (and bought up the majority) of e-ink displays.
<jinzo> YotaPhone from russia.
<traeak> and that should deal with the biggest problem with phones burning their batteries: the lame display
<Turl> hno: to show rather static info like notifications and weather?
<hno> yes.
<traeak> even time as well
<hno> anything not requiring multiple fps update.
<traeak> the only thing holding back higher refresh on eink is that it burns battery for the refresh rate, eink can do acceptable rates but it then loses its advantage
<jinzo> traeak, again, the currently purchasable e-ink displays cannot do that.
<hno> jinzo, yes that was the one.
<jinzo> not even if you feed it the nearest electricity plant. Because if flickers. If you had a e-ink device in hand you know what I mean.
<traeak> jinzo: the kindle which uses android internally can be overdriven to provide that refresh rate, it's just you burn through a whole book's wortrh of page turns in a few seconds
<Turl> jinzo: the flicker is a software trick
<Turl> you can disable it but you'd get considerable ghosting
<jinzo> so, you can disable it but then it... doesen't work.?
<Turl> it works
<Turl> just grab a kindle or anything
<Turl> and move a few pages
<Turl> and if you look closely you'll see faint marks of the previous pages text
<Turl> until a full refresh is enforced
<jinzo> ah I give up. Like I said - e-ink has some tech in the newer displays (latest gen) that allows changing a portion of the screen
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<jinzo> but when I tried the friends latest-1 gen it still flickered
<jinzo> as it did when we worked on the e-ink displays.
<traeak> looks like worst case for eink is 4fps, worse case
<traeak> highest rate ~20fps
<traeak> anyways totally moot since it's not there, sry
<traeak> jinzo: what type of chip waas driving that eink display internally?
<jinzo> epson one, don't know exactly which one - it was based around a 5" e-ink display, that was driven by some epson e-ink driver and ARM cortex-M3 processor.
<jinzo> actually 6"
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<jinzo> b/g/n wifi, and touchscreen ofcourse
<jinzo> the battery life was advertised from 3 to 9 months
<jinzo> but yes... :D
<jinzo> (and no on/off switch)
<jinzo> on the other hand, I see they're expecting color displays in Q1 2012
<jinzo> *2013
<jinzo> ofcourse :/
<jinzo> so they're probably allready working on a prototype with them
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<steev_> woo, new device arrived, supposed to be compatible with an mk802
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<rz2k> new mali400 stuff released r3p2-01rel0 - [13 December 2012]
<xenoxaos> dude...that's like 4 days ago.....
<xenoxaos> old new is old
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<rz2k> xenoxaos: you've checked what are the changes? I see xf86-video-mali getting new xorg config...
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<xenoxaos> i dunno
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<traeak> there's an irc for the a10 soc ?
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<libv> hrm, g_ether is surprisingly unstable
<libv> i constantly am losing ip addresses :(
<libv> oh. what is NetworkManager running on this hw for.
<steev_> cuz NM is awesome
<mnemoc> it should be integrated into systemd
<libv> of course it is.
<libv> it all is mashed together
<libv> and when one thing goes wrong, you're f-ed
<mnemoc> it's perfect, like pulseaudio, if something goes wrong it's user's fault
<libv> i was at SuSE when they introduced pulseaudio
<libv> people were still whining about all the issues nm were causing
<libv> i am happy to no longer be too near to the device enablement people there now that they are doing systemd
<libv> what am i doing for new years again, oh wait, hearing about this same old shit again :)
<libv> and how people fall for it every time :)
<mnemoc> at least they haven't rewritten it in C# yet
<libv> but... it could just be that the sunxi ucd driver is not too stable
<libv> mnemoc: that will not happen
<libv> although, it might
<libv> now that the usual gnomies are no longer part of redhats biggest enemy
<libv> give it a few years, the bashing will shift from the long conquered enemy novell, to a new one (canonical?)
<libv> and given time, the bashing of mono will become less and less
<libv> and then...
<libv> oh yeah, with nm disabled, it seems to hold its ip longer now
<specing> I like wicd
<specing> well "like"
<libv> the thing is, all of these bits and bobs are always going to cause trouble, there is no two ways about it
<specing> made it to ignore eth0 once
<specing> was *very* happy
<libv> but the way this is being done is not nice
<libv> loads of noise, and then the noisemaker runs off to break something else, and everyone else gets to pick up the pieces
<libv> by which time, those others are forced to use those bits that so much noise was made about
<specing> libv: where do you work now?
<libv> specing: until 2 months ago, codethink, now german unemployment office, until i have delivered upon lima a bit.
<libv> specing: why?
<specing> just wondering
<libv> "just"?
<specing> "just".
<mnemoc> so lima became state funded :p
<libv> mnemoc: mostly libv funded.
<libv> as it always has been
<libv> specing: i do not by the just in anyway
<libv> specing: what were you trying to imply?
<libv> specing: because i can interprete your question in many directions
<mnemoc> libv: leaving games and cubes aside, can one use current lima to write a simple GL-based HMI app?
<mnemoc> on A10
<libv> nope
<mnemoc> ok
<libv> we still have not left the research phase
<libv> and there is no gl, there is something resembling gl (because thats how these things end up looking like) which runs on much barer infrastructure
<mnemoc> i had the idea you already had a basic set of gl calls REed
<libv> some, yes
<libv> but you do not get a full fledged gl implementation that way
<libv> you get some limare calls which somewhat amount to the same thing hw wise
<libv> i am figuring out how the hw works and how it all fits together, i am not reimplementing a whole opengles stack
<libv> that's what we will use mesa for in future
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> sounds fair
<libv> with nm disabled, g_ether does seem to work reliably
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<mnemoc> :)