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<Turl>
lkcl: what's all these rants about dt on the mailing list? :)
<Turl>
lkcl: when you consider uboot as the equivalent of BIOS and DT as the equivalent of ACPI, a "one size fits all" is quite possible
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<lkcl>
Turl: oh... you've gone :)
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<penguin42>
lkcl: Sparc has had dt for 20 years - I think it might have been the first; it's basically a forth tree
<penguin42>
lkcl: But then it does have executable forth in the tree
<penguin42>
lkcl: Have you ever used a SPARCStation ?
<traeak>
hehe
<lkcl>
penguin42: i had one - i booted it up, went "mmm.... 128mb RAM.... naah"
<traeak>
all the sparcs i used were dogcrap slow
<traeak>
ever since the 486DX was released sun hardware has been slower than PC hardware
<traeak>
i know because my prof had a sparc 10 and i was working on a 486dx-25
<penguin42>
lkcl: OK, try it sometime and notice how dog slow the console is; that's because the kernel to render text on the console calls into forth routines linked through the dt
<lkcl>
we had sparcs at imperial college. *shock horror* 12mb of RAM! all of them NFS booted onto one machine that had *shock horror* 24mbytes of RAM!
<traeak>
and i worked on sparcs until about 2000 or so
<traeak>
the US govt has deep pockets
<traeak>
or used to
<penguin42>
<yorkshire man sketch>
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<traeak>
my 486dx-25 ran circles around his sparc10 doing simulations
<penguin42>
lkcl: When I started at Uni we had Sun3's (68020) and a lab full of them all running with 4MB RAM off one server via 10base-t (single ring)
<penguin42>
</yorkshire man sketch>
<traeak>
Electrical engineering stuff
<traeak>
his sparc10 was brand spanking new at the time too :-p
<penguin42>
traeak: Yeh, the one advantage they had at the time was that you could get them loaded with a lot of RAM for the time and multiple CPUs that at the time you couldn't get in PCs; I remember using HP-PA boxes with 4GB or more of RAM before Opteron had come out
<traeak>
i was behind an effort to replace teh sun stuff with x86 linux ~1998
<traeak>
that effort had the end effect of massively pushing the prices down on the sun stuff
<traeak>
penguin42: likely true, i don't recall how much ram our stuff needed at the time...the sun keyboards caused me wrist pain.
<penguin42>
ah type5's - I liked the type 4's
<traeak>
thankfully i hit a company pushing the limits on linux in 2000
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* penguin42
thinks back - yeh that was about the time we were using the big HPs, because the lack of Opteron and cad software meant we couldn't run them on PCs
<traeak>
sure, HP and SGIs started appearing at work ~99 or so
<penguin42>
there were guys doing full chip extracts - needed the RAM
<lkcl>
could people please click on that and do the usual social network dance? tell friends as well, generally get it out to a few degrees.
<Undertasker>
Yawn.
<Undertasker>
A reliable, durable connector for that costs more than the actual processor board
<Undertasker>
We now all have smartphones with more computing power than our last generation laptops had. But nevertheless nobody buys lapdocks for them
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<lkcl>
oh good, he's left.
<traeak>
hehe, i'm afraid he sort of misses the point
<lkcl>
utterly :)
<lkcl>
such people are useful as a way to test the boundaries though. if you can convince them, you can convince anybody
<lkcl>
and he has a point: reliability of the PCMCIA connectors is going to be critical.
<lkcl>
luckily, PCMCIA was designed as a robust durable reliable mass-volume assembly, eh?
<lkcl>
:)
<lkcl>
traeak: anyway - please get on that site and click the widgety-social-networky buttons!
<lkcl>
please. there, i asked nicely
<traeak>
thanks :-p
<traeak>
post on reddit?
<lkcl>
yeah go for it!
<traeak>
there ya go :-p
<lkcl>
main thing is to get the numbers up on the social media "thing" - the judges for the competition will be using that as a measure of "success" of the idea.
<lkcl>
taaaaa
<traeak>
hehe
<lkcl>
yikes things move fast on reddit.
<lkcl>
the one i can't do [because i don't agree to google's account policy] is get it onto google+
<traeak>
hmm
<traeak>
i'm not even sure i don't have
<lkcl>
yeah. i think my mum signed up by mistake :)
<traeak>
hehe
<traeak>
most social media i'm not involved with
<traeak>
twitter is monstrousity, i have a facebook account but avoid it and have only family and no one i know who knows tech
<lkcl>
yeah funny that. techies tend not to be - me included. definition of irony: techies are averse to one of the most profound uses of technology that connects people....
<lkcl>
.... whether they like it or not. hmmm, i think i answered the question :)