lkcl changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: arm-netbook: Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - EOMA68 spec http://bit.ly/ZHqfxA - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://bit.ly/XELKJq or http://bit.ly/15OCYPD - For Allwinner/sunxi discussions prefer #linux-sunxi - iMX6 Card http://bit.ly/XAUGCD - Flying Squirrel http://bit.ly/WgOYaR - Allwinner A10/A20 Card http://bit.ly/zBLAbY - http://rhombus-tech.net
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<slapin_n1> focus: this version is for headless variant, while it is possible to wire-out LCD if wanted
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<Turl> lkcl: what's all these rants about dt on the mailing list? :)
<Turl> lkcl: when you consider uboot as the equivalent of BIOS and DT as the equivalent of ACPI, a "one size fits all" is quite possible
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<lkcl> Turl: oh... you've gone :)
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<penguin42> lkcl: Sparc has had dt for 20 years - I think it might have been the first; it's basically a forth tree
<penguin42> lkcl: But then it does have executable forth in the tree
<penguin42> lkcl: Have you ever used a SPARCStation ?
<traeak> hehe
<lkcl> penguin42: i had one - i booted it up, went "mmm.... 128mb RAM.... naah"
<traeak> all the sparcs i used were dogcrap slow
<traeak> ever since the 486DX was released sun hardware has been slower than PC hardware
<traeak> i know because my prof had a sparc 10 and i was working on a 486dx-25
<penguin42> lkcl: OK, try it sometime and notice how dog slow the console is; that's because the kernel to render text on the console calls into forth routines linked through the dt
<lkcl> we had sparcs at imperial college. *shock horror* 12mb of RAM! all of them NFS booted onto one machine that had *shock horror* 24mbytes of RAM!
<traeak> and i worked on sparcs until about 2000 or so
<traeak> the US govt has deep pockets
<traeak> or used to
<penguin42> <yorkshire man sketch>
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<traeak> my 486dx-25 ran circles around his sparc10 doing simulations
<penguin42> lkcl: When I started at Uni we had Sun3's (68020) and a lab full of them all running with 4MB RAM off one server via 10base-t (single ring)
<penguin42> </yorkshire man sketch>
<traeak> Electrical engineering stuff
<traeak> his sparc10 was brand spanking new at the time too :-p
<penguin42> traeak: Yeh, the one advantage they had at the time was that you could get them loaded with a lot of RAM for the time and multiple CPUs that at the time you couldn't get in PCs; I remember using HP-PA boxes with 4GB or more of RAM before Opteron had come out
<traeak> i was behind an effort to replace teh sun stuff with x86 linux ~1998
<traeak> that effort had the end effect of massively pushing the prices down on the sun stuff
<traeak> penguin42: likely true, i don't recall how much ram our stuff needed at the time...the sun keyboards caused me wrist pain.
<penguin42> ah type5's - I liked the type 4's
<traeak> thankfully i hit a company pushing the limits on linux in 2000
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* penguin42 thinks back - yeh that was about the time we were using the big HPs, because the lack of Opteron and cad software meant we couldn't run them on PCs
<traeak> sure, HP and SGIs started appearing at work ~99 or so
<penguin42> there were guys doing full chip extracts - needed the RAM
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<traeak> opteron put the nail in the coffin wrt hp, sun, sgi hardware
<penguin42> yeh, took a bit of a while to kill them off
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<Turl|cloud> lkcl: ping
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<ausxxh> looking for an imx6 board, anyone tried wandboard ($99)
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<lkcl> could people please click on that and do the usual social network dance? tell friends as well, generally get it out to a few degrees.
<Undertasker> Yawn.
<Undertasker> A reliable, durable connector for that costs more than the actual processor board
<Undertasker> We now all have smartphones with more computing power than our last generation laptops had. But nevertheless nobody buys lapdocks for them
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<lkcl> oh good, he's left.
<traeak> hehe, i'm afraid he sort of misses the point
<lkcl> utterly :)
<lkcl> such people are useful as a way to test the boundaries though. if you can convince them, you can convince anybody
<lkcl> and he has a point: reliability of the PCMCIA connectors is going to be critical.
<lkcl> luckily, PCMCIA was designed as a robust durable reliable mass-volume assembly, eh?
<lkcl> :)
<lkcl> traeak: anyway - please get on that site and click the widgety-social-networky buttons!
<lkcl> please. there, i asked nicely
<traeak> thanks :-p
<traeak> post on reddit?
<lkcl> yeah go for it!
<traeak> there ya go :-p
<lkcl> main thing is to get the numbers up on the social media "thing" - the judges for the competition will be using that as a measure of "success" of the idea.
<lkcl> taaaaa
<traeak> hehe
<lkcl> yikes things move fast on reddit.
<lkcl> the one i can't do [because i don't agree to google's account policy] is get it onto google+
<traeak> hmm
<traeak> i'm not even sure i don't have
<lkcl> yeah. i think my mum signed up by mistake :)
<traeak> hehe
<traeak> most social media i'm not involved with
<traeak> twitter is monstrousity, i have a facebook account but avoid it and have only family and no one i know who knows tech
<lkcl> yeah funny that. techies tend not to be - me included. definition of irony: techies are averse to one of the most profound uses of technology that connects people....
<lkcl> .... whether they like it or not. hmmm, i think i answered the question :)
<lkcl> argh it's 00:18
<lkcl> time to go.
<traeak> yup
<traeak> yeah we suck at advertising
<traeak> and building markets
<lkcl> *grin*.
<lkcl> till tomorrow, traeak