lkcl changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: arm-netbook: Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - EOMA68 spec http://bit.ly/ZHqfxA - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://bit.ly/XELKJq or http://bit.ly/15OCYPD - For Allwinner/sunxi discussions prefer #linux-sunxi - iMX6 Card http://bit.ly/XAUGCD - Flying Squirrel http://bit.ly/WgOYaR - Allwinner A10/A20 Card http://bit.ly/zBLAbY - http://rhombus-tech.net
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<calris> Hey all - long time no see :)
<calris> Does anyone know of a cheap ARM board with at least 1GB SDRAM and more grunt that A10?
<calris> I like the look of the ODOID-X2, but their shipping costs are hideous
<calris> ODROID-X2
<rm> calris, build a computing cluster of two A10 :)
<calris> Just want a decent desktop board - I have n A10, but it really lacks true grunt
<jelly-home> I'm not sure amr dev boards are the most cost-effective platform to set up for desktop usage
<jelly-home> arm*
<calris> Well you can getthem for $100-$200. Heaps cheaper than any x86 alternative
<calris> And smaller, cooler, quite, etc.
<jelly-home> still, I want my desktop to have 4GB+, SATA and flawless graphics
* jelly-home switches the monitor over to cubie's unaccelerated framebuffer, shakes head slowly, switches back
<calris> All my heavy lifting is n my file server
<calris> I just need a good gfx front end
<jelly-home> where does your browser and media player run?
<jelly-home> I guess I could split my load to 3 cubies if I did it very carefully, then wait/work on making GLES work well enough to run kwin_gles on one of them
<bfree> wandboard? wait for an A20 from cubie/olimex? gk802/hi802? and you can get a lot more in an x86 board/cpu/ram for $100 so "heaps cheaper" is a wild exageration (especially when you declare an A10 doesn't have enough grunt)
<jelly-home> $200 should be enough for a half-decent low-power htpc board, or a whole core2duo secondhand system; just add RAM
<calris> Most cheap x86 boxes still have fans :(
<calris> Not using it for media - mainly browsing, email, open-office and code editing
<calris> Compiling will happen on the server
<calris> I'm almost tempted to beef up the server and just run a remote X session :)
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<bfree> calris: x86 (AMD Fusion APU C-60 (1.0GHz, dual core)), no fan, mini-itx, $80+ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131843
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<calris> bfree: yeah I've seen these but I would like something small. The ODROID-U2 looks awesome but not enough USB ports and the shipping costs suck
<calris> X2 ticks all the boxes, but again, shipping :(
<bfree> calris: and it wants a fan
<calris> bfree: only if you over clock
<jelly-home> oh that looks excellent for a NAS, 6 sata ports
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<bfree> calris: o-droid fan: "This cooling fan is useful for who needs the full throttled Quad-core performance and over-clocking." ... you want it just to let it run full speed on all cores for any length of time ... you want smaller than mini-itx? Intel NUC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102004 (pretty sure it's fanless)
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<calris> $165 plus ram plus shipping... X2 would be cheaper
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<rm> calris, gk802/hi802 <- that
<rm> quad core stick for around $90
<rm> there seems to be complete FOSS support including video and 3D acceleration
<mnemoc> o_O
<jelly-home> if that is metal, it might not even overheat much
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<jelly-home> body*
<rm> and ok, probably not "complete FOSS support"
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<rm> don't quote me on that all is mentioned everywhere is that "it works, but still work in progress"
<rm> s/that all/that, what's/
<ibot> rm meant: don't quote me on that, what's is mentioned everywhere is that "it works, but still work in progress"
<rm> s/what's/what/
<rm> :D can't do multiple corrections!
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* jelly-home thanks rm for the tip... or should he chide him for having him spent $70 on a i.MX6 stick?
<rm> ha
<rm> amazingly enough, the coupon still works
<jelly-home> indeed, just tested
<rm> almost 1.5 months later
<rm> mine will be here probably in 7-10 days
<rm> such are the shipping times of russian post currently
<rm> almost 2 months
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<jelly-home> o.o
<jelly-home> I heard italian is bad, maybe worse; most ebay vendors don't even ship there
<mnemoc> italian post is the worst
<jelly-home> how the f...lamingos do they manage that level of incompetence with getting all fired
<mripard_> mnemoc: since it should be operated by italian drivers, it makes sense :)
<rm> the italy's problems are more severe afaik, it's related to packages not arriving at all
<rm> either due to customs or theft
<rm> in russia it's generally very reliable
<rm> slow, also a package can arrvie battered in various ways (sat on/stood upon/thrown into)
<rm> but it will arrive :)
<mnemoc> rm: yes, packages simply "vanish"
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<jelly-home> heh
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<rm> <3 Allwinner :)
<rm> and dammit, not even any good comment on the slashdot story to mod up
<rm> something mentioning the Cubieboard maybe
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<traeak> says the 7" ips tablets selling for 35USD in china? dual cortex-a5 mali 400
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<Undertasker> Anybody here that already has a wandboard?
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<traeak> oh well, yet another processor with probably a bunch of proprietary crap
<traeak> iCube does interest me the most at this time, if they ever get anything selling
<Undertasker> Well, i.mx6 seems to be the most open part at this time.
<Undertasker> And their datasheets are about 1000times bigger than Allwinner's
<traeak> not sure about cost though
<traeak> anyways, my personal desires is to go 64bit
<traeak> mostly because i'm too lazy to make our current code base 32bit safe
<traeak> which also tanks the threading
<Undertasker> Not sure if small Android/Linux devices will benefit from 64bit
<rm> "dual" is nothing special if the CPU overall is crappy
<rm> two crappy slow A5 cores ..yay
<traeak> probably not so much, i just don't like to have to look over my shoulder about blowing out virtual address space
<rm> but can advertise it as dual core, which is probably what matters most
<rm> and $35 locally sounds realistic, seeing how A13 tablets sell _with worldwide shipping included_ for $50
<traeak> i'm sure the bus, etc has something to do with how well it performs as well
<traeak> like rightnow i'mprocessing a 200 image block and using almost 6GB ram
<Undertasker> BTW: On dual core Arms, would it be possible to use only one core for the OS, and the other one for realtime bare metal code?
<traeak> depends on the scheduler, etc
<traeak> really though
<traeak> libc makes calls into kernel space anyways
<traeak> and the linux scheduler is pretty good about keeping a process on one cpu in general
<traeak> and smart enough to even spread them out wrt hyperthreading as well (not relevant for arm)
<Undertasker> I'm more thinking of leaving one core completely alone, out of the reach of linux, and running independent code on it.
<Undertasker> maybe wit a small rt os.
<Undertasker> So that the 2nd core would act like an independent microcontroller
<specing> Undertasker: get a TI and you'll get PRUs
<specing> those units are meant for that
<Undertasker> Should also work with an A20, or?
<Undertasker> Sure, I could also use just a small micro for the rt stuff, like an M0 or M3, ar an AVR.
<Undertasker> But the interesting thing is to use off the shelf cheap hardware for that
<Undertasker> I could also use an industrial/automotive TI ARm with nHET's. But where's the fun with that?
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<L84Supper> beaglebone blacks are what $45 with a power supply? the am3359's are ~$14 in China
<L84Supper> TI says that they are subsidizing the beaglebone blacks to get the cost down to $45, but the am3350's only costs them a few $$ to make