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<gmaxwell>
the paper talks a lot about the coefficient choice, it was still a little arbritary and the msft people in the ietf crypto research group don't like it and have favored another paramterization as a result.
<gmaxwell>
but the post is a joke response to a kind of foolish message (that ignored the disussion in the paper)
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<MRL-Relay>
{-shen} shangzhou - somewhere else in that message chain you've linked tanja replies with :You also need tht the curve is cryptographically secure.
<MRL-Relay>
{-shen} after clicking that link you find the explanation for curve25519 parameter choices: Prime chosen "as close as possible to a power of 2" for efficiency reasons ("save time in field operations"). Prime chosen "slightly below 32k bits, for some k" for efficiency reasons ("no serious concerns regarding wasted space"). k=8 chosen for "a comfortable security
<MRL-Relay>
{-shen} level". 2^255-19 chosen above 2^255+95, 2^255-31, 2^254+79, 2^253+51, 2^253+39 "because 19 is smaller than 31, 39, 51, 79, 95". Montgomery curve shape y^2=x^3+Ax^2+x chosen for efficiency ("to allow extremely fast x-coordinate point operations"). (A-2)/4 selected as a small integer for efficiency ("to speed up the multiplication by (A-2)/4"). Curve and twist
<MRL-Relay>
{-shen} orders required to be {4*prime,8*prime} for security ("protect against various attacks ... here 4, 8 are minimal"). Primes required to be above 2^252 for security ("theoretical possibility of a user's secret key matching the prime"), ruling out A=358990 and A=464586. A=486662 chosen as smallest positive integer meeting these requirements.
<MRL-Relay>
{-shen} compare, for instance the parameter choices of, secp256k1: GLV curve with 256 bits and prime order group; prime and coefficients not fully explained but might be minimal
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<r0ach>
Anyone know if Peter Todd is affiliated with "Vericoin" still? I was looking at this Vericoin whitepaper trying to figure out how they plan to mix PoW and PoS and it wasn't explained well.
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<r0ach>
So I'm wondering if this is just a technobabble scam or if there is anything legit there
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<fluffypony>
r0ach: Vericoin != ViaCoin
<r0ach>
oh, sorry. I can't keep track of all these things
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<gmaxwell>
despicable*
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<gmaxwell>
I've given Gun teh benefit of doubt in the past, reaching out to him when he's published misinformation like that; but it's clear to me now that he has an agenda.
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<bsm1175321>
Don't take it personally gmaxwell. This is his other project if you're not aware: http://www.falcon-net.org/
<sipa>
ha.
<maaku>
wat he totally stole freicoin's mascot
<sipa>
haha.
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<smooth>
only on topic to the extent that economic cluelessness being rampant in the crypto space is very dangerous but his post about DAO was a complete trainwreck
<smooth>
im not sure i could find a single paragraph without glaring errors
<bsm1175321>
smooth: link? I can't keep up with crowdscamoftheday... :-/