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<gmaxwell>
[OT] The oliver stone snowden movie that will be coming out in mid september is pretty good. I didn't have high expectations-- since it's a mainstream dramatazation-- but was pleasently supprised.
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<bsm1175321>
[OT] gmaxwell gets all the good tix. I saw Star Trek tonight. I'm pretty sure the writers thought they were making a video game. Something about pushing four levers to open the next door...
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* nsh
isn't quite sure still why sender/recipient non-ZKness of rangeproof prevents MW tx aggregation
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<kanzure>
anything to interrogate scott aaronson about?
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<instagibbs>
nsh, huh
<Alanius>
you're meeting scott aaronson? O_o
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<Alanius>
how about whether the many-worlds interpretation applies to classical probabilistics as well, since after all the only real difference is the L1 norm versus the L2 norm of quantum mechanics
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<kanzure>
Alanius: apparently scott aaronson has moved from mit.edu to utexas.edu because the former refused to give his wife tenure or something and the latter said sure
<kanzure>
i mentioned the dan boneh doc to him and a few minutes ago he was telling me about seeing dan earlier this week here in austin because usenix
<fluffypony>
I love how the official Linux kernel source tree is on his personal GH account
<fluffypony>
right next to "subsurface - Advanced multi-platform divelog based on Qt"
<kanzure>
iirc he does not consider github anything official for his purposes?
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<_r0ach_>
I'd like to see fluffy take the place of Linus when he dies and just get boozed up on wine in the basement and say, "this weeks kernel will include..."
<fluffypony>
hah hah
<fluffypony>
kanzure: I was just teasing, official sources are kernel.org, and I'm 80% certain they run their own git server on it
<fluffypony>
I've only ever fetched sources via rsync / ftp from there, though
<Alanius>
if I recall correctly, the clue is that even if we live in a deterministic world, it might still be impossible for any part of the rest of the universe to predict your choices without changing them
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<kanzure>
what would be bad about prediction though?
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<Alanius>
well, I guess any assignment of meaning to life and the universe implicitly assigns an active role to us human beings, but that would be impossible if all our actions were already set in stone
<Alanius>
holy crap, why didn't I read this 10 years ago?
<Alanius>
thanks!
<kanzure>
it is difficult to figure out who to route certain information to... so that is why this process is extremely inefficient.
<Alanius>
uh, yeah, that seems like a particularly relevant fact about computation and information theory
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<kanzure>
also it has been requested that i pester scott about quantum crypto safety topics. so i will do this.
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<Alanius>
if scott aaronson has an already well formed opinion on the alleged quantum security of isogeny-based crypto, I'd be very much interested to learn about that
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<kanzure>
someone has asked that i request from him "a quantum-hard version of confidential transactions"
<nsh>
i wouldn't bother trying ot talk about anything intelligent with pop philo groupies in the room
<pigeons>
tell them roku's basilisk says hi
<nsh>
but if you get him somewhere safe have a chat about quantum zero-knowledge proof and pseudo-telepathy games for distributed [no-signalling] computation
<nsh>
also what he thinks about recasting general quantum superposition/entanglement/uncertainy experiments into the context QMA proof schemes
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<nsh>
also ask SA if he expects that we can prove certain physical scenarios are unlikely through computational complexity arguments more generally than in the context of pathological GR manifolds
<nsh>
which i think was just a good place to first trial the arguments
<nsh>
(firewall paradox stuff)
<nsh>
really i need to get him and susskind in a room at once