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<yoleaux> nsh: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
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<esotericnonsense> nsh: lol.
<esotericnonsense> the source for that page is great
<esotericnonsense> does the job :P
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<bitcoin-wizards9> Hi cryptians
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<rodarmor> Taproot uses `P = C + H(C||S)G`. Why does the hash commit to the combined pubkey? Is it so that a party can't be tricked into paying to what looks like a 2-2 multisig address, but which actually has a taproot script embedded in it?
<sipa> Let's say we'd use P = C + H(S)G
<sipa> So an output with point P in it exists.
<rodarmor> So far so good
<sipa> Now you can reveal any arbitrary S' together with C' = P - H(S)G, to spend S'
<sipa> The C inside the hash makes sure that there is only one pair (C,S) that can be revealed for a given point.
<sipa> Without it, it's not a sound commitment.
<rodarmor> What's S'?
<sipa> anything you choose
<sipa> including OP_TRUE
<sipa> which would permit you to spend the coins without satsifying any additional conditions
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<rodarmor> Should that be: C' = P - H(S')G, as in, you tweak P with the desired script S'?
<sipa> oh, yes :)
<sipa> so you reveal (P - H("OP_TRUE"), "OP_TRUE") instead of (P,C)
<sipa> sorry
<sipa> so you reveal (P - H("OP_TRUE")G, "OP_TRUE") instead of (P,C)
<rodarmor> Okay, sweet, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything
<sipa> so clearly this is not a commitment, as you can trivially open it for another value than the one committed to
<rodarmor> Okay, great, I think I've got it now. Thank you!