#bitcoin-wizards on 2020-06-05 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2015-10-30 00:53 sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja

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01:21 <ariard> is anyone aware of research identifying miners or mining-pool full-nodes ?

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01:27 <yanmaani> ariard: Identifying how?

01:27 <yanmaani> You mean distinguishing?

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01:45 <ariard> yanmaani: I mean can I build such a map of all miners full-nodes and being sure I grasp 95% of them ?

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01:45 <ariard> or at least the subset who is likely to mine a block in the next few blocks

01:45 <sipa> ariard: they may not be reachable

01:46 <sipa> i have no idea whether that's the case in reality, but if i were a miner, i'd run a fun totally normal full nodes on geographically separated locations, and then have my actual mining node only connect out to those

01:46 <sipa> fun -> number of

01:47 <zmnscpxj__> sipa: interesting typo

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01:48 <ariard> sipa: but they do receive transactions somehow with entry points? can you map those points

01:48 <sipa> how would you identify them?

01:48 <ariard> like by creating conflicts in these mempools and observing conflicts tainting blocks

01:48 <zmnscpxj__> presumably they broadcast blocks earlier than others

01:49 <ariard> zmnscpxj__: right, that can be another heuristic, but they may dissociate block-relay from tx-relay

01:50 <zmnscpxj__> not sure that would be wise: miners want their blocks to be known ASAP, thus expected to do as much block-relay as possible

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01:51 <zmnscpxj__> so if they are running *some* fullnode, they have every incentive to do block-relay via that fullnode for their own blocks

01:51 <ariard> according to Matt you can't observe this from Fibre

01:51 <zmnscpxj__> possibly; Matt probably knows better about block-relay

01:51 <ariard> I've not spent time to verify this assertion and I'm quite-sure no one has done such research on Fibre

01:51 <sipa> fibre will beat normal block propagation every time

01:52 <ariard> so looking on other heuristic like provoking conflicts in assumed miners mempools

01:52 <zmnscpxj__> you could treat Fibre as a single node that every miner has an incentive to connect to

01:53 <ariard> right, what I'm looking for is creating conflict partition, and therefore doing mempool-pinning only on miners mempools

01:53 <ariard> and let the other side of the network ignorant about such pinned tx

01:53 <zmnscpxj__> seems like a feasible attack

01:54 <ariard> sadly yes, most of miners are signing their block so you should be able to identify them

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03:32 <jrayhawk> greg's xiph userdir is gone; does anyone know where to find his "so fucked" private asicboost discovery chatlog from 2017?

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03:42 <aj> jrayhawk: wayback machine?

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