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<ariard> is anyone aware of research identifying miners or mining-pool full-nodes ?
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<yanmaani> ariard: Identifying how?
<yanmaani> You mean distinguishing?
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<ariard> yanmaani: I mean can I build such a map of all miners full-nodes and being sure I grasp 95% of them ?
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<ariard> or at least the subset who is likely to mine a block in the next few blocks
<sipa> ariard: they may not be reachable
<sipa> i have no idea whether that's the case in reality, but if i were a miner, i'd run a fun totally normal full nodes on geographically separated locations, and then have my actual mining node only connect out to those
<sipa> fun -> number of
<zmnscpxj__> sipa: interesting typo
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<ariard> sipa: but they do receive transactions somehow with entry points? can you map those points
<sipa> how would you identify them?
<ariard> like by creating conflicts in these mempools and observing conflicts tainting blocks
<zmnscpxj__> presumably they broadcast blocks earlier than others
<ariard> zmnscpxj__: right, that can be another heuristic, but they may dissociate block-relay from tx-relay
<zmnscpxj__> not sure that would be wise: miners want their blocks to be known ASAP, thus expected to do as much block-relay as possible
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<zmnscpxj__> so if they are running *some* fullnode, they have every incentive to do block-relay via that fullnode for their own blocks
<ariard> according to Matt you can't observe this from Fibre
<zmnscpxj__> possibly; Matt probably knows better about block-relay
<ariard> I've not spent time to verify this assertion and I'm quite-sure no one has done such research on Fibre
<sipa> fibre will beat normal block propagation every time
<ariard> so looking on other heuristic like provoking conflicts in assumed miners mempools
<zmnscpxj__> you could treat Fibre as a single node that every miner has an incentive to connect to
<ariard> right, what I'm looking for is creating conflict partition, and therefore doing mempool-pinning only on miners mempools
<ariard> and let the other side of the network ignorant about such pinned tx
<zmnscpxj__> seems like a feasible attack
<ariard> sadly yes, most of miners are signing their block so you should be able to identify them
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<jrayhawk> greg's xiph userdir is gone; does anyone know where to find his "so fucked" private asicboost discovery chatlog from 2017?
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<aj> jrayhawk: wayback machine?
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