#bitcoin-wizards on 2021-03-06 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2021-01-19 16:49 andytoshi changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit https://bitcoin.ninja

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02:38 <kanzure> i forget.

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23:15 <jeremyrubin> roconnor: harding: <cont from ##taproot-activation>

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23:16 <jeremyrubin> The point being that we can

23:16 <roconnor> I mean, I think i see what you are saing.

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23:16 <jeremyrubin> * cannot prove out from armchair that a change meets the needs of to-be-written software

23:16 <jeremyrubin> and it would be good to have a evaluation ground where we can see if useful software has any challenges being written

23:16 <roconnor> TBH I'd sort of want a do-over with both relative and absolute locktimes using the taproot annex.

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23:18 <roconnor> that said no one does serious development for a non-existant platform.

23:18 <jeremyrubin> trillion dollar market cap we should do better :P

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23:19 <jeremyrubin> roconnor: have you checked out the sapio stuff yet?

23:19 <jeremyrubin> I'm trying to figure out a release plan, would love your feedback before then if you've time

23:19 <roconnor> ha no kidding. Okay even with an existing platform there is still no serious development.

23:20 <roconnor> With a trillion dollar market cap you'd think we'd have package relay by now.

23:20 <roconnor> I have not seen the sapio stuff.

23:20 <harding> jeremyrubin: re: your question yesterday about attaching files to bitcoin-dev ML, my PGP sigs go through all the time, you can at least attach small files.

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23:23 <harding> Agree that it's really hard to get devs building on top of proposed features. Again, every project has a limited amount of time and they rationally want to spend it on things they can implement now. I think maybe one partial solution to that is things like Elements/Liquid where new features can be quickly deployed and then used, although I think I saw jeremyrubin arguing against using sidechains in a different context.

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23:25 <jeremyrubin> harding: cf? Sounds like something I might say?

23:25 <jeremyrubin> harding: my solution is that I think running emulators that work based on signing txns works decently well

23:26 <harding> jeremyrubin: looks like it was in response to a specific thing: https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-defi-japan-smart-contracts

23:29 <jeremyrubin> Ah yeah. I think what I don't like is growing a permanent dependence on sidechains

23:29 <jeremyrubin> and then people get salty when you go after their revenue

23:29 <jeremyrubin> so I think in-band is probably better to the extent possible

23:30 <harding> That seems fair.

23:33 <aj> roconnor: yes, locktimes via the annex is on my todo list... if only i could get some consensusy things /off/ my todo list...

23:33 <jeremyrubin> aj: the real cost to the endless activation debate... cycles better spent elsewhere

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