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<roasbeef>
jeremyrubin: why's CTV simulation require a signing oracle? can't you just presign the entire thing between parties? as even w/ it you'd need some interactive negotiation to gather all the params for the contract
<roasbeef>
gleb: re that header stuff, have you looked at the flyclient stuff? or just NIPoPoWs in general, as they'd let you communicate a high work chain w/ a non-interactive proof
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<roasbeef>
harding: jeremyrubin re experimentation on elements/liquid, stuff have been live there for a while, but imo ppl don't really experiment w/ it due to need to work on present issues (as w/e work they do to build out new things might end up "wasted"), and also not very clear how you get your coins out of the system if you sent some in if you don't have an account on X exchange
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<jeremyrubin>
roasbeef: that's what an oracle is
<jeremyrubin>
You can either pick public oracles or just have you and counterparty run one
<jeremyrubin>
It was easier to write thew software to just not differentiate external oracles or one you're running yourself
<jeremyrubin>
You might want to use a third party one if you were trying to prove something about a contract to a diff third party
<jeremyrubin>
e.g., "I used my oracle, my counterparty's, and roasbeef's public server in a 3 of 3"
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<jeremyrubin>
I think the article was clear to that?
<jeremyrubin>
" At this time, because CheckTemplateVerify is not yet available, we may emulate the functionality of CTV — albeit with a worsened security model — using a signing oracle server instead. In this specific contract, using a personal signing server"
<jeremyrubin>
personal signing server -- e.g., your own