07:12 <crab1> greetings, #forth

10:53 <veltas> GREETINGS crab1

12:04 <crab1> How are my fellow forthers?

12:05 <proteusguy> doing great... building new forths. ;-) what else would a forther be doing?

12:06 <crab1> what sorts of forths are we building today?

12:07 <proteusguy> ActorForth - strong type system which I then build a forth-like language on top of it. intended to build crypto-contracts with it.

12:10 <crab1> I've still not made a forth to completion.

12:10 <proteusguy> this one isn't complete yet - but it's getting closer.

12:10 <crab1> I always end up angry at whatever architecture I'm building it on and quit

12:12 <proteusguy> crab1, haha that's understandable. but having something working is of value no matter what.

12:14 <crab1> it undoubtedly is, and it's something I fail to value enough

12:14 <crab1> because here I sit, usually writing forth on paper and never executing anything whatsoever :)

12:18 <proteusguy> keeping focus and just getting what you need done is difficult since you've always got new ideas on something else you could do with it. just expect to re-write the thing a few times, at least big chunks of it.

12:19 <proteusguy> I always have example code for useful things that I want to run in my forth. Then I build just enough forth to execute that.

12:27 <crab1> I've not honed in tightly enough on what I want

12:28 <proteusguy> well there you have it. ;-)

12:28 <proteusguy> crab1, what environment(s) are you targeting?

12:32 <crab1> either AArch64 or Amd64

12:33 <crab1> I want to use on one of my laptops, I have an arm and an intel lappy

12:33 <proteusguy> oh cool. you writing in asm64 or C/C++ or something completely different? baremetal or under an OS?

12:35 <crab1> Probably has to be under an OS since the world is telling me that getting things to boot on my ARM laptop is a PITA

12:36 <crab1> I lean toward asm, another option is ziglang.org

12:37 <crab1> zig is pretty nice to write in, but I still lean toward asm

12:38 <crab1> Hell what I want at the end of the day is almost just a forth style macro assembler

12:40 <proteusguy> never heard of ziglang before. interesting.

12:41 <crab1> zig is almost like 'C but everything works how you expect it to'

12:41 <crab1> and it has decent error messages and good options for writings tests and such

12:45 <proteusguy> looks pretty cool like a better classic 'C', a platform independent assembly language.

12:47 <crab1> I at least get less annoyed with Zig than I do C

12:48 <proteusguy> my canonical implementation of ActorForth is using python. It will eventually be self hosted. Haven't decided what underlying target platform that will assume. Eventually I want to make an FGPA that interprets its primitives natively.

12:51 <crab1> mm FPGAs are nice

12:52 <proteusguy> ideal if you need a stack based processor...

12:56 <proteusguy> What asm64 I've written I've done with nasm. Much prefer it to the gnu asm syntax.

12:59 <crab1> there is also yasm

13:04 <cmtptr> am i the one person on earth who doesn't mind at&t syntax

13:05 <proteusguy> cmtptr, perhaps the "last" ;-)

13:05 <crab1> Personally, I find all of the standard asm syntaxes unwieldly

13:05 <proteusguy> crab1, I'd heard of yasm but never tried it.

13:06 <cmtptr> maybr it's just gnu stockholm syndrome

13:06 <proteusguy> crab1, agreed which is why I prefer writing my own asm in forth but the x86 CPU is a monster. Not something nice like 6809 or 68k.

13:08 <crab1> but ATT is really no worse than Intel or any others in my book