03:48 <shynoob> MrMobius, hey

03:49 <MrMobius> hey

03:52 <shynoob> I uhh had a desire to build games.. but I searched about the process.. and the complaints of creating and maintaining a game.. was quite a thing.. and the guys I used to hang out with .. used to prefer to work at lower level of abstraction.. since that would mean more power.. coz more control.. so I was just inclined to build games from scratch

03:52 <shynoob> instead of using existing game engines.. and since I was gonna go that route.. figured if I am gonna do everything myself.. why stick with C or C++ ... so was checking out new languages I could start my journey on.. would be nice for a lifelong quest I suppose, MrMobius

03:56 <shynoob> but I understand there are so many choices to make.. and I was looking for efficient as well as powerful languages.. with which I had finer degree of control on what I want to do with my computer.. I came across ATS, Zim, Rust, D, and many more.. Forth seemed simpler... but I still am not sure.. if its plausible for me to do that

03:57 <shynoob> it would be a hell of a big project to dedicated upon.. I just want to do build multiple games.. hoping making first game.. would give me enough confidence.. and help me speed thru the process again...

03:58 <shynoob> sure it doesnt work like going thru a tutorial.. just the context and experience might help with the intuition and choices .. I'll make for further games

03:58 <shynoob> are you in the games industry too? MrMobius,

05:05 <MrMobius> shynoob, interesting. was curious mainly because people dont come to forth when they want to make a game

05:06 <MrMobius> nah, Im not in the games industry

05:06 <MrMobius> why dont you try making a really simple game first?

05:07 <MrMobius> I made a 2d game with pygame and python. it was very easy to get working

05:15 <shynoob> you mean a simple game with forth?

05:16 <shynoob> or just with anything?

05:23 <proteusguy> shynoob, well preferably forth since this is the forth channel. ;-)

05:23 <shynoob> ofc :D

05:33 <MrMobius> shynoob, yes, if youre interested in forth there are very simple games you could work on

05:34 <MrMobius> but if youre interested in making games, even 2d stuff, you should try Python at first then move to C/C++ eventually if you still want to make your own engine

05:34 <MrMobius> of C# if you find and engine that uses that. I think Unity does

05:40 <shynoob> I am interested in Forth.. lets see

05:41 <shynoob> thanks for the advice

05:41 <shynoob> I'll check out what I can do with forth first

05:42 <MrMobius> each language has its strengths so forth has its strengths

05:42 <MrMobius> but making games is not one of them

05:43 <shynoob> making DSL is one of them tho?

05:43 <MrMobius> you can see how far you get. hopefully it will be interesting and youll learn a lot even if you dont end up with a game

05:44 <shynoob> hm

06:49 <DKordic> shynoob: Welcome. IMHO changing a language because of a lack of some lib is ID10Tic. I am dissapointed by the advices... that has been thrown at You.

06:51 <shynoob> thanks but they just probably wished I could get started and done with stuff faster... without getting dragged into stuff much..

06:53 <shynoob> I just felt it wont make a difference and could be efficien in the longer run if I stick with Forth

06:54 <boru> You've been discussing this for days now.

06:55 <boru> If you're unwilling to listen to people's advice, why not just start your project and find out whether Forth is suitable or not.

06:55 <shynoob> yeah I guess..was just taking my own time...

06:55 <shynoob> I've been reading too

06:56 <boru> That's a good start.

06:56 <boru> But don't get design paralysis; sometimes some prototyping is useful to assert whether something is feasible or not.

16:05 <shynoob> hey so what text editors do you guys use?

17:18 <cmtptr> vim

17:18 <cmtptr> i don't actually write forth though so maybe don't pay any attention to me

17:19 <john_cephalopoda> Hi

17:20 <john_cephalopoda> Are we in the middle of an editor war? :þ

17:48 <cmtptr> if we are, then i'm winning

19:06 <crest> vim

20:04 <john_cephalopoda> nano and geany are the best text editors.

20:10 <john_cephalopoda> The lack of syntax highlighting is inconvenient but it's fine.

22:01 <veltas> Use vim more than anything else, the Forth syntax highlighting is not amazing

22:01 <veltas> But is it ever? Maybe in Color Forth?

22:10 <john_cephalopoda> I have looked at syntax highlighting in various editors. It's all pretty difficult.

22:10 <john_cephalopoda> I once wrote an IDE for GLSL in C

22:11 <john_cephalopoda> *I once wrote an IDE for GLSL in C++ with qt. There are nice features for syntax highlighting in qt.

23:33 <MrMobius> notepad++ has foth highlighting built in

23:33 <MrMobius> I use it for everything anyway