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<qih>
Hi, I am reading 'Thinking Forth' (Again) and wanted to ask for guidance on a modern, compliant Forth to install & experiment with? As a refresher.
<qih>
I found the '4tH' site and quite like it, but others may have a better take.
<proteusguy>
qih, I don't think you'll get many arguments against most forths you come across. More importantly is what kind of platform you're targeting and what kind of applications you wanna build.
<qih>
I was using Mecrisp-Stellaris on ARM a few years ago with no viable use case. But I am focusing on using RPi v3/4 running Raspbian to do sensing networks & motor controlling.
<qih>
But I am *now* focusing ...
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<proteusguy>
qih, that's a popular and actively supported forth. Don't think you can go wrong there.
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<qih>
proteusguy: good call, thank you.
<tabemann>
I should have packed my laptop so I could code on my vacation
<qih>
Only software developers equate Coding & Vacation ... I get that 8-)
<tabemann>
lol
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<qih>
tabemann: wb, so that was the vacation, eh?
<tabemann>
going to the coast of Oregon
<tabemann>
had to go through Portland to get here
* proteusguy
can't imagine going anywhere without his laptop for any length of time.
<tabemann>
didn't see any protestors or riot police though
<tabemann>
thankfully
<proteusguy>
tabemann, where you traveling from?
<tabemann>
milwaukee
<proteusguy>
quite a drive.
<tabemann>
went by train for most of the way
<proteusguy>
tabemann, wow cool. was it one of those scenic trains?
<tabemann>
there were parts that were quite scenic (Glacier National Park, Mt. Hood), while there were other stretches that were less so (eastern Montana)
<proteusguy>
tabemann, how long's the ride? mind if I ask about how much such a ticket costs?
<tabemann>
a total of about two days
<tabemann>
I don't know offhand what a ticket costs since I didn't buy a ticket at its normal cost but rather in part with train miles gotten with a credit card
<tabemann>
but what I do know is the cost I got it at was steeply discounted as a result
<proteusguy>
two days is a long ride. sounds like a nice adventure if the ride is comfy. in Europe I much prefer taking the trains over airlines. also is a great coding environment I find. given airports and obnoxious security and tightly packed planes, maybe USA is in for a train resurgence.
<qih>
proteusguy: Fair point re Rail, but the Road Transport network is king in the US, same with AU & NZ. So Rail will never be more than an alternative in every sense of the word.
<qih>
I'd love to travel by Rail in Europe, no damn driving.
<tabemann>
the problem with trains in the US is that passenger trains get lower priority than freight trains on many parts of the rail network
<proteusguy>
tabemann, so you were sitting still for a good part of that travel time I gather?
<tabemann>
yeah
<proteusguy>
qih, indeed. certainly not viable if you're in a rush.
<tabemann>
reading, watching the scenery
<proteusguy>
tabemann, 2 days is just enough time to port a forth to a new target platform. ;-)
* proteusguy
just got pattern matching mechanics working in his ActorForth. Now to get the compiler to recognize/generate it.
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<tabemann>
with zeptoforth, porting it to another M4 impl. should take about only half a day
<tabemann>
(well at least if Mecrisp-Stellaris also implements it - lol)
<proteusguy>
self driving cars will save us all!
<qih>
proteusguy: One can only hope
<tabemann>
unless they're made by Uber or Tesla
* proteusguy
wants a Tesla Model S realllly bad.
<qih>
I'd be happy with a Gen 3 Nissan Leaf tbh.
<tabemann>
my boss is scary when he drives his Tesla
<qih>
Awesome ... o_0
<tabemann>
I made the mistake of being in his car (which was before I was told of his driving habits) - I had to try hard to keep calm as it seemed like he'd either get us or someone else killed
<tabemann>
bbiab
<qih>
Ah that'd be a good opportunity for a covert '911' call ...
<qih>
k
<tabemann>
back
<tabemann>
of course the fact that teslas have incredible acceleration capacity did not help
<qih>
Guess so, some people should only ever drive a Toyota Echo
<qih>
tabemann: So are you actively using zeptoforth?
<tabemann>
not for anything, more for development for development's sake right now
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<tabemann>
right now it is pretty usable but has a few major gaps
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<tabemann>
e.g. no double-cell or fixed-point parsing, a rather slow impl of ln
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<qih>
OK makes sense.
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<MrMobius>
hehe, see above comment about making forths being much more popular than making programs in Forth :P
<proteusguy>
MrMobius, seems that the most fun forth program to write is another forth. ;-)
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<shynoob>
how many use windows here?
<shynoob>
many or some?
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<MrMobius>
shynoob, I use windows
<MrMobius>
I wanted to ask you, what made you want to make your game in Forth?