06:22 <siraben> Don't linux distros have a bootloader that runs Forth, or am I misremembering?

06:24 <siraben> Hm, they didn't give a reason why Forth libraries were large, my guess is that they're storing it as text and interpreting rather than compiling.

08:48 <patrickg> siraben: some BSDs have (or had) a forth interpreter in their boot loader. As for the EFI excuse, that was 100% political with excuses made up on the spot ex post facto on why they rejected OpenFirmware

08:48 <siraben> What was the politician reason, licensing?

08:48 <siraben> political*

08:49 <patrickg> "build our own" to protect their partners

08:51 <patrickg> I have a statement somewhere in my archives that Intel considered it a major downside of OpenFirmware that Phoenix and Award (back when they were still different companies) would have to compete in a market with existing incumbents. can't have that.

09:47 <proteusguy> siraben, that was the old Sun workstations. They went straight into a forth implementation although almost no one knew.

09:48 <veltas> I think there is a video on 4ther youtube channel of someone running a sun workstation ROM in qemu

09:48 <veltas> The prompt starts 'ok ', very snazzy

09:58 <patrickg> the sun thing is openfirmware, also used on PowerPC. openbios.org collects the various open source implementations

10:00 <patrickg> originally there was just OpenBIOS under GPL, eventually the major existing implementations were opened up, usually with a BSD license

13:04 <veltas> https://github.com/codr7/alang

13:08 <veltas> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25652865

15:39 <veltas> https://www.reuters.com/article/tenstorrent-tech/moves-former-intel-tesla-chip-exec-jim-keller-joins-artificial-intelligence-startup-idUSL1N2JG2I6

15:39 <veltas> "Keller has been named president, chief technology officer and a board member of Tenstorrent Inc, a company founded in 2016 by Advanced Micro Devices Inc and Nvidia Corp veteran Ljubisa Bajic to create an AI chip that mimics some of the ways the human brain works to become more energy efficient than rival chips."

15:39 <veltas> Is that not something like the greenarrays chip?

15:40 <MrMobius> im guessing not at all

15:41 <veltas> The greenarrays chip is more like what I'd expect than their chip is, looking at their block diagram

15:47 <MrMobius> does their block diagram have floating point units like a graphics card?