00:18 <d1b2> <Hardkrash> @Attie is this Shippable to USA? Or is that cost/effort ineffective?

00:19 <d1b2> <Attie> unfortunately I'm only able to ship to EU/UK, sorry

00:43 <midnight> Attie: Most of the people I know in my remote Canadian circle are waiting for the crowd supply campaign.

00:44 <midnight> And IMO for the revC1 that is absolutely not too steep at all..

00:44 <d1b2> <Attie> good to know, thanks!

19:28 <electronic_eel> Attie: are you sure your £115 are sustainable and there is enough margin for unpredictable problems? like some new customs bureaucracy, us export restrictions,...

19:29 <electronic_eel> or part shortages with steeply rising prises - remember the mlcc crisis from a few years ago?

20:06 <d1b2> <Attie> electronic_eel - it's certainly tight, and I'm not sure I'd want to offer it at that price past this group buy... I have included some margin in the figures, i hope enough

20:07 <d1b2> <Attie> i think I've covered customs charges and issues, but could you expand ont he US export comment? (I've not come across a financial implication on that before)

20:08 <d1b2> <Attie> re supply chain / mlcc, i do remember... hmm

20:09 <electronic_eel> you need to buy parts, and the big distributors are mostly in the us. so what if exporting stuff from there became much more complicated, needs special forms, applications, even brokers or whatever?

20:09 <electronic_eel> the us are in a trade war with china and want to cut off some chinese companies like Huawei from access to strategic parts

20:09 <d1b2> <Attie> ah i see... fair point

20:09 <electronic_eel> if they really escalate it, it could also affect other businesses

20:10 <electronic_eel> and trump doesn't care about that at all

20:12 <electronic_eel> about the price - if you got the feeling it is thight and you may not offer it at that price again - then I'd say your calculation may be flawed and I'd reconsider the price

20:12 <electronic_eel> now, before the group buy members have payed, you can still reconsider

20:12 <d1b2> <Attie> I'm currently planning to use PCBWay's turnkey service (boards + assembly), so I won't be purchasing/sourcing directly...

20:13 <d1b2> <Attie> indeed - I've sent a message to the group, and mentioned that prices will likely rise if the numbers come down... and we're currently just about at the low end (numbers wise) of what i'd worked out for costings

20:14 <d1b2> <Attie> (i gave an estimated figure more inline with 100% of those registered as interested coming through to purchase, which was perhaps a little naive)

20:15 <electronic_eel> I haven't done business with them yet, so I can't say anything about them. But when some external problems came, other companies, western or chinese, have given me the option to either pay extra or cancel the order.

20:15 <d1b2> <Attie> (we're currently at ~72%)

20:16 <d1b2> <Attie> interesting, I've not had that in the past, but my orders are typically for smaller prototype runs

20:17 <electronic_eel> if the problem is really on their side, like they goofed up reading in the gerbers, then most companies will offer a free redelivery

20:18 <electronic_eel> but even that doesn't cover the import duties you payed for the bad parts

20:18 <d1b2> <Attie> true

20:18 <electronic_eel> and import vat in the uk is 20%?

20:18 <d1b2> <Attie> yeah, plus a fee from DHL usually

20:18 <electronic_eel> yeah, there you have parts of your risk

21:30 <d1b2> <Attie> electronic_eel - sorry, had to run off.. thanks for talking things through earlier