<Noxz>
sync, but you likely could not go to a botique nor service center for a job w/o a cert.. you can do cert tests without having done the schooling, but there are some expectations.. making money is one thing, making a living is another.. also forget about getting a parts account to any major brand (like Rolex) without an indepth review (they even go to your shop to make sure you have various brands of tools and sometimes ensure you have their brands)
<Noxz>
the industry is completely not needed, and sure, "stupid" could be applied to it, not really advancing humanity/science with current watchmaking work
<Noxz>
I'm not trying to defend what I am going through neither, but to dumb down something that takes 2+ years into "it's just micro mechanics" seems a bit far fetched of a statement
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<jesseg>
howdy Noxz
<Noxz>
yo
<Noxz>
looking up lathes
<jesseg>
cool
<jesseg>
what size are you looking at?
<Noxz>
also.. I may be getting a langmuir trough
<Noxz>
well, I am looking at a Hardinge HLV-H
<Noxz>
which is kinda big?
<Noxz>
for a home shop
<jesseg>
wow cool
<Noxz>
I'm actually pretty excited about the langmuir stuff.. it's part of my graphene adventures and I thought I would have to make one myself
<jesseg>
I don't know anything about the langmuir stuff
<Noxz>
think of it as building up monolayers on the surface of some solution, and pulling it off onto a substrate
<Noxz>
lifting it off
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<sync>
Noxz: sure, but I'm not trying to be a watchmaker, for obvious reasons
<sync>
and why would I get a parts account, then it's just like being a parts changer for which you need even less training and experience
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<Noxz>
having parts at your disposal doesnt make you less experienced.. in fact, it's a time saver in many cases, and required under certain warranty aspects vs recreating the item yourself... like if you go to a car shop, would you want the guys there to forge you a new axle or would you prefer them to get the part? it's two very difference trades at that point
<jesseg>
depends where they'd be getting the new axle from. There's some junk out there. There might be a situation where I would want them to forge me one out of pop cans :P
<Noxz>
watchmaking is not watch manufacturing
<Noxz>
and there is "bread and butter" of new brands.. vintage wont make you much unless you are a master restorer
<Noxz>
so, parts should be available
<Noxz>
jesseg, but is that a common practice at car shops? is it expected? do you have a name to backup some reputation?
<Noxz>
etc etc
<sync>
the times when I had to deal with watches it was due to no parts being available
<jesseg>
Noxz, I was just making a joke about how bad some quality is from some manufacturers.
<sync>
and people being unable to make them
<Noxz>
jesseg, but what makes your part better?
<Noxz>
but that is why we are learnign manufacturing during first year.. is to be able to make any part we may need
<Noxz>
but have been told that a lathe may be completely not-needed if you are doing modern repair
<Noxz>
but absolutely needed if doing vintage
<Noxz>
I get what everyone is saying..
<jesseg>
Noxz, it was just a joke. I think it's really cool you're taking a watchmaking class. If I could afford to do it, I would do it myself. I've tinkered a bit with clocks, usually just cleaning and umm oiling (Is that frowned upon? dry brass on brass tends to squeak and wear without oil..)
<Noxz>
we oil/grease all pivots :P
<jesseg>
in fact a friend got a german cuckoo clock that needs a bit of work
<Noxz>
we use 4 different oils currently, and one grease
<jesseg>
cool. that was my instinct to lubricate but people are always like "Oh don't do that, it'll attract dust.."
<Noxz>
and once we start on high end quartz watches, they use a diff set of oils
<Noxz>
well, the mechanism should be sealed from dust as best as possible
<Noxz>
I recall reading a paper on MEMS gearing and something about using methanol vapor as the pivot lubrication system
<jesseg>
I once took a low end quartz watch and connected its little electromagnetic coil to 3v AC 60hz. The second hand went around once per second instead of once per minute.
<jesseg>
cuckoo clocks usually aren't sealed because the little door opens and out comes a birdie
<Noxz>
we have one in the class that doesnt run, I dont know the mechanism behind it
<Noxz>
anywho, time for dog walk
<Noxz>
thens chool
<Noxz>
half inch of rain today
<sync>
Noxz: the car repair industry reference is basically the same thing in the end
<sync>
it's just being a parts changer after all
<Noxz>
yeah, I have no misconceptions about the aim of the program.. but unless I fix a htousand watches, I wont know what to focus on of what breaks and make them to not
<Noxz>
or similarly enough
<Noxz>
my goal is to manufacture
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