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<deltab> lgierth: did it start with #3?
<lgierth> deltab: we started using tinyletter with 3
<lgierth> the others are on the website
<deltab> ah okay
<lgierth> ipfs.io/blog
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<Qwertie> Whats the best resource to learn about how ipfs works without having to read all of go-ipfs? I know all the basic stuff but not the details of how it works.
<voxelot> Qwertie: have you read the white paper yet? https://github.com/ipfs/papers/raw/master/ipfs-cap2pfs/ipfs-p2p-file-system.pdf
<Qwertie> Nope, That looks like what I need though
<voxelot> :)
<spikebike> does building IPFS from github still hand during make install?
<noffle> Qwertie: juan did a good talk at stanford that overviews ipfs and its significance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUVmypx9HGI
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<dennisn> Why not Freenet?
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<dennisn> Ie. what does ipfs do that freenet doesn't -- why build a new p2p network instead of augmenting an existing one?
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<dennisn> nm -- ipfs doesn't support anonymity
<ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #237: Update eslint-config-standard-react to version 2.2.0
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #202: Update eslint-config-standard to version 5.1.0
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vglxj
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 537cd48 Jeromy Johnson: Merge pull request #2310 from ipfs/docs/install-tips...
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<Qwertie> Does ipfs take into consideration physical closeness of peers to download a file from?
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<lovelaced> Qwertie: as far as I know, it definitely takes into closeness as far as network is concerned
<lovelaced> i.e. it should pull over LAN before WAN, local subnet before next subnet, etc
<lovelaced> cc jbenet whyrusleeping if this isn't quite true yet
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #203: eslint-plugin-standard@1.3.2 breaks build ⚠️ (master...greenkeeper-eslint-plugin-standard-1.3.2) https://git.io/vg8UT
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<Kubuxu> can someone send the official ipfs kitten pic?
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<Qwertie> jbenet, You said you are working with a browser developer to get ipfs implemented. What browser was it?
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<slothbag> are windoze builds borked on master at the moment? mine not working
<Kubuxu> Will check.
<Kubuxu> slothbag: how are you installing it?
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<slothbag> just doing a "git pull" then "go build .\cmd\ipfs"
<slothbag> i update from master once a week
<slothbag> i also tried go get -u .\cmd\ipfs
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<Kubuxu> you have to do `make install`
<Kubuxu> slothbag: ^
<slothbag> oh, thats new
<slothbag> actually, windows doesnt have make
<Kubuxu> either use alredy built from dist.ipfs.io or use cygwin and build it yourself.
<slothbag> so i guess the go build infrastructure was not sufficient huh
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<Kubuxu> no, it didn't come with good enough dependency resolution
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<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: I might write lua-gx :P There is luarocks for Lua but is is complicated, centralized and so on. I need something simple.
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<Kubuxu> Just got weird issue: ipfs get QmYusttUDamn61aRyDrdwbrbiu37Mu566mj1ckkKXcvF3v, ctrl+C after 3 minutes, ipfs dht findprovs QmYusttUDamn61aRyDrdwbrbiu37Mu566mj1ckkKXcvF3v kill it after a second, ipfs get QmYusttUDamn61aRyDrdwbrbiu37Mu566mj1ckkKXcvF3v worked right away
<Kubuxu> (my gx is stalling because of that).
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<aquilax> Kubuxu: did you try gx without the local node running ?
<Kubuxu> I've downloaded it, it was just slow
<Kubuxu> /hanging
<lgierth> yeah i've seen these hangs too...
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<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: ping me when you are online and have a moment to talk about gx.
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<rainfly_x> Hi all. I'm playing with IPFS, trying to migrate a static site to it. I'm running into issues with broken links, since they're all /absolute/urls by design in the current version of the site.
<rainfly_x> I figured I'd ask here, before reinventing the wheel, what kinds of solutions people usually use to solve that.
<ansuz> rainfly_x :D
<ansuz> ur alive
<rainfly_x> ansuz: Oh hey, you're on here!
<ansuz> ofc
<rainfly_x> Well actually, I should not be surprised
<ansuz> hyperborians and ipfs-ers are the best of friends
<rainfly_x> Damn, I bet
<ansuz> ipfs.io is on hype
<rainfly_x> I've been out of the game for quite awhile now.
<ansuz> h.ipfs.io, that is
<rainfly_x> Oooh, nice
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<rainfly_x> ansuz: Hey, does this load for you? CSS and links should be broken as shit, but I'm curious.
<rainfly_x> /ipfs/QmWHiv5fqxp8UsxV6zeZUEx4SNFf1gYEWMhpZVWNWA7t6E/posts/
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<aquilax> rainfly_x: you can use (sub)domain to forward to the ipfs gateway
<ansuz> nothing so far
<rainfly_x> I might need to restart my daemon. I was having real trouble getting stuff from any peers earlier.
<rainfly_x> I watched that video demo and that worked, but after that...
<dansup> a wild rainfly_x appears
<dansup> hey man :D
<rainfly_x> I think it might have something to do with the anti-leecher market model. I started out pretty leechy this morning.
<rainfly_x> Hey dansup!
<rainfly_x> Long time no chat
<Kubuxu> derp you are here....
<dansup> yeah! Glad to see you, I am playing with ipfs for urlcloud :D
<dansup> Kubuxu, yes, hello
<rainfly_x> aquilax: I'm not really sure what you mean, yet... are we talking my personal gateway, or some public one?
<aquilax> rainfly_x: the public one
<rainfly_x> aquilax: So a setup where http://myarbitrarysubdomain.ipfs.io/ pointed to the root of my little static site?
<aquilax> More like ipfs.yourdomain.com pointing to your static site
<rainfly_x> aquilax: Ah
<rainfly_x> So I run a gateway daemon there, which serves content from IPFS?
<aquilax> I think it's enough to run the node so the content is in the network but Maybe you can be a gateway too
<rainfly_x> If I'm gonna host this in IPFS, I'd rather get out of the gateway business for that.
<aquilax> your DNS should resolve to ipfs gateway, either public one or your own if you want and the TXT record indicates which hash should be opened
<rainfly_x> Let the network take the load.
<aquilax> documentation says: So, if you point your.domain's A record to the IP of gateway.ipfs.io, and then wait for the DNS to propogate, then anyone should be able to access your ipfs-hosted site without any extra configuration simply at http://your.domain.
<rainfly_x> Interesting.
<rainfly_x> I'm assuming that also requires the TXT record, so that the public gateway knows WTF to serve there.
<aquilax> yes
* rainfly_x scampers off to learn the IPNS subcommands
<rainfly_x> Be back shortly.
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<rainfly_x> Back
<rainfly_x> Had to switch to i3 - I've come to like Unity for gaming (burn me at the stake, I know), but it's preposterous garbage for doing lots of terminal work.
<rainfly_x> Especially with the neutered default terminal that no longer supports tabs. I guess tabs are "scary" and "confusing"
<rainfly_x> Why you would need to coddle advanced/terminal users against useful features is still an open question.
<aquilax> xfce works good for me
<rainfly_x> I've heard good things about that
<aquilax> way better than unity
<aquilax> http://ipfs.dating.bazadanni.com/ just tried static hosting and it worked
<rainfly_x> Neat, works for me here too.
<rainfly_x> Although I imagine it should work the same for everyone pretty reliably.
<rainfly_x> If you can talk to the public gateway, anyways...
<aquilax> it's a bit slow I guess because I use 0.4
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<rainfly_x> aquilax: Mind checking whether this is propogating across the network? http://localhost:8080/ipfs/QmbGiCikU2NfmFcfDDZfLhdbuMPYyDtF6YSDQnxL8V4fz2/posts/
<aquilax> works :)
<rainfly_x> aquilax: Oh hells yes :D
<aquilax> a bit broken but that's expected
<rainfly_x> Right. It won't be a "real" test until I have DNS entries set up.
<aquilax> or make the links relative
<rainfly_x> There might still be some breakage even then. But it'll be a lot clearer what's actually broken, vs. incompatible with the way it's being loaded
<rainfly_x> aquilax: Multiple, variable layers of heirarchy. I really considered relative links, but didn't want the headache.
<rainfly_x> That's the problem - in some places I'd be using ../css, in other places ../../css, and I'd need logic for when to use what. Bleh.
<aquilax> yeah it's a hassle
<aquilax> current DNS solution is not very nice for maintenance though
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<rainfly_x> Before I head out for a bit - anyone know how I can get started with ipfs name? I think I need to set up a PKI pair, but don't know how.
<rainfly_x> I tried just publishing, in case that did it automatically. But that freezes
<rainfly_x> `ipfs name publish <somehash>` has been running for awhile now with no apparent progress.
* rainfly_x runs out to walk the dog
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<voxelot> rainfly_x: you should get a return of 'hash published to multihashID' on successful publish, try restarting your daemon if it's hanging
<voxelot> and no need to generate PKI pairs, RSA pairs are generated on init. just ipfs name publish should work
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<aquilax> restarting the daemon worked for me
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<daviddias> whyrusleeping: are you around?
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<alu> ipfs work on openwrt ?
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<voxelot> daviddias: all tests passing for new peer-id modules but node-forge is having problems with webpack
<voxelot> let me know if you have any ideas
<daviddias> voxelot: forge requires crypto? to work in the browser? hmm
<daviddias> voxelot: webpack can replace things, check https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-api/blob/master/tasks/config.js#L39-L46
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<voxelot> when i try to run our tests i get this error http://pastebin.com/Mphdj9rs
<daviddias> voxelot: we actually have https://github.com/diasdavid/webcrypto which uses crypto-browserify in the place of crypto, if running on the browser
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<voxelot> daviddias: i tried running the node-forge min in node and got the no crypto error so it's not meant to be run in he node env, only browser
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<substack> daviddias: what kind of crypto does ipfs need?
<daviddias> voxelot: just ending a call, will try to understand what is going there in a bit
<daviddias> substack: mostly hashing and signing data at the IPFS level
<voxelot> substack: RSA keypairs, asn.1 objects and protobuf der buffers
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<voxelot> this is what i was working on for id generation https://github.com/nginnever/js-peer-id/blob/master/src/index.js
<substack> that makes sense then I guess
<voxelot> daviddias: no worries, we can chat options when you get a chance, going to look at some other things for a bit today
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<daviddias> voxelot: let's get the forge things working on https://github.com/nginnever/js-peer-id first
<daviddias> can you run the browser tests there?
<daviddias> js-peer-id was being tested with browserify and zull
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<daviddias> zuul
<daviddias> makes sense now to go webpack + karma
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<daviddias> voxelot can you do that in your PR as well and see if the same error happens?
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<voxelot> daviddias: yup, i'll put in some webpack work today and setup js-peer-id for webpack + karma
<daviddias> voxelot: thank you :)
<voxelot> as for forge it seems there is an issue with the UMD boilerplate they're using https://github.com/digitalbazaar/forge/issues/198
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<voxelot> the work around is to use requirejs to build the min and require that in node so webpack can use it, but that give the no crypto error
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<daviddias> oh, seems that harlantwood is on that track as well
<daviddias> voxelot: seems taht there is an hack https://github.com/digitalbazaar/forge/issues/198#issuecomment-74965544
<daviddias> nvm, I see now everything you were saying
<daviddias> dignifiedquire xicombd__ wanna shed some webpacking light here?
* dignifiedquire wave magic webpack wand
<daviddias> eeheh :D
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: voxelot what's the exact issue you are having?
<dignifiedquire> first of all you are using zuul and not karma, so bad things will happen as you don't have good karma :P
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: folks are being unable to use the `node-forge` library with WebPack
<daviddias> ahah dignifiedquire that is old, before node-forge was added :)
* dignifiedquire reading what node-forge is
<daviddias> node-forge is a crypto lib made by the people at digitialbazar to do crypto in the browser
<dignifiedquire> ahh
<dignifiedquire> :)
<daviddias> they offer a build version, but it seems that requiring the module and webpackign it is breaking it https://github.com/digitalbazaar/forge/issues/198#issuecomment-74965544
<daviddias> that issue describes it and someone made "it work" by using the dist version from requirejs
<daviddias> however, the story was not over and there are still problems
<dignifiedquire> that's horrible
<dignifiedquire> there is a better fix for this
<dignifiedquire> let me see if I can whip up sth for you
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: I knew you would have a trick in your sleeve :D
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<ansuz> whyrusleeping daviddias pewpew
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<daviddias> ansuz always shoots first
<ansuz> :D
<ansuz> haven't seen you on hype yet
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire created greenkeeper-babel-core-6.5.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vg4q5
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<daviddias> I've heard that there is a new one that is even more hyped
<ansuz> this is my periodic nag session
<ansuz> my ircd perma-netsplit
<ansuz> you guys should come hang out
<ansuz> (cool kids are doing it)
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<dignifiedquire> oh my god
<dignifiedquire> what are they doing
<dignifiedquire>
<dignifiedquire> requirejs just makes things so complicated
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: I'm afraid there is no easy fix, they make some pretty crazy things there with their wrapper, it's amazing that other build tools work with it but I think you need to fix that as webpack can't understand the current version :/
<daviddias> oh :(
<dignifiedquire> does browserify work?
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: haven't tried with browserify //cc voxelot
<daviddias> can we add an external script to be loaded by webpack, without making it try to mangle it
<voxelot> dignifiedquire: thanks for looking!
<daviddias> like, old style script tag
<voxelot> going to try browserify right now
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: yes but it uses require to load dependencies
<dignifiedquire> voxelot: don't bother
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: I see
<dignifiedquire> browserify fails as well
<voxelot> yeah? well haha
<dignifiedquire> no chance, this stuff is not statically analyzable
<dignifiedquire> so neither have any chance of doing the right thing
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<dignifiedquire> oh my god, so many updates, first standard and now babel
<dignifiedquire> task for next week, update all repos to all new dependencies..
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<dignifiedquire> voxelot: I suggest for now include the compiled version with noparse + weigh in on that thread to fix the header + open an issue on webpack/webpack linking to that issue if there is a way to hack it/what can be done
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<voxelot> dignifiedquire: webpack noob, so there should be a way to have webpack 'noparse' or don't build the dependencies just inject the forge distribution file into our webpack when it's doing the browser test, and have the cli tests run on the node moduel forge
<voxelot> and also yes will follow up on those issues
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<voxelot> ty!
<dignifiedquire> voxelot: might need also http://webpack.github.io/docs/shimming-modules.html#exporting
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire created greenkeeper-babel-runtime-6.5.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vg43r
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/greenkeeper-babel-runtime-6.5.0 793036e greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update babel-runtime to version 6.5.0...
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<slothbag> so I tried to install all the ipfs deps by hand using gx-go and gx install --global.. it starts to compile now but throws a lot of compile errors.. (on windows)
<slothbag> shame I cant build on windows anymore
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #204: babel-core@6.5.0 breaks build ⚠️ (master...greenkeeper-babel-core-6.5.0) https://git.io/vg4Gx
<dignifiedquire> slothbag: could you file an issue with details please, we want windows compat, but given that most of the work is done on unix systems we struggle with thi sometimes, so reporting broken things makes it easier for us to fix
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