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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping tagged v0.4.0-rc2 at master: https://git.io/vgycX
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<ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #244: Update eslint to version 2.0.0
<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #211: mocha@2.4.4 breaks build
<whyrusleeping> ^wtf is this shit
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<Qwertie> I started making this tool for downloading things linked on reddit if anyone is interested https://github.com/Qwertie-/Sub-Archive
<Qwertie> *Downloads then adds to ipfs
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<daviddias> voxelot: CR'ed your PR, merged and released a new version
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<Qwertie> If directory A and B both share some files could someone downloading B grab the shared files from people with A pinned?
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<VegemiteToast> ipfs breaks files into blocks
<VegemiteToast> so if the block had the same hash. I would answer yes
<VegemiteToast> *the block is was requesting.
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] chriscool pushed 1 new commit to improve-windows-doc: https://git.io/vgyMt
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/improve-windows-doc 02bc5c0 Christian Couder: doc: complete windows.md...
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<richardlitt> lgierth: I am supposed to follow up with you about Docker?
<richardlitt> Are you writing a blogpost or something?
<richardlitt> (I forget)
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<lgierth> richardlitt: mh? yeah i wanna write a blog post but haven't written a single line yet
<richardlitt> lgierth: heh. That must be it.
<richardlitt> You should start@
<richardlitt> :D
<richardlitt> Do you need help?
<lgierth> tomorrow
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<lgierth> i'll get a rough draft ready and ping you
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<lgierth> that post will be shorter than the v03x/v04x post
<richardlitt> lgierth: cool.
<richardlitt> Alright, gonna go eat breakfast.
<lgierth> just a little hey look what you can do with it
<richardlitt> thanks lars
<lgierth> o/
<richardlitt> yeah, that works
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] lgierth deleted v0.4.0-dev at 63a8e75: https://git.io/vgyAF
<lgierth> chriscool: you pushed that one back into existance ^ :)
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<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: have you started on the install docs?
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<ansuz> I put a wee post about ipfs on my blag
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<voxelot> daviddias: sweet!
<voxelot> hey have you started working on importer stream or buffer functions yet?
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<richardlitt> dignifiedquire: I... proofread them?
<dignifiedquire> I thought you would write them
<richardlitt> dignifiedquire: checking, one second
<richardlitt> hmm
<richardlitt> Seeing this issue: https://github.com/ipfs/website/issues/95
<richardlitt> Damn, I must have misfiled this :(
<richardlitt> Where were the docs going? for the website?
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<dignifiedquire> yes
<dignifiedquire> see the notes from last monday
<dignifiedquire> we listed all the changes in there
<richardlitt> ok
<richardlitt> thanks
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<richardlitt> I ... am not quite sure what is going on.
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<richardlitt> If I do a go get for IPFS, does my IPFS repo in my gopath update?
<richardlitt> Or do I have to manually go there and git pull?
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<Kubuxu> richardlitt: use go get -u -d github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs
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<richardlitt> Kubuxu: does that update it with the newest commits?
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<richardlitt> dignifiedquire whyrusleeping is the github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs README updated regarding install?
<G-Ray> Guys I still think about running IPFS in an anonymous network like I2P
<richardlitt> I don't understand the difference between the gobuilder binaries, using go-get, or using dist.ipfs.io
<richardlitt> Which also appears to be down atm
<Kubuxu> richardlitt: with -u it should update
<richardlitt> Kubuxu: thanks
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<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: there is some issue with GX on travis https://travis-ci.org/ipfs/go-ipfs/jobs/109191117
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt force-pushed feature/example-name-change from f7c1249 to af148b3: https://git.io/vgStj
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/example-name-change af148b3 Richard Littauer: Normalised Example heading, added dollar sign to examples...
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: i see, looking into it
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<richardlitt> thanks achin
<achin> richardlitt: o/
<richardlitt> woot
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<achin> thanks for keeping up with the weeklys while i've been AWOL
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<richardlitt> achin: nae bother mate
<whyrusleeping> gx issue seems to be osx only
<whyrusleeping> got a repro
<lgierth> when will the readme get an update re: go get? :)
<lgierth> more incoming "bug reports"
<lgierth> s/readme/website/
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: what do you mean?
<whyrusleeping> the readme is up to date
<lgierth> yeah s/readme/website/
<lgierth> that guide ^ is out of date in at least 4 ways
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<lgierth> :) gobuilder/dist, go get, go version, ipfs version
<whyrusleeping> oh
<whyrusleeping> yeah... i'd love to have that fixed
<whyrusleeping> don't know who knows how to do it
<lgierth> i thought that was all talk and agreed about last monday in the apps hangout
<lgierth> anyhow, live to fight another day :)
<whyrusleeping> i thought so too
<whyrusleeping> but someone still needs to actually go change the website
<whyrusleeping> and i have no idea how that code works
<whyrusleeping> its some nodejs javascript templating thing
<lgierth> it's plain markdown ;)
<daviddias> its with nunchunks.js
<lgierth> implementation detail
<lgierth> make build && ipfs add -r build/
<lgierth> that hash goes in the PR as a preview link
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<Proto_type> hi, just to report that http://ipfs.io is down atm :(
<yangwao> nope
<yangwao> You just got A records which is down
<yangwao> try flush your dns cache and try it one more time
* yangwao works for me.
<yangwao> ipfs.io I mean :)
<Proto_type> oh yeah, it's working now , nvm
<Proto_type> thx
<yangwao> you are welcome
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: something might be weird with the gateways
<whyrusleeping> nothing has changed in gx, and the failures i'm seeing on CI (and locally) are looking like the gateway is just dropping the connection randomly
<Proto_type> I discovered zeronet this week and got interested into it but got dissapointed in the use of centralized trackers and site owner possibility to assert authority aganst others users.
<Proto_type> so now ill start to look at IPFS :)
<whyrusleeping> Proto_type: :D
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<Proto_type> I got it running under 10 min witch is good :)
<whyrusleeping> Proto_type: woo!
<whyrusleeping> let us know anything that seems weird, new users experience is always good to have
<maria1> what are you talking about
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<lgierth> whyrusleeping: can you track it down to an ip address?
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: let me see...
<yangwao> mm
<yangwao> does ipfs somehow rely on *time* ?
* lgierth off to dinner
<yangwao> I mean, absolute one
<whyrusleeping> yangwao: what do you mean?
<yangwao> well, if my arm node would work without RTC as well
<yangwao> or I need to be time-aware?
<Kubuxu> IPNS relies for validation
<yangwao> but that is time inside ipfs, or?
<yangwao> also I can still connect usb-gps to fetch proper time.
<yangwao> new board from hardkernel, c2 will be w/o rtc chip ;(
<maria1> q is from this chat
<Proto_type> i have typed http://localhost:5001/webui then got redirected to a long hash and have waiten more then a min on a white page before actualy get content. A loading bar could have reassured me.
<Proto_type> (I got slow internet)
<yangwao> Proto_type: localhost:8080/version, what's the commit?
<yangwao> I think 0.3.10 had problem with that :x (cors?)
<Proto_type> Client Version: go-ipfs/0.3.10 Protocol Version: ipfs/0.1.0
<whyrusleeping> yangwao: i don't think you need a good time server running for ipfs to work
<yangwao> gravity waves ~o~ yay. This could be perfect fit, need to try it as well :)
<yangwao> so, I heard ipfs was there since 1970 :P
* yangwao went to garage start his DeLorean DMC-12.
<whyrusleeping> lol
<maria1> gays
<whyrusleeping> maria1: please take a look at the code of conduct in the chat topic
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<redfish> yangwao: a whole SoC without an integrated RTC component? Which one is that?
<Stskeeps> redfish: it does actually happen that RTC is utter shit on mobile devices..
<redfish> yangwao: even without RTC (e.g. without battery) there should be no problem running NTP and be sync shortly after boot and forever after
<Proto_type> IPFS boot on localhost:5001 but when I click on content it swtich on ocalhost:8080/ipfs/ I find it confusing.
<Proto_type> also 8080 is default port for varnish bypass on a webserver.
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<redfish> Stskeeps: with NTP it shouldn't matter -- it will re-sync periodcally long before skew even from a shitty clock becomes non-negligible, no?
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<Stskeeps> it should be fine with ntp yeah, though, drifting can be really difficult, and data connections are not always on
<Stskeeps> mobile phones often do syncs using the mobile network, which can be wrong, as well
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: just got the first round of distributed sum working
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<daviddias> sweet, I'm working on a reboot of webrtc-explorer too! Almost finished on time to try it out with Karma
<Kubuxu> Proto_type: :5001 is API port, :8080 is read only API port
<Proto_type> k thx
<Kubuxu> It is so you can browse sites on ipfs safely
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<Proto_type> is there any list of sites I can check ?
<Kubuxu> ipfs/awesomeIPFS on github but not much of the list
<redfish> Stskeeps: yeah, what you say on time discrepancies makes sense, it just feels like a lower priority thing
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<Stskeeps> yeah; you can't do proper TLS/SSL with a broken clock in the first place
<Stskeeps> having a somewhat sane clock is needed
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<voxelot> daviddias: i'm working on bufferImporter() now if you're not already on it
<daviddias> sounds good voxelot, I'm not tinkering with that code right now
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: is there a simple webrtc example I could implement to test things between two browsers?
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<daviddias> dignifiedquire: check https://github.com/feross/simple-peer example, it is the WebRTC module I use for all of the things, the example is pretty straight forward and all you have to do is exchange the signalling data, which should be doable by the browser testing framework
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: sweet thanks
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: are you following the promises PR on nodejs?
<daviddias> I read today's blog post with the update
<daviddias> 400 comments
<daviddias> breaks a bunch of debug tooling
<daviddias> hits performance
<daviddias> but the crowd loves it
<daviddias> did I got it right? :P
<Proto_type> does IPFS work trought Tor ?
<brimstone> Proto_type: sure!
<whyrusleeping> Proto_type: yes it can, but if youre wanting to stay anonymous you'll have to take a few precautions
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<Kubuxu> What changes with promises in node?
<Kubuxu> Will they make them actually useful?
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] chriscool created check-gx-program (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vgS04
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/check-gx-program 17d09db Christian Couder: bin: add check-gx-program...
<Proto_type> Im not there yet, but it's a good thing thing to know
<Kubuxu> chriscool: You didn't liked my cutting in makefile :P
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: I don't think anyone really likes it :/ and the tone is getting worse and worse
<dignifiedquire> makes me really uncomfortable to trust in node as a longterm platform tbh
<chriscool> Kubuxu: I think it's better to do hacky stuff in a separate script
<chriscool> I will comment on your PR
<Kubuxu> Yes, you are right, do you have anything against I just pull this commit into that PR?
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: those gx failures are 503's coming back from the gateways
<lgierth> ok that'd be both upstreams responding non-2/3xx
<lgierth> or failing
<whyrusleeping> hrm...
<whyrusleeping> thats pretty strange..
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<chriscool> Kubuxu: no problem for cherry-picking or pulling the commit, thanks!
<lgierth> whyrusleeping: force-pushed gx-go?
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<whyrusleeping> lgierth: yeah, should have reverted the commit, but i was tired and trying to figure out what the issue was
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<lgierth> ok just double checking
<lgierth> sometimes people do it by mistake
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<Kubuxu> rmate .travis.yml
<Kubuxu> oops
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: i appreciate you asking actually, so thanks :)
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<lgierth> can't count the number of times i had to fix master history at my old job haha
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<lgierth> git's defaults don't make it easy to prevent it, unfortunately
<lgierth> e.g. git push == git push --all, by default
<whyrusleeping> yeah, agreed
<whyrusleeping> i *always* do git push origin <branch>
<whyrusleeping> out of habit
<lgierth> yeah me too
<lgierth> but i also have the push target set to current in .gitconfig
<Kubuxu> GH has not branch protection at least
<Kubuxu> So you can't force push into them
<Kubuxu> So this doesn't repeat: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6713742
<lgierth> oh man
<Kubuxu> s/not/now/
<alu> so... I cant compile ipfs on my openwrt box?
<alu> cuz it would be really cool if I could have ipfs on this: https://wiki.hackerspace.pl/projects:zsun-wifi-card-reader
<Kubuxu> I don't think you can fit golang toolchain onto it.
<Kubuxu> Or you might, but your bet bet would be to cross-do it, IDK how it works with go
<Kubuxu> lgierth: ^^
<lgierth> alu: compiling *on* the openwrt box will take days i guess
<lgierth> alu: if you can make the openwrt build environment work with xgo you can do it
<lgierth> alu: gccgo won't do because it's stuck with go 1.4 or so
<lgierth> please let me know if you can make it work
* lgierth very interested it
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<Proto_type> Could I use my router's firewall to block remote acces to specific content (example: movie collection) to have a lan only access?
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<Proto_type> hust is it tecnicaly possible
<Proto_type> s/hust/just, /
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<jesse__> Hey guys, have a few questions about IPFS. How does IPFS differ from gnutella?
<okket> IPFS is much more generic, if gnutella is emacs then IPFS would be TCP/IP ;)
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<jesse__> I'm going to clarify my question: I'm trying to build an ebook platform which is P2P. All the books will have ads which will compensate authors. The authors get to choose their ad networks and they also get to keep 100% of the profits. I fell in love with gnutella back in the day and have been wanting to use it for this project. It's dead pretty much. People have suggested that I use IPFS instead. I know what torrents are. I know what
<jesse__> block-chain is. I like the addressing of files. I just don't understand why it's all necessary.
<jesse__> I feel like I'm missing part of what's actually going on with IPFS.
<okket> "Technical part of the talk starts at 33:00"
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<xenonium> hi
<xenonium> new to IPFS
<xenonium> I just wanted to know about this..
<xenonium> I put a File into the IPFS file system..
<xenonium> and delete that file from my local computer.
<xenonium> Will the file still be accessible? or is it dependent on my local system..
<Kubuxu> If nobody used it, it won't be available.
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<Proto_type> <xenonium> it's like torrents, if nobody have seed it, no copy of it will exist
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<brand0> jesse__, i like to think about ipfs as combining a lot of technologies that exist separately
<jesse__> My problem is: why do those technologies need combining. You can combine salt, ketchup, and ice-cream but it doesn't taste good. What does this solve which isn't solved by the protocols independently? I'm watching the intro vid though.
<xenonium> ok.
<brand0> if you haven't watched that vid, you should, then come back w/ q's here because it answers a lot of your questions
<xenonium> so does it mean that i upload some file to ifs
<xenonium> then someone has to voluntarily choose to seed the file?
<xenonium> or does it gets seeded automatically
<xenonium> when the peers detects the new file uploaded?
<xenonium> i have watched both the videos in the home page.
<okket> data gets only spread if it gets requested, no seeding
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<okket> no automatic seed to be precise, once the data is on another host, others can find it and request it from there
<daviddias> whyrusleeping: I've sent you a heap dump :)
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<alu> alu refuses to talk about himself in 3rd person
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<alu> err wrong channel
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<xenonium> ok thank you