lgierth changed the topic of #ipfs to: go-ipfs v0.4.5-rc1 is up on https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs, check it out! | Week 5+6: 1) IPLD https://git.io/vDkS7 2) CI/CD https://git.io/vDk9v 3) Orbit https://git.io/vDk9U | Roadmap: https://waffle.io/ipfs/roadmaps | IPFS, the InterPlanetary FileSystem: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVB
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: around?
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<whyrusleeping> kevina: on my phone, so limited typing ability. Whatsup?
<whyrusleeping> borked my laptop wifi somehow
<SchrodingersScat> all wifi dies, not all wifi truly lives
<kevina> whyrusleeping: just wanted you to have a look at my utils for filestore0, it can wait as I can't image reviewing from a phone will be very easy
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<whyrusleeping> kevina: i'll take a look at it when i get internet back, thanks for pinging :)
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<lgierth> !pin QmR734LgQsJX8xQebM1Egyast5V1pDhV2Z4LXUVPB4SQqg network size 2016
<pinbot> now pinning on 8 nodes
<pinbot> pinned on 8 of 8 nodes (0 failures) -- https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmR734LgQsJX8xQebM1Egyast5V1pDhV2Z4LXUVPB4SQqg
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<dryajov1> diasdavid: dignifiedquire: I've got most things ready and PRed for the full webworker support... floodsub node tests are failing, but it looks like they timed out that one time
<dryajov1> daviddias: dignifiedquire: they do pass when I run them
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<dryajov1> daviddias: dignifiedquire: in fact, I think those are pretty much all the changes required for the full webworker support... I've got js-ipfs webworker tests passing locally with those changes applied
<zignig> lgierth: did you see https://github.com/ipfs/website/pull/161
<zignig> ?
<lgierth> zignig: sorry just didn't have the bandwidth
<lgierth> let me assign it to myself so i don't forget
<lgierth> (i regularly go through my assigned issues)
* zignig hands lgierth a eleventy bajillion GB/s upgrade.
<lgierth> :( i got 900 KBps at home :(
<lgierth> in a so-called developed nation
<zignig> lgierth: for sure , there is still some more bits that need to be updated , but that merge will get the start of aci discovery going.
<zignig> do you live in australia too ?
<zignig> :P
<lgierth> no right next to it, germany
<lgierth> the thing with the mountains is called australia right?
<zignig> yeah that's the one <NOOOOOOOOOOOOT>
<zignig> ;)
<lgierth> living in the 2nd floor so i have ~no line of sight to anyone but i'm trying to talk the 5th floor neighbours into mounting an antenna to get fast-ish community wifi
<zignig> get access to the internal riser in the building and run power over ethernet to the roof.
<lgierth> the community network will be faster and have significantly lower latency than ADSL here
<lgierth> yeeeah not with this $#$@# of a landlord
<zignig> don't tell them... ;)
<lgierth> the house where i lived before was awesome for this kind of stuff
<lgierth> here the neighbour's window has to do :)
<lgierth> the building is from 1901 too
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<lgierth> ok, bed time
<lgierth> good night :)
<zignig> gnite. ;)
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<whyrusleeping> Last two years of my life, TLDR; "Why are these hashes different?"
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<zignig> whyrusleeping: hehe
<zignig> i've been messing around with the pubsub stuff throught the http interface.
<zignig> it hands back weird coding ( i assum b58 )
<zignig> hello comes back as -> {"from":"EiCoai/yob1ArN1vzHZ96YKzAgnFV7f8gqn90WiAhYE+Qw==","data":"aGVsbG8K","seqno":"FKFAXZ0WxSo=","topicIDs":["chat"]}
<zignig> do you know whats up with the data being all munged ?
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<damongant> ha, I didn't realize kyledrake is in here, good service you're running there, I f'n love it, emailed you about paypal stuff in germany, finally got a not-so-cheap VCC instead
<damongant> also no idea who in here recommended I try go, but I love that too, might see if I can contribute soonish
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<MikeFair> Hey all! o/ :)
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<MikeFair> Are there any docs about publishing metadata attached to a file or directory?
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<MikeFair> I'd though about hacking together a .resources fork directory which would have extra info on each file in a driectory... One the one hand it seemed very cross platform compatible; and on the other downright kludgey
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victorbjelkholm changed the topic of #ipfs to: go-ipfs v0.4.5-rc2 is up on https://dist.ipfs.io/go-ipfs, check it out! | Week 5+6: 1) IPLD https://git.io/vDkS7 2) CI/CD https://git.io/vDk9v 3) Orbit https://git.io/vDk9U | Roadmap: https://waffle.io/ipfs/roadmaps | IPFS, the InterPlanetary FileSystem: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | FAQ: https://git.io/voEh8 | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVB
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<dignifiedquire> !pin
<pinbot> usage: !pin <hash> <label>
<dignifiedquire> !pin QmPhnvn747LqwPYMJmQVorMaGbMSgA7mRRoyyZYz3DoZRQ webui-0-4-5
<pinbot> now pinning on 8 nodes
<pinbot> pinned on 8 of 8 nodes (0 failures) -- https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmPhnvn747LqwPYMJmQVorMaGbMSgA7mRRoyyZYz3DoZRQ
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<seharder> dignifiedquire: Do you have time for a question?
<dignifiedquire> seharder: give me all the questions
<seharder> I am currently stuck getting js-ipfs to run correctly on my Mac.
<seharder> When it tries to init the repo I get: self._repo.exists is not a function
<seharder> The code will return the js-ipfs version correctly.
<dignifiedquire> sorry, the current npm version is broken
<dignifiedquire> because of a dependency change mess up
<dignifiedquire> it should work on master though
<seharder> OK, I will clone master and use that.
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<Guest147733[m]> yes me too
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<dyce[m]> will google index all folders added to ipfs? or only if it scrapes a link?
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<lgierth> it'll scrape things it can discover via links
<SchrodingersScat> tried with yacy, and it seemed to only want to do one directory for me :/
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<dyce[m]> i see
<dyce[m]> also how will private networks work? essentially its just encrypted files?
<dyce[m]> but still accessible by anyone?
<dyce[m]> like the ipfs gateway
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<lgierth> no it's about the network, not the files
<lgierth> private networks have a common shared passphrase, so only nodes with this passphrase can connect to each other
<lgierth> they form completely separate (private) networks
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<M-anomie> A passphrase? Shouldn't asymmetric crypto be used?
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<lgierth> the encryption is assymetric
<lgierth> the setup starts with a preshared key
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<M-anomie> I thought you used a pre shared key for symmetric, and public key exchange for asymmetric?
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<lgierth> in this case you use a preshared key to encrypt public key exchange
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<lgierth> to keep everyone out who doens't have the preshared key
<lgierth> (it's really a passphrase)
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<M-anomie> Ah, okay.
<M-anomie> Are there other ways to verify other users?
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<Lostfile> i wonder if i can get name coin working for ipfs
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<Lostfile> i know theres alot of people that want to use tor with it but
<Lostfile> i dont think thats a good idea
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<Kubuxu> lgierth: how is it going?
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<Lostfile> hey dose any one here know of any good sites on ipfs
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<Lostfile> i also tried updating ipfs and it keeps failing
<victorbjelkholm> QmaYRrBpZQRjonxBpBBSLvYmy893ySPpXpHCakhomaQtkU is pretty sweet
<Lostfile> i shall take a peeksy at dat
<Lostfile> is that a ipns link or a ipfs
<victorbjelkholm> it's a ipfs hash
<victorbjelkholm> ipfs.io/ipfs/QmaYRrBpZQRjonxBpBBSLvYmy893ySPpXpHCakhomaQtkU
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<Lostfile> oh lol i see what you did there
<victorbjelkholm> :D
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<Lostfile> well what do you think of it
<Lostfile> im still kinda working on it
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<flyingzumwalt> Lostfile well done. it's a good start.
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<ShalokShalom> hi there
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<ShalokShalom> is ipfs suited to be the repo of a distro?
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<M-anomie> So is ipfs.js functional in the browser?
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<victorbjelkholm> M-anomie: check out https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs
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<daviddias[m]> anomie: yeah, you can do a lot of things
<daviddias[m]> * today with js-ipfs
<daviddias[m]> try out the master version, 0.22 should be coming early next week :)
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<ani> So hsanjuan what can I do to help with ipfs-cluster?
<ani> I've made a few comments on some issues.
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<jbenet> ani: maybe ask on github, because hsanjuan is in CEST and may not be around atm
<hsanjuan> I am
<hsanjuan> Just reading :)
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<ani> hsanjuan: I think I found a way to bootstrap nodes without the split issues.
<ani> Apparently, Consul had the same issue. What they did is pretty simple. https://www.consul.io/docs/guides/bootstrapping.html
<ani> Just tell them how many to expect and then wait to hold elections until they are connected to that many peers.
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<hsanjuan> ani: interesting, they are using the raft v2 branch (which afaik is not officially stable)
<hsanjuan> this branch has deprecated the "addPeer" methods and has new stuff for membership
<ani> That's interesting. What makes it unstable?
<hsanjuan> its not master
<hsanjuan> few issues tagged as v2 opened
<M-anomie> So why do we need a gateway if we have js-ipfs?
<ani> M-anomie: for all of the other languages + normal browsers?
<wak-work> :p
<wak-work> i make heavy use of the gateway in distributing source tarballs for things
<ani> + browsers without JS etc.
<ani> hsanjuan: It looks like ipfs-cluster has its own implementation of raft, is this so or is that a copy of some other library?
<wak-work> ani: just a wrapper it looks like
<wak-work> hashiraft "github.com/hashicorp/raft"
<hsanjuan> ani: no, it uses hashicorp/raft with a custom network transport
<ani> Oh I see.
<ani> Is there a big difference between hashicorp/raft and os/etcd/raft?
<hsanjuan> ani: what you can do to help is to try it, figure out where it bites you and where it works well and report back
<wak-work> i may need to start using this
<ani> hsanjuan: I've already figured out where it bites me. Bootstrap, replication, and heterogeneous nodes.
<ani> It's benefits include content addressing, which is a MAJOR plus.
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<hsanjuan> ani: hashicorpt/raft had better defined interfaces and swappability for plugging in a custom transport. etcd has an interface but no way to plug a custom transport without patching the source (i think, when I looked at it).
<hsanjuan> ani: have you installed it?
<ani> I have.
<wak-work> etcd is less stable anyway lol
<ani> Took a while to get GX working but the main things I found were the three things I described.
<hsanjuan> ani: what was the problem with gx?
<hsanjuan> bootstrap should work now
<ani> I can't remember, me doing something dumb I'm sure.
<ani> I haven't tested it in a while, but those two issues are keeping me from using it in a project I'm working on.
<ani> I really don't want to have to recreate IPFS because it's exactly what I need, but I do need the clusters working.
<ani> hsanjuan: thoughts about my idea for replication?
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<hsanjuan> ani: I like it, but probably won't do the "break it down to individual blocks" part in this iteration
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<ani> hsanjuan: Why not? Maximize redundancy and replication + allow fine grained peer decisions based on storage.
<ani> If a peer has 10MB available and a 2GB file is added, it can still take a few blocks.
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<ani> Plus, it allows for peers to prioritise parts of the file that are less covered.
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<ani> For the record, hsanjuan dropbox uses a block / hash system to power their storage.
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<hsanjuan> ani: because it is more complex, time is limited and I understand that how blocks and links are represented inside ipfs is currently in flux with ipld
<ani> I see rabin hashing + ipfs-cluster as a good essential backing for a competing service.
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<ani> hsanjuan: what's the flux about? Any issues pertaining to it?
<hsanjuan> by "in flux" i mean evolving.. everything around IPLD and IPLD-dags
<hsanjuan> im going to sleep now
<Lostfile> flyingzumwalt: thanks if your still here
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<Lostfile> sorry guys i was out for a bit
<Lostfile> so what did i miss
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<ianopolous> jbenet: nice talk! very enjoyable.
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<M-anomie> Will js-ipfs allow for ipfs on Android and iOS?
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