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<whyrusleeping>
not youre
<whyrusleeping>
*s
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<Reventlov>
Hi. "Meta" question: why it is important/interesting to have a git-like dag on files implemented at the protocol/stack level (so, ipfs level) and not on top?
<Reventlov>
In the whitepaper, this is not really addresses in details: it is just said it "provide facilities to model files changing over time and distribute different versions efficiently"
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<M|tar>
how can I get a hash/IPFS address from the JS object representing IPFS JSON object (the one with Data and Links)
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<pinkieval>
Reventlov: less overhead?
<pinkieval>
like, not hashing git hashes
<Reventlov>
anything else? This seems pretty lightweight
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<MikeFair>
Reventlov: I like the fact that it's more a simple side effect/extension of content based addressing
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<MikeFair>
Reventlov: Git is also content based addressing and widely adopted ; so I'm thinking if they can't bring the git structure to ipfs (because it's mssing some info) then take the ipfs structure to git
<MikeFair>
(and extend it)
<MikeFair>
Reventlov: Unless you're asking why does file revision history tracking matter at all?
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<Reventlov>
MikeFair: that's what I'm asking: why do you need that at the "protocol" level, especially
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<MikeFair>
Reventlov: in short, it's good
<MikeFair>
Reventlov: It gives you "undo" operations ; it also is just a natural side effect of content based addressing
<MikeFair>
Reventlov: I guess I'm note sure what you're distinguishing as the "Protocol Level" ; it's part of the structure descriptors
<MikeFair>
Reventlov: A DAG entry for the files is a linked hierarchy of its content blocks
<MikeFair>
s/is/describes
<MikeFair>
Each block has a permenant address; if you change a file; you change the address (which is effectively its "name" in the system); the old name doesn't go away; you've just creted/added a new one.
<MikeFair>
Reventlov: So you're automatically going to be creating/keeping addresses for every version of every file ever uploaded anyway; so why not have a structure that can capture and describe the relationships
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<Mitar_>
is there a JS function which can compute a hash/IPFS address from the JS object representing IPFS JSON object (the one with Data and Links)
<MikeFair>
Mitar_: I have only recently started using the JSON API; (and ipfs in general so what calls are available I can't really say); so far the only way I've found to get an address is to add it -- what's the situation?
<Mitar_>
I am using JS API and am making a client to it, but for some debugging it would be great to be able to get an address/hash
<MikeFair>
Mitar_: you've obviously got an object that had to come from somewhere; unless you're custom constructing it in code
<Mitar_>
I am also mostly curious how it is made
<Mitar_>
I am constructing it
<MikeFair>
I can't say, but I'd look into how the add functions do it; they return it; so either they computed it; or the web api gave it to them
<MikeFair>
Mitar_: how it's made is documented
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<JustinDrake>
Does the ipfs.io gateway allow to browse through individual blocks as binary blobs of data?
<MikeFair>
JustinDrake: It should; if not through the /ipfs/ path then through the /api/v0/ paths
<MikeFair>
JustinDrake: I'd expect /api/v0/object/ paths to be most likely what you're interested in
<JustinDrake>
Thanks :)
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<donpepe09>
hi. i read that ipfs provides dedup. if i have an object in my ipfs that has the content aaaabbbb and i now fetch some object using its hash and this object has the content bbbbdddd will ipfs also dedup 'bbbb' on the network level (i.e. not redownload the block 'bbbb')?
<r0kk3rz>
yep, everything is split up into blocks, and if you've got that block then you've got that block
<donpepe09>
how does ipfs discover which blocks belong to a certain hash? are other nodes advertising it in the dht?
<r0kk3rz>
because the hash points to the HEAD of a DAG
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<donpepe09>
r0kk3rz: thank you
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<Reventlov>
Can i link to a peer id?
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<dryajov>
lgierth: dignifiedquire: haad: I've set up an initial repo for the js-libp2p-circuit here - https://github.com/dryajov/js-libp2p-circuit, its under my name but can/should be moved to libp2p
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<dryajov>
lgierth: whats the best place to ask questions about circuit/relay, besides here obviously :), which github repo, if we move this repo to libp2p I can document research/progress there...
<dignifiedquire>
(that's easier than moving repos if there no issues yet)
<dryajov>
yep
<dryajov>
will do
<dignifiedquire>
thank you
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<dignifiedquire>
dryajov: also gave you write access
<dryajov>
thanks
<dignifiedquire>
dryajov: also, sorry about the lack of responses on aegir and related things, a bit swamped currently
<dryajov>
no worries :)
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<lgierth>
dryajov: awesome
<lgierth>
that repo is the place then :)
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<dryajov>
Lgierth: got it
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<zippy314_>
Hey folks. Question about 'make deps' in libp2p. When I look at the current code in: examples/echo/main.go it shows a list of imports, which then gets re-written right after you do make deps. This is a little confusing to me. Is there any place that documents the why/how of this process?
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<lgierth>
zippy314_: that's gx -- github.com/whyrusleeping/gx and gx-go
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<lgierth>
libraries are unrewritten by default so they can be used with standard `go get` too, but when they get pulled into an executable they get locked down to a specific hash
<whyrusleeping>
zippy314_: Its how we make sure that the code we build is always exactly what we expect
<lgierth>
prevents random breakage when a dependency somewhere down the tree makes a silly change
<whyrusleeping>
^
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<lgierth>
(it turns out that happens quite a lot)
<whyrusleeping>
OH MY GOD. MY LIFE IS A LIE
<Kubuxu>
yup, otherwise you would have to do all the changes perfectly in sync
<whyrusleeping>
you can use characters other than '/' for sed
<Stskeeps>
whyrusleeping: it's about as magic as when you discover ctrl-r in bash
<Kubuxu>
as it turns out default go version system is suitable for monorepos not modular repos
<whyrusleeping>
echo "foo bar baz" | sed 's#bar#/a/path/that/has/slashes#g'
<Kubuxu>
whyrusleeping: have a piece of cake
<Kubuxu>
I usually use `,` or `|`
<Kubuxu>
they are narrow and clean
<whyrusleeping>
Stskeeps: i love ctrl-r, though fish shell's ghost complete has made it rather outmoded lately
<dignifiedquire>
now you actually know how many there are
<Kubuxu>
wait till I tell you that ctrl-r is default behavior of arrows in zsh
<zippy314_>
ok, so I just went to fix the fact that in the current HEAD of the echo example there are two imports of libp2p-peerstore but that's kind of obsoleted by gx...
<Kubuxu>
start typing command, and press arrow up
<Kubuxu>
and there are plugins that ghost that text when you type
<lgierth>
zippy314_: make deps && go build work fine here, what's the problem?
<zippy314_>
Not a problem, I was just trying to add a little cleanup to the code in that there are two uses of peerstore, one as pstore and one as peerstore, so I thought I would do a little cleanup pull-request, but in the mean-time gx re-wrote the imports, and so I got confused and came here!
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<lgierth>
aah got it. just make your change and gx-go rewrite --undo before committing :)
<zippy314_>
But you only see that in what's committed to the repo, before the re-write. So as a matter of coding practice, do you all just ignore those changes before you ...
<zippy314_>
ahh I see.
<zippy314_>
ok, so just as a test, and a micro contribution, I created a pull request with that change...
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<lgierth>
awesome, thanks
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<lgierth>
i'll merge when i get home, waiting for CI and gotta run
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<Mitar>
is there a JS function which can compute a hash/IPFS address from the JS object representing IPFS JSON object (the one with Data and Links)
<Rob>
hi, is there anyway to change the listen IP of the webui? i've searched the code to see where it gets localhost from but can't find it. Thanks
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<whyrusleeping>
Rob: its the 'API' setting in the config
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<hen_>
Hey guys! I was wondering if i could get some help with ipfs-api-js
<hen_>
I know i can add files to IPFS via ipfs.files.add()
<hen_>
but how would i remove files from the users local ipfs node to prevent it from getting bloated?
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<lgierth>
hen_: run garbage collection -- on the cli it's `ipfs repo gc`, i'm not sure what the ipfs-api function for that would be. maybe ipfs.repo.gc()?
<lgierth>
or ipfs.block.rm()
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<zippy314_>
Is there a particular reason why in libp2p-crypto there's code to Unmarshal Ed25519 Private keys, but not to Marshal them? The only marshalling code seems to be for RSA private keys...
<AphelionZ>
whyrusleeping: daviddias :: for the js version of the ipfs daemon... what consequence does my selection of a repo path have? i.e. where is that stored? what does it do, exactly?
<AphelionZ>
where are the files stored, etc... HOW DOES IT WORK AHHHH
<AphelionZ>
so many questions
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<zippy314_>
Oh, I think I see, you use Bytes() to do the marshalling. It's just odd that you can use UnMarshall, too but only for RSA...
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<AphelionZ>
Is it expected that I won't be able to connect to any peers while I'm using the JS daemon?
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<whyrusleeping>
zippy314_: yeah, its a little weird that
<kyledrake>
There's one guy in the back that's realllly not cool with dumping the UDP model
<whyrusleeping>
lol
<whyrusleeping>
its going to make running a dns server much more expensive
<whyrusleeping>
which really means dns resolutions will get slower
<kyledrake>
You'll need TCP sessions for TLS. Definitely going to be slower
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<kyledrake>
I guess CA would then be involved too. Blegh.
<lgierth>
double tls if you also want dnssec :):)
<lgierth>
i'll call a bingo when they've reached 5
<kyledrake>
I'm not sure if this would replace dnssec?
<lgierth>
no no not replace
<kyledrake>
response integrity vs privacy..
<kyledrake>
that's the difference
<lgierth>
yeah
<lgierth>
i'm just wondering how many more core infrastructures protocols we're supposed to patch over with tls
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<kyledrake>
God help us
<lgierth>
hrm lag here is horrible
<kyledrake>
Two words: China CA
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<lgierth>
oh yeah the CA system itself is another great story. i just mean that we can't throw more complexity at the problem for long, we need protocols designed with cryptograpghy at their heart
<lgierth>
ok let's see if i can find a half-decent internet connection somewhere
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<kyledrake>
Agreed.
<kyledrake>
Now they're talking about NSEC5 which is a trillion miles over my head
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<apiarian>
is might be interesting https://upspin.io/ (currently plodding along on something that covers part of this kind of functionality in IPFSland)
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<MikeFair>
alu: fwiw I'm working towards integrating Unity with ipfs
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<MikeFair>
I'm seeing what it takes to make assets, asset packs, and C# DLLs directly distributable and loaded via ipfs
<MikeFair>
It would make for a really interesting long lived p2p "Game World" ; I'm adding the code signing layer ; so to the point earlier about security/encryption/iaaa "built in" I'm all for it :)
<MikeFair>
Though I don't see it getting really usable til we can have distributed ipfs-bot agents running on the network
<alu>
interesting. ive been doing experiments with janusvr and webvr that I document on my hackaday. janusvr is a 3D web browser that reads markup so the vr/ar 'app' is just a simple text file.
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<alu>
gotten to the point where I'm making a 3D blog describing how to fix the internet https://u.teknik.io/hV4C9.png
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<kyledrake>
alu awesome!
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<alu>
yeah also janus has built this inventory system where while you surfin the immersive web you can grab assets to your inventory (it scrapes it to IPFS) so we can just bring our collections / bookmarks / sites with us. https://u.teknik.io/V4kbq.png
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<SchrodingersScat>
is that secondlife with ipfs?
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<MikeFair>
SchrodingersScat: My experience with Janus was more "community chat" room ; but obviously alu has done way more with it
<SchrodingersScat>
yeah, i see the sexbot in the corner
<zippy314_>
whyrusleeping: I'm about to push a fix to the MarshalPrivateKey issue, but I just want to check: is there any reason why Marshalling the RsaPrivateKey should also simply be implemented by a call to Bytes()?
<zippy314_>
whyrusleeping: I'm about to push a fix to the MarshalPrivateKey issue, but I just want to check: is there any reason why Marshalling the RsaPrivateKey shouldn't also simply be implemented by a call to Bytes()?
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<MikeFair>
alu: That first pic looks great!
<AphelionZ>
ahh it stores the ipfs stuff in indexedDB... great
<AphelionZ>
it being the javascript implementation