aschmahmann changed the topic of #ipfs to: Heads Up: To talk, you need to register your nick! Announcements: go-ipfs 0.7.0 and js-ipfs 0.50.2 are out! Get them from dist.ipfs.io and npm respectively! | Also: #libp2p #ipfs-cluster #filecoin #ipfs-dev | IPFS: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | Logs: https://view.matrix.org/room/!yhqiEdqNjyPbxtUjzm:matrix.org/ | Forums: https://discuss.ipfs.io | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0
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<deltab>
a20209[m]: have a look at Orbit and Matrix for chat based on immutable DAGs, or libp2p if you just wants the stream connections ipfs uses
<izdihar[m]>
btw, do you know any method on limitting the connection speed of ipfs-desktop? I'm using linux right now.
<izdihar[m]>
and also, when I use IPFS-desktop, i can see every single peers that's connected/can connect to me right? What information can they get from me and if I provide/request a single file, what can they know about me?
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<izdihar[m]>
lastly, can I see the identity of people that serve a file?
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<deltab>
they can find out your node id, ip address and port number; from the ip address they can find out your isp and approximate location (typically city)
<deltab>
from your file traffic they can find out you have an interest in that file
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<izdihar[m]>
>they can find out your node id, ip address and port number
<izdihar[m]>
is there an already made tool that shows this stats? so basically it's not anonymous at all? deltab
<izdihar[m]>
* > they can find out your node id, ip address and port number
<izdihar[m]>
is there an already made tool that shows this stats? so basically it's not anonymous at all? deltab
<izdihar[m]>
* > they can find out your node id, ip address and port number
<izdihar[m]>
is there an already made tool that shows this stats? so basically it's not anonymous at all? deltab
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<a20209[m]>
Hey,I have created a chat group on matrix to discuss the project of secure messenger like signal. If someone want to contribute on the project,then he may join the project.
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<a20209[m]>
Join here
<a20209[m]>
#secimpro20209:matrix.org
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<izdihar[m]>
hey deltab, the way you can see what other's peer IP address is using `ipfs swarm addrs` and that's it. What the fuck it's that easy. I mean, this is not that unsecure but I still can't get my head around how can other people know what files that I have in my cache or pinned?
<swedneck1>
izdihar: you can see the addresses of a node with `ipfs dht findpeer <ID>`
<swedneck1>
it's fairly misleading to say that IPFS isn't anonymous, it's not like you can just get the name and house address of the person running a node
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<izdihar[m]>
Swedneck: if I pinned a folder/file can other people know that I pinned (IP address for example) it? if so, how can i check it through `ipfs` command?
<swedneck1>
you can see anyone that is serving a piece of content with `ipfs dht findprovs <CID>`
<swedneck1>
i don't think there's a command to show all the things a node is providing, and i'm unsure whether the protocol supports such an action
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<swedneck1>
iirc you can only ask a node "hey do you have X, Y, and Z?"
<izdihar[m]>
<swedneck1 "iirc you can only ask a node "he"> thank you for that
<izdihar[m]>
I'm just wondering what happened if a node pinned an illegal document about what a government does for example, like the situation of snowden and wikileaks (very exagerated situation i recognize), would the "pinners" be prosecuted for assisting him?
<izdihar[m]>
man I hate legal battles but I want to put a lot of faith in IPFS, especially knowing some guy is trying to put TOR protocol on top of it.
<swedneck1>
i think it'd be possible to prosecute pinners in the same way it's possible to prosecute people who seed torrents, but then again that's probably something that shouldn't be legal to do in the first place..
<izdihar[m]>
<swedneck1 "i think it'd be possible to pros"> true, but that stance can be a lot more solid if IPFS has someway of obfuscating/encrypting the nodes. Then it would truly be a decentralized anonymous file sharing. God imagine.
<izdihar[m]>
<jessicara "ipfs on it's own"> ah yes, i got that. and tbh thats my only gripe with ipfs. everything else seems perfect.
<swedneck1>
as said in the issue, it's a lot of work and there's so much stuff that needs improvement first
<izdihar[m]>
<swedneck1 "as said in the issue, it's a lot"> yes ofc, im not trying to rush anything btw, sorry if it seems like that
<jessicara>
findprovs in my case seems to only show one machine with it pinned, not the origin somehow
<jessicara>
must be finding it some way or other otherwise wouldn't have received a copy in the first place
<swedneck1>
keep in mind that was `ipfs dht findprovs` does is just ask every node if they know any nodes with the content, so it might miss nodes and i guess some node could mistakenly report that it has the content
<aschmahmann>
> does is just ask every node if they know any nodes with the content
<aschmahmann>
more precisely it asks the DHT if anyone has advertised if they have content. If a node doesn't advertise for some reason then it won't show up there, but if you ask them directly for it they'll give it to you
<jessicara>
haven't looked real far in to ipfs's implementation, but generally with dht when you are narrowing in towards who should be providing a key it doesn't forward anything it just tells the requester where it's more likely to find it
<aschmahmann>
> by "the DHT" do you mean that the request gets forwarded forever?
<aschmahmann>
Nope. In the public DHT there are a small number of nodes that are "responsible" for storing the record "X has the CID Y". There's an algorithm that tells you how to efficiently find those responsible peers given that you don't know everyone in the network.
<jessicara>
more specifically kademlia-style i guess
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<aschmahmann>
That's not the same thing. You connecting to them != them being able to connect to you
<izdihar[m]>
<aschmahmann "e.g. if your peerID is QmdFveLyd"> damn you actually searched me XD
<aschmahmann>
izdihar: well, while it's an option might as well use it for some debugging right 😃
<izdihar[m]>
<aschmahmann "That's not the same thing. You c"> i mean it works, but it's slow as hell... maybe it's my internet? How do i even know that a gateway is able to reach me or not?
<izdihar[m]>
does pinning service also work like this?
<aschmahmann>
Well pinning services already have the data so they don't need to find + get it from you. Does slow as heck mean 2s, 10s, 30s, a minute, what are we talking about here?
<izdihar[m]>
a minute for something that isn't cached yet
<izdihar[m]>
I guess either I need to get a better internet with no UFP or use a pinning service... damnit.
<aschmahmann>
UFP?
<jessicara>
yeah for that file it seems the dht thinks it's provided by only QmdFveLydwDai4AWCUq7xmsLkzs5PfmX7gzqZ5U9i1SZcQ, but it's also undialable
<izdihar[m]>
i missed typed, its FUP (fair usage policy). Basically, after a certain amount of upload and download, your internet will slow down to a crawl. Why? because greediness.
<jessicara>
yeah that's some nonsense, fair queueing has been around for a long time...
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<izdihar[m]>
<jessicara "yeah that's some nonsense, fair "> i'm so mad at my internet provider. Everyone, if you live in Indonesia, don't you EVER use Indiehome. Don't use anything made by telkom, don't use them. Poke em with a kilometer length of stick if needed.
<aschmahmann>
Ah, so that could become an issue. But I'd first just deal with making your node reachable and see how that helps
<jessicara>
here in scotland have been throttled by bt several times before
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<izdihar[m]>
<jessicara "here in scotland have been throt"> throttled as in you get better speed?
<jessicara>
throttled as in get worse speed
<jessicara>
was a time a 8mbps connection was reduced to 128k
<izdihar[m]>
god damn
<izdihar[m]>
128k is basically deep in a forest kinds of connection, i thought european internet is better
<jessicara>
have suspicions it was purely to make competitors look bad the reason it was so severe
<jessicara>
because bt owns the lines and makes throttling decisions even if are with another isp
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<jessicara>
things have changed since then though, 60mbps down and 20mbps up
<izdihar[m]>
<jessicara "things have changed since then t"> i want to change to biznet so bad, they got unlimited bandwith
<izdihar[m]>
I guess that's one of the prerequisite to becoming a good node
<izdihar[m]>
to have an unlimited bandwidth
<jessicara>
similar thing with seeding torrents
<lordcirth>
Anyone interested in setting up a mutual ipfs-cluster?
<jessicara>
is like if the only seed has an intermittent connection, it's going to take a while grabbing a piece when possible
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<izdihar[m]>
lordcirth: like supersecretclub torrent or something?
<izdihar[m]>
jessicara: the only drawback of peer to peer is that not everyone have good connection XD
<lordcirth>
izdihar[m], no piracy, just hosting stuff we want to keep online
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<izdihar[m]>
lordcirth: good luck with that, cuz i cant do anything with this connection
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<jessicara>
wonder if could crawl the ipfs dht
<jessicara>
start indexing and making things searchable
<jessicara>
worked surprisingly well with bittorrent
<jessicara>
that actually works now? been there before and only got empty results for everything
<jessicara>
well, guess that's already done lol
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<izdihar[m]>
i dont really know if the approach is similar with what you have in mind, but i guess it has the same outcome
<jessicara>
seems close enough if not the same
<izdihar[m]>
also, someone talked about ipfs in /g/ and they seemed to be indifferent with it because of zeronet and bittorrent v2 is better (they said)
<zhoreeq[m]>
<izdihar[m] "It's still exciting tbh but I ag"> I was ironic. The IT crowd is always after new and shiny things, quickly get bored of the technology that just works
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<zhoreeq[m]>
> <@tengkuizdihar:matrix.org> It's still exciting tbh but I agree that there should be a rust implementation of ipfs
<zhoreeq[m]>
* It was ironic. The IT crowd is always after new and shiny things, quickly get bored of the technology that just works
<lordcirth>
I wouldn't say that IPFS "just works" completely just yet
<lordcirth>
It works, but it's too slow a lot of the time
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<zhoreeq[m]>
<lordcirth "I wouldn't say that IPFS "just w"> Even when it'll work perfectly, anons on /g/ would say Zeronet/XYZ is better just because IPFS is old
<lordcirth>
Sure, then it will be time to rewrite in Rust :P
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<marcocastignoli_>
hello everyone :)
<marcocastignoli_>
I know that ipns in the browser right now it's not working, is there already a planned date for ipns working in the browser?
<swedneck1>
i'm not aware of any issues with IPNS, perhaps you've ran into a bug?
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<marcocastignoli_>
i always get "An Error occured! Error: record requested for Qm... was not found in the network"
<marcocastignoli_>
I see also an issue "2921" where people are discussing the same problem
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<lordcirth>
marcocastignoliD, when you say "In the browser", do you mean js-ipfs, or go-ipfs with IPFS companion, or a public gateway?
<lordcirth>
2921 matches in js-ipfs, I see
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