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<keksnek[m]>
Test
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<JCaesar>
swedneck: Isn't the entire point of medium.com to centralize content?
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<gois>
Is the Matrix a sort of parallel project to the IPFS?
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<swedneck>
No
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<swedneck>
They're very much separate projects
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<gois>
Thanks @swedneck.
<gois>
Btw, that issue we were discussing before. I think is just that if some peers are not servers the network becomes decentralized, but if they all are servers too it becomes distributed.
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<swedneck>
Again, decentralized just means not centralized, distributed is a specific network topology
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<RoseBus>
if IPFS is decentralized, is it regulated?
<lordcirth>
RoseBus, not inherently regulated. But anything can be regulated by someone who controls the network and/or guns.
<lordcirth>
Using IPFS *over* Tor is a goal for the future. Torifying p2p apps safely is not trivial, however.
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<swedneck>
you can't control the entire network, but people who run public gateways can of course censor and modify data however they wish
<lordcirth>
RoseBus, if you are looking for anonymized file sharing, Freenet does that - but IMHO it's unusable. I think getting IPFS fast and popular, then torifying it, is the better path.
<RoseBus>
i'm not looking for anything in particular, I just found this channel by sorting freenodes channels but # of users
<RoseBus>
and this sounds really cool and I just installed it and I'm reading the docs
<lordcirth>
lol
<lordcirth>
Well, welcome!
<RoseBus>
ty
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<RoseBus>
wow this is really exciting stuff
<lordcirth>
RoseBus, yup, it is! Still lots of work to be done to get it to run fast and reliably in all sorts of edge cases, but it's pretty awesome already.
<RoseBus>
can applications run over IPFS? Like a gaming server where multiple clients connect and interact with the environment?
<RoseBus>
or is it just for static files?
<RoseBus>
sorry there's a lot to read and i'm still on anatomy of a CID
<lordcirth>
RoseBus, so basically you can make a block of data and add it to IPFS, where it gets a CID. And then others can pull that CID. To push the CID to others so they know about it, you can use pub/sub.
<lordcirth>
So in principle you can make a pub/sub channel and stream arbitrary data to anyone subbed.
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<lordcirth>
I wouldn't use it for real-time stuff due to latency, but you could totally run turn-based games over it.
<RoseBus>
is there a significant amount of overhead from all the hashing?
<lordcirth>
A CPU can hash faster than you can upload the data over gigabit
<RoseBus>
well maybe in the future with quantum cpus and stuff the hashing wont be much of an issue
<swedneck>
ipfs itself doesn't do communication, you'd use libp2p for that
<RoseBus>
oh
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<swedneck>
(go-ipfs just happens to include commands for using libp2p, because ipfs itself is built on libp2p)
<lordcirth>
Yeah, it would probably be better to use libp2p directly, that's true
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<RoseBus>
ahh nice yea I'm new to libp2p as well, but I like #ipfs i think i'll start here then work backwards
<RoseBus>
i want to build my own ipfs website
<swedneck>
that trivial
<swedneck>
you just make a normal static website
<swedneck>
that's*
<RoseBus>
i gotta start somewhere ;)
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<swedneck>
of course, just wanted to make sure there aren't any misconceptions :P
<swedneck>
some people think you need some special stuff to make a website on ipfs
<RoseBus>
well if i have a website running with django, it generates http responses dynamically
<RoseBus>
the static files don't live on the server
<RoseBus>
that wouldn't work with ipfs would it?
<swedneck>
nope
<swedneck>
you'd either just write your html/js/css directly or use a static site generator
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<RoseBus>
where can i find a publicly hosted ipfs site/page
<RoseBus>
just to play with the CLI
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<lordcirth>
I used Hugo to make a site, it worked well. Just one option to set to make the generated links relative.
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<lordcirth>
RoseBus, ipfs.io is actually mirrored as /ipns/ipfs.io/ , which resolves to /ipfs/bafybeick7tuhk6x26tzddy4jhyemxu43fiukciyp77jee3ogp6px2wt27i at the moment
<lordcirth>
IPNS resolution is one of the things that needs performance improvements
<swedneck>
awesome.ipfs.io is also a good resource for finding things on ipfs
<RoseBus>
should i be running ipfs within a container for security purposes?
<RoseBus>
i just read the security warning
<swedneck>
what are you worried about happening?
<RoseBus>
idk what's happening under the hood completely but if i'm interacting with other peers with some alpha software there might be potentially unknown vulnerabilities for remote-execution etc
<swedneck>
certainly not impossible, i don't think i can say anything other than "do it if you want to" lol
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<RoseBus>
if I ran ipfs init does that start me in offline mode?
<RoseBus>
or am i online now
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<RoseBus>
ipfs
<lordcirth>
RoseBus, it will be online, but will take time to bootstrap a useful number of peer connections
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<swedneck>
you have to start the daemon to go online
<lordcirth>
er, that too, yes
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<swedneck>
ipfs init is basically like git init, it just sets up the ipfs directory
<RoseBus>
ahh i see "ipfs daemon"
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<RoseBus>
i ran ipfs in my home directory but I don't see ipfs dir there
<swedneck>
and even with the daemon running, it can be configured to only be reachable on specific addresses
<swedneck>
it's in ~/.ipfs
<swedneck>
(by default)
<RoseBus>
yea there's no ~/.ipfs folder
<swedneck>
🤔
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<lordcirth>
RoseBus, what OS are you on?
<swedneck>
what OS?
<RoseBus>
ubuntu 20.04
<RoseBus>
i installed with snap
<lordcirth>
ah, snap might do something wierd, it usually does
<swedneck>
ah
<swedneck>
not sure how to say this, but uh, don't use snap
<RoseBus>
lol
<swedneck>
it kiiiiind of just sucks
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<RoseBus>
yea this is my second time kicking myself for using snap
<RoseBus>
and this is the second time i've used snap