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<JCaesar> swedneck: Isn't the entire point of medium.com to centralize content?
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<ipfsbot> Daniel Maybien @diia813 posted in IPLD - The Battle between Concurrency vs Streaming - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/ipld-the-battle-between-concurrency-vs-streaming/9756/1
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<RoseBus> hi all i haven't heard of IPFS until today when i found this channel
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<ipfsbot> Raghuram Krishnaswami @krishraghuram posted in IPFS Gateway Concurrent Requests - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/ipfs-gateway-concurrent-requests/9757/1
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<ipfsbot> Guisong Fu @Guisong-Fu posted in Does IPFS automatically download data from the other peers when daemon is started? - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/does-ipfs-automatically-download-data-from-the-other-peers-when-daemon-is-started/9758/1
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<ipfsbot> cc @cc5566 posted in How to configure number copies of file we add? - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/how-to-configure-number-copies-of-file-we-add/9759/1
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<ipfsbot> Thibault Molleman @Thibaultmol posted in What's the current status of the IPStorm botnet? - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/whats-the-current-status-of-the-ipstorm-botnet/9763/1
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<gois> Is the Matrix a sort of parallel project to the IPFS?
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<swedneck> No
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<swedneck> They're very much separate projects
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<gois> Thanks @swedneck.
<gois> Btw, that issue we were discussing before. I think is just that if some peers are not servers the network becomes decentralized, but if they all are servers too it becomes distributed.
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<swedneck> Again, decentralized just means not centralized, distributed is a specific network topology
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<gois> Roger.
<swedneck> Sounds like you want a private network or something like textile photos that builds ontop of ipfs
<gois> Is this a joke?
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<gois> Not very good with sarcasm.
<gois> But no, I am willing to implement a data driven journal portal.
<gois> I am an undergrad student in a Federal University in Brazil.
<gois> A research I am participating is to analyse the government open data.
<gois> I have seen some portals as the iodide, did you check that?
<gois> I have searched some tools to implement it.
<gois> Together with http://qri.io/
<gois> The data is currently available at https://dados.gov.br/
<gois> USA have a similar initiative https://www.data.gov/
<gois> So does the world bank: https://data.worldbank.org/
<dagguh[m]> <swedneck "Sounds like you want a private n"> Great! I'll check it out 🙂
<gois> Ah, sorry.
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<ipfsbot> diemo @diemoschwarz posted in Use Case: IPFS as local media file indexer - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/use-case-ipfs-as-local-media-file-indexer/9766/1
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<RoseBus> is TOR an implementation of IPFS?
<swedneck> <RoseBus " is TOR an implementation of IPF"> no, they have no relation
<ipfsbot> @douglasrfix posted in Anyone know offhand who the "from" identifier in a pubsub message refers to? - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/anyone-know-offhand-who-the-from-identifier-in-a-pubsub-message-refers-to/9768/1
<RoseBus> if IPFS is decentralized, is it regulated?
<lordcirth> RoseBus, not inherently regulated. But anything can be regulated by someone who controls the network and/or guns.
<lordcirth> Using IPFS *over* Tor is a goal for the future. Torifying p2p apps safely is not trivial, however.
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<swedneck> you can't control the entire network, but people who run public gateways can of course censor and modify data however they wish
<lordcirth> RoseBus, if you are looking for anonymized file sharing, Freenet does that - but IMHO it's unusable. I think getting IPFS fast and popular, then torifying it, is the better path.
<RoseBus> i'm not looking for anything in particular, I just found this channel by sorting freenodes channels but # of users
<RoseBus> and this sounds really cool and I just installed it and I'm reading the docs
<lordcirth> lol
<lordcirth> Well, welcome!
<RoseBus> ty
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<RoseBus> wow this is really exciting stuff
<lordcirth> RoseBus, yup, it is! Still lots of work to be done to get it to run fast and reliably in all sorts of edge cases, but it's pretty awesome already.
<RoseBus> can applications run over IPFS? Like a gaming server where multiple clients connect and interact with the environment?
<RoseBus> or is it just for static files?
<RoseBus> sorry there's a lot to read and i'm still on anatomy of a CID
<lordcirth> RoseBus, so basically you can make a block of data and add it to IPFS, where it gets a CID. And then others can pull that CID. To push the CID to others so they know about it, you can use pub/sub.
<lordcirth> So in principle you can make a pub/sub channel and stream arbitrary data to anyone subbed.
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<lordcirth> I wouldn't use it for real-time stuff due to latency, but you could totally run turn-based games over it.
<RoseBus> is there a significant amount of overhead from all the hashing?
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<RoseBus> ahh okay
<lordcirth> Networking is almost always the bottleneck in reality
<ipfsbot> SELWYN DMELLO @dmellos posted in IPFS Logging configuration - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/ipfs-logging-configuration/9771/1
<lordcirth> A CPU can hash faster than you can upload the data over gigabit
<RoseBus> well maybe in the future with quantum cpus and stuff the hashing wont be much of an issue
<swedneck> ipfs itself doesn't do communication, you'd use libp2p for that
<RoseBus> oh
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<swedneck> (go-ipfs just happens to include commands for using libp2p, because ipfs itself is built on libp2p)
<lordcirth> Yeah, it would probably be better to use libp2p directly, that's true
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<RoseBus> ahh nice yea I'm new to libp2p as well, but I like #ipfs i think i'll start here then work backwards
<RoseBus> i want to build my own ipfs website
<swedneck> that trivial
<swedneck> you just make a normal static website
<swedneck> that's*
<RoseBus> i gotta start somewhere ;)
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<swedneck> of course, just wanted to make sure there aren't any misconceptions :P
<swedneck> some people think you need some special stuff to make a website on ipfs
<RoseBus> well if i have a website running with django, it generates http responses dynamically
<RoseBus> the static files don't live on the server
<RoseBus> that wouldn't work with ipfs would it?
<swedneck> nope
<swedneck> you'd either just write your html/js/css directly or use a static site generator
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<RoseBus> where can i find a publicly hosted ipfs site/page
<RoseBus> just to play with the CLI
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<lordcirth> I used Hugo to make a site, it worked well. Just one option to set to make the generated links relative.
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<lordcirth> RoseBus, ipfs.io is actually mirrored as /ipns/ipfs.io/ , which resolves to /ipfs/bafybeick7tuhk6x26tzddy4jhyemxu43fiukciyp77jee3ogp6px2wt27i at the moment
<lordcirth> IPNS resolution is one of the things that needs performance improvements
<swedneck> awesome.ipfs.io is also a good resource for finding things on ipfs
<RoseBus> should i be running ipfs within a container for security purposes?
<RoseBus> i just read the security warning
<swedneck> what are you worried about happening?
<RoseBus> idk what's happening under the hood completely but if i'm interacting with other peers with some alpha software there might be potentially unknown vulnerabilities for remote-execution etc
<swedneck> certainly not impossible, i don't think i can say anything other than "do it if you want to" lol
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<RoseBus> if I ran ipfs init does that start me in offline mode?
<RoseBus> or am i online now
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<RoseBus> ipfs
<lordcirth> RoseBus, it will be online, but will take time to bootstrap a useful number of peer connections
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<swedneck> you have to start the daemon to go online
<lordcirth> er, that too, yes
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<swedneck> ipfs init is basically like git init, it just sets up the ipfs directory
<RoseBus> ahh i see "ipfs daemon"
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<RoseBus> i ran ipfs in my home directory but I don't see ipfs dir there
<swedneck> and even with the daemon running, it can be configured to only be reachable on specific addresses
<swedneck> it's in ~/.ipfs
<swedneck> (by default)
<RoseBus> yea there's no ~/.ipfs folder
<swedneck> 🤔
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<lordcirth> RoseBus, what OS are you on?
<swedneck> what OS?
<RoseBus> ubuntu 20.04
<RoseBus> i installed with snap
<lordcirth> ah, snap might do something wierd, it usually does
<swedneck> ah
<swedneck> not sure how to say this, but uh, don't use snap
<RoseBus> lol
<swedneck> it kiiiiind of just sucks
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<RoseBus> yea this is my second time kicking myself for using snap
<RoseBus> and this is the second time i've used snap
<RoseBus> lol
<swedneck> just follow the install instructions on https://docs.ipfs.io
<RoseBus> i did, it says to use snap
<swedneck> and use ipfs-update to keep it up to date
<swedneck> it does?
<RoseBus> yup
<RoseBus> just for the CLI
<RoseBus> not ipfs desktop
<swedneck> i don't see that
<swedneck> ah yes, ipfs-desktop is a different thing from go-ipfs lol
<swedneck> blergh that should probably be changed
<swedneck> lemme open an issue
<RoseBus> ok i snap removed i'll install the .deb
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<RoseBus> ok i ran the install.sh and ran ipfs init and now i have the ~/.ipfs dir
<swedneck> great
<lordcirth> is badgerds default yet? I forget
<swedneck> not as far as i'm aware
<swedneck> iirc they're waiting for some update to some part of it, so people won't have to migrate the repo twice in a row
<lordcirth> Yeah, badger2, iirc
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<RoseBus> how do i get the hash of my readme file?
<RoseBus> after initializing it said i can run ipfs cat /ipfs/hash/readme
<RoseBus> and i exited the console but now i don't know what that hash was
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<swedneck> you can get the CID of any file on your pc with `ipfs add -n <filename>`
<lordcirth> RoseBus, "ipfs pin ls -t recursive" will show the directories that are pinned
<lordcirth> RoseBus, and then "ipfs ls QmQPeNsJPyVWPFDVHb77w8G42Fvo15z4bG2X8D2GhfbSXc" shows "readme"
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<RoseBus> ty
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<RoseBus> for the daemon to work i need to forward ports on my router right?
<RoseBus> or does this work without that
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<lordcirth> RoseBus, it will work a lot better with :4001 forwarded
<lordcirth> There is some support for dealing with NAT
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